The Magic-Flight PICO: an idea that is NOT a vaporizer

His_Highness

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
Do you think so? I'm not at all sure. Most I think abandon ABV at their personal point of diminishing returns? There's very little 'goodness' left and most of what is is 'heavy stuff' not THC. More 'couch lock'? I think almost all the useful THC is exhausted long ago, there's just nothing left to get by combustion except stuff you don't really want/need?

Combustion is vaporizing, at least in part. It just foolishly uses THC as a fuel to make the heat.......

Time will tell, but I suggest true Vaporists will give the sign of the Cross to any tool of the devil aimed at combustion. Where is Ataxian when we need a leader?

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I absolutely agree that most true vaporists will avoid the Pico.

I do believe that a unit that can vaporize at the start of a one hit and then combust the remainder of the CBDs once vaporization has done its job would appeal to those who are looking to squeeze every last drop out of their herb. The price and the aforementioned description would have caught my eye when I was just starting out trying to stretch my budget and didn't know or care how much healthier pure vaporization was.

Much of what I've read on FC implies that vaporization releases more and different levels of the chems and that ABV can then be used for other purposes .... suggesting there is more left .... albeit not a lot. As some have suggested maybe this is MF's way of introducing themselves to folks who are just looking to save money on herb. The beginner vaporist. Introduce them to the taste and the extra high and then they'll get VAS?

Scientifically I can't prove that vaporizing what you can and then automatically com-busting the remains would increase what gets folks high but it does make sense. After all...there are still plenty of uninitiated who view the mental 'duh stage' and couch lock as the ultimate destination.

Would I buy a Pico knowing what I know now?.....nope.
 

MoltenTiger

Well-Known Member
I've combusted in my MFLB maybe 3 times.
Each and every time it was awful.
There is no way I'd pay for that experience!
I've paid a lot to avoid it.

My Grasshopper's temp sensor died a while ago, and this turned the GH into a digital one hitter.
It definitely gets you high...
But so does smoking a bowl, and so does properly vaporising.
You pay for the distinction, and this little device doesn't offer it at all.

The Pico could be amazing with DMT though
 

momofthegoons

vapor accessory addict
Will the Pico get its own thread? A one-hitter device from MF that deliberately combusts makes no sense.
Not on this forum. We are called Fuck Combustion for a reason. We promote vaporization. Consider this the thread.

A combustion device seems out of place on a Forum with this name.
Exactly.
 

syrupy

Authorized Buyer
That product makes no sense, even from a combustion standpoint. The battery is about the size of a small lighter, but surely will give far few hits. It's as if they went from 'fuck combustion' to 'fuck lighters'.

Combuster 1: "Dude, I got some kind. Want to roast a quick bowl?"
Combuster 2:"Sorry, the battery on my one hitter is dead."
 
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MoltenTiger

Well-Known Member
I read the MFLB was all about the glyph on the back, a way to expose the creators philosophy or some shit.

What does the Pico say?
"Fuck butane, but also your lungs and sense of smell!"

I don't think it's a useless product, but I certainly don't want a benzene machine, and the only people that do, don't understand that.

I'm frustrated that before I started smoking heavily, vaporising was a viable option, but it was relatively unheard of and seemingly unfeasible.
Now that all this "medical marijuana" smell is in the air, it seems pretty silly that it's still mostly set on fire.

MFLB were in a position to unleash a successful device, hopefully they are still working on it.
 

herbivore21

Well-Known Member
Scientifically I can't prove that vaporizing what you can and then automatically com-busting the remains would increase what gets folks high but it does make sense. After all...there are still plenty of uninitiated who view the mental 'duh stage' and couch lock as the ultimate destination.

Would I buy a Pico knowing what I know now?.....nope.
You actually may have identified some genuine credibility to the idea of this new MF 'vapsmoking' device.

If only VapewithFIYA was still here to appreciate his predictions of vapsmoking coming true! lol

We have had a study or two on the transfer efficiency of THC posted around these parts in the last 6 months or so. These explained that when vaping, we get very high percentages of the active components out of our material. However, there is a small amount left in there, which we all know and love about ABV.

When you just straight out burn your herb without any vaporization first, one of these abovementioned studies has shown that you're not getting all of your THC, a lot of it is destroyed by the combustion. Of course, we all know that this loss of actives through combustion will be more relevant for lower boiling actives like the various terps!

If a device were to vape away most of the goods as any conventional vape does, and then combust the remainder - this could be much much more efficient (in terms of net active compounds taken into the body, not in terms of how long it takes to hit a bowl of course!) than traditional smoking.

For smokers who want to have more relaxing, longer sessions with more net active compounds taken into the body from much less material - this will probably be a sweet product.

For vaporists like you and I of course, let's hope that MF have a vape-only product in store next!
 

PKS

Member
I'm hoping the PICO isn't too difficult to not get the herbs to combust.

My thoughts exactly, I"m new to vaporizing, but I've taught breathe control for over 40 years, (Martial arts). I love a good challenge and I hate the taste of butane...

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Farid

Well-Known Member
Herbivore21 brings up a good point about efficiancy. I still think that the MF model of wooden airpath is horrible for a combustion device. I have enough trouble keeping my LB clean, but imagining trying to clean combustion res from a wooden device is horrible. IF this was a glass piece it might have a place for some people. I know there was a time when I smoked that a glass version of this would have appealed to me.
 

crawdad

floatin
the back of their box says that love enables choice, they loved so much it combusted..so, vape or combust = love. i get it, but wont get it, but someone will.
 

hippogriff

Well-Known Member
My thoughts exactly, I"m new to vaporizing, but I've taught breathe control for over 40 years, (Martial arts). I love a good challenge and I hate the taste of butane...

This - I mean, the marketing seems pretty specific so I'm expecting it is what it is, but a little hopeful it's weird presentation of a unregulated device with more power than the current MFLB. Reserving judgement till at least the first use video.
 

poonman

Well-Known Member
Maybe they'll follow up with a PA for the Pico .
So you can regulate the exact temp for ... combusting ?
 
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herbivore21

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Herbivore21 brings up a good point about efficiancy. I still think that the MF model of wooden airpath is horrible for a combustion device. I have enough trouble keeping my LB clean, but imagining trying to clean combustion res from a wooden device is horrible. IF this was a glass piece it might have a place for some people. I know there was a time when I smoked that a glass version of this would have appealed to me.
Yes! Wood in airpaths for vaping, let alone combusting is out of the question for this herbivore!

Even on flower vapes, I find wood gives a flavor with enough gunk and I don't want that. The way that wood gunks up with resin over time is insane. When enough gunk is in your wood, it starts to sweat gunk out into the airpath. This residue taints the flavor of later hits. My vapman middle piece was foul with residual oil on the middle piece (the vapman has by far the least length of wooden airpath, the wood section is very small compared to other vapes with substantial wood in the airpath!)! I like the look of wood, but let's keep it outside of the airpath!

I can only imagine what vile taste would be left in a wooden vapsmoking device! That wood would stink enough to clear a room with time lol
 

MagicFlight Press

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Company Rep
Dear Readers,
we in the Communications Department of Magic-Flight have been asked to present you with the following statement on behalf of the company. ***

We would like to answer some questions (and address some comments) that we've been seeing since we recently added the new product recently called "pico" to our website. The product is an experimental build and an alpha product which is being offered to gauge interest. Please be advised that as this is an alpha product, a experimental project, etc, the name itself is considered to be somewhat temporary and could likely be changed.

As an alpha product, it was not intended to suggest or recommend combustion as being "better" than vaprorization. We attempt to provide choices, and the freedom for people to make them (check the bottom of the LB, to see what we are about). As with anything, we cannot know what people want unless we ask. However, we also think it is better to show what we mean than to just ask by itself. We have to be willing to try an experiment -- even if it might not work out.

Yes, the combustion aspect is by design -- this device was never intended to be a just a vaporizer. Between our own Launch Box, and some other good vaporizers out there, and the many assorted pens, we figured the need for vaporization had been rather fully covered. Although we're of the opinion that vaporization is generally better, we still see a lot of people using herbal material in all kinds of pipes, and others preferring to make large clouds. Some folks simply do not prefer vaporization, for whatever reason. We do not wish to be preachy about it, or to exclude.

This device is intended instead to be a butane-less one-hitter, for dry herbal material. In particular, it is intended to be the most efficient and most compact one-hitter possible. In regards to the design, there are two basic aspects: first, there are those who prefer to consume less, but in a more concentrated single use event, and second, there are those who are actually into combustion, and yet which are also into efficiency, saving money, etc.

We found that for those people who do burn, the fact is combustion simply heats the material too quickly. Fire implies that there will be a significant conversion of medicament into non-bio-available heat, rather than just into bio-available vapor. Using an electric heat source, however, rather than fire from a lighter, allows for the warm up time to be much more controllable, slower, ensuring a more consistent release. The aim was to have a device that would cross a wider range of temperatures, more completely, than just vaporization alone would normally allow.

The net effect is that there is no doubt -- no question -- as to whether all possible extractable materials have been recovered. With the one hitter, there is no question of "is it done yet?" There is simplicity, clarity of usage intention, and no wait.

In regards to this forum specifically, we are actually rather surprised to see the device even discussed here. Particularly since there was never an intention to characterize this device as a vaporizer. We figure that if there is no advertising/marketing of it being about vaporization, then any benefits that may actually occur during use, due to some increased degree of vaporization happening over what would otherwise occur with burning, that we are exceeding consumer expectations -- benefit without cost.

Also, it is much better -- more honest -- that than the reverse -- calling something a vaporizer and then disappointing folks if the device does not work as a vaporizer -- if combustion accidentally happens (as can occur with the Box if misused).

For those on FC who have more political motivations favoring vaporization, it is agreed that it *might* be possible to "convert" a non-vaporizer person into one, using this device as a "gateway", but that is not the intention. We do not expect that using this as a vaporizer will be particularly easy. More it is to be efficient as a one hitter -- as maximally efficient as it is possible to be, assuming similar limits in size, cost, etc.

We sincerely hope this clears up any confusion and answers questions as to why we are offering this new and unique choice for the Magic-Flight community.

Magic-Flight
 

Farid

Well-Known Member
MF made a post about the Pico on the mflb reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/mflb/comments/4tndjz/pico/

Reading it instantly made me think of the title of this tread. They seem to think there is a market for people who are trying to get high efficiently, but want to smoke. I agree, but I don't think those people want a pipe made of wood when there are glass and metal one hitters for less than $5. I also think that people who are entertaining spending money on a device to get high efficiently will look into vaporizers first. I doubt people who don't vaporize will even know about the pico.

MF ended the post with: "Until next time, remember to wave at school buses and smile at strangers."

How about we remember to spend more time doing R&D.
 
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