Underdog Log Vapes

CuckFumbustion

CuckFumbustion

Lo and Behold! The transformative power of Vapor.
Nice pics of your Dogs y'all. I really love the wood grain luster and the shine of mine. :luv: And the TnT stem for that matter.
Been having mixed result with my Nongs. Having restriction and it gets harder to pull when using the D020 + my setup towards the end of a draw. Like it's clogged.
After cleaning and inspecting, I have the same probs until I purposely made a center hole in the pack. Have a glass tool that pushes the materials to the wall more.
Plus I get lazy and tend to over pack. Straw draw then tamp enough to be safe.

Stevenski said:
My new glass survived being delivered via "throw over 6' fence onto concrete" unscathed & I tested it with my UD. Say hello to my new daily driver & for $30US delivered I have no complaints.

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So that's how they handle a package marked fragile? :D Well it has a lot of slits and looks heavy duty.
 
Madcap79

Madcap79

Jack of all trades, master of none.
CuckFumbustion said:
Nice pics of your Dogs y'all. I really love the wood grain luster and the shine of mine. :luv: And the TnT stem for that matter.
Been having mixed result with my Nongs. Having restriction and it gets harder to pull when using the D020 + my setup towards the end of a draw. Like it's clogged.
After cleaning and inspecting, I have the same probs until I purposely made a center hole in the pack. Have a glass tool that pushes the materials to the wall more.
Plus I get lazy and tend to over pack. Straw draw then tamp enough to be safe.

So that's how they handle a package marked fragile? :D Well it has a lot of slits and looks heavy duty.
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If you draw really slow at first or take a couple really light puffs, it will 'set' the load and keep it from compacting during a harder draw. That's my technique at least.
 
CuckFumbustion

CuckFumbustion

Lo and Behold! The transformative power of Vapor.
Madcap79 said:
If you draw really slow at first or take a couple really light puffs, it will 'set' the load and keep it from compacting during a harder draw. That's my technique at least.
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I've worked on that technique. Even slowed it down further and will coax a little vapor along the path, pause a sec, then a medium-slow draw. Makes for better cloud production too. Still had some of the near end clogging probs but not as much. The other pack method I came up with seems to dry out things before scorching as well as help with restriction. I'll try it for a while at least for a while.
 
Twiddlebug

Twiddlebug

Well-Known Member
Twiddlebug said:
Hey Dawgs,

I'm testing my new VVPS. I hope this lasts cause it's pretty slick.
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So this morning the little fan in the back of the unit failed. I had a feeling this would happen because the fan has been continuously trying to turn on, spin for a second or so, and then stops. This occurs then entire time I uses it day one.

I am not too concerned about overheating the unit itself BUT the actual fan is becoming quite hot to the touch because it is still trying to turn on. Now it is physically vibrating and making a noise. Does anyone with experience know if I can simply snip a wire to cut power to the fan or disconnect it?

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dxer

dxer

Active Member
Howdy dog pack,

We recently acquired our first log vape (not an UD, oops), and in true collector fashion, I've come up with a reason to own another one... haha (well actually the 12v input makes it a no-brainer for off-grid use at the cottage!). I'm really liking the vibe of the UD.

I've truly searched and read quite a bit. I believe I have the main features and differences figured out from the Dog and the Nano, but I still have a couple of questions about some subtleties:

1. The cord: the cord on the nano is definitely a weak point. It is pretty stiff and the part that plugs in to the unit is a bit chunky. Seems to overpower the vibe of the little nano when passing it around or when in bed, etc. So, is the cord on the Dog more supple? It seems to me it must be, being a low voltage wire, but I haven't found any direct comments comparing the two cords. Again, a subtlety, but thanks for any input.
2. We are low-temp ppl. On temp-controlled vapes we usually go at about 180C (360F) and generally stay below 200C (~390F), so my second question is about power. It seems the UD standard core is the place to start, but does anyone know if the extension alone drops the voltage enough to stay that cool? Or is the dimmer the ticket for us?

Thanks a bunch in advance, happy Friday :)
 
SSVUN~YAH

SSVUN~YAH

You Must Unlearn, What You Have Learned...
dxer said:
Howdy dog pack,

We recently acquired our first log vape (not an UD, oops), and in true collector fashion, I've come up with a reason to own another one... haha (well actually the 12v input makes it a no-brainer for off-grid use at the cottage!). I'm really liking the vibe of the UD.

I've truly searched and read quite a bit. I believe I have the main features and differences figured out from the Dog and the Nano, but I still have a couple of questions about some subtleties:

1. The cord: the cord on the nano is definitely a weak point. It is pretty stiff and the part that plugs in to the unit is a bit chunky. Seems to overpower the vibe of the little nano when passing it around or when in bed, etc. So, is the cord on the Dog more supple? It seems to me it must be, being a low voltage wire, but I haven't found any direct comments comparing the two cords. Again, a subtlety, but thanks for any input.
2. We are low-temp ppl. On temp-controlled vapes we usually go at about 180C (360F) and generally stay below 200C (~390F), so my second question is about power. It seems the UD standard core is the place to start, but does anyone know if the extension alone drops the voltage enough to stay that cool? Or is the dimmer the ticket for us?

Thanks a bunch in advance, happy Friday :)
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1) The cord, I completly agree and the UD cord is where it's at! Loved the idea and look of Nano cordless ability, but it became a big hassle to me with its huge connection port and enough to make me switch entirely to DC.

2) The extension might be enough, but if not the dimmer is very inexpensive.
Twiddlebug said:
So this morning the little fan in the back of the unit failed. I had a feeling this would happen because the fan has been continuously trying to turn on, spin for a second or so, and then stops. This occurs then entire time I uses it day one.

I am not too concerned about overheating the unit itself BUT the actual fan is becoming quite hot to the touch because it is still trying to turn on. Now it is physically vibrating and making a noise. Does anyone with experience know if I can simply snip a wire to cut power to the fan or disconnect it?

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Is it under warranty? You might even be able to swap it out with a screwdriver and solder. Best of luck and be safe!
 
Twiddlebug

Twiddlebug

Well-Known Member
SSVUN~YAH said:
1) Is it under warranty? You might even be able to swap it out with a screwdriver and solder. Best of luck and be safe!
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So I opened the unit up and there is no way I will try to replace the fan. It is totally inaccessible. I was hoping to swap it out or disconnect it but nothing is ever that easy. :ugh: I'm willing to risk letting things warm up but I'd still need to bypass this temp switch or fan. Unless I can simply just snip one wire at the back of the fan to cut red wire and wrap it up (bad idea?), I would not know what else to try.

Also upon opening the unit, the reason for a strong smell became clear. Some kind of glue was used to hold a circuit board in place, and other places. It was dripped everywhere, including over the heat sink, some of the do-dads, and even the thingamajigs. It looks like the board is resting on globs of melted glue.

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Going back to my standard plug until I or some Dawg here can provide a solution. My only thought is to bypass or cut power to the fan and risk overheating. Is that even safe to do? Or I can send it back which I really, really do not want to do. I'd rather accept the loss and move one. The irony is this was an upgrade and the other unit did not need a fan. It's only my second day with this thing and I can't use it ... sounds like all the other VVPS horror stories. :lol:
 
underdog

underdog

shade-tree vapor engineer
Manufacturer
Twiddlebug said:
So this morning the little fan in the back of the unit failed. I had a feeling this would happen because the fan has been continuously trying to turn on, spin for a second or so, and then stops. This occurs then entire time I uses it day one.

I am not too concerned about overheating the unit itself BUT the actual fan is becoming quite hot to the touch because it is still trying to turn on. Now it is physically vibrating and making a noise. Does anyone with experience know if I can simply snip a wire to cut power to the fan or disconnect it?

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Twiddlebug said:
So I opened the unit up and there is no way I will try to replace the fan. It is totally inaccessible. I was hoping to swap it out or disconnect it but nothing is ever that easy. :ugh: I'm willing to risk letting things warm up but I'd still need to bypass this temp switch or fan. Unless I can simply just snip one wire at the back of the fan to cut red wire and wrap it up (bad idea?), I would not know what else to try.

Also upon opening the unit, the reason for a strong smell became clear. Some kind of glue was used to hold a circuit board in place, and other places. It was dripped everywhere, including over the heat sink, some of the do-dads, and even the thingamajigs. It looks like the board is resting on globs of melted glue.

kqdsRSC.jpg


yGjxZBT.jpg


Going back to my standard plug until I or some Dawg here can provide a solution. My only thought is to bypass or cut power to the fan and risk overheating. Is that even safe to do? Or I can send it back which I really, really do not want to do. I'd rather accept the loss and move one. The irony is this was an upgrade and the other unit did not need a fan. It's only my second day with this thing and I can't use it ... sounds like all the other VVPS horror stories. :lol:
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Dude that's messed up, I can't believe that thing didn't even make it 2 days, or at least the fan didn't. It always drives me crazy to see what should be (mine is pretty good) a decent piece of hardware brought down because they skimped and used a cheap fan, or cheap diode, or cheap xxx.

I can't really tell from your picture but does the fan connect to the board with a plug? If so your best bet would be to try and unplug the fan from that plug. If it doesn't and since you're willing to take a loss worse case scenario you could clip a wire. If you go the clipping route make sure you can grab enough slack in the wire to pull it out and wrap the cut ends in electrical tape. You don't want any lose ends rattling around inside there shorting out on anything. :science:
 
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RUDE BOY

RUDE BOY

Space is the Place
After trying 3 different vvps units I've given up on them altogether as none of them lasted more then two weeks (although I've been waiting on my VK since September of 2015 I may just count it as throwing good money after bad, sucks to see people order one and get theirs while I've been waiting) but have to say I haven't found a real need to ever raise the voltage with my newer Underdogs at all, the wall wart that comes with the 'dogs are perfect for my use.

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Twiddlebug

Twiddlebug

Well-Known Member
This Dawg does not give up. I inspected the fan blades and saw that one had been so bent out of shape that it was jamming the path (just like in The Avengers and the Robert Downey Jr.'s had to fly in and remove the debris) I broke it off and removed it with needle nose pliers.



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The fan works again and everything is magical! :tup: It still engages/disengages quite frequently once it warms up and it makes a little noise, but I don't leave the unit on long at the voltages I use. I'm soooo :)
 
underdog

underdog

shade-tree vapor engineer
Manufacturer
dxer said:
Howdy dog pack,

We recently acquired our first log vape (not an UD, oops), and in true collector fashion, I've come up with a reason to own another one... haha (well actually the 12v input makes it a no-brainer for off-grid use at the cottage!). I'm really liking the vibe of the UD.

I've truly searched and read quite a bit. I believe I have the main features and differences figured out from the Dog and the Nano, but I still have a couple of questions about some subtleties:

1. The cord: the cord on the nano is definitely a weak point. It is pretty stiff and the part that plugs in to the unit is a bit chunky. Seems to overpower the vibe of the little nano when passing it around or when in bed, etc. So, is the cord on the Dog more supple? It seems to me it must be, being a low voltage wire, but I haven't found any direct comments comparing the two cords. Again, a subtlety, but thanks for any input.
2. We are low-temp ppl. On temp-controlled vapes we usually go at about 180C (360F) and generally stay below 200C (~390F), so my second question is about power. It seems the UD standard core is the place to start, but does anyone know if the extension alone drops the voltage enough to stay that cool? Or is the dimmer the ticket for us?

Thanks a bunch in advance, happy Friday :)
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Our cords are standard low voltage thin cords like you'd find on most any wall-wart.. so nice and bendy.. much more so than thicker 120v AC cords.

Most Dogs will run hotter than what your needs are, most in the 390 to 400 range. To get as low as you're looking at you'd probably want to pick up a dimmer. Alternatively, if we're building you a custom piece we can put a cooler running cartridge in it for from the get-go. That would give you closer to your ideal temps without the need for a dimmer. :peace:
 
SSVUN~YAH

SSVUN~YAH

You Must Unlearn, What You Have Learned...
Twiddlebug said:
This Dawg does not give up. I inspected the fan blades and saw that one had been so bent out of shape that it was jamming the path (just like in The Avengers and the Robert Downey Jr.'s had to fly in and remove the debris) I broke it off and removed it with needle nose pliers.



gTvFxYS.jpg


The fan works again and everything is magical! :tup: It still engages/disengages quite frequently once it warms up and it makes a little noise, but I don't leave the unit on long at the voltages I use. I'm soooo :)
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Whew, crisis averted!
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underdog

underdog

shade-tree vapor engineer
Manufacturer
RUDE BOY said:
After trying 3 different vvps units I've given up on them altogether as none of them lasted more then two weeks (although I've been waiting on my VK since September of 2015 I may just count it as throwing good money after bad, sucks to see people order one and get theirs while I've been waiting) but have to say I haven't found a real need to ever raise the voltage with my newer Underdogs at all, the wall wart that comes with the 'dogs are perfect for my use.

:peace:
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Yeah it can be pretty aggravating to find a decent VVPS. It's especially frustrating because they aren't complex nor are the parts expensive.. the difficulty is solely because of poor quality control and manufacturers cheaping out and ruining a $30 VVPS by cutting a $.25 corner. :rant:
 
dxer

dxer

Active Member
underdog said:
Our cords are standard low voltage thin cords like you'd find on most any wall-wart.. so nice and bendy.. much more so than thicker 120v AC cords.

Most Dogs will run hotter than what your needs are, most in the 390 to 400 range. To get as low as you're looking at you'd probably want to pick up a dimmer. Alternatively, if we're building you a custom piece we can put a cooler running cartridge in it for from the get-go. That would give you closer to your ideal temps without the need for a dimmer. :peace:
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Awesome info, thanks!

Love the thought of a more bendy cord for sure.

Seems to me the dimmer would be the way to go unless there's any drawback... any reason not to go with the dimmer?
 
Stevenski

Stevenski

Enter the Dragon
dxer said:
Seems to me the dimmer would be the way to go unless there's any drawback... any reason not to go with the dimmer?
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If you are only seeking to lower your UD's temp a dimmer is fine. It does not give fine control & moving the dial 1mm can cause the voltage to change up to 0.5v so it is not a science but you will find your sweet spot. Using a multimeter can assist with that & then heat up a pin & mark your spot on the dial. I have a dimmer but never use it now as my UD is tuned just right for me.


Bravesst said:
Just jumped on Orange Osage. Grabbed a dimmer as well. The nano cord was a major turnoff, hoping this is better. :tup:
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What are you looking to get out of the UD & how will you be using it? If I remember right you run the Air dry? I love my thick glass stem dry as it gives 3-4 good rips per load with a stir in between. Most of my use is with the S/S NonG's as I get one hit extractions that are huge & a J hook is perfect to use dry with a NonG as well. Lets just say you have a bunch of options with the UD & none are bad :2c: :peace:.
 
darkrom

darkrom

Great Scott!
If you want an underdog as a backup you will be disappointed. It will outshine your other vapes. Just ask my poor volcano, it sees duty when in large groups only. The VapeXhale got sold without reservation.

Its so difficult to have an underdog as your backup, unless you are like me and have an underdog to backup your underdog haha.
 
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