Yes as close to the center as possible, it will probably take a couple presses of the button before it is melted into the center and then ready to start seriously hitting. you can press the button with the top half off to get a sense for how it goes!
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OF
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And you're not alone, and it seems the future will have 'everyone else' joining you? I did a bunch of reading on the politics of e-cigs along with the patent stuff around the suit against Joytech USA over the TC idea.
It seems one of the major objections ('health threats') of e-cigs is the nasty stuff you get from "dry wicks". Not only does this damage the wicks and taste bad but it's loaded up with the very sorts of nasty chemicals folks were trying to avoid. They (Mods without TC) have been (IMO successfully) branded as 'unsafe'. I think it's a matter of time before this becomes a required feature (you know how Congress Critters love to 'solve problems (real or not) by passing laws that don't impact them personally). The pressure to 'do something' can only be resisted so long. This will probably mean mandatory TC for all new mods sold in the US. It the patent on 'TC by sensing resistance change with heat' holds up (and it could.......against all logic) this would mean the guys that want to sell you RX200S mods at forty bucks a copy will be forced to sell you the original Evolv version for five of ten times that. And Joytech USA will not be allowed to sell cheaper units. No more Picoes, Minis, Cuboids or the rest.......unless someone pays a fat fee to Evolv and""passes those costs along to the consumer at the pumps". Even though this is not the gasoline industry (where the quote comes from) here, few of us will have trouble figuring out what the pumping is all about and who's doing it when our choices go way down and prices go way up. And lawyers will make more money on both sides........
Yep. I'd suggest you start with `1/50 to 1/20 of a gram', that is .020 to .050 grams. A tiny bit, really. You want to (partially) fill the area under the doughnut. None left 'on top'. Once it gets into the vents in the side wall (and over the edge and down inside) it's lost. That concentrate will end up leaking out the bottom vents (above the threads) and fouling things up and making a big old mess.
"Load small and often" is the key to getting going I think.
You can judge the load by watching 'how many cycles' it takes to reach temperature. A dry atty on TC of the sort we've been discussing takes maybe 4 o5 'updates' (jumps in displayed temperature) to get there, one with more of a load take longer (since it must heat and in some cases melt the load as well). Otherwise, when you think it's slacking off, check the surface of the bowl under the doughnut through the hole, if it looks dry try a bit more?
Remember, there is no wick or other structure to serve as a reservoir. You have to replace your divots as they say in golf, 'load as you go'. Enough for a few normal hits or a single heroic one? More creates splatter and leaks.....expensive and kind of a drag, really.
Play with it, you'll sort it out. Just don't run it too hot (say under 12 Watts as a safeguard).
I'm no longer convinced that it has to be in the center, as long as it stays away from the vents in the walls (4 in the deep one, only the two round ones in the shallow). Stuff on top of the doughnut or even on the sidewalls that avoids the vents on the way down ends up under the doughnut if you haven't overloaded. I still aim for the bullseye but don't panic if I miss.
BTW to load stuff 'too thin to ball up' I pick up a small drop on a needle and heat the shank just behind it with my lighter. The steel warms and the goods slide right off onto the target.
Regards and best wishes for a fine weekend to all.
OF
KeroZen
Chronic vapaholic
@OF : I didn't follow in details but last time I checked, all well known e-cig review channels on youtube were ranting about the new FDA proposal and the fact that all e-cig produced after 2007 would be basically banned. Vendors would then have to acquire a very costly license (I heard someone quoting a figure around 1M USD!?) and all small players (incl. custom mods and RDA makers) would go out of business.
So they implied that you would have to fall back in time and the only stuff available would be the very early stick-sized e-cigs, maybe with VV mode AT MOST, but that clearly all new recent developments would be lost. Someone more knowledgable will have to chime in, but I'm under the impression we won't see TC everywhere like you said...
EDIT1 for reference:
EDIT2: I got a friend owning an online e-cig shop in my country and he told me similar regulations will be implemented and they will ban all VV/VW devices here, and in Germany they will ban any e-liquid containing nicotine....
EDIT3: ...and if you wondered, yes this is the result of Big Tobacco intensive lobbying because they completely missed the e-cig train and it hurts their revenue badly
So they implied that you would have to fall back in time and the only stuff available would be the very early stick-sized e-cigs, maybe with VV mode AT MOST, but that clearly all new recent developments would be lost. Someone more knowledgable will have to chime in, but I'm under the impression we won't see TC everywhere like you said...
EDIT1 for reference:
EDIT2: I got a friend owning an online e-cig shop in my country and he told me similar regulations will be implemented and they will ban all VV/VW devices here, and in Germany they will ban any e-liquid containing nicotine....
EDIT3: ...and if you wondered, yes this is the result of Big Tobacco intensive lobbying because they completely missed the e-cig train and it hurts their revenue badly
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kaisersosay415
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thanks for the great responses. What temp and watts ate you set at.....my mid can change wattage while in temp mode
OF
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I've been loading fairly decent size globs that definitely melt down the sides as well as the middle. I would pack it with a much larger size glob that what is necessary to make it work and hit it about 30 times before i would open it and it would look fully dry except for some mess on the walls and splatter prevention parts of the mouthpiece... so i clean those when not using.
Am I gonna have a bunch of oil leak out from the bottom one day?
Am I gonna have a bunch of oil leak out from the bottom one day?
Well, I found out what @OF meant!
I took off my 2.7 for... well, probably since the first day I started using it.... and there was a giant golden pool of oil connecting the atomizer and battery! Like, almost to the point where I'm surprised it wasn't running down the side of the battery
Much cleaning will be needed indeed
That explains the slight variance in resistance in the last couple days.... hehe
Maybe I am thinking i better get that Sayonara if I want to do load sizes as big as i have been.
I took off my 2.7 for... well, probably since the first day I started using it.... and there was a giant golden pool of oil connecting the atomizer and battery! Like, almost to the point where I'm surprised it wasn't running down the side of the battery
Much cleaning will be needed indeed
That explains the slight variance in resistance in the last couple days.... hehe
Maybe I am thinking i better get that Sayonara if I want to do load sizes as big as i have been.
OF
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I took off my 2.7 for... well, probably since the first day I started using it.... and there was a giant golden pool of oil connecting the atomizer and battery! Like, almost to the point where I'm surprised it wasn't running down the side of the battery
Much cleaning will be needed indeed
Maybe I am thinking i better get that Sayonara if I want to do load sizes as big as i have been.
With ya there, sounds to me like 'yer gonna need more rifle for that job'. If you peek inside you can see why that is:
Once the oil gets through the vents and drops down (to the right in the photo) there's no way back. It's going to eventually follow the leads for the heater (you can see one) down into the lower chamber, inside the rubber bushing where the first cement line seals it to the wall. The air comes in just above that cement line. From there the only way out is through the bitty holes just above the threads. In this one that area (inside the rubber) was flooded so even though I'd been careful with the loads for sometime it still leaked every time it got hot.
I managed to recover and make good use of much of that which removed some of the sting from an otherwise expensive and messy lesson.
Be advised you can only use this recovery technique once per atty.
OF
insideoutman
yo-coco-canna-nut-gurt
hold her flat too 
I had to split the work between yesterday and today, when I started firing to clean the DT for the first time (follow the rules guys!) I couldn't even count how many times tons and tons of oil would leak out of the bottom for a while after disconnecting the battery from. After some more cleaning & burning off nasty smelling reclaim, it finally seems to be at a point where it's pretty dry, at least I can get the DT really dang hot and leave it to cool and nothing seems to leak out anymore.
I'm definitely never doing that again! from here on out i will follow the rules and pack small loads and clean way more often than i have been (which was never - i was packing several dabs at a time and leaving them all to melt and never cleaning it )
I need to now find out how to clean the very bottom threads of my eleaf 40w so it doesnt make that gross sludgey sound of leftover oil being caught in the threading, hahaha.
I'm definitely never doing that again! from here on out i will follow the rules and pack small loads and clean way more often than i have been (which was never - i was packing several dabs at a time and leaving them all to melt and never cleaning it )
I need to now find out how to clean the very bottom threads of my eleaf 40w so it doesnt make that gross sludgey sound of leftover oil being caught in the threading, hahaha.
kaisersosay415
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You can take a qtip and swab the threads with iso....
I did but you know how on the eleaf there is the center pin for the battery and then some space that goes down? I can't get in there with a qtip.
waxdab23
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Ya, I like to use these G-tips for all the hard to reach places like the one you describe: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B008ITZ4A6/ref=yo_ii_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1
fernand
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Well, let's look at what we're vaping here. All of the stuff has at least 50% THC. But what is a dose of THC? From 10mg for mere mortals to 50mg for semi-hardcores with a tolerance. Most people are quite quite done inhaling 20 mg of THC. That would be maybe twice that weight, or 40mg, of oil/shatter/wax. Rather less than more, as most oils contain more than 50%, and we have all the terpenes and other goodies.
OK, so 30-40mg of concentrate. What is 30-40 mg of concentrate? 1/30 to 1/25 of a gram. Less than a BB's worth.
That's assuming you don't overheat and decompose part of it. Of course when people were smoking, most of the active ingredients went up in smoke. And nails had hot spots.
So you see that with a proper Temperature Regulated atomizer the idea of the pinhead, loading lightly and often, is pharmacologically sound. If there are gobs of resin pouring down into the device, you're wasting incredible amounts of it. That's like the kid whose parents scolded him for wasting food, and he offered to put it in an envelope and send it to India. So put that drippy donut rig in an envelope and send it to me!
OK, so 30-40mg of concentrate. What is 30-40 mg of concentrate? 1/30 to 1/25 of a gram. Less than a BB's worth.
That's assuming you don't overheat and decompose part of it. Of course when people were smoking, most of the active ingredients went up in smoke. And nails had hot spots.
So you see that with a proper Temperature Regulated atomizer the idea of the pinhead, loading lightly and often, is pharmacologically sound. If there are gobs of resin pouring down into the device, you're wasting incredible amounts of it. That's like the kid whose parents scolded him for wasting food, and he offered to put it in an envelope and send it to India. So put that drippy donut rig in an envelope and send it to me!
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StickyShisha2
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on this donut, i have been using TC and only TC, since its last cleaning.
now i go to clean it and it seems the residue isn't as burned on as usual.
after gathering and removing the thick black remnants with a toothpick, I don't think i need to do a proper cleaning yet.
now i go to clean it and it seems the residue isn't as burned on as usual.
after gathering and removing the thick black remnants with a toothpick, I don't think i need to do a proper cleaning yet.
OF
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Yep, Lady, I think you broke the code. Not 'burning the oil' makes cleanup easy, just like a kitchen pan. Same deal, really?
TC has some very useful advantages to us, no two ways about it. Just be careful not to move the doughnut around much, it 'floats' on the leads, it's easy to kill the doughnut with kindness.
Thanks.
OF
Volteric
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I am at 12.5 w/360 degrees
Volteric
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Very, very helpful way of seeing it. I just used the atty needing something like an all day arrangement. I put a larger than center amount and while it worked I can see there's a good amount in the outer rim probably wasting some or a lot of it. You really have to accommodate your thinking to where this atty shines. You can't make it be something it's not.
Couple questions....
DT 2.7 and arizer solo, what a combo!
- Is the recommended bubbler attachment sold on i need hemp.com?
- Is there any way to easily use a 14mm hydra tube with the DT 2.7?
- Do you need to be able to replace the coils on the sayonar to use it? I am probably too hesitant to use the sayonara until i have some sort of water filtration figured out, i do not want to take dry rips from the metal coil...
DT 2.7 and arizer solo, what a combo!
fernand
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@DrNick420 I think everyone is improvising on the bubblers. If you're like most vapers, you have boxes full of crap, I mean spare parts, that can be cobbled together into an adapter. Pieces of rubber and silicon tubing are especially useful. For all the distance the vapor will travel through the adapter, personally I wouldn't flinch at any piece of tubing, if you know what I mean. Of course there are all sorts of latex, polythis and silicone that you can safely use, so you can probably manage.
I don't have the Saionara, but clearly you can use the device as-is, without changing coils. And since there's a Nickel head, you should be able to run that in TC mode, which would hugely prolong the life of the coil. I'm not a huge fan of Nickel and prefer other TC metals, but in any case this whole TC thing is a total game changer in how long atomizers last.
You should ask Matt if the coils are easily rebuilt, and what replacements he offers. Some Ti + SS claptons would be interesting. I'm not sure this is the most convenient platform for winding your own coils. Standard RDAs give better access, but I guess the advantage here is the fact that the coil sits in a cup.
There are cheap ready-made coils-in-a-cup heads that have been used in "globe pen rigs" for years, and some by now must be TC capable. But the fact that the DT ceramic donut atomizer has all this following suggests that it's a superior design.
I don't have the Saionara, but clearly you can use the device as-is, without changing coils. And since there's a Nickel head, you should be able to run that in TC mode, which would hugely prolong the life of the coil. I'm not a huge fan of Nickel and prefer other TC metals, but in any case this whole TC thing is a total game changer in how long atomizers last.
You should ask Matt if the coils are easily rebuilt, and what replacements he offers. Some Ti + SS claptons would be interesting. I'm not sure this is the most convenient platform for winding your own coils. Standard RDAs give better access, but I guess the advantage here is the fact that the coil sits in a cup.
There are cheap ready-made coils-in-a-cup heads that have been used in "globe pen rigs" for years, and some by now must be TC capable. But the fact that the DT ceramic donut atomizer has all this following suggests that it's a superior design.
Thanks for the really well written answer bro.
I think until I get a water atty set up (I have plenty of misc vape crap haha) I will hold off on the sayonara.
For now i'll probably get a shallow bowl 2.7 and run that on TC and see if I don't kill it with overwatting, if so i'll keep using my deep 2.7 on 12w
I think until I get a water atty set up (I have plenty of misc vape crap haha) I will hold off on the sayonara.
For now i'll probably get a shallow bowl 2.7 and run that on TC and see if I don't kill it with overwatting, if so i'll keep using my deep 2.7 on 12w
tharealmclovin
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Looking to purchase a Cuboid so I don't run out of power. Is there another mod I should check out before I order? Where's the best place to purchase Joytech?
Not sure if you have a reason to go for something other than the eleaf tc40... there are probably better/fancier mods out there but for $50 for that battery and a DT 2.7 bundle it's really hard to beat.
Were you looking at the cuboid to replace the battery in it? The tc40w gets killer battery life (several days including cleaning burnoffs for me) but i hear you if you want/ need more battery power or the replacable cells. I was going to avoid the tc40w for that reason but decided to get it being the recommended battery unit by DT. have'nt been let down.
Vape Donkey 650
All vape, no smoke please.
Dr Nick why are you so scared to run in temp control? 
I'm sorry it appears you have fell victim to OF's scare campaign about going over 12w. The istick 40w TC is intended to operate in TC mode with the DT donut....this is lifted directly from ineedhemp.com
Don't listen to OF, it's perfectly fine to run in TC @ 40w with the istick. Is it subpar? Yes. Is it an obsolete design? Yes.
Is it vastly better than vaping at VW? YESSSS!!!
I sold all my isticks long ago, but if that was the only mod I had available to me, I would certainly use it on TC-Ni mode, not any fixed wattage.
I have 3 friends who are running isticks on TC-Ni, and they have been using the same donut for over a year and it works just fine still! They horribly abuse their atomizers; grossly overfill, never clean, hit it while holding sideways, they back-blow into the atomizer (like a joint) making vape come out the side air holes
But no busted donuts! One old friend of mine even dropped his istick + DT 2.5 in his hot tub (lucky no one got shocked) and then later took it out of the water, let it fully dry out, recharge, and it still worked! ON TC MODE!!!!
Has any single person in the history of isticks and divine tribe donuts EVER broken a donut while running on TC? Probably? Should that deter you from using a $15 dollar atomizer in the way it is intended and performs optimally for fear of breaking it? Maybe so....
I'm sorry, but I don't see anything that a regular 1 cent q-tip / cotton swab with the cotton ball pulled out a little and puffed and rolled into a little pin can't do, that those fancy 10 cent / each q-tips can.
That is how i reach the floor of the ceramic cup underneath the hole in the donut when cleaning.
You can get these at your local store. You can shape the cotton with your fingers.
Don't listen to nick, the cuboid is a fine choice, far superior to the istick 40w. If someone wants an obscene amount of battery charge, or maybe also vapes with a sub-ohm tank for juice and switches back and forth with the ceramic donut, the cuboid is a great choice for that. (better than istick 100w TC IMO)
Don't overlook the cuboid mini, if massive battery life and removeable cells is not that important to you.
And I'm sorry to say, it would be an overstatement to say Matt "recommends" the istick 40w. He prefers to sell it to novice customers because it is the most reliable and moron-proof TC mod on the market still, arguably. It needs the least setup out of the box, (you can set it on TC properly with 2 buttons presses out of the box) and you can't put the battery in backwards, because it is non-removable and internal. This allows him to sell these with the least of hassles and least warranty replacements.
But it is a brutal, mediocre, dated design that does not properly represent the best temp control has to offer. Matt has solicited the opinion of customers on this forum for a better "idiot-proof" TC mod to replace the istick 40w, but there isn't one out yet. The best ones still require us to click buttons a few times to set them up....
Mod note: Telling others to 'not listen' to members invites further debate and disruption of the thread. As our rules state, " Do not post any content that harasses, insults, belittles, threatens or flames another member."
I'm sorry it appears you have fell victim to OF's scare campaign about going over 12w. The istick 40w TC is intended to operate in TC mode with the DT donut....this is lifted directly from ineedhemp.comDon't listen to OF, it's perfectly fine to run in TC @ 40w with the istick. Is it subpar? Yes. Is it an obsolete design? Yes.
Is it vastly better than vaping at VW? YESSSS!!!
I sold all my isticks long ago, but if that was the only mod I had available to me, I would certainly use it on TC-Ni mode, not any fixed wattage.
I have 3 friends who are running isticks on TC-Ni, and they have been using the same donut for over a year and it works just fine still! They horribly abuse their atomizers; grossly overfill, never clean, hit it while holding sideways, they back-blow into the atomizer (like a joint) making vape come out the side air holes
But no busted donuts! One old friend of mine even dropped his istick + DT 2.5 in his hot tub (lucky no one got shocked) and then later took it out of the water, let it fully dry out, recharge, and it still worked! ON TC MODE!!!!
Has any single person in the history of isticks and divine tribe donuts EVER broken a donut while running on TC? Probably? Should that deter you from using a $15 dollar atomizer in the way it is intended and performs optimally for fear of breaking it?
Maybe so....I'm sorry, but I don't see anything that a regular 1 cent q-tip / cotton swab with the cotton ball pulled out a little and puffed and rolled into a little pin can't do, that those fancy 10 cent / each q-tips can.
That is how i reach the floor of the ceramic cup underneath the hole in the donut when cleaning.
You can get these at your local store. You can shape the cotton with your fingers.
Don't listen to nick, the cuboid is a fine choice, far superior to the istick 40w. If someone wants an obscene amount of battery charge, or maybe also vapes with a sub-ohm tank for juice and switches back and forth with the ceramic donut, the cuboid is a great choice for that. (better than istick 100w TC IMO)
Don't overlook the cuboid mini, if massive battery life and removeable cells is not that important to you.
And I'm sorry to say, it would be an overstatement to say Matt "recommends" the istick 40w. He prefers to sell it to novice customers because it is the most reliable and moron-proof TC mod on the market still, arguably. It needs the least setup out of the box, (you can set it on TC properly with 2 buttons presses out of the box) and you can't put the battery in backwards, because it is non-removable and internal. This allows him to sell these with the least of hassles and least warranty replacements.
But it is a brutal, mediocre, dated design that does not properly represent the best temp control has to offer. Matt has solicited the opinion of customers on this forum for a better "idiot-proof" TC mod to replace the istick 40w, but there isn't one out yet. The best ones still require us to click buttons a few times to set them up....
Mod note: Telling others to 'not listen' to members invites further debate and disruption of the thread. As our rules state, " Do not post any content that harasses, insults, belittles, threatens or flames another member."
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fernand
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@tharealmclovin FWIW if you're mainly interested in vaping concentrates you don't need a high powered rig because the whole idea is to vaporize a little at a time at a controlled temperature, and not decompose the cannabinoids. If you rather mean you want not to run out of battery, that doesn't take a big rig either. BUT there is nothing wrong with the Cuboid, it's like a fatter eVic VTC, just more expensive.
The only people who NEED huge dual/triple battery rigs are people who are vaping e-juice on milliohm atomizers that you could fry a T-Bone steak on.
Concentrate vapers have moved away from the cloud-chaser fetiche, finding it just as effective and a LOT more economical to smart distill da erl right into our brainz, and not to waste cannabinoids to lay down tactical smoke with.
Most of us here have several different mod types, but the most popular is the Joyetech evic VTC mini because:
There are others with a roughly similar feature set, including the cute eLeaf PICO.
Hey, I just updated my PICO to version 1.01 and it was easy on my hackintosh. It just reset all my settings.
BUT ALL TempControl (TC) mods are far better than wattage-only mods, or running a modern TC mod in wattage mode.
The only people who NEED huge dual/triple battery rigs are people who are vaping e-juice on milliohm atomizers that you could fry a T-Bone steak on.
Concentrate vapers have moved away from the cloud-chaser fetiche, finding it just as effective and a LOT more economical to smart distill da erl right into our brainz, and not to waste cannabinoids to lay down tactical smoke with.
Most of us here have several different mod types, but the most popular is the Joyetech evic VTC mini because:
- The single 18650 replaceable battery can be charged in or out of the mod,
- the 75 watts is more than ample,
- the firmware keeps getting updates (3.03 now),
- in Temp Control mode it handles coils up to 1.5 ohms,
- it has curves for Ti, Ni, Stainless Steel and 3 custom memories (Ceramic DT ~ 220)
- it displays the changing resistance as temp rises,
- the device works reliably, it's compact and attractive, and
- it allows setting a wattage limit in TC mode (Ceramic DT ~ 12.0 W)
There are others with a roughly similar feature set, including the cute eLeaf PICO.
Hey, I just updated my PICO to version 1.01 and it was easy on my hackintosh. It just reset all my settings.
BUT ALL TempControl (TC) mods are far better than wattage-only mods, or running a modern TC mod in wattage mode.
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