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@theCerberus I'll delete my previous comment since it seems like an attack to you and I will refrain from posting anything negative.

Morimoto said:

@theCerberus I'll delete my previous comment since it seems like an attack to you and I will refrain from posting anything negative.

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I don't think you should delete your posts as your experiences with Canadian Cannabis Clinics is a valuable resource to other potential patients so they know what to expect. However I think we should take this to a new thread so we can discuss this further. I am interested to hear about others experiences as I hear a lot of the same.

Morimoto said:

@theCerberus I'll delete my previous comment since it seems like an attack to you and I will refrain from posting anything negative.

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Sorry. I didnt really want you to delete the posts either. Your review is what you experience.
Hell, I even agree old piss tests are gross.
I just think you are being a little harsh on doctors who are cutting us some slack and prescribing an option others wont.

You went to the clinic because you felt like you needed cannabis as a medical treatment and they agreed. Because it went through OHIP and no money was exchanged, you got an unbiased medical opinion from a knowledgeable professional of whether you need it or not.

I am sure you asked your family doctor and specialists and they treated you worse by denying you altogether and sent you to the street, thereby exposing you to legal issues.
Thats what my doctors did to me. They laughed it off and said they wouldnt be comfortable with that kind of treatment, even with all the medical studies I have showing it works and my own anecdotal evidence.
For ~9 years I was trying to get into MMAR/MMPR while others with the same condition were approved. Some clinics were charging $600 back then. I refused to pay. I knew that wasnt right.

I am very grateful for these clinics opening and even considering prescribing me cannabis.
But with legalization looming this entire system is too little too late.
We need to be tax exempt for medical cannabis or there is no point in even having a script.

I didn't ask to go to the clinic, nor have I ever mentioned MMJ to my Doctor. My doctor recommended it and I told him that I didn't think it was a good idea because the MMPR is screwed up and he said "let's just try it and see" So technically I was not asking for MMJ, I actually asked for an Oxy refill lol

I was fully shocked and stunned walking home from that doctors appointment.. I couldn't stop saying out loud to myself "Did I just go in for a simple refill and he wants to send me to a cannabis clinic?! WTF?! did that really happen?!" It was the last thing I expected that day!

I knew it was going to be a shit show and I was right, I was happier before just getting stoned and enjoying the side benefits medicinally.

I sincerely apologize if I offended anyone with my previous comments!!!!

@Morimoto I am interested to know if by using cannabis you can reduce or eliminate the need for narcotics to help you deal with your discomfort. I don't think there is much science behind the use of mj for chronic pain. We are pretty much guinea pigs as far as knowing what and how much to use or to know if it even helps at all.

George1151 said:

@Morimoto I am interested to know if by using cannabis you can reduce or eliminate the need for narcotics to help you deal with your discomfort. I don't think there is much science behind the use of mj for chronic pain. We are pretty much guinea pigs as far as knowing what and how much to use or to know if it even helps at all.

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We're past the scope of this thread and way off topic, BUT I'll still answer!

I do not suffer from chronic pain (my understanding is that chronic pain is a condition all on it's own), I suffer from inflammation that causes pain, so cannabis reducing the overall inflammation is excellent for me. Cannabis contains cannabinoids that are COX inhibitors and TNF blockers, both things that I would otherwise take medications for. Experimental TNF blockers in particular almost killed me, I was done with experiments after that.

The Oxycodone is a last resort, I only take it when I have a massive flare of inflammation, Ankylosing Spondilitis sucks reallllllly bad when it's flared up, I'm in the rare category that actually needs opiates on hand 24/7 marijuana will never change that.

Back on topic now!! I hope Aurora gets the info they need so I can get my free $50 sign up credit and try some of the newer cannatonic they just added (second batch named differently) I MIGHT be happy with 5 grams or so of that every month

Morimoto said:

I didn't ask to go to the clinic, nor have I ever mentioned MMJ to my Doctor. My doctor recommended it and I told him that I didn't think it was a good idea because the MMPR is screwed up and he said "let's just try it and see" So technically I was not asking for MMJ, I actually asked for an Oxy refill lol

I was fully shocked and stunned walking home from that doctors appointment.. I couldn't stop saying out loud to myself "Did I just go in for a simple refill and he wants to send me to a cannabis clinic?! WTF?! did that really happen?!" It was the last thing I expected that day!

I knew it was going to be a shit show and I was right, I was happier before just getting stoned and enjoying the side benefits medicinally.

I sincerely apologize if I offended anyone with my previous comments!!!!

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There is no special requirement for a doctor that writes cannabis prescriptions. Your doctor could have written it himself. He didnt want to. Thats why he sent you to the cannabis clinic. You could tell your doctor that you feel uncomfortable going there and ask him to write the script himself and see what happens. He may not put any THC % restriction either. Just make a solid case for it, explaining that you tried the low THC and it is not working.

Morimoto said:

I do not suffer from chronic pain (my understanding is that chronic pain is a condition all on it's own), I suffer from inflammation that causes pain, so cannabis reducing the overall inflammation is excellent for me. Cannabis contains cannabinoids that are COX inhibitors and TNF blockers, both things that I would otherwise take medications for. Experimental TNF blockers in particular almost killed me, I was done with experiments after that.

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Based on what you just said you do suffer from chronic pain.
It is not a condition, the definition is just based on time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_pain

I am on experimental interluken blockers and would rather be on it and cannabis over opiates. JMO.

I'm interested in this also. I had no idea these guys restricts their patients prescriptions. Sounds like some doctors have gone from not even considering writing a prescription to getting on the OHIP gravy train and riding it until recreational legalization makes this all go away. I assume they're billing OHIP for every piss test and follow up visit? In the 9 months I've been legal I've never been called in for a follow up. I paid for my prescription unfortunately and was hoping I wouldn't have to when I renew but if this is the alternative I'll pass. I've still got 3 months to work on my family doctor to write the renewal herself and save $100. She seems to be warming to the idea so who knows.

Mainoffender said:

I'm interested in this also. I had no idea these guys restricts their patients prescriptions. Sounds like some doctors have gone from not even considering writing a prescription to getting on the OHIP gravy train and riding it until recreational legalization makes this all go away. I assume they're billing OHIP for every piss test and follow up visit? In the 9 months I've been legal I've never been called in for a follow up. I paid for my prescription unfortunately and was hoping I wouldn't have to when I renew but if this is the alternative I'll pass. I've still got 3 months to work on my family doctor to write the renewal herself and save $100. She seems to be warming to the idea so who knows.

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All doctors are on the "OHIP Gravy train" in Ontario.
This concept that they are milking anything is nonsense.
If they charge you extra for a doctors appointment/assessment its just plain wrong. They arent legally allowed to charge you money.

There are some doctor services that do require money (doctors notes, non essential plastic surgery, dentistry, etc.) but a basic assessment and script is not one of them.

Source (see 3. Charging Fees):
http://www.cpso.on.ca/policies-publications/policy/medical-marijuana

It is really hard to get a family doctor in this country because a lot of them arent taking patients.
THEY HAVE TOO MANY. THEY ARE TOO BUSY.
If they dont have enough, they can just open it up to walk in.
Every walk in clinic I've ever been to is busy until close.
No doctor is feeling like they need extra patients nor are they profiting from urine tests.
That's just nonsense. They get reimbursed for the cost of their work by OHIP. No more, no less.

It is a right in this country to have basic health care!
Additionally the act of taking money for a prescription is just plain wrong too.
It is against the college and is likely illegal.
Money cannot influence a medical decision like this in Canada.

These doctors are just being strict so they dont lose their licenses.
The pee tests are part of this strictness.
They are testing to see if you are actually using the cannabis and not something harder instead.
They are also seeing if you are honest (I was prescribed opiates before one of the tests so I let them know, I assume I would have been called out if I didn't).
Same with the follow ups. They are tracking progress to see if cannabis is effective for you or not.
What the college is very worried about is doctors not treating it seriously, people seem to go on cannabis unmonitored and "self-medicate" and they would like to see are more regulated, slow and steady, trial and error type approach.

That doesnt mean every time you go to one of these clinics you get screwed with a low THC % and low gram count. These doctors are reasonable people. They just want it written in your charts that they tried it the colleges way and it didnt work.
They also need to look for things like addiction symptoms, and try to prevent triggering psychosis or schizophrenia by taking it slow. You cant really be mad because they are doctors and take precautions...
They decrease the frequency of visits once they see progression and the cannabis is working well.
I started at 3 months and went to 4 and now I'm at 6 months.
The idea is that some people may go on medical cannabis and never get off.
Sadly some people have chronic and terminal illness that cant be helped by other medicine, so they have no choice.
But ideally they would like see the people get better and slowly ween them off like every other narcotic.
Honestly, if there was a cure for my illness I wouldnt need medical cannabis, and I truly hope that time comes in my lifetime.

theCerberus said:

All doctors are on the "OHIP Gravy train" in Ontario.
This concept that they are milking anything is nonsense.
If they charge you extra for a doctors appointment/assessment its just plain wrong. They arent legally allowed to charge you money.

There are some doctor services that do require money (doctors notes, non essential plastic surgery, dentistry, etc.) but a basic assessment and script is not one of them.

Source (see 3. Charging Fees):
http://www.cpso.on.ca/policies-publications/policy/medical-marijuana

It is really hard to get a family doctor in this country because a lot of them arent taking patients.
THEY HAVE TOO MANY. THEY ARE TOO BUSY.
If they dont have enough, they can just open it up to walk in.
Every walk in clinic I've ever been to is busy until close.
No doctor is feeling like they need extra patients nor are they profiting from urine tests.
That's just nonsense. They get reimbursed for the cost of their work by OHIP. No more, no less.

It is a right in this country to have basic health care!
Additionally the act of taking money for a prescription is just plain wrong too.
It is against the college and is likely illegal.
Money cannot influence a medical decision like this in Canada.

These doctors are just being strict so they dont lose their licenses.
The pee tests are part of this strictness.
They are testing to see if you are actually using the cannabis and not something harder instead.
They are also seeing if you are honest (I was prescribed opiates before one of the tests so I let them know, I assume I would have been called out if I didn't).
Same with the follow ups. They are tracking progress to see if cannabis is effective for you or not.
What the college is very worried about is doctors not treating it seriously, people seem to go on cannabis unmonitored and "self-medicate" and they would like to see are more regulated, slow and steady, trial and error type approach.

That doesnt mean every time you go to one of these clinics you get screwed with a low THC % and low gram count. These doctors are reasonable people. They just want it written in your charts that they tried it the colleges way and it didnt work.
They also need to look for things like addiction symptoms, and try to prevent triggering psychosis or schizophrenia by taking it slow. You cant really be mad because they are doctors and take precautions...
They decrease the frequency of visits once they see progression and the cannabis is working well.
I started at 3 months and went to 4 and now I'm at 6 months.
The idea is that some people may go on medical cannabis and never get off.
Sadly some people have chronic and terminal illness that cant be helped by other medicine, so they have no choice.
But ideally they would like see the people get better and slowly ween them off like every other narcotic.
Honestly, if there was a cure for my illness I wouldnt need medical cannabis, and I truly hope that time comes in my lifetime.

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I don't know where to begin.....so I won't except to respectfully disagree. It won't matter in a few years anyways unless the government plans on regulating THC content in the recreational market. With Bill Blair in charge of the file they just might.

Back on topic

Aurora processed everything and I made my 1st order today, they had 2 strains and 2 blends that were not on the public webpage, but once logging in they were there for me to order, Strawberry cough and AK47 both at 15% and fit within my prescription, and 2 10thc/10cbd borealis blends along with the 2 cannatonic strains. With the $50 sign up credit, and $5 compassion pricing, my monthly 15 grams came out to $28 after tax, that's a price I can appreciate!

Very happy with Aurora from a customer service perspective, they were extremely fast at processing my registration, and compassion registration. I'm looking forward to vaping my first order of medicinal cannabis!

Don't let the 15% on the Aurora AK47 fool you it hits hard.

George1151 said:

Don't let the 15% on the Aurora AK47 fool you it hits hard.

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I was very happy to see AK47 when I logged in, AK has NEVER failed me in the past, always a banger! I remember being inside a grow room with AK in production a few years back... that smell was the most intense grow room smell I ever whiffed in my life (only been in a few lol)

free purolator express shipping confirmation already and delivery for tomorrow, wow is Aurora always that fast?!?!?!

George1151 said:

Don't let the 15% on the Aurora AK47 fool you it hits hard.

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lol, aurora ak47 its terrible. its one of 2 strains (kosher kush is the other one) they didnt flush or cure. it smells foul. it vapes foul. it burns to black ash. its really bad (JMO).

I'm fairly certain the ak47 and kosher kush are not grown by aurora, it is likely grown by tweed and sold to them. the identical THC % levels and smells seem to indicate that.

Just got the '91 K-OG Chemdawg and Blue Dream from Aurora.

They are still shipping the Boveda outside the bottle, but they included 2 this time (one for each container) which I am happy about.

The '91 K-OG Chemdawg is very sad looking, dry ass bud. It broke into a fair amount of shake on shipping and has pretty much no aroma. Their description of "pungent" is far from correct. This one requires boveda to return its humidity levels. would have been nice if it was shipped with boveda inside so it wouldnt have fallen apart so much.
Havent tried it out yet. Will post back if its good.

The blue dream is alright. Smells like it should. Decent little popcorn buds with a mediocre sativa effect, nothing special, but not bad none the less. The bud is an ok moisture level and doesnt need boveda, although it doesnt hurt.

@theCerberus You Sir are 100% correct about the AK47, I just got it and the THC is fine, I got hella stoned, BUT man,..... you are soooo right, they didn't flush it or something and I really think this can't be aurora grown. I only got 5g of it so i'm not losing sleep.

Anyhoo for $28 ill vape the 15 grams of various strains I got from Aurora happily The 2nd Cannatonic strain "Sentinel" smells and looks wonderrrful.

theCerberus said:

lol, aurora ak47 its terrible. its one of 2 strains (kosher kush is the other one) they didnt flush or cure. it smells foul. it vapes foul. it burns to black ash. its really bad (JMO).

I'm fairly certain the ak47 and kosher kush are not grown by aurora, it is likely grown by tweed and sold to them. the identical THC % levels and smells seem to indicate that.

Just got the '91 K-OG Chemdawg and Blue Dream from Aurora.

They are still shipping the Boveda outside the bottle, but they included 2 this time (one for each container) which I am happy about.

The '91 K-OG Chemdawg is very sad looking, dry ass bud. It broke into a fair amount of shake on shipping and has pretty much no aroma. Their description of "pungent" is far from correct. This one requires boveda to return its humidity levels. would have been nice if it was shipped with boveda inside so it wouldnt have fallen apart so much.
Havent tried it out yet. Will post back if its good.

The blue dream is alright. Smells like it should. Decent little popcorn buds with a mediocre sativa effect, nothing special, but not bad none the less. The bud is an ok moisture level and doesnt need boveda, although it doesnt hurt.

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What did you think of the 32% K-OG chemdawg?

I missed out on the blue dream as that went really fast and I only have a smaller portion of my script allocated to Aurora so ordering limits are a bit of a pain sometimes. Meanwhile my other LP has lots of room to order.

mikek9 said:

What did you think of the 32% K-OG chemdawg?

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Pretty lousy in appearance and smell. Advertised as "pungent" but far from it. I would have never bought this strain if i could see and smell it at a dispensary. It came really really dry and needed a boveda to bring it back to a good humidity. The biggest bud is a nickel wide. Most arent more than 0.5cm. Just tiny, sad, little buds.

It produces a large amount of vapor, but it is not very a pleasant in taste. it smells musty, like an old basement closet or something similar.

I fully regret buying this strain. Its effects are not really helpful for my symptoms, and it taste bad.

If I had to guess, I'd say this was produced by Tweed. Its completely inconsistent with what I'd consider to be the decently grown (with the exception of seeds) Aurora strains, and extremely consistent with the Tweed products (very similar to their chemdog) I had when I was a member.

The blue dream is pretty nice. Smells like it should. Good humidity left in it, and it doesnt really need boveda. Vapes good, nice pleasant taste. sweet, blueberry like aroma.

Amazes me that these 2 would come from the same company/growers.
How can they not distinguish what smells pleasant?
I hate that Aurora would put its name on lousy products, just because they hit THC % levels.
I thought we had an understanding when they pulled their awful "Kosher Kush", but they continue with this nonsense.

When will an LP respect themselves and patients enough to throw away or greatly discount crops that dont meet AAA+ quality levels? pricing at shelf quality should be a normal thing for the market. instead we get LPs charging $15/g for stuff that would need to be greatly discounted or turned into extracts to even be moving at a dispensary, all because 1 random sample of a multiple plant lot has tested high THC % level.

I know Aurora has some decent pricing $8/g ($5/g compassion), but I still feel ripped off for having purchased something I dont want or need based on a description that does not match the product. I just want them to be honest. I get more honestly from a street dealer...

I honestly dont think the THC % is accurate at all anymore. It doesnt help that it doesnt tell potency because of the entourage effect, but their way of testing is completely absurd as well. If every lot is a different THC % it stands to reason every plant is a different THC % and it also stands to reason that every bud on that plant has a different THC % because the light source never reaches the lower/mid buds as much as the top colas, the physical variables are clearly different.

If they test a big cola bud and split it up evenly, they can get the same results in their lab and others.
Health Canada's tests never come back different because they are given the same "selected" sample, but the rest of the plants and subsequent buds will never be tested!
That is madness to think this test could possibly imply every single bud in that room is the same THC % just because its a clone. If that were true than the next batch, grown the exact same way, should be the exact same THC %, and it NEVER is.
I rarely receive top colas, and if I do, they are often mixed with popcorn buds in some containers. How can these be the same? Especially the containers just filled with popcorn buds. or the ones in the same lot that have seeds in one plant/container but not another.

TL;DR, I'm fairly certain the LPs are gaming the system to produce inaccurate, higher THC %.

Not sure if it means anything, but a recent dispensary I visited told me that they knew someone that tested something like 20+ LP's for labs, and they all came back much lower than what the LP was advertising. I bet there is alot of corruption with this entire thing.

Now i'm even afraid to buy something from Tweed! My wife was just approved. Ah well, the Mighty Medic is only $375.... that's gotta be worth it at least!

biohacker said:

Not sure if it means anything, but a recent dispensary I visited told me that they knew someone that tested something like 20+ LP's for labs, and they all came back much lower than what the LP was advertising. I bet there is alot of corruption with this entire thing.

Now i'm even afraid to buy something from Tweed! My wife was just approved. Ah well, the Mighty Medic is only $375.... that's gotta be worth it at least!

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You think that 375 mighty medic is worth buying? I want a decent portable but the arizer air just didn't do it for me. I had to use like 2-3 stems for the effects to get me because of my usage amounts and the limited stem load size.

I also question the accuracy of LP THC reporting, especially Aurora with so many of their high THC strains. I don't think tweed inflated their numbers much as they have so many strains with lower numbers that hit harder than some of the higher potency Aurora strains. But this could also be due to the entourage effect.

The Mighty is my favourite vape after 10 years of vaping exclusively and thousands upon thousands spent on vapes. It's worth buying at retail, let alone $375... you should be able to profit off of that! I agree the Air didn't do it for me, mainly due to the airflow. The Mighty (and Crafty) are a completely different world, and the best portables on the market IMO. In fact, the Mighty beats most desktop vapes i've owned...love using it with a water tool.

Interesting about the Tweed numbers.....

Personally I have a crafty and I dont like it, its mainly conduction, and I need a lot of hits to get me medicated just like the arizer solo and air.... but yes, its not nearly as restricted like those two, and its a more pleasant experience.

I use the firefly 2 when on the go. Convection vapor and dabs seem to work well for me. Conduction/session vapes do not work well because it takes too long to get medicated (2-3 bowls over an hour).
Sure I get high just very slowly, which is not good for symptom relief.
I want relief as fast as possible.

Although the Mighty/Crafty has some conduction, I wouldn't say that it's mainly conduction. I enjoy the convection/conduction combo, it seems to give me the best medication while still being easy on my lungs. I've tried many convection only vapes, and no matter what I do - they rip apart my airways, and it seems like there is something missing. Anytime I switch from convection only to a combo, I actually get some withdrawal symptoms. Probably due to some of the nasties. One thing that I do miss, is the delicately amazing taste of true convection.... like the vrip tech heat wand..... however, with convection comes stirring, and sometimes nasty tastes as well. I completely gave up on the FF2 after reading some reviews. I think there is one for sale in the classifieds from @Bravesst. I would say that the Goboof Alfa, PAX2, and Solo are more conduction vapes. I can also say that with a small mod (MiniVAP flexicone) you can make the Mighty/Crafty pretty darn close to full convection, actually I think it would be full convection. S&B have also recently released the dosing capsules, and many members are stating it actually increases the convection, ironically (they are made of aluminum).

Back on topic....the Mighty thread is so active I can't keep up... check it out @mikek9. You'll definitely find what you need there.

biohacker said:

Although the Mighty/Crafty have some conduction, it's actually a convection vaporizer. I enjoy the combo, it seems to give me the best medication while still being easy on my lungs. I've tried many convection only vapes, and no matter what I do - they rip apart my airways, and it seems like there is something missing. Anytime I switch from convection only to a combo, I actually get some withdrawal symptoms. Probably due to some of the nasties. One thing that I do miss, is the delicately amazing taste of true convection.... like the vrip tech heat wand..... however, with convection comes stirring, and sometimes nasty tastes as well. I completely gave up on the FF2 after reading some reviews. I think there is one for sale in the classifieds from @Bravesst.

Back on topic....the Mighty thread is so active I can't keep up... check it out @mikek9. You'll definitely find what you need there.

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Milaana will satisfy you in all levels, even without conduction. Sick taste, effect and once you get it, ease of use.

biohacker said:

Although the Mighty/Crafty has some conduction, I wouldn't say that it's mainly conduction. I enjoy the convection/conduction combo, it seems to give me the best medication while still being easy on my lungs. I've tried many convection only vapes, and no matter what I do - they rip apart my airways, and it seems like there is something missing. Anytime I switch from convection only to a combo, I actually get some withdrawal symptoms. Probably due to some of the nasties. One thing that I do miss, is the delicately amazing taste of true convection.... like the vrip tech heat wand..... however, with convection comes stirring, and sometimes nasty tastes as well. I completely gave up on the FF2 after reading some reviews. I think there is one for sale in the classifieds from @Bravesst. I would say that the Goboof Alfa, PAX2, and Solo are more conduction vapes. I can also say that with a small mod (MiniVAP flexicone) you can make the Mighty/Crafty pretty darn close to full convection, actually I think it would be full convection. S&B have also recently released the dosing capsules, and many members are stating it actually increases the convection, ironically (they are made of aluminum).

Back on topic....the Mighty thread is so active I can't keep up... check it out @mikek9. You'll definitely find what you need there.

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I feel like were really getting off topic now, but I feel the need to respond as well.
I must have some strong lungs because convection doesnt seem to effect me like that.
I disagree that there are any more "nasties" in convection vs conduction vapor.
the air can be hotter, which is an irritating thing, and could be bad for you, but a lot of vaporizers utilize special vapor paths, fill bags or use water filtration to cool down the vapor before it gets to your lungs.
I disagree that the crafty or mighty are mainly convection as well.
they radiate a lot of heat on the sides of the bowl and if you just leave bud in there it will brown/vaporize. there is definitely a large amount of conduction going on, and some convection, but not enough to medicate me well, and I think thats what is important. enough convection that I feel it fast.
I havent tried the new bowls out, but if they are solid metal on the sides I dont see them removing the conduction effect entirely, thermodynamics simply wouldnt allow it.
What does produce more "nasties" is a higher temperature. but if you arent getting relief at a lower temp, then there is really not much of a choice, and at least its not smoking.

I think if you really look into it, there are some tests done by norml with a volcano and an older globe style conduction vaporizer, and the volcano had similar, if not "cleaner" vapor.

See you in the Mighty thread....many forum members will disagree with you there.

The Norml tests were done by the people who invented the Volcano at MIT as part of a project apparently. The tests are old and insignificant IMO, and those of many others. It's in the Mighty thread. Check it out.

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Will be placing my first order with Tweed (yes, no matter how "crappy" i've read their products to be)! I can't seem to find anywhere else that has 0%THC? NEVER have ever had the pleasure of trying a high CBD 0% THC, it's always had SOME THC in it.