Woodeez Aromatherapy Diffuser/ Vaporizer !!!!

Nchomsky said:

....I'll just say thanks to Todd, Rick, and Tom for bringing something to the community.

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Rick brought something new to the community.
Tom brought something new to the community.
What in the hell did Todd bring to the community other than a direct copy of an existing vape that serves no purpose. The only purpose that it serves, according to Todd, is that it does an end run around the PD's wait time (and it's been marketed that way). But if that was an issue, the Zap takes care of that with no wait time and a well proven design, a well proven manufacturing process, and a well proven business plan.

While Tom and Rick DID bring something to the community, I don't see that Todd has brought anything to the community other than another knock-off, and it doesn't even do that well because typically, knock-offs are priced WELL below (50% and more) the product that they are knocking off, so even the cheap Chinese knock-offs bring something to the market...........a cheap price. Wood-eez even fails to do that.

So when you say that it brings something to the community, I just don't see it. What in the hell does it bring that doesn't already exist.

I'll give Todd a hint here. If you want to bring something unique to the marketplace, how 'bout marketing your product as an alternative to the PD/MZ in that you are offering a plethora of custom woods that is not available with either the MZ or the PD. Hang your hat on the custom wood availabilities that the others are not offering. You may even want to price it higher than the other two because of the unique woods that you are using. At least then, it may make some sense.

I may be wrong, but I thought Nchomsky was referring too the discourse all three had brought too FC in terms of the discussions had in this particular thread, and the manner of said discussions.

I could 100% be wrong Iwien but didn't Todd say that the product was different then the MZ/PD? I could have sworn earlier that the heat exchange is in fact different and in fact went into to detail. One could argue about "chinese knock offs" having a 50% lower price than the others but you use that term in a derogatory manner thus implying that the "knock off" is actually worse quality, and im unaware where this is true about the Woodeez. I'm not trying to make assumptions about anyone, and actually have the PD on order. And if I understand your comment correctly if the price was lower you would be fine, but since it's not todd is out of line?

DevoTheStrange said:

I may be wrong, but I thought Nchomsky was referring too the discourse all three had brought too FC in terms of the discussions had in this particular thread, and the manner of said discussions.

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Oh. You could be right. I thought it was the product that he was referring to.

Iwien, Woodeez has to start somewhere, and right now he is providing a valuable alternative to the PD in terms of eliminating the wait time. If he sits on his laurels though for too long you can bet that people will revert to the tried and true MZ and PD, especially since the wait time is being diminished for the PD. However, the potential there is for innovation is great, and I look forward to seeing what else he will come up with to differentiate his product and add value to consumer choice. Right now it is a wait and see ordeal, but I am excited.

Nchomsky said:

And if I understand your comment correctly if the price was lower you would be fine, but since it's not todd is out of line?

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ONLY if there was nothing else to differentiate his product other than price. Price COULD be a differentiating factor in lieu of anything else.

But no, I still wouldn't be fine because of how he presented his product, as explained in detail in earlier posts.
If he came on here and said something to the affect of, "Hey guys. I fucked up and made some false claims and statements that I shouldn't have and now realize that it was a big mistake. Let me start from scratch and prove to you guys that I DO have a viable product and marketing plan here. I'm young and have a lot to learn and would very much appreciate an opportunity to do just that". If he said something like that, I would be fine. But that's an opportunity that if not already missed, is about to be missed.

karazi said:

Iwien, Woodeez has to start somewhere, and right now he is providing a valuable alternative to the PD in terms of eliminating the wait time.

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But that already exists with the Zap, so in reality, he is not providing any valuable alternative.

lwien said:

karazi said:

Iwien, Woodeez has to start somewhere, and right now he is providing a valuable alternative to the PD in terms of eliminating the wait time.

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But that already exists with the Zap, so in reality, he is not providing any valuable alternative.

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One can say he came out as a viable alternative too the PD. But using that logic, he would only be cutting into the Viable alternative market. Not the PD market. The PD Has a wait list, so pretty much every PD Tom makes is already spoken for. And as long as there is a waitlist It will always be this way. Every PD made is already sold. So one could say that in trying too make an "alternative" too the PD specifically... he is not technically competing with the PD... he is competing with the MZ (which has been the choice unit for those unwilling too wait for the PD). So even though it was marketed in such a way against the PD, if the PD waitlist does not drop, The Woodeez is effectively competing with the MZ for the time being. Competing for the most viable alternative too the PD.
now over time this dynamic might change. But in the here and now, the only person that might feel the immediate effect of a new vape on the market will be the one without a wait list.

lwien said:

karazi said:

Iwien, Woodeez has to start somewhere, and right now he is providing a valuable alternative to the PD in terms of eliminating the wait time.

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But that already exists with the Zap, so in reality, he is not providing any valuable alternative.

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Yeah, except for the fact that Zaps are only offered in the myrtle hardwood and contain brass. Brass has a taste to it and I'm slightly schizo when it comes to brass and it's close relationship to lead.

Different woods are valuable alternatives.

Iwien said:

But if that was an issue, the Zap takes care of that with no wait time and a well proven design

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Umm except in the past you've trashed the MZ for using brass.

Tom mentioned how he loved his walnut pd but doesn't make them anymore...
Well surprise here comes one that is RoHS compliant, in walnut and doesnt have a 10 week wait.

aero18 said:

lwien said:

karazi said:

Iwien, Woodeez has to start somewhere, and right now he is providing a valuable alternative to the PD in terms of eliminating the wait time.

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But that already exists with the Zap, so in reality, he is not providing any valuable alternative.

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Yeah, except for the fact that Zaps are only offered in the myrtle hardwood and contain brass. Brass has a taste to it and I'm slightly schizo when it comes to brass and it's close relationship to lead.

Different woods are valuable alternatives.

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actually Rick offers other woods than Myrtle... it's just the Myrtlezap appears too be his Flagship, so to speak, of the line of vaporizers he offers (don't forget about the Aromazap)

sam urai said:

Umm except in the past you've trashed the MZ for using brass.

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I trashed it? I don't think I trashed it. Hell, I smoked a ProtoPipe for over 10 years, but after reading about the possible lead content in brass, I don't smoke the Proto anymore, and would be one of the reasons why I would steer clear of the MZ, but that's just me. It's a personal risk/reward ratio that everyone has to make and it'll be different for everyone. I think that your word of "trashing it" is a bit over the top, for that was never my intent. Read post #8 in the MZ thread along with my subsequent posts and tell me if you think I am trashing Rick or his product.

Just an observation... but some of you are so wound up over this. You've stated your points and just want to keep "piling on". Maybe you are out of vape material... or perhaps have broken vaporizers.

Dear Iwien, "What the hell did Todd bring to this community?"
Man, check out this thread. If nothing else, it apparently is entertaining.
But it is about the.......what's it gonna be.........WDEZ, WZ(I don't like that), WDZ, ??? Gotta come up with an abbreviation now that he is in the crowd.
Anyway it is supposed to be about the Woodeez, not all the other crap some of us do now and then.
So he brought a competing product in. Maybe if he had not been ambushed, he would have had a better intro. But he is here and we are seeing a vape or two. He still has much to do.

But the main thing he is doing is helping the PD wait line go away. That is a good thing. As I have said before, there can be different reasons for a wait line. Increased demand, yes, yes. But also the producer may have a role. Toms new tools will help tremendously in production. That is a good thing.
I want people to want the AZ/MZ for what it is and who we are, not because their first choice is unavailable immediately.
Todd has brought much to this forum even though it was not his choice to introduce his product when it was.
Lots of discussion on integrity which belongs in the lounge or in Todds own thread, if about his integrity, when he starts it.

One thing you also have too consider.... Because of all this, it is only a matter of time before everyone knows how too make this kind of vape. Hell, I think I have almost all of it figured out... just from the pictures I have seen. Only thing I haven't figured out is what kind of resistor is used.
Just like everyone figured out how the BC vape is made and started making their own home units. However I do not have access too the tools required too make a vape such as the MZ/PD/WDZ. That and I think I would totally maul myself on either the Drill press or screw up on the lathe and catch something in the face.
Would be interesting too see how many people will come out of the woodwork and latch onto how these are made... there is the possibility that this style vape is one that someone (If mechanically inclined) will turn too, and make, when they don't want too buy a vape.

Rick said:

Dear Iwien, "What the hell did Todd bring to this community?"
Man, check out this thread. If nothing else, it apparently is entertaining.

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Yup. That it is......

I'd really love to see a vape like this with twice the bowl capacity. Just throwin' it out there. Not sure if such a thing would work as well, though.

aero18 said:

Brass has a taste to it

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Maybe your taste buds are better than mine but I taste nothing but the material being vaped. When I pull on an empty stem I taste nothing. I couldn't use it if there was a taste from the vaporizer.

Cr8z13 said:

I'd really love to see a vape like this with twice the bowl capacity. Just throwin' it out there. Not sure if such a thing would work as well, though.

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Yeah. These types of vapes are known for their efficiency, and I think a bigger bowl would conflict with that design philosophy.

minnesnowta said:

Oh by the way deepfried I waited two weeks for my pd 8 months ago. So you really need to get your facts straight before you say anything. I hate when people give put false info just because they think they know. Allready straightened out but I hate when people try to call me out when they don't know what they're talking about.

And I'm sorry if I seemed like a douche before. I really have no problem with you making these. I just hate when people bash on shit they don't know.

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dude my whole point of my post went right over your head. 12 months - 8 months who cares, 2 weeks - 8 weeks - 12 weeks all too long. My point was that it seems coincidental that a long PD wait time is suddenly vanishing at the same time as a near duplicate competing product shows up. Sorry minnesnowta, I was not calling you out or trying to give out false info.

lwien you are way too overly defensive of the PD.

Jikaboom123 said:

lwien you are way too overly defensive of the PD.

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In this thread, I'm pretty defensive of the MZ too.

lwien said:

What I have stated above is a fact. What you have stated above is nothing more than airing out dirty laundry in your longstanding distaste of a VERY successful product. I guess some people just can't stand the success of others. Jealousy? Envy? Or just a distaste of the status quo?

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LOL.. iwien, I think you have buzz butter on your lips man. Like I have stated before I have no "longstanding distaste of a VERY successful product" nor jealousy or envy.

DeepFried said:

iwien, I think you have buzz butter on your lips man.

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Hahaha, buzz butter on the lips? LOL.

DevoTheStrange said:

actually Rick offers other woods than Myrtle... it's just the Myrtlezap appears too be his Flagship, so to speak, of the line of vaporizers he offers (don't forget about the Aromazap)

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I was talking about hardwood. I am aware of the Aromazaps, but they are offered in softwoods.

DeepFried said:

LOL.. iwien, I think you have buzz butter on your lips man.

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Fuck. And here all this time, I thought I was being really discreet about doing that. I gotta make sure my shutters are closed the next time I wanna buff my lips.