Way to go, Ohio

I can't believe it. In only three months I'll be able to drive to Michigan and legally buy medicine, then legally bring it into Ohio, then legally vape it in my living room! Our governor may be a dick, but no politician has ever done anything like what he did for me yesterday. A year ago I didn't think this would ever happen. To those of you in states where it still has not happened, I wish you luck. Don't give up. If this can happen here, it will happen in your state soon.

Also, I'm glad the selfish stoners who voted No last November are no closer to getting what they want.

Aimless Ryan said:

Also, I'm glad the selfish stoners who voted No last November are no closer to getting what they want.

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Can't help but agree with that sentiment given my own physical disabilities.

As soon as I saw the quote, I knew that's what you were going to say. And we're both right to feel that way.

Seems like you told me privately that you were having a tough time sourcing your medicine several months ago, so I'm happy for you. Maybe we can schedule a trip together to the state up north in a few months.

Your stoners who voted No comment piqued my interest. I'll bite, why'd they vote no? I'm assuming there was a legalization bill in Ohio last go around. Or mmmj I mean, since that's what happened recently.

Sucks about the no flowers policy, I read that in an article somewhere, but congrats on getting all other kinds of mmj goodies.


I really wanted a better bill than Sean Parker's here in CA. But I guess I'll take what I can. I'm already an mmj patient, but legalization will lead to cheaper prices, I hope.

From my perspective, stoners wanted all or nothing, and they chose nothing, even though that kept thousands of legitimate medical patients from being able to have medicine. Issue 3 last fall would have made it legal for everyone. By voting No (overwhelmingly), stoners kept medicine illegal for a lot of people who are afraid to buy it on the black market; who are afraid to use it at all because of its illegality.

Just six weeks ago or so, when I broke my femur into at least three pieces, EMTs went out of their way to get a search warrant of my home before I had even gone to surgery, which ended up in an already-illegal seizure of everything I had (4 vapes, well over 15 grinders, medicine, candy, other things that could not possibly have anything to do with anything illegal, etc.).

All because one asshole EMT saw an empty Adderall bottle on my floor, which had my name on it, legitimately. I haven't seen all of the legal paperwork regarding the search, but he said something about meth manufacture while he was here. Which is fucking ridiculous.

Even though what they took from me will be perfectly legal in three months, which they knew was going to happen, I will probably never see any of that stuff again.

Thankfully Underdog and Underdogette sent me a complementary Underdog to replace the one I had just bought from them a few weeks earlier. They rule.

I saw that in the underdog thread! Shit was crazy. I saw your emt / hospital vid bro. My condolences and I'm glad you got taken care of.

But do you know what the downsides were to the bill?

I'm kind of scared of our bill for legalization in CA. I'm still not sure what I'll do come November. I convince myself that it's for the best, and that legalization will lead to more production, ergo cheaper prices as production scales; but I do not know for sure if I will vote for it. We already have a very good thing with one of the least restrictive mmj bills. To put something else in the mix that is almost apologetic for such a wonderful herb seems to me foolish. A bill with less restrictions would have been best and more protections for the worker. Can't have it all. :/

Do you mean the downsides of the referendum last November?

I can't think of anything specific right now, but there is a thread I started last fall in the activism section, I think, in which people share criticism of the referendum (http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/dear-ohio-stoners-and-users-of-cannabis.19251/).

By the way, I love that video. I wish I could've documented everything. One reason I like it so much is because I don't really remember being there for half of the footage I made (in the ambulance and in the emergency room). And I seem really calm during the ambulance ride. Which is definitely not how I felt inside. I must've been really fucking high on Dilaudid or morphine or something. Also, all I had with me in the ambulance was shorts, underwear, a shirt, and my phone.

I find it hard to believe you're scared of what's going on in California. I don't know what's going on in California, but I do know that whenever I was in California with a backpack, people gave me weed. I wasn't even a user then (except when I had it).

@CarolKing posted some details in this thread about what happened to WA. I'm afraid that we might eventually do the same, but see that thread specifically for why some people think AUMA isn't that great.

Aimless Ryan said:

Seems like you told me privately that you were having a tough time sourcing your medicine several months ago, so I'm happy for you. Maybe we can schedule a trip together to the state up north in a few months.

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Yeah, and it's still a problem. It's not like a 62 year old gray beard like me can walk up to a kid on a skate board and ask him if he knows where I might cop some dank. LOL! That, combined with my somewhat limited mobility makes finding a reliable connection a real challenge! Opioids from the doctor are no problem, but weed is entirely a different story. Bizzaro!

I was sad when Issue 3 failed. The flaws were legit but the good outweighed the bad IMO. It was this state's best chance at a Colorado-like Cannabis policy. Not perfect but better than anything else we were going to get.

My feelings on HB 523 are bittersweet. It also is not perfect...in fact it is far more restrictive than I like. That being said we had no protections before HB 523 and now we do. If at the end of the day it helps keep the state from taking my kids over my choice of medicine then it is a good thing.

My wife should easily qualify with her history of PTSD. I have constant pain in my neck and left shoulder/chest but haven't really gone to any doctors for it except for a chiropractor a few years back. I will jump through whatever hoops necessary to make it happen though.

Aimless Ryan said:

I can't believe it. In only three months I'll be able to drive to Michigan and legally buy medicine, then legally bring it into Ohio, then legally vape it in my living room!

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I'm interested in the details in how you be able to go to Michigan to buy. Don't you have to be a resident of a state that has legalized it? So if you don't have to be a resident of Michigan to get a Cert from a Dr. in Michigan and then fill out the Michigan state MMMP application?

That would be nice as I live 1h 45m to 2h 30m from the nearest Dr./Cert. Center and about the later for a Dispensary. But I'm almost positive that you need a Valid MI Drivers License or State ID on order to see a Dr. and get a Cert.

Good luck in your endeavors and post whatever helpful info you can. Thanks!

From what I understand, the law takes effect 90 days from when the governor signed it. There won't be dispensaries at that point, so Ohioans with valid documentation will be able to get their medicine in states that are already legal.

Well, actually there's nothing yet officially determined in regard to MMJ program reciprocity with other states other than what the administrative entities in Ohio have authority to initiate with other states, based upon certain conditions set out in the final text of HB523.

Here's the language from the final version of the bill for the "affirmative defense", which stipulates the requirements for the individual patient, in conjunction with the requirement and conditions for interstate reciprocity.


SECTION 6.
(B) It is an affirmative defense to a charge of a violation of section
2925.11 or section 2925.141 of the Revised Code relating to marihuana that
the individual is a patient or parent or guardian of a patient who is a minor
and who meets both of the following requirements:
(1) A physician issued a written recommendation certifying all of the
following:
(a) That a bona fide physician-patient relationship exists between the
physician and patient;
(b) That the patient has been diagnosed with a qualifying medical
condition;
(c) That the physician or physician delegate has requested from the drug
database a report of information related to the patient that covers at least the
twelve months immediately preceding the date of the report;
(d) That the physician has informed the patient or the patient's parent or
guardian of the risks and benefits of medical marijuana as it pertains to the
patient's qualifying medical condition and medical history;
(e) That the physician has informed the patient or the patient's parent or
guardian that it is the physician's opinion that the benefits of medical
marijuana outweigh its risks.
(2) The individual used or possessed medical marijuana only in a form
or by a method described in section 3796.06 of the Revised Code.
(C) The affirmative defense established by this section may be raised
only for conduct occurring on or after the effective date of this section, but
not later than sixty days after the date the State Board of Pharmacy begins
accepting applications for registration pursuant to section 3796.08 of the
Revised Code.
(D) In the case of a parent or guardian, this section does not establish an
affirmative defense to a charge of a violation of section 2925.11 of the
Revised Code relating to the use of marihuana, unless the parent or guardian
is also a patient who meets the requirements of division (B) of this section.

Affirmative defense goes into effect on the bill's effective date 90 days after the governor signs it.

And reciprocity:
Sec. 3796.16. (A)(1) The state board of pharmacy shall attempt in good
faith to negotiate and enter into a reciprocity agreement with any other state
under which a medical marijuana registry identification card or equivalent
authorization that is issued by the other state is recognized in this state, if the
board determines that both of the following apply:
(a) The eligibility requirements imposed by the other state for that
authorization are substantially comparable to the eligibility requirements for
a patient or caregiver registration and identification card issued under this
chapter.
(b) The other state recognizes a patient or caregiver registration and
identification card issued under this chapter.
(2) The board shall not negotiate any agreement with any other state
under which an authorization issued by the other state is recognized in this
state other than as provided in division (A)(1) of this section.
(B) If a reciprocity agreement is entered into in accordance with
division (A) of this section, the authorization issued by the other state shall
be recognized in this state, shall be accepted and valid in this state, and
grants the patient or caregiver the same right to use, possess, obtain, or
administer medical marijuana in this state as a patient or caregiver who was
registered and issued an identification card under this chapter.
(C) The board may adopt any rules as necessary to implement this
section.


So, let's hope the Ohio Board of Pharmacy gets busy and takes care of the reciprocity negotiations this summer!

Anyone talk to their doctors yet? I was going to find a new primary care physician last week but I'm nervous. I'm not really one for doctors in the first place and I have been so secretive about my bud use for so long that outing myself to a complete stranger is going to be quite difficult.

xer0 said:

Anyone talk to their doctors yet? I was going to find a new primary care physician last week but I'm nervous. I'm not really one for doctors in the first place and I have been so secretive about my bud use for so long that outing myself to a complete stranger is going to be quite difficult.

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Any decent doctor should support your use if you've got legitimate medical issues. The problem is finding a decent doctor, there's way too many shitty ones. Ask local friends if they have recommendations; a good GP is a wonderful thing to have.

My own docs already know about and support my use so I doubt I'll have any issues. The trouble is getting the stuff - unless there's reciprocity legislation passed, folks are gonna be stuck with the black market or driving to legal states. Though it looks like Michigan may end up legalizing recreational weed, so depending on how quick they set up that could help.

xer0 said:

Anyone talk to their doctors yet? I was going to find a new primary care physician last week but I'm nervous. I'm not really one for doctors in the first place and I have been so secretive about my bud use for so long that outing myself to a complete stranger is going to be quite difficult.

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I guess my thinking is that at this point there's really no urgency to talk with a doctor and that it's likely best to just wait and see how the system of patient certification sorts out over this summer. Many states set up "green" clinics where the doctors specialize in MMJ patient certification. So it may be that our regular PCP's never know about our use of medicinal cannabis unless we decide to discuss it with them.


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Aimless Ryan said:

From my perspective, stoners wanted all or nothing, and they chose nothing, even though that kept thousands of legitimate medical patients from being able to have medicine. Issue 3 last fall would have made it legal for everyone. By voting No (overwhelmingly), stoners kept medicine illegal for a lot of people who are afraid to buy it on the black market; who are afraid to use it at all because of its illegality.

Just six weeks ago or so, when I broke my femur into at least three pieces, EMTs went out of their way to get a search warrant of my home before I had even gone to surgery, which ended up in an already-illegal seizure of everything I had (4 vapes, well over 15 grinders, medicine, candy, other things that could not possibly have anything to do with anything illegal, etc.).

All because one asshole EMT saw an empty Adderall bottle on my floor, which had my name on it, legitimately. I haven't seen all of the legal paperwork regarding the search, but he said something about meth manufacture while he was here. Which is fucking ridiculous.

Even though what they took from me will be perfectly legal in three months, which they knew was going to happen, I will probably never see any of that stuff again.

Thankfully Underdog and Underdogette sent me a complementary Underdog to replace the one I had just bought from them a few weeks earlier. They rule.

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Jesus, you know, it's stories like that that terrify me. I live in a pretty relaxed state, we've had medical for a while, and almost everyone smokes. I'm not flagrant about it, I'm not smoking blunts on the porch, I don't drive and smoke or have anything on me if I don't have to. But someone else coming into your home and getting sanctioned for it is ridiculous. That EMT was a real asshole man.

Well, it's very close for law to take affect. Does anyone know if there was any reciprocity negotiations done?