The 2016 Presidential Candidates Thread

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
I know @cybrguy all the David Dukes of this world know exactly what Trump is talking about. Trump is supplying the Koolaid and the republicans are all drinking it. Nobody is objecting to this racist talk.

If some of the republicans are just going along with all this, they are just as at fault as Trump. They can all fall down the cliff along with him. If something happens that this racist, lunatic gets into office - help us all.
 

grokit

well-worn member
All trump has had to do so far is dominate the media cycle to come out on top. Advertising dollars are damn near worthless if you're fighting a new soundbite at the top of every hour, and trump has proven to be a master at this. Hillary is going up against not just a media master, but also a master salesman that knows there is no such thing as bad publicity. There is no playbook for taking on an opponent like trump, and this is his arena. Hillary will need to be able to improvise on the fly to keep up, and that is not her strength.
 

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
Trump sees himself as a leader, not a reader
07/18/16 01:28 PM—Updated 07/18/16 01:46 PM
By Steve Benen

There’s a memorable scene in “The Simpsons Movie” from 2007 in which President Schwarzenegger is told there’s a crisis in Springfield. His aide presents him with five folders, each of which includes a different response. Schwarzenegger can’t be bothered to review any of them.

“I was elected to lead, not to read,” he said before choosing folder #3 without opening it.

Four years later, in November 2011, Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain was pressed to explain his incoherence and alarming ignorance about international affairs. Cain not knowing details isn’t important because, as he put it at the time, “We need a leader, not a reader.”

Now, life is imitating art once more. The Washington Post reported today that Trump doesn’t much care for reading, and while he has a variety of magazines on desk – each of which have Trump’s face on the cover – the Republican candidate does not have shelves of books in his office or a computer on his desk.

He said in a series of interviews that he does not need to read extensively because he reaches the right decisions “with very little knowledge other than the knowledge I [already] had, plus the words ‘common sense,’ because I have a lot of common sense and I have a lot of business ability.”

Trump said he is skeptical of experts because “they can’t see the forest for the trees.” He believes that when he makes decisions, people see that he instinctively knows the right thing to do: “A lot of people said, ‘Man, he was more accurate than guys who have studied it all the time.’”

The article added that Trump believes he “absorbs the gist of an issue very quickly,” leading him to skip past long documents. He also apparently intended to read some presidential biographies – since he’s, you know, running for president – but decided he didn’t have time.

Looking back, some presidents have had greater appetites for reading than others, and it’s not always indicative of performance in office. But Trump represents an unusual case: he has no background in government or public service; he’s not an academic; he’s never demonstrated any expertise in any area of public policy; he’s never shown any real intellectual curiosity; and on top of this, he apparently doesn’t like books or even long memos.

It’s this combination that leads to concerns about how, exactly, a President Trump would make decisions. If there’s no base of information upon which to draw conclusions, how would Trumpbe any better than the fictional, animated President Schwarzenegger, pointing at answers with no meaningful thought?

Allan Lichtman, a political historian at American University, told the Post, “We’ve had presidents who have reveled in their lack of erudition. But Trump is really something of an outlier with this idea that knowing things is almost a distraction. He doesn’t have a historical anchor, so you see his gut changing on issues from moment to moment.”

I realize there’s a strain of anti-intellectualism in the U.S., and it’s contributed to Trump’s rise in Republican politics. But I also remember taking a closer look at the last president who didn’t like to read, and the results for the country were nearly catastrophic.
 

His_Highness

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
Care needs to be taken when Drumpf's business background comes up. Many business people and non-business people view heavy handed negotiation and using the legal system to your advantage as good business practice even when it's not 'moral'. Some might even prefer a president with the ability to be ruthless in practice on behalf of the US.

Not paying your fair share of taxes, declaring bankruptcy, using litigation as a weapon and withholding payment for negotiation purposes will look smart to many. Business people know bankruptcy can be the intended fall back for taking a chance when starting a business or even 'successfully' restructuring a business.

There are a number of people who legally used the tax laws to skirt paying their fair share and some businesses that leveraged bankruptcy and corporate welfare to gain an advantage. Moral...no, legal....yes. Some might say not taking advantage of these approaches would be the real stupidity.

Another concern is when Hillary bashes him on his business history ... you can bet he's going to say 'Well, not everyone can make millions making easy money by making speeches to the businesses you are supposed to be reigning in and BTW.....those businesses have taken advantage of the same laws I did and did even worse things than me'.
 

yogoshio

Annoying Libertarian
There are a number of people who legally used the tax laws to skirt paying their fair share

Is it skirting when you use tax law to its fullest potential to minimize tax costs? Is there anyone here who doesn't go through deductions, etc. when filing taxes? I haven't met anyone who doesn't minimize their tax exposure, no matter their political affiliation.

It's issues like this that continue to push my favor-ability towards a flat tax.
 

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
No doubt having no conscience can be a competitive advantage. I suspect there are a lot fewer people out there than you think who see that as a good business model. At least for other people...
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Trump is in the media a lot but it's not all good info about him. It's just because Trump is always sounding off and most of it has a racist or a hateful tone to it.

It's like s train wreck you can't keep your eyes off it because it so horrible. That is what Trump is, a train wreck that keeps happening over and over again. People can't believe how awful this guy can be. Just because CNN is talking about him it's helping the audience to see the real Donald Trump.

At first Fox News was taking Trump apart. They didn't like how Trump was treating them. Now they are with the other spineless republicans that won't stand up to Trump because they don't have anybody else to have as an alternative.

The republicans own the Republican Party and they have allowed a racist bafoon to take it over. I hope there is enough of the republicans that will vote for a third party candidate.

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He might need to show everybody that he doesn't have s small penis to match his small hands.:lol:
 
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cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
The train wreck mentality is why he gets all the free press he does. The networks know how much people like to watch train wrecks and other disasters. As soon as they stop pointing at him and looking he says something else to get their attention. And because he is completely without shame it is SIMPLE to draw that attention back.

It would be no surprise to anyone to see him drop his pants and adjust himself at the podium. He is that shameless...
 

Amoreena

Grown up Flower Child

The Rude Pundit

Proudly lowering the level of political discourse

7/18/2016

Trump Voters Own This Awfulness and They Should Be Ashamed of Themselves

"... when the candidate of one of the two major parties says that it's fine that his running mate was wrong when he voted for the Iraq War, but that Hillary Clinton is not entitled to make a mistake, you're dealing with someone for whom reality is whatever he wants it to be. You're dealing with someone who will say what he needs to close a deal, true or not. And that shit is fucking dangerous.

Between the interview and the press conference to introduce Pence, which was really just about watching Trump suck his own dick for 28 minutes before blowing his load all over the Indiana governor and walking off stage to rinse out his mouth, it's not just that Trump is uniquely unqualified to be president. It's that he's uniquely unqualified to speak in public. ..."
 
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cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
Will the people of Arizona please do us all a solid and finally take this asshole off the world stage? Other than loving and cheering for every war and military conflict ANYWHERE in the world, McCain has been completely unable to maintain a single position ON ANYTING for more than 15 minutes, for years. Come ON, AZ, have you no one else? I mean, really...


John McCain blames U.S. for international violence (again)

07/18/16 03:36 PM
By Steve Benen

Last week, a mentally unstable Tunisian man took a refrigerator truck down a beachfront street in Nice, France, killing 84 innocent people, including many children, and wounding 200 others. It was a horrific, gut-wrenching scene, though French investigators said today no links have emerged tying the killer to terrorist networks.

But as BuzzFeed reports, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) wants people to hold President Obama responsible for the actions of the madman.

Arizona Sen. John McCain says President Obama “allowed” the Bastille Day attack in Nice that left at least 84 people dead to happen, blaming his policies towards ISIS for failing “America and the world.”

“As far as the tragedy in France is concerned, obviously this is an act of mayhem and despicable,” the Arizona senator told KTAR’s 92.3FM’s Bruce St. James and Pamela Hughes on Friday. “I also have to tell you – our prayers are with the families, obviously, and the French people – but I also have to tell you, that as long as we have a leadership in this country – the president of the United States – who allowed this to happen, his policies are directly responsible for ISIS and ISIS is responsible for these attacks.”

McCain, who cheered when Obama withdrew U.S. troops from Iraq – as part of an agreement the Bush/Cheney administration reached with Iraq – went on to whine about the president’s decision “to pull everybody out of Iraq.”

Overlooking the thousands of airstrikes Obama has ordered on ISIS targets, and ISIS’s shrinking territory, McCain added that the president has no “willingness to attack this evil.”

McCain, who’s been almost hilariously wrong about nearly every major national security challenge in recent decades, also took this opportunity to also boast, “I predicted everything that has happened.”

I realize that ISIS eventually claimed credit for the bloodshed in Nice, and the terrorists would love it if everyone agreed to play along with their propaganda agenda, but there’s no reason for McCain to endorse ISIS’s rhetoric. The evidence connecting ISIS to last week’s attack does not yet exist, so the senator’s assessment is based on nothing but his own desire to blame the United States for the mass murders.

Which unfortunately keeps happening. As we recently discussed, just days after the massacre in Orlando, McCain insisted that President Obama was “directly responsible” for the deadliest mass-shooting in national history. The senator later walked that back, but only a little – clarifying that America’s foreign policy, not America’s president, should be blamed for the murders.

Soon after, McCain told a Pakistani news organization that the world should blame the United States for violence in Afghanistan.

It’s part of an unnerving pattern. Two years ago, when Ukrainian separatists shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, killing 298 people, McCain declared – literally the next day – that President Obama’s “cowardly administration” bore responsibility for the attack.

Circling back to our previous coverage, as a substantive matter, McCain’s sincere belief that perpetual wars prevent violence is a misguided approach to foreign policy and national security. But in this case, there’s a rhetorical angle that matters nearly as much: the Republican senator is letting his contempt for President Obama get the better of him, to the point that McCain, without regard for reason or consequence, keeps blaming the United States for evil acts around the globe.

As regular readers may recall, in 1984, during the Republican National Convention, Jeane Kirkpatrick delivered a speech that included a catchphrase she repeated five times: “They always blame America first.” Referring specifically to Democrats and the left, she went on to condemn the “blame-America-first crowd.”

It was an ugly line of attack, but it caught on and became a favorite of the right, which still uses the line from time to time.

There’s no point in casually throwing around such obnoxious attacks on other Americans’ patriotism, and it certainly shouldn’t be directed at people like John McCain, who served their country heroically and sacrificed so much.

The senator and his colleagues should pause, however, to appreciate that the more they instinctively blame the United States for every international crisis, the more they open the door to the toxic criticism they once reserved for their rivals.
 

neverforget711

Well-Known Member
Care needs to be taken when Drumpf's business background comes up. Many business people and non-business people view heavy handed negotiation and using the legal system to your advantage as good business practice even when it's not 'moral'. Some might even prefer a president with the ability to be ruthless in practice on behalf of the US.

Not paying your fair share of taxes, declaring bankruptcy, using litigation as a weapon and withholding payment for negotiation purposes will look smart to many. Business people know bankruptcy can be the intended fall back for taking a chance when starting a business or even 'successfully' restructuring a business.

There are a number of people who legally used the tax laws to skirt paying their fair share and some businesses that leveraged bankruptcy and corporate welfare to gain an advantage. Moral...no, legal....yes. Some might say not taking advantage of these approaches would be the real stupidity.

Another concern is when Hillary bashes him on his business history ... you can bet he's going to say 'Well, not everyone can make millions making easy money by making speeches to the businesses you are supposed to be reigning in and BTW.....those businesses have taken advantage of the same laws I did and did even worse things than me'.

The whole "when corporations are people, you need a person that's a corporation" is actually not that bad of a pitch. Remaining privately-held feeds into this image rather nicely.
 
neverforget711,

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
So, who should know Trump best? How bout the ghost author of his most famous book?

"If you’re like me, by now you might feel like you know everything you ever cared to know about Donald Trump. But his ghostwriter for the book “The Art of the Deal,” Tony Schwartz, shared some interesting insights with Jane Mayer.

Schwartz thought that “The Art of the Deal” would be an easy project….For research, he planned to interview Trump on a series of Saturday mornings…. But the discussion was soon hobbled by what Schwartz regards as one of Trump’s most essential characteristics: “He has no attention span.”

….“Trump has been written about a thousand ways from Sunday, but this fundamental aspect of who he is doesn’t seem to be fully understood,” Schwartz told me. “It’s implicit in a lot of what people write, but it’s never explicit—or, at least, I haven’t seen it.1 And that is that it’s impossible to keep him focussed on any topic, other than his own self-aggrandizement, for more than a few minutes, and even then . . . ” Schwartz trailed off, shaking his head in amazement…

This year, Schwartz has heard some argue that there must be a more thoughtful and nuanced version of Donald Trump that he is keeping in reserve for after the campaign. “There isn’t,” Schwartz insists. “There is no private Trump.”…

“Lying is second nature to him,” Schwartz said. “More than anyone else I have ever met, Trump has the ability to convince himself that whatever he is saying at any given moment is true, or sort of true, or at least ought to be true.”​

We all know that there are people like Trump in the world. What is noteworthy is that around 40% of voters think a guy like that is fit to be president. That’s mind-blowing!"
 

lwien

Well-Known Member
Next up.........Antoinio Sabato Jr.............Soap opera star...........WTF?!? :shrug:

What's also funny about all this is all this week, Trump was saying that he had sooooo many people wanting to speak at his convention, that he had to turn people away. I wonder who THEY were.......:uhoh:??
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
I was hoping that they could find Phil Robertson to interview. The Robertson family probably made him stay home.
What about the mom (Patricia Smith) of Shawn Smith. I felt sorry for her but she wasn't ready to speak in front of a large group. She can't blame one person for the death of her son. I understand, I'm a mom. She's an angry mom and has every right to be.

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I agree with you @lwien . It felt like they were exploiting this mom's grief and heartache. We shouldn't have had to see that. Did you see how they had to escort her out to the stage? She wasn't that old.

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grokit

well-worn member
I still can't get over the fact that drumpf chose pence. Even if he manages to stay alive, he can't attack hillary on her iraq war vote or the tpp anymore. And if drumpf dies in office, we have a theocracy.

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Snappo

Caveat Emptor - "A Billion People Can Be Wrong!"
Accessory Maker
I still can't get over the fact that drumpf chose pence. Even if he manages to stay alive, he can't attack hillary on her iraq war vote or the tpp anymore. And if drumpf dies in office, we have a theocracy.
Even though an all frontal adolescent attack is typically Drumph's modus aperandi, his moronic brand doesn't even need to address Hillary's Iraq & TPP deep pockets faux pas at this point... it's not his fault that so many of our American public swallow his puke in gluttonous gourmet fashion at the human cattle trough. No one has my vote. Boooo, not moooh.
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Rudy Giuliani at times was a little scary. He was very dramatic in his speech, almost over the top.

I understand that Trump has a place for Giuliani in his cabinet. I'm sure he's excited about that. It's something to do with Muslim extremist terrorism. He's so proud when people call him America's Mayor.

It's blaming Hillary for Benghazi night.

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Trump comes out in the haze through the clouds (dry ice) song being played We Are The Champions. To introduce the next First Lady. Then he was gone.:mental:

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Maybe Donald Trump's kids needs to enroll in the military? Like hell that family is so dedicated to this country. Maybe to scam money off of hard working people.
 
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