Source Orb Pen Vape

lomein07 said:

So with the Orb XL now compatible with these coiless nails, what settings would be appropriate on a boxmod? ie: what would be a safe wattage range in Variable Wattage mode? Would any of these be compatible with boxmods in Temperature Control mode?

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Here are the specs from Source ...
Titanium:

• Recommended Wattage: 25w - 35w
• Resistance: 0.5-0.8 ohm (Resting) / 1.2+ ohm (Active)

Temp and Times

• Recommended warm up time for Portable eNail use
  • 7 - 10 seconds
• Temperature after warm up
  • 25w: 700F
  • 30w: 950F
  • 35w: 1100F

Ceramic:

• Recommended Wattage: 40w
• Resistance: 0.5-0.8 ohm (Resting) / 1.2+ ohm (Active)

Temp and Times

• Recommended warm up time for Portable eNail use
  • 15 seconds
• Temperature after warm up
  • 40w: 650F - 750F
  • 40w (extra 10 seconds warm up): 800F

Quartz:

• Recommended Wattage: 17w - 20w
  • Not recommended over 21w
• Resistance: 0.5-0.8 ohm (Resting) / 1.2+ ohm (Active)

Temp and Times

• Recommended warm up time for Portable eNail use
  • 15 seconds
• Temperature after warm up
  • 19w: 880F - 980F
    • 7 - 8 seconds after warm up: 700F
    • 15-18 seconds after warm up: 600F

I would think that if Source is selling their version of a TC mod then I bet it's safe to assume these would work on any TC box mod.

(Using Cubiod, btw)

Hope this helps.

Hoosier said:

Fingers crossed. That is how I am about getting my source nail pre-order shipping notification...any day now. Lol

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Lol.

Yeah very true, jumping on a brand new product can take a wait in this industry.... this was one of those times where I was in no rush and could pounce on the deal, no immediate worry if there is a wait.

PeteSeattle said:

Here are the specs from Source ...
Titanium:

• Recommended Wattage: 25w - 35w
• Resistance: 0.5-0.8 ohm (Resting) / 1.2+ ohm (Active)

Temp and Times

• Recommended warm up time for Portable eNail use
  • 7 - 10 seconds
• Temperature after warm up
  • 25w: 700F
  • 30w: 950F
  • 35w: 1100F

Ceramic:

• Recommended Wattage: 40w
• Resistance: 0.5-0.8 ohm (Resting) / 1.2+ ohm (Active)

Temp and Times

• Recommended warm up time for Portable eNail use
  • 15 seconds
• Temperature after warm up
  • 40w: 650F - 750F
  • 40w (extra 10 seconds warm up): 800F

Quartz:

• Recommended Wattage: 17w - 20w
  • Not recommended over 21w
• Resistance: 0.5-0.8 ohm (Resting) / 1.2+ ohm (Active)

Temp and Times

• Recommended warm up time for Portable eNail use
  • 15 seconds
• Temperature after warm up
  • 19w: 880F - 980F
    • 7 - 8 seconds after warm up: 700F
    • 15-18 seconds after warm up: 600F

I would think that if Source is selling their version of a TC mod then I bet it's safe to assume these would work on any TC box mod.

(Using Cubiod, btw)

Hope this helps.

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Thanks for that incredibly useful post, great info.

Just 2 more questions: from the long warm up times (and because this is called a nail), are you supposed to use this like a dab rig? ie: heat the nail empty first, then once warmed up place your dab on it? (Instead of like a coil atomizer where you load your dab first and then power the coil) Seems like that might be difficult to do if using the Orb XL mouthpiece.

At those high temperatures mentioned in your post (600-1100F), won't combustion happen? I'm not well versed on what combusting means in terms of concentrates, and adverse effects, etc. I've only read that in terms of dry herb, herb will combust somewhere above 430F and it releases harmful vapors that you don't want to inhale daily.

Thanks again

lomein07 said:

Thanks for that incredibly useful post, great info.

Just 2 more questions: from the long warm up times (and because this is called a nail), are you supposed to use this like a dab rig? ie: heat the nail empty first, then once warmed up place your dab on it? (Instead of like a coil atomizer where you load your dab first and then power the coil) Seems like that might be difficult to do if using the Orb XL mouthpiece.

At those high temperatures mentioned in your post (600-1100F), won't combustion happen? I'm not well versed on what combusting means in terms of concentrates, and adverse effects, etc. I've only read that in terms of dry herb, herb will combust somewhere above 430F and it releases harmful vapors that you don't want to inhale daily.

Thanks again

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Yeah. I think the globe will work much like the XL, and in theory, you could get some nice Terra style hits on a much larger scale from an e nail if you found the proper technique. I mean, I am fine with the XL attys, but I am optimistic that the nails will work well with this attachment too.

lomein07 said:

Thanks for that incredibly useful post, great info.

Just 2 more questions: from the long warm up times (and because this is called a nail), are you supposed to use this like a dab rig? ie: heat the nail empty first, then once warmed up place your dab on it? (Instead of like a coil atomizer where you load your dab first and then power the coil) Seems like that might be difficult to do if using the Orb XL mouthpiece.

At those high temperatures mentioned in your post (600-1100F), won't combustion happen? I'm not well versed on what combusting means in terms of concentrates, and adverse effects, etc. I've only read that in terms of dry herb, herb will combust somewhere above 430F and it releases harmful vapors that you don't want to inhale daily.

Thanks again

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Hey, no prob.

The set-up is to emulate dabbing with the water tool and what not.

With the attachment one can emulate dabbing after the nail is heated (as in the vid above).

If you are using the XL attachment then you'll need to pre load.

The temps mentioned are ideal for wax usage as it quickly vaporizes your material at high temps. You do not want to use these coil-less nail with herb. You'll get combustion for sure.

Heck, I'm writing as if I know how to use this already ... when I don't even have it yet. Lol. But I hope questions were answered.

Let your questions fly. We're all here to learn more about these new coils and attachment too.

@FlimsyKnuckle yeah. I hear yeah but with 420 deals it was difficult to resist. I'll certainly let you all know my experiences and probably compare it to the Firefly 2 and a dnail dab rig.

We are all waiting for that first mini rig review from someone.

The fact that they thought it was worth making the XL compatible with the nails has me really curious as to why. I mean, if you have to run full cycles and get it to temp, the XL itself would get very hot very fast. So I am thinking it may give lighter hits, like a pen with shorter power bursts. Dunno, just thinking aloud.

How long do attys last with daily moderate use? Does the dry herb baker actually vaporize(no combustion)?

FlimsyKnuckle said:

We are all waiting for that first mini rig review from someone.

The fact that they thought it was worth making the XL compatible with the nails has me really curious as to why. I mean, if you have to run full cycles and get it to temp, the XL itself would get very hot very fast. So I am thinking it may give lighter hits, like a pen with shorter power bursts. Dunno, just thinking aloud.

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My mod has an overheat shut off. So WHEN I get mine it will be an interesting experiment.

@sokesleezy the terra attys are terrific for flavor and low temp vaping. as with most vape pens let it cool down right side up so your wax can solidify which cuts down on the leaking. Put it right side up in your pocket as the warmth will move the wax. The Source orb designs, with my experience, so far has not leaked on me. As with the glass globes or most wax atomizers the source will splatter so you'll have to soak it in iso and/or scrape out the reclaimed splatter.

I'm certain that most of us with the orb 3 won't even use the herb atty. it will combust.

PeteSeattle said:

@sokesleezy the terra attys are terrific for flavor and low temp vaping. as with most vape pens let it cool down right side up so your wax can solidify which cuts down on the leaking. Put it right side up in your pocket as the warmth will move the wax. The Source orb designs, with my experience, so far has not leaked on me. As with the glass globes or most wax atomizers the source will splatter so you'll have to soak it in iso and/or scrape out the reclaimed splatter.

I'm certain that most of us with the orb 3 won't even use the herb atty. it will combust.

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Unlike the enail, I'm very familiar with the Terra atomizer and want to include my 2 cents. Most of the time it's great with low temp vaping and flavour. The silicone gasket on the bottom has prevented leaks down into the battery, but I have had melted wax leak below the Terra's quartz cup, through the holes for the wire leads of the ceramic donut. If this happens and I try to hit it again, sometimes I'll get terrible flavour as the leaked wax seems to be burning on the wire leads.

Of my six Terra's I've used since October 2015, several have melt/burn marks on the silicone gaskets. When the silicone burns it adds a really bad flavour.

Source heard of my issue and is in the process of sending me these enail atomizers as replacements. They say they use Teflon gaskets now instead of silicone, which have higher heat resistance. They also said their future versions of the Terra atomizer will use nonresistant wire leads to prevent melting of the gasket.

Source sent me the new v1.5 of their flosstradamus kit and I got it yesterday. The newer design has a cleaner look than the original. No more black paint that chips off. Just a nice slick black finish. I think the airflow getting moved up was a good idea. Much improved on that front. I was finally able to use my quartz terras and I gotta say I'm very impressed. The vapor quality was very good and not as whispy as I thought it would be. Flavor is on point. This is the setup I've been looking for in a wax pen.

I am curious how the coil-less atty's are. They seem more like XL terras than nails to me and that's fine. My only issue with the terras is they could be a bit bigger to help prevent splash. I barely filled the V3 terra and it already has some splash spots. I think the new cups look deeper and wider and could be even better than the terras. I want one of the quartz ones to play with.

Quartz doesn't absorb any concentrate so alas, it is more splatter prone. A little priming before hitting can help though, and most splatter is easily reclaimed.

FlimsyKnuckle said:

Quartz doesn't absorb any concentrate so alas, it is more splatter prone. A little priming before hitting can help though, and most splatter is easily reclaimed.

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I agree. When rushing or drawing too strongly I've had slight splatter issues with my Terra, but I don't mind. Since all the parts are easily soakable in isopropyl, the splatter gets reclaimed and I use it for edibles.

If you are getting a lot of splatter, I find it helps to take steady and slow consistent draws.

Ordered a bunch of source stuff when I preordered the enail. Should've made separate orders as none of it has shipped yet lol. Really wanna try some live resin in the enail. Has anyone gotten theirs yet?

Bad Ocelot said:

Ordered a bunch of source stuff when I preordered the enail. Should've made separate orders as none of it has shipped yet lol. Really wanna try some live resin in the enail. Has anyone gotten theirs yet?

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Yeah, same here. What's weird is I ordered the flosstradamus before they announced the nail. In my account the floss set with extra coils still is labeled unfulfilled yet I have them both. No shipping notice. Just showed up. But with that unfulfilled still labeled! I'm losing patience over this but who knows, I might get it in my mail box any day without notice.

I got an email yesterday apologizing for the delay. They also gave me a $10 gift code. I replied to the email asking if they could ship the items that were in stock & the promptly replied & did so I've got some new attys & whatnot headed my way at least.

I'm thinking about getting a new orb sometime soonish. Is it the V3 or the XL or both that are compatible with the new enail attys?

Bad Ocelot said:

I got an email yesterday apologizing for the delay. They also gave me a $10 gift code. I replied to the email asking if they could ship the items that were in stock & the promptly replied & did so I've got some new attys & whatnot headed my way at least.

I'm thinking about getting a new orb sometime soonish. Is it the V3 or the XL or both that are compatible with the new enail attys?

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I got the same email. They really seemed to be encouraging people to cancel too.

Hoosier said:

I got the same email. They really seemed to be encouraging people to cancel too.

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Same here. You're right about the "encourage" to cancel message. Hmmm.

why would they do that?

This is one strange company...

FlyingLow said:

why would they do that?

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Considering they didn't really have any detailed pictures until they were shipping the initial pre-orders, I think they probably use the first batch as qa testers. From the feedback on the SV Reddit page, people are having some serious issues with the nail. My guess is they are having a combination of the following:

Mid-production modifications to the design
Production volume issues
Production qa issues

If it is purely a production volume issue, they they might just not want to be selling them for 50% off (by fulfilling the presale orders) and instead want to be fulfilling the full price orders instead.

No matter how you slice it, these guys appear to run a pretty shady business.

It is something I see all the time in the industry. Either companies mass produce lackluster, outdated technology or they rush the new stuff to market before they get all the design and manufacturing kinks worked out. The grasshopper is a great example. It looks amazing but the wait, and manufacturing issues? They simply can't keep up with demand, and yet the product itself still has those pesky early release issues.

Really though, folks like us, folks that frequent forums like this, we are not the average consumer. We are looking for the next technological leap. We often make purchases before the tests and reviews are even out. It means we have to wait long stretches of time, and it means sometimes we end up with a sub par product because we just had to be an early adopter.

It is really annoying, but the wax pen market is still fairly new, and the best companies are often not as large as one might think... and they almost all have to outsource their manufacturing to other countries for cost cutting reasons, which often create language barriers between the engineers and the builders... so things like production defects may not be detected until it is too late... and thousands of defective products have been built and shipped back to the states.

At least Source is pretty loyal to its early adopters, often granting them free upgrades once the kinks are finally worked out, as well as discounts for future purchases. It isn't perfect. It just is what it is.

I've generally had good luck with their customer service when I needed it, like a couple years back when they changed the threading on the orb attachments & sent me a new bottom piece for the OG orb, ha.

However I am a little annoyed as I received the other items I ordered and they sent me the wrong color 10cigs. I know it's small & I don't want to be petty but they already failed to fulfill my order in the timeframe they gave me, then did me a solid by shipping out the other stuff, but got some of it wrong. When I emailed them about it they said their system had 2 black chrome 10cigs on the order but when I logged in & checked my order info, just to make sure I hadn't made an error, the colors I chose were the ones listed in the order... wtf...

https://m.alibaba.com/product/60473...cifications.html?spm=a2706.7835515.0.0.HTnUq8

Is this the same as the source nail?

tylerj55 said:

https://m.alibaba.com/product/60473...cifications.html?spm=a2706.7835515.0.0.HTnUq8

Is this the same as the source nail?

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Looks like a Dead ringer to me