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Discontinued The Grasshopper

Baron23

Well-Known Member
just got my hopper in the mail right now.

do both batteries come fully charged.

how long do they usually last you guys.

and for how long should i charge the batteries for? (do not have external battery charger, so im using the gh charger for now.)
Charge it until it starts blinking blue instead of blinking red. RTFM! LOL ;)
 

freebigga

New Member
Charge it until it starts blinking blue instead of blinking red. RTFM! LOL ;)

i started charging at 6:15 or something like that, and i checked at 7:00 and it was blinking blue, i hope i didnt leave it over charging for too long, cuz i dont want no issues with my hopper.
 

caliwisp

Cali Dreamin'
Ok ill ask this again since it seemed to go unnoticed. Do you guys use the organic cotton balls for concentrates with your GH? Or has anyone tried those cotton pads for vaping/cleaning makeup? Will you get a similar result with both?

Also, can the mighty or firefly concentrate pads be cut to fit in the chamber of GH and vape it properly? or will you not end up getting as good of results compared to the cotton ball? i would like the vape concentrates but dont want to carry around cotton with me. So if anyone has an idea for a screen that will not impede the device's performance and that is a more permanent solution, im all ears.

I'm with you @christohari - somebody needs to make a little ss concentrate pad for the GH. I heard of some folks who have the right cutting tools chopping down other pads for the Pax but dunno if anybody has done it for the GH. If somebody had a metal punch accessible they could use that but it's a serious piece of equipment. I tried organic cotton two ways -- cotton balls are too amorphous to contain the mess I think -- the pressed cosmetic pads are easy to cut into the size/shape you want. I find that if I cut them a little larger than the chamber bore I can make a little concentrate sandwich that really works great and contains any goopy mess. You just pluck it out and throw it away. Though I have heard of people soaking this in a high-proof alcohol and making a tincture. There is still some goodness left.

Maybe you can help me out...I have seen my GH seem to shut off during a very long and very slow draw. I have thought that I was just not drawing fast enough and the over temp sensor kicked in (I don't think I timed out at 15 Sec but maybe). Turn it back on, it works perfectly and I don't get this if I increase my draw rate just a bit.

Is this how yours seems to work?
Ya @Baron23 that is the design, unfortunately. It has an auto shutoff if it thinks nobody is hitting it. It doesn't register slow or shallow draws very well unfortunately, which means if you like to sip it, it will shut itself off. Wish the sensitivity of the draw sensor were adjustable.
 
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Kalessin

Well-Known Member
Its so hard to tell from pictures which can distort, and you said it was lighter than appears, but that appears to be pretty good in my book.

Might want to try 3/4 to full oven and see if you get anything different. Just a thought
I was doing about double that today on my breaks, and it was coming out a nice deep brown. Also went back to a very fine grind which seems to have an effect.
 
Kalessin,

JJ420

chillin on the couch, sippin off a 22 ounce.
Been using my Hopper daily for a couple of months now. Here are my long-term impressions of the unit:

- Best discreet portable unit. Discreet being the key word here because this is the major point of the Grasshopper I feel. A Mighty will undoubtedly blow it away in terms of performance, but it has absolutely zero stealth factor. This is where the GH shines above all else. I take it to my job and set it on my workstation with the rest of my personal items. Nobody bats an eye at the thing, ever.

- Super quick heat up time - though it starts to climb exponentially as the battery wears down. I can usually get up to four decent rips before a few things start happening: battery gets drained, stainless tip gets uncomfortably hot, and herb is spent.

- Charging device is slick, though a quicker charging unit for all four batteries would be nicer to have on many occasions.

- Loading the unit is easy though it can get messy. Kief can gunk up the super fine threads thus making screwing the tip back on a pain.

- Ease of use. Compared to many other portables, getting decent sized clouds is a breeze. Operating temp's range basically all falls between 3-4 only. Going any lower than that on the dial is useless.

All in all, the GH is essential for bringing to work or using in any situation where stealth is paramount. I wouldn't want one as my only vape or even as a home unit for that matter, but on the go it has performed flawlessly day after day allowing me to be ripped non-stop throughout my workdays.
 

EntheogenMystic

I am you and you are me
I think my hopper died already, just got it today too. The LED's basically turn blue immediately, if they turn red, it's only for a split second. Then it doesn't produce any heat and the auto shut off kicks in no matter how hard I draw. Anyone have anything similar happen?
 
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freebigga

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ive used it for less than 4 hours, and im seeing some issues. the charger was working fine, and then when i would plug it in or connect it, after using up both batteries. the red light wouldnt blink or charge it.

i thought it was charging but it was not. i tried to get the charger to work, plugged it in an outlet still didnt work.

it wasnt until i grabbed the hopper by the charger cable to look at in disappointment the red.light started to blink again.

its been blinking non stop for a couple minutes. i dont remember if that meant that it was charging, when i charged the batteries earlier.

also battery life kind of sucks, it wont last you very long.

I think my hopper died already, just got it today too. The LED's basically turn blue immediately, if they turn red, it's only for a split second. Then it doesn't produce any heat and the auto shut off kicks in no matter how hard I draw. Anyone have anything similar happen?

damn man that sucks. right now i am trying to charge my hopper. its been like 1 hour and the res lights are still blinking and not blue yet, also i cant use it while its charging.

this is terrible lol. i want to use my hopper.

so instead of it charging and blinking really really fast, kike it was just now. just wasted over an hour on that, abd its not charged.

i tried to put it to charge again and now its blinking red about every 10 secs. so i have to try and wait another hour .

the clicker, is acting kind of sticky, it feels sticky when i click. kind of harder to click now than earlier.

also this weird little noise, when i try to turn on for use, with fast blinking red lights.

aaaaannndddd its gone


my hopper is certaingly dead.

will file my warranty claim 2mmrow.

im too tired today.

Mod note: Four posts merged
 
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jivebuggered

Well-Known Member
I'm with you @christohari - somebody needs to make a little ss concentrate pad for the GH. I heard of some folks who have the right cutting tools chopping down other pads for the Pax but dunno if anybody has done it for the GH. If somebody had a metal punch accessible they could use that but it's a serious piece of equipment. I tried organic cotton two ways -- cotton balls are too amorphous to contain the mess I think -- the pressed cosmetic pads are easy to cut into the size/shape you want. I find that if I cut them a little larger than the chamber bore I can make a little concentrate sandwich that really works great and contains any goopy mess. You just pluck it out and throw it away. Though I have heard of people soaking this in a high-proof alcohol and making a tincture. There is still some goodness left.


Ya @Baron23 that is the design, unfortunately. It has an auto shutoff if it thinks nobody is hitting it. It doesn't register slow or shallow draws very well unfortunately, which means if you like to sip it, it will shut itself off. Wish the sensitivity of the draw sensor were adjustable.


Being a old fart with not the best guts for doing long slow draws anymore your comments worry me concerning sipping and cutting off. I have owned and sold most of the convection vaps (as some members already know),due to having to suck too much pre air and its effect on my guts. I thought with the hopper it would be easy to "prime" (couple of quick draws like with a cigarette or pipe before taking a longer draw) due to its short air path? Can anyone comment on this? Are you priming it first before taking a slightly long draw and has it been effective without cutout switch activating? Thanks
 
jivebuggered,

Delta3DStudios

Well-Known Member
Accessory Maker
Hopper arrived yesterday, exactly 15 months after ordering it!

So far working decent, although mine does have an unusually hot back end compared to my previous hopper experience. I'm going to suck it up and deal with it for now - I'm sure the hopper will die eventually from something else :lol:

ive used it for less than 4 hours, and im seeing some issues. the charger was working fine, and then when i would plug it in or connect it, after using up both batteries. the red light wouldnt blink or charge it.

i thought it was charging but it was not. i tried to get the charger to work, plugged it in an outlet still didnt work.

it wasnt until i grabbed the hopper by the charger cable to look at in disappointment the red.light started to blink again.

its been blinking non stop for a couple minutes. i dont remember if that meant that it was charging, when i charged the batteries earlier.

also battery life kind of sucks, it wont last you very long.

Just a thought - I seem to remember my previous hopper's charger would act funny if I got any serious finger prints around the clicker, or especially on the charger cable's magnetic piece.

Did you try an external battery charger? If you don't have one try using a lint-free cloth and gently wiping down both halves of the charging connection (the cable side, and the hopper's back end)

The abv out of my GH trips me out. It comes out so light I keep thinking it has to not be fully extracted, so I'll put it back in and hit it. Get nothing. Take it out and stare at it. It's kind of amazing. I've tried putting it in my vapcap and I can get a bit of vapor out of it with the highest temp hit I'll risk on it, but the vapor seemed pretty inert, felt like it was basically spent already. Unless I put in like a half pack bowl. Gets it nice and toasty brown then.

I'm noticing the same thing - seem to get really nice flavorful hits. I'm getting huge satisfying clouds. Although ABV is coming out lighter than I'd expect.

However I took the ABV out of my Hopper (run up to 5 until all vapor was gone) and tossed into my E-Nano running at 6.8 on the dial (over 410F I'm sure), and hardly got any additional vapor - there was some since I was running at a higher temperature (how much higher I'm not quite sure).

I should note though that ABV color is not a fair representation of extraction. Browning of the herb is simply a byproduct of cooking out the plant's Chlorophyll

I've had vaporizers which turned my ABV nearly dark brown after the first hit, but there was still PLENTY of vapor left in the herb. And I've seen vaporizers like the herbalizer which hardly brown the ABV at all.
 
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btka

Well-Known Member
Hopper arrived yesterday, exactly 15 months after ordering it!

So far working decent, although mine does have an unusually hot back end compared to my previous hopper experience. I'm going to suck it up and deal with it for now - I'm sure the hopper will die eventually from something else :lol:



Just a thought - I seem to remember my previous hopper's charger would act funny if I got any serious finger prints around the clicker, or especially on the charger cable's magnetic piece.

Did you try an external battery charger? If you don't have one try using a lint-free cloth and gently wiping down both halves of the charging connection (the cable side, and the hopper's back end)



I'm noticing the same thing - seem to get really nice flavorful hits. I'm getting huge satisfying clouds. Although ABV is coming out lighter than I'd expect.

However I took the ABV out of my Hopper (run up to 5 until all vapor was gone) and tossed into my E-Nano running at 6.8 on the dial (over 410F I'm sure), and hardly got any additional vapor - there was some since I was running at a higher temperature (how much higher I'm not quite sure).

I should note though that ABV color is not a fair representation of extraction. Browning of the herb is simply a byproduct of cooking out the plant's Chlorophyll

I've had vaporizers which turned my ABV nearly dark brown after the first hit, but there was still PLENTY of vapor left in the herb. And I've seen vaporizers like the herbalizer which hardly brown the ABV at all.
as @Kalessin mentioned befpre if I load just a little pinch my abv also looks like it is not totaly extracted but when I l7ad a little bit more my abv is nice brown.... but I also tested it in my nano which I run hotter then the gh gets and it does not produce much vapor... so I belive the gh is doing a good job...

also I hahe noticed that afull battery works better then a battery where the blue lights begun to flicker...

but until now I am very happy with my gh... beside that I am feeling like using more herb, because of honeymone phase... every morning I feel a afterglow... (like in the combustion days)
 

ElectropoK

Well-Known Member
as @Kalessin mentioned befpre if I load just a little pinch my
also I hahe noticed that afull battery works better then a battery where the blue lights begun to flicker...

Same here :-) Also, not sure but, more flicker sound from the backend when battery is nearly empty.
Funny not a biggie :-)
 

jabba

Well-Known Member
Being a old fart with not the best guts for doing long slow draws anymore your comments worry me concerning sipping and cutting off. I have owned and sold most of the convection vaps (as some members already know),due to having to suck too much pre air and its effect on my guts. I thought with the hopper it would be easy to "prime" (couple of quick draws like with a cigarette or pipe before taking a longer draw) due to its short air path? Can anyone comment on this? Are you priming it first before taking a slightly long draw and has it been effective without cutout switch activating? Thanks

I'd think that (as far as draw resistance) the GH is as good as it gets in the portable vape arena. I bought and quickly sold the FF2 for a variety of reasons....Predominant reason was the long slow resistant draw necessary to operate the device. It just required too much slow pulling, stirring, top on, top off, two fingers must be here, and I despise needing a phone application to change the temps (geez). Great taste and nice cool vapor from the FF2 for sure!...but most def NOT portable, simple, or easy.

I've found the GH to provide amazing hits and hit quantities from astoundingly small quantities of material. A little goes a much longer way in the GH than my Pax1...and unlike the FF2....I feel like I can more easily get all the vapor which was intended from a given amount of material.

If you just place a pinch in the chamber...small enough to be loose....you will have VERY little draw resistance and get superb results. If you choose to pack the chamber you will still get superb results, however, your draw resistance increases based upon how tightly you've packed. Trust me...unless you are a heavy hitter...you need not 'pack' the chamber whatsoever. You can then do a 3-5 second warm up....rip it....turn it off....and move on. 15 seconds total...pocket to pocket. It works like you think it should work.

I feel the need to state (knocking on wood) that I received my SS Hopper 7 days ago and it performs flawlessly. I use it 'natively' as I believe it was intended. I prefer the silicone tip, however, I usually rip one or maybe two consecutive rips....turning the GH off 75% through the inhale. This helps to reduce the inevitable heat created by a vape with this form factor. I disagree with other posters that anything below temp setting 3-3.5 is worthless. Even on temp setting 1....a longer slower draw produces results...less heat....and superior flavor. The difference between a single heat setting is pronounced...and 5 is VERY hot...while 1 is quite low. I've never attached the charger....but use a Nitecore D2. Most charges in the Nitecore take 60-75 minutes. I typically get through a day+ with a battery.

I know that many folks have defective Hoppers. No doubt there is an unusually high rate of failure...and particularly amongst older units. That said, it seems possible that newbie Hopper owners get super stoned super quickly with their Hoppers...then nitpick and post about every detail of the device....whether their GH is actually performing correctly or not. It isn't like many of you haven't had over a year to read the instruction manual! :) At this juncture...the GH is my holy grail vape...my sole device....my daily driver...and I do not desire a desktop or complimentary portable device. I have an additional SS which should arrive this week providing me a backup from (what seems) my inevitable GH failure. I also still have my original pre-order awaiting shipment from Hopper Labs. I'm a huge fan of this device.

While I have no issues with the varying ways that folks will inevitably use their hoppers, I can't help but think that it was not intended to be kept on temperature setting 5 and ripped continuously through a glass water pipe.....changing batteries every few rips....while passing it around ad nauseum. I personally haven't pulled a bong hit in nearly 25 years and have no desire to do so. If I desired this type of session use...I would purchase a quality desktop vaporizer...and use it as intended. I do not desire this type of use....thus I purchased a GH. Again...I'm not denigrating other GH owners for their methods of use...but a tiny, quick, stealthy, powerful, and highly portable pen vape is not imo intended to be used (continuously) through glass. Respectfully....I don't really want to hear any arguments on this topic....there are no valid arguments to be made.

The GH is an electronic one hitter that really works marvelously. A small amount of loose material in the chamber provides several quality rips...much more than a similar amount packed into a real combustible one hitter.

The GH is what it is...and does 'it' very well. For light users....a pinch in the GH will go a LONG way and provide feedback that is VERY similar to combustion (lung busting rips, clouds, heat etc). For heavy users....a more plentiful and frequent pack...and possibly temp stepping...should make even the most temperamental stoner happy.
 
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jabba

Well-Known Member
Well, nothing like an open mind, eh? LOL

I'm not trying to be a jerk. I just can't fathom why so many are using such a portable device as the heat source and chamber for their glass rigs. After chugging at temp 5 for days on end I have little doubt that the device could fail. Do you think Hopper Labs designed this thing to be a home use vape to be attached to a glass rig?....or do you think this is intended as a portable device? The heat that the GH will produce on temp 5 sitting in glass must be VERY VERY high...and not likely to be beneficial to the integrity of the device. Ya...I've seen all the review videos proclaiming how great the GH is when connected to a glass rig...good marketing I s'pose...makes the kids scream like when the Beatles first came to the US in 1964.

I had tried to be respectful...I understand that folks will use the device in any way they wish...and I'm open to such experimentation. I simply don't believe that an argument could be made that the GH is DESIGNED or INTENDED to be operated in this way. Now a Volcano....that is a different story. I don't see Ferrari owners attempting a Colorado Continental Divide crossing in mid January!
 
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Bdubbdiblets

Well-Known Member
it seems possible that newbie Hopper owners get super stoned super quickly with their Hoppers...then nitpick and post about every detail of the device....whether their GH is actually performing correctly or not. It isn't like many of you haven't had over a year to read the instruction manual! :)

Agreed, I thought this could be me...however a buddy of mine has a fully healthy SS (from same seller I bought mine :)) We spent last night comparing and my poor hopper is certainly sick..didn't expect my back up investment to payoff so quick but now I'm certainly glad I have one coming. It drains a battery in 2 hits and the backend gets very very hot. It also appears to have a more glossy finish than my friends healthy hopper..which seems more matte. Perhaps it's from another batch. I use it very similarly to you @jabba. I also feel that it is intended to be a one hitter and does so unbelievably well. I feel grateful to be a cannabis consumer in the hopper age. I am staying positive that the warranty process will be smooth and it's something easy..I'm crossing my fingers..however not holding my breath.;)
 
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moondog

It's an obsession but it's pleasin'
I'm not trying to be a jerk. I just can't fathom why so many are using such a portable device as the heat source and chamber for their glass rigs. After chugging at temp 5 for days on end I have little doubt that the device could fail. Do you think Hopper Labs designed this thing to be a home use vape to be attached to a glass rig?....or do you think this is intended as a portable device? The heat that the GH will produce on temp 5 sitting in glass must be VERY VERY high...and not likely to be beneficial to the integrity of the device. Ya...I've seen all the review videos proclaiming how great the GH is when connected to a glass rig...good marketing I s'pose...makes the kids scream like when the Beatles first came to the US in 1964.

I had tried to be respectful...I understand that folks will use the device in any way they wish...and I'm open to such experimentation. I simply don't believe that an argument could be made that the GH is DESIGNED or INTENDED to be operated in this way. Now a Volcano....that is a different story. I don't see Ferrari owners attempting a Colorado Continental Divide crossing in mid January!

The ability to function as either a standalone stealth portable or the engine of a home rig with glass is one of the things that makes the hopper so attractive to me. Of course, my usage pattern does not include long sessions. I'm talking just a few hits.

It doesn't make sense to me that HL would design their heater/device to include a temp setting that would damage the unit, so I have to believe using it on temp 5 is not a problem.

I just checked the manual (online, since I'm still waiting for an actual hopper) and I didn't see anything listed there in terms of warnings, but I thought I remembered reading somewhere that the hopper has overheating protecting and will turn off if things get too hot for the unit.
 

Baron23

Well-Known Member
I had tried to be respectful...

haha...well, you missed...and dude, you are taking yourself way too serious...just perhaps?

I do think a very valid argument can be made for attaching almost any vape to a water tool for benefit. As for operating temp of the GH, not sure who said anything about needing to operate at temp level 5. But I do find about 4.2 is the heart of the envelope for me and that's about 385 F. Five is 410. This 25 degrees is significant risk? Talking about original design intent, do you think they added Temp 5 with the idea that it can't and shouldn't be used as its too hot?

Now, as I said in my rather longish post, I like the GH as a 2-3 hitter, hit and run, type of vape which is what I wanted it for primarily. So you and I seem to value the same use case. But I don't see any issue with connecting one up to a water tool at all.

I'm not trying to talk you into a water tool nor even change your mind. But there are definitely arguments for using water tools and discussing the limits of what Hopper Lab engineers designed it for it pure speculation and a waste of time.

But I do hope you have a great day and your GH keeps on chugging for you.
 

TheWhisper

Well-Known Member
haha...well, you missed...and dude, you are taking yourself way too serious...just perhaps?

I do think a very valid argument can be made for attaching almost any vape to a water tool for benefit. As for operating temp of the GH, not sure who said anything about needing to operate at temp level 5. But I do find about 4.2 is the heart of the envelope for me and that's about 385 F. Five is 410. This is significant risk? Talking about original design intent, did they add Temp 5 with the idea that it shouldn't be used as its too hot?

I'm not trying to talk you into a water tool nor even change your mind. But there are definitely arguments for using water tools and discussing the limits of what Hopper Lab engineers designed it for it pure speculation and a waste of time.

But I do hope you have a great day and your GH keeps on chugging for you.

There is absolutely a difference between T5 for one hit every once in a while versus T5 for 20 hits over a 15 minute period. Ignoring the overheating issue (which may or may not exist), it seems likely that there would be other forms of wear and tear on the heater. Not to mention the cycle of rapid battery on-off discharging.

I'm not an electrical engineer, of course, so I can't say with certainty.

Do I think using it with a water tool at T5 is a problem? No. Could using it with a water tool at T5 and rapidly cycling it on and off for many hits be a problem? Probably not, but maybe.
 

slcbdco

Brewer, Lobbyist, Vaporist
I feel grateful to be a cannabis consumer in the hopper age.

Here Here!


I enjoy the incredible versatility of this vape. Can you use it as an e-bong? Yup!

Couch bubbler session? sure

Packed super tight with stealthy cloudless vapor? Absolutley

Packed loosely for huge flavorful clouds? No problem.

A dab in some cotton? why not

A dab in some cotton and some bud underneath, caviar? TREAT YO SELF!


I agree with @jabba in that while the grasshopper can be used a variety of ways, there is, in my experience of having a grasshopper for about a year where I went from a smoker who vaped for novelty to now the grasshopper is primary to consume cannabis, tobacco and all kinds of herbs, there is certainly an "optimal" way to use the Grasshopper, for which it is really designed which is quick stealthy rips anywhere. I find when I use it that way, like out at the baseball game last week the battery life is totally fine and you can maintain a nice bird the whole time.


My "preferred" way of using the GH is more as a "cannasuer" device. By that I mean, pinch of bud and temp step from 2.5 up to 5 over 7-10 rips. Battery life isn't great that way, but that's what spare batteries are for.

I can't speak to whether using the Grasshoppper as dab rig or bong impacts reliability as although I do those things sometimes, I don't all that often. However I will say having gone through several versions, I think quality control is way up and regardless of use method a. a failed device failed, the owner doesn't care why b. there is a lifetime warranty but most importantly c. I think if it failed for any reason outside of truly uncontemplated uses, it's more likely just a defect in this incredible, crazy, brand new alien alcehmey technology.

My current Grasshopper is going strong since December and it's used ALL day, right now even!
 

jabba

Well-Known Member
haha...well, you missed...and dude, you are taking yourself way too serious...just perhaps?

I do think a very valid argument can be made for attaching almost any vape to a water tool for benefit. As for operating temp of the GH, not sure who said anything about needing to operate at temp level 5. But I do find about 4.2 is the heart of the envelope for me and that's about 385 F. Five is 410. This 25 degrees is significant risk? Talking about original design intent, do you think they added Temp 5 with the idea that it can't and shouldn't be used as its too hot?

Now, as I said in my rather longish post, I like the GH as a 2-3 hitter, hit and run, type of vape which is what I wanted it for primarily. So you and I seem to value the same use case. But I don't see any issue with connecting one up to a water tool at all.

I'm not trying to talk you into a water tool nor even change your mind. But there are definitely arguments for using water tools and discussing the limits of what Hopper Lab engineers designed it for it pure speculation and a waste of time.

But I do hope you have a great day and your GH keeps on chugging for you.

Ha......you'd be the first to claim that I take anything too seriously....so thanks for that :)

My comments were solely in relation to the GH intended use. Surely a glass rip or two is not more of a burden on the device than using it 'natively'. Some posters indicate heavy usage via glass and at high temps...which imo is simply not likely an intended use or design of the GH product. It does sure look to work superbly with glass...and that is awesome! Is this use type causing premature failure of devices?...I do not know.

I am merely suggesting that if a person has the ability and desire to have sessions and rip tubes in their living rooms...I'd think that there are more reliable and appropriate devices which are specifically designed for such a use. For me...the GH is a pocket hero...capable of providing quick rips in a single bound. I can take a quick leak in the bathroom and take a rip in mere seconds....without combusting....do it quickly, easily and cleanly...imo the intended use of the GH.

I hadn't intended to make a mountain out of a mole hill. Perhaps I'm just getting old...and perhaps I just don't totally 'understand' all this vaporizer to glass tube ripping business...particularly when one is connecting a PORTABLE vape to glass. There is nothing finicky about operating a fully functional GH....it is the easiest vape to use that I've ever come across. The thousands of posts about failed GH's does add question as to how robust the design and materials within the GH perform over time (sometimes for a very short time) Until the GH durability is enhanced, I'd hesitate to use the device in potentially unintended fashions or ways which push the device to its absolute limits. Just sayin'....now lets hop along little grasshoppers.
 
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