Herb Grinders

TheVaporist · Jul 9, 2016

I totally agree, it's a trusted mechanism but somehow that was what pushed toward the other side

But at the end, both are really good but not for the same usage pattern, and when the v3 will come out that may be changing things!

Lazylathe, can you tell us about the humidity and the stickiness of your material?
Because with mine, if I want to conserve the silky movement, I don't think that cleaning it every three months will be enough

MoltenTiger said:
Regardless, both grinders won't give buyers remorse, spending at this end of the price range should ensure that.

And at the end, that's all that matters!

abcd5432 · Jul 9, 2016

TheVaporist said:
I have my Gr8tr since a month, and I totally agree to the fact that it get dirty quicker than a classic grinder because of the press system. Especially if you have some really sticky material with boveda storage (may not be the case with dryer stuff but I don't know for know...)

Otherwise, I don't think a SLX grinder is able to reproduce the same even fluffy material every time with every amount, with an almost effortless movement (while not gunked up ).

That's why I choose the Gr8tr on the same dilemma. The ceramic coating is awesome but belong only on cleaning and ease of use but these teeths and holes make it just another grinder to me....

While lurking this thread for a long time, and after being tired of the upside down technique, I finally jump in the Gr8tr train et while it seems a weird grinder I think he's a serious challenger for us fellow vaper.

The fluffy even grind is the best thing about this giant can! (Twice the height of my 4 pieces SpaceCase, but a world between the two. )
It's seems that the same amount of material makes me able to pack more bowl with more vapor due to the augmented surface, it's clear when using my crafty.
And however you put 0.5g or 2g you always get the same grind, without have to put to much effort in the moment even with some really dense nug

Their changing plate and screen system is awesome (they are the real first one as biohacker said before) but while I really like the fine plate (my lung are cool with fine material ), I think the coarse plate is not coarse enough for all users... Maybe there is a room for another plate who knows?

Mine came with a gifted screen (same size as the included one), wich is convenient for cleaning but another size would be welcome
The Kief is collecting more easily than on my SpaceCase, but we'll see in the long time for the quality( 60's screen)

The overall quality is really high, all is tight and well machined,the black cap is nice, you can handle it well, it feels study in hands, and he came with a little black bag.
I prefer the anodizing of my SpaceCase, less shiny and it feel more high end to me...But that's just a treatment after all

Mine came with the lossing plate problem plus a small machining mark, and wow, CS at this company is really effective, the lifetime warranty isn't a joke!
I ordered it on grasscity, from a country where kannastor didn't sell stuff, and I was really worried...
I made a warranty claim with two pictures and here we go!

They handle all the process and stuff with grasscity, and while it had taken a couple of week, they sort it all and a new grinder is coming my way without having to send the old one...
That's really awesome, more parts to play with!

At the end, I don't regret I haven't pick the SLX, but I do regret that Kannastor isn't using a ceramic coating!!

What tools are you using to keep your gr8tr clean? Links would be nice. I feel if I had a kit to keep the grinder clean, I'd be more into the gr8tr. I hate cleaning.

Farkas · Jul 9, 2016

abcd5432 said:
What tools are you using to keep your gr8tr clean? Links would be nice. I feel if I had a kit to keep the grinder clean, I'd be more into the gr8tr. I hate cleaning.

I have the gr8tr vape grinder and I use something that I found quite by accident - a brush that came with the cordless shaver I have. Never used it to clean that, but I remembered I had it and figured it might be useful. It works like a charm. It's small with longish, stiff bristles. After putting some product through the grinder, I give it a quick brush which literally takes like 5 seconds. No build up and clean as a whistle.

Oogendoogan · Jul 9, 2016

Does anyone know if you can buy a medium sized plate for the vape gr8tr? I mean for where the herb falls through. I got the version with no screen and only the small holes on the plate for vaping. Some of my strains don't do as well with such small holes so I was wanting a medium plate but can't find where to order one.

lazylathe · Jul 9, 2016

TheVaporist said:
Lazylathe, can you tell us about the humidity and the stickiness of your material?

My material is dispensary bought and correctly cured.
I store in CVaults with 62% Boveda Humidity Packs.

My homegrown material is WAY stickier than dispensary bud, so i use my SCS for that bud but it still gums it up after a few uses...

I am really happy with both of my grinders and use them both, just depends on the type of bud i am grinding.
Daily driver is the GR8Tr though!

creationdivine · Jul 9, 2016

FlyingLow said:
I don't want to be a banker for another ingiegogo campaign

I share the same sentiment, namely in regard to the Clipper grinder, rebranded as the Lift Innovations grinder. The new name doesn't roll off the tongue quite the same, nor is my praise or excitement for the "world's most innovative grinder" any longer.

First, the wait has been excessive. I can't (and don't want to) count the number of excuses I have received from this company in regard to the production and shipping push backs for this product. I was optimistic when I was told I would receive my grinder at the end of April. Here it is July and I am being told the grinders have not only yet to be anodized, but the anodizing racks themselves aren't even in the company's possession yet! Even though I am grateful for the email updates, I find this to be very amateur for a company with big promises.

Second, I preordered this grinder back in February. At no point was there any mention (that I was aware of) that this grinder uses "The food-safe, friction reducing, shaft bushings, magnet spacers, and spinner rings".

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Do you see any mention plastic parts in this graphic? Me neither.

I can't say I won't use this grinder whenever I receive it (anyone wanna take bets on when? lol) though I have learned my lesson when it comes to giving a company my money before the product has been more honestly and thoroughly reviewed. Especially ones that make claims with little proof and flashy campaigns.

Sadly, I can't help but laugh seeing QB-GON's IndieGoGo campaign mimic this situation in so many ways.

TheVaporist · Jul 9, 2016

abcd5432 said:
What tools are you using to keep your gr8tr clean? Links would be nice. I feel if I had a kit to keep the grinder clean, I'd be more into the gr8tr. I hate cleaning.

I used to daily brush it like Farkas does, but with the small volcano's brush, and when it is to gunked up, I do an Ethanol bath, then some toth brush with soap for the finish.

lazylathe said:
My material is dispensary bought and correctly cured.
I store in CVaults with 62% Boveda Humidity Packs.

My homegrown material is WAY stickier than dispensary bud, so i use my SCS for that bud but it still gums it up after a few uses...

I am really happy with both of my grinders and use them both, just depends on the type of bud i am grinding.
Daily driver is the GR8Tr though!

I'm in the same configuration as yours (dispensary aside...) and I can't imagine mine to stay clean as long as yours

You making me jealous, or maybe I'm a bit OCD with this :lol:

It's difficult to me to use my SpaceCase anymore, I will find him a new home soon :science:

Oogendoogan said:
Does anyone know if you can buy a medium sized plate for the vape gr8tr? I mean for where the herb falls through. I got the version with no screen and only the small holes on the plate for vaping. Some of my strains don't do as well with such small holes so I was wanting a medium plate but can't find where to order one.

It dosen't appear anywhere, but if you get in touch with Kannastor, they will maybe sell you a spare plate.
Or if someone here as a spare plate, after a warranty claim, maybe you can get it

(I doubt you're in the same country, but PM if you want as I will have a spare one in a few week)

creationdivine said:
I
"The food-safe, friction reducing, shaft bushings, magnet spacers, and spinner rings".

This is certainly PTFE material, very common in the grinder world, but also in kitchen stuff

Even the gr8tr have a silicon joint in order to avoid the contact between two piece of metal...

For the rest, the clipper story is kind of wierd and shady and remind me the qb-gon story aswell, but there is some clipper in the wild atleast....

Edit: accidentaly double posted this, sorry mods and thanks in advance for the merge

Modnote: Posts merged (you're welcome)

°k · Jul 9, 2016

creationdivine said:
Sadly, I can't help but laugh seeing QB-GON's IndieGoGo campaign mimic this situation in so many ways.

Your experience with the clipper manufacturer sounds quite bad indeed and I'm sorry to hear so. But so far I don't see how QB-Gon is mimicking it apart from being on indiegogo and being a blade grinder, two things that aren't an indication it'll follow the same road or am I missing something? :shrug:

Edit: at above, yup I have one of those on the outer ring of my cali crusher HG, it's a completely transparent and super thin one, so that I've only noticed it recently, something like 10 months after having received it.

creationdivine · Jul 9, 2016

@TheVaporist I understand that. I'm just concerned why there was never any mention of these materials being employed in the grinder function. I don't see any mention of bushings or spinner rings on their site, let alone the use of silicon. If you watch their promo video at this part, one can see the bushing, but a few seconds later zoomed in it is missing. Slightly misleading IMO.

@°k I should have chosen my words with more care. What I mean is I see both companies use similar slogans ("world's most innovative grinder"), similar mechanisms with how each cuts the bud instead of grind it, both use[d] IndieGoGo to raise funds, and use high quality video production and graphics to promote their product.

"There has been no real successful attempt to revolutionize the grinder, until now." -QB-GON

"We saw so much opportunity for improvement in the current grinder options, so we built something completely different" -Lift Innovations

I'd love to get my hands on a QB-GON. I just don't want to go through a similar experience with a preorder.

TheVaporist · Jul 9, 2016

creationdivine said:
@TheVaporist I understand that. I'm just concerned why there was never any mention of these materials being employed in the grinder function. I don't see any mention of bushings or spinner rings on their site, let alone the use of silicon. If you watch their promo video at this part, one can see the bushing, but a few seconds later zoomed in it is missing. Slightly misleading IMO.

I understand your concern, and as a backer, maybe you should contact the company and expose your point of view

Showing two different version of a product is disapointing, but trust me, PTFE in this kind of usage is safe, you are eating way more nasty teflon when you are cooking

You may be more concerned with the material using in the paint, or about the anodizing process, the low grade magnets that leaks....all these stuff are shady and no company will never tell you about..

°k · Jul 9, 2016

creationdivine said:
@TheVaporist I understand that. I'm just concerned why there was never any mention of these materials being employed in the grinder function. I don't see any mention of bushings or spinner rings on their site, let alone the use of silicon. If you watch their promo video at this part, one can see the bushing, but a few seconds later zoomed in it is missing. Slightly misleading IMO.

@°k I should have chosen my words with more care. What I mean is I see both companies use similar slogans ("world's most innovative grinder"), similar mechanisms with how each cuts the bud instead of grind it, both use[d] IndieGoGo to raise funds, and use high quality video production and graphics to promote their product.

"There has been no real successful attempt to revolutionize the grinder, until now." -QB-GON

"We saw so much opportunity for improvement in the current grinder options, so we built something completely different" -Lift Innovations

I'd love to get my hands on a QB-GON. I just don't want to go through a similar experience with a preorder.

Well the clipper failure so far is making the QB-Gon statement true, no?

But more seriously, I hear you, I'm not a big fan of such statements; that said if you look at it, the QB trying to reproduce the use of several pairs of scissors is not something common, also you open and close it without unscrewing/screwing the chamber and there's no thread to damage (Cali crusher HG have a quick lock mechanism which I like but it can get badly stuck sometimes and and there's still a sort of thread).
The most innovative I couldn't tell as it's suggestive (for some the SLX coating is the revolution the grinder world needs, for others it could be that you can change the plate of the top chamber to get different sizes of holes or for others it was the round bottom of the SCS pollen chamber) but it certainly is innovative and on top of that it looks very nice (again it's suggestive but this time I say it

).

What I believe matters is to be able to see through the marketing fairy dust and look at the product for what it really is and can bring.

unsorted · Jul 9, 2016

creationdivine said:
I share the same sentiment, namely in regard to the Clipper grinder, rebranded as the Lift Innovations grinder. The new name doesn't roll off the tongue quite the same, nor is my praise or excitement for the "world's most innovative grinder" any longer.

First, the wait has been excessive. I can't (and don't want to) count the number of excuses I have received from this company in regard to the production and shipping push backs for this product. I was optimistic when I was told I would receive my grinder at the end of April. Here it is July and I am being told the grinders have not only yet to be anodized, but the anodizing racks themselves aren't even in the company's possession yet! Even though I am grateful for the email updates, I find this to be very amateur for a company with big promises.

Second, I preordered this grinder back in February. At no point was there any mention (that I was aware of) that this grinder uses "The food-safe, friction reducing, shaft bushings, magnet spacers, and spinner rings".

Do you see any mention plastic parts in this graphic? Me neither.

I can't say I won't use this grinder whenever I receive it (anyone wanna take bets on when? lol) though I have learned my lesson when it comes to giving a company my money before the product has been more honestly and thoroughly reviewed. Especially ones that make claims with little proof and flashy campaigns.

Sadly, I can't help but laugh seeing QB-GON's IndieGoGo campaign mimic this situation in so many ways.

I'll just say that I don't share your opinion on this. This is the first and only IndieGoGo campaign that I ever participated in, so I don't know anything about others. But, even with the multiple delays in producing and shipping the Clipper grinders, I feel that the Lift Innovations people are doing the best they can to get things right. We've gotten updates each time an issue arises. I think that maybe they've just been too optimistic when estimating how long each step of the manufacturing process takes. Hell, every job I've ever done, has cost more, taken longer, and been more of a pain in the ass, than I originally figured.
I'm guessing (totally) we'll have our grinders before the end of the month. If it's a step up from what I'm used to, I'll be happy.

°k · Jul 9, 2016

steama said:
What the hell are you talking about? Do you even know?

You're right I only know what I've just been told and by failure I mean failure to deliver their product so far. What I know though is you could use a more gentle tone and avoid quoting half of a sentence that was meant to be a joke maybe?

FlyingLow · Jul 9, 2016

Qb-gone wanted their own thread, why don't we clean this shit up and just quit talking about them here... they really don't even have a product on the market yet.

Pro or con opinion, they wanted their own thread so I'm less and less inclined to even give them mention in here.

Stevenski · Jul 9, 2016

Well trade certainly picked up in this thread overnight! The one thing I keep coming back to is this is how my grinder looks after 100g+ has been put through it. This is no sales pitch but look at how clean it is

. I have no reason to talk up the capabilities but I reckon I will not need to give this a proper clean for some time & I would wager a 80% reduction in cleaning. I would love to see a 3 piece version with a concave bottom like the SCS 3 piece grinder.

momofthegoons · Jul 9, 2016

To all of you members discussing the QB-GON grinder here....

Since QB-gon has a thread of their own they are limited to that thread. This means they cannot respond in this thread. Please take all QB-gon grinder related questions to that thread and leave it out of this one.

FlyingLow · Jul 9, 2016

I'm in the same boat as you, will likely step into the SLX v2 4piece 2" version next... Have several SCS and love them.

pdx3325 · Jul 10, 2016

TheVaporist said:
Even the gr8tr have a silicon joint in order to avoid the contact between two piece of metal...

This post made me concerned.

Just had a gr8tr delivered. Saw that weird ring between the sections - AND I CUT IT OFF!!!!!!!

Seriously - I thought it was a packing/protection item.

Is it there because the material/cover rubs off?

Why would the company add it (and not warn customers it was needed) unless there were serious downsides to not using it and they felt you wouldn't buy it if you knew?

I am bugged over this. Immensely.

FlyingLow · Jul 10, 2016

I would have left it. It is designed to prevent the two metal halves from scraping as you twist the grinder back and forth... like it or not, it is a purely functional piece that is on many modern grinders.

TheVaporist · Jul 10, 2016

pdx3325 said:
This post made me concerned.

Just had a gr8tr delivered. Saw that weird ring between the sections - AND I CUT IT OFF!!!!!!!

Seriously - I thought it was a packing/protection item.

Is it there because the material/cover rubs off?

Why would the company add it (and not warn customers it was needed) unless there were serious downsides to not using it and they felt you wouldn't buy it if you knew?

I am bugged over this. Immensely.

Maybe you should try to contact Kannastor, and ask them about giving you a new joint.
As a Stoner company they should understand

I hope they can help you, keep us in touch!

FlyingLow · Jul 10, 2016

This is another situation when old outdated smoking theories simply do not apply to all accessories and vaping products... it is entirely moot the material is made from plastic or another composite, it is functional and does not need to be metal or "medical grade" . It does you far more benefit to leave it in place

max · Jul 10, 2016

steama said:
'recently unmentionable grinder'^^^

Who says you can't talk about it here all you want? It's the manufacturer that can't advertise anywhere he wants. That's the same rule all manufacturers have to abide by here.

pdx3325 said:
Saw that weird ring between the sections

It's generally called an o-ring and almost all grinders have it. Some are thick and white and stand out. Some are thin and clear and hardly noticeable. Too bad you didn't just remove it intact, which is what you have to do for a thorough cleaning. Soaking a grinder in alcohol for cleaning is fine, but don't soak the o-ring.
I've bought a lot of different grinders over the years, and none has come with a warning about the o-ring. I don't think cutting it off is a common mistake. In fact yours is the first complaint I can remember. I wouldn't target Kannastör in particular for the lack of explanation.

As for contacting the company to get a replacement o-ring, you'd be foolish not to do so since the company actually has a website with a 'contact us' page. It may cost you to get a new o-ring, but it shouldn't be that much, and you may not have enough clearance without it, to grind without grinding metal to metal.

Edward Hyde · Jul 11, 2016

steama said:
I have a SCS 'large' rasta 3 piece I've had since November of last year. The anodizing looks factory good still...very amazing to me. It's a sweet grinder that grinds to that famous SCS fluff which is perfect for most vapes. I can put about four of loads through it before the stickiness begins to gum the action down. Being a stoner I keep using it rather than cleaning it and it just gets harder and harder to operate. So, as great as SCS grinders are I have been hoping for a manual solution that doesn't gum down so quickly. TBH it may be just an excuse to buy new toys.

This 'gumming down performance' is the main reason I am looking at the Lift Innovations 'Clipper' Grinder and now the 'recently unmentionable grinder'^^^ has my attention. Had to gamble for the Clipper. For a grinder that works better than our ancient go to grinder design I'm all in if it works to make grinding more easy and less cleaning no matter how much I love my SCS.

good thing with cleaning the qb-gon seems to be that as i understand it the grinding chamber can be take out of the grinder shell and be thrown in iso since its steel blades and since the grinding chamber doesnt come in contact with your hands at any time and the parts that do come in contact with your hands dont come in contact with your material so no need to dip them in iso. That means that the iso you clean your blades can be used again and again and then evaporated to have so cool oil maybe? I am pretty sure that all grinders no matter the design will get ganked up with oil and plant material at a point, only thing we gotta look at is how easy it gets dirty to the point that ease of use is declined and then how easy it is to be cleaned to new + what can you claim from cleaning it... SCS and all this grinders indeed look really nice
but i havent found an excuse the last 15 years to upgrade from my old grinder to a SCS. First with the clipper i had the thought to upgrade up but the 1 blade concept with huge holes at the bottom didnt seem to promising for fine grind. Qbgon is like eight blades or something wich means it might be able to make a pretty fine grind compared to the one you can make with your hand and scissors.

FlyingLow · Jul 11, 2016

I disagree with several parts of that statement, but am on an iPad and don't feel like typing it out... But I recommend you look at slx, they flip one of your theories upside down!

kellya86 · Jul 11, 2016

I been quiet on here for a couple of weeks now since i received my gr8tr....

This is because I've been waiting for a warranty replacement...

When i first recieved my gr8tr I instantly notied a problem with it, that isn't the unscrewing plate problem...

I contacted volo retail who were brilliant with their service, and after a few days and a few pics, and proof of purchase, the agreed to send me a replacement...

This is awkward for them as I live in UK, where kannastör is not sold, but they sent one never the less...

I have not received it yet, its been 2 weeks, it's a bitch getting stuff here, it's probaby in a sorting office waiting for me to pay import tax on it...

Anyway if it turns up and is OK, I will have much high praise for them for sorting this out.....

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