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Trypsy Summers

Trypsy Summers

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ChooChooCharlie said:
Fumbled and cursed opening capsules at first, but "vise & pry" works well.
If you are right handed, Curl your left forefinger around capsule like a vise.
Push against opposite side with your left thumb tip/nail to tighten the vise.
It's strong with the cap on, so tighten your finger-thumb vise.
You guessed it ... your right thumb nail is the pry.
Best mechanical advantage if two thumb tips are aligned.
Right forefinger tip helps to steady and sort of hold top as you pry.
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Which is leads inexorably to my answer to your post!:)

First up, I fully rate the capsules, although I've not really tried it yet in the Volcano as yet, but in the plenty!! GAME-CHANGER!!:rockon:
However, like my 'friend' quite rightly points out, opening them can be a bitch, especially if you have no finger nails and are also left handed!:ugh:

But that apart, yeah the capsules do a great service, and the 'reducer' is doing it - the most!!:luv:

Not saying:), just saying:2c:, without saying;)

Peace:leaf:
 
Vitolo

Vitolo

Vaporist
stickstones said:
I found yesterday that they twist apart easier than pulling apart.
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YES!... That is what I have been saying.
Vitolo said:
They are not meant to be thrown away if too sticky to open, soak in Iso, then while still wet from Iso, grab it well and twist.
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Vitolo said:
insert the prongs of one on one side (through the breather holes) and then insert the other two prong tool the same way at the bottom (through two holes).
once you have that set up, just twist.
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Thcgos

Thcgos

Vape Addict
Vapinmofo said:
I would be interested in hearing other experience using the reduction chamber without a capsule. the herbs blow around inside mine.
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If you want to stop your herbs blowing around in the reducer chamber, (without using a capsule), try cap your load with a capsule oil pad (or a crafty oil pad).
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Or the capsule lid:
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Or if you ordered some spare reducer replacement fine screens:
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That should stop the material from blowing around. ;)

Haven't tried yet, but these are the solutions I was going to use.
 
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rshetts

rshetts

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Ok I got my reducer today but I am confused as to how to use it. It does not fit into the easy valve filling chamber so I assume you must deconstruct it some how to get the reducer to fit. Since it came with no instructions I dont want to ruin my bowl by mistake. So how do you install the damned thing?
 
Trypsy Summers

Trypsy Summers

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rshetts said:
Ok I got my reducer today but I am confused as to how to use it. It does not fit into the easy valve filling chamber so I assume you must deconstruct it some how to get the reducer to fit. Since it came with no instructions I dont want to ruin my bowl by mistake. So how do you install the damned thing?
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I got a reducer (a few days ago) but to be fair, I did order it for the PLENTY!
Whereas the capsules fit the Mighty/Crafty, I found that when I tried a capsule in my Volcano Digit, I didn't rate it at all, maybe I didn't do it right!:hmm:
But the reducer, if its the one I'm thinking of i.e. An Orange plastic thing - which is identical to the Plenty filling gear apart from the reduced capacity, then that is meant for the Plenty!:nod:

Not saying:\, just saying;), without saying:)!

:leaf: Peace
 
rshetts

rshetts

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Trypsy Summers said:
I got a reducer (a few days ago) but to be fair, I did order it for the PLENTY!
Whereas the capsules fit the Mighty/Crafty, I found that when I tried a capsule in my Volcano Digit, I didn't rate it at all, maybe I didn't do it right!:hmm:
But the reducer, if its the one I'm thinking of i.e. An Orange plastic thing - which is identical to the Plenty filling gear apart from the reduced capacity, then that is meant for the Plenty!:nod:

Not saying:\, just saying;), without saying:)!

:leaf: Peace
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Nope its a metal insert recently released for use specifically with the Volcano Easy Valve. Its labeled as The Easy Valve Filling Chamber Reducer. Youre talking about dosing chambers with the orange plastic magazine, Im assuming, which is an entirely different thing.


I finally found the answer. I was trying to find a video on the new insert when the idea hit me. I search for a how to video on cleaning the Easy Valve, which showed me exactly how to disassemble the unit. Since Im a recent Volcano disciple, I had not taken one apart yet.

Heres the video link for those who may need the info:
 
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Trypsy Summers

Trypsy Summers

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rshetts said:
Nope its a metal insert recently released for use specifically with the Volcano Easy Valve. Its labeled as The Easy Valve Filling Chamber Reducer. Youre talking about dosing chambers with the orange plastic magazine, Im assuming, which is an entirely different thing.


I finally found the answer. I was trying to find a video on the new insert when the idea hit me. I search for a how to video on cleaning the Easy Valve, which showed me exactly how to disassemble the unit. Since Im a recent Volcano disciple, I had not taken one apart yet.

Heres the video link for those who may need the info:
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I am glad that you've found the answer to your query! :clap:

However, for the avoidance of doubt, I am talking about the reducer that fits the Plenty, like the one I recently purchased directly from Storz and Bickel, This item looks exactly like the filling cap for the Plenty but the inside is reduced and it also comes with a couple of capsules and a liqui-pad!

That's the one I'm referring to!

Not saying,;) Just saying:2c:, Without saying:\!

:leaf: Peace
 
Trypsy Summers

Trypsy Summers

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Vitolo said:
I would look in the Plenty thread...
I do not believe that he reducers are identical

The same exists for the Volcano reducer.
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Like I said, I'm talking about the reducer for the Plenty, tbh, I wasn't aware of the reducer for the volcano!

(2mins since the above)
However, in light of your post I've gone and checked it out over at S & B, and fair play,:clap: I can see that there is indeed a reducer for the easy valve! :nod:

So fair play...:tup:

My Bad!!:huh:

Just saying;)

:leaf: Peace
 
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Baron23

Baron23

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HI guys - I have had my Digit for about two months and love every bit of it. I use Easy Valves, like them, but am not intimidated about building bags and may one day get a solid just for those 5 foot long party bags LOL

I'm an older guy who has been consuming cannabis for a very long time. I generally vape alone as I use it primarily later at night for pain and as a sedative. I have found that .2 - .25 grams in the regular EV chamber works very well and that's not very much. I also find that I can vape what I want, put the chamber on the shelf for the next day, and pick up where I left off seemingly without missing a beat. Love it.

Most common temp I use is 365 and I go 385 when I want a bit more stout of an experience. I will take a chamber up to 422 for a last bag and that last sedative cannabinoid. This has been working out well for me.

But I like to experiment so I bought the reduced chamber (RC) (a full chamber assembly as I just didn't want to be taking crap apart when wanting to change between regular and reduced capacity) and some dosing capsules (DC).

I used the RC with a DC last night for the first time and wasn't all that impressed with the result. I can see the DC for very controlled medical usage where exact dosing is required and the DC would allow for a number of doses to be prepared in advance. But beyond that, I'm not sure where these fit in for me.

I have found like others that the DC is very thin and pliable aluminum. Very delicate. Yes, they are cheap, but wow they are easy to bend up and yes Dorothy, they can be a bit of a struggle to re-open.

One reason why they may be so flimsy is that the more metal you add to the chamber, the bigger the heat sink of steel you have to bring up to temperature before reaching equilibrium and hence vaping your herb at that temp...maybe?....perhaps?....or perhaps they are just meant as consumable parts?

I found .1 grams, using a scale that goes to milligrams so well accurate, was about the DC capacity. This still left room around the herb for air flow, something I find essential with the regular chamber.

First bag at 365 was meh. Second bag at 365 was just ok. Bumped up to 385 and got a good bag. Fourth bag was empty...a bust.

I felt rather disappointing. It seemed that the RC/DC combo just didn't extract as well and didn't seem as efficient as just a thin layer on the bottom of a regular chamber. I and another experienced Volcano guy both think the key to 'Cano performance is of course dry herb, fine grind, and leave plenty of room in the chamber so the fan driven air flow can fluff the herb up and reach all sides of the particles. Works well. Maybe I need to adjust this a bit for RC/DC...I'll play around.

I did note that on the top screen of the chamber, there was a ring of herb that blew out of the DC and stuck to the top. Not much but it does seem like my New Vape fine grinder may be a bit too fine for the DC.

For those who said that the RC just didn't work without the DC....are you saying that the herb wouldn't stay in the chamber and blew out somehow??? I have yet to try it.

Worse comes worse, I will use RC/DC with concentrates. I generally use pens and box mods/atty for wax but perhaps may try in Volcano. I just would be sick to gunk that nice herb machine up with wax.

Still loving my Volcano...best purchase I have made in years.
 
Justpassedu

Justpassedu

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Baron23 said:
HI guys - I have had my Digit for about two months and love every bit of it. I use Easy Valves, like them, but am not intimidated about building bags and may one day get a solid just for those 5 foot long party bags LOL

I'm an older guy who has been consuming cannabis for a very long time. I generally vape alone as I use it primarily later at night for pain and as a sedative. I have found that .2 - .25 grams in the regular EV chamber works very well and that's not very much. I also find that I can vape what I want, put the chamber on the shelf for the next day, and pick up where I left off seemingly without missing a beat. Love it.

Most common temp I use is 365 and I go 385 when I want a bit more stout of an experience. I will take a chamber up to 422 for a last bag and that last sedative cannabinoid. This has been working out well for me.

But I like to experiment so I bought the reduced chamber (RC) (a full chamber assembly as I just didn't want to be taking crap apart when wanting to change between regular and reduced capacity) and some dosing capsules (DC).

I used the RC with a DC last night for the first time and wasn't all that impressed with the result. I can see the DC for very controlled medical usage where exact dosing is required and the DC would allow for a number of doses to be prepared in advance. But beyond that, I'm not sure where these fit in for me.

I have found like others that the DC is very thin and pliable aluminum. Very delicate. Yes, they are cheap, but wow they are easy to bend up and yes Dorothy, they can be a bit of a struggle to re-open.

One reason why they may be so flimsy is that the more metal you add to the chamber, the bigger the heat sink of steel you have to bring up to temperature before reaching equilibrium and hence vaping your herb at that temp...maybe?....perhaps?....or perhaps they are just meant as consumable parts?

I found .1 grams, using a scale that goes to milligrams so well accurate, was about the DC capacity. This still left room around the herb for air flow, something I find essential with the regular chamber.

First bag at 365 was meh. Second bag at 365 was just ok. Bumped up to 385 and got a good bag. Fourth bag was empty...a bust.

I felt rather disappointing. It seemed that the RC/DC combo just didn't extract as well and didn't seem as efficient as just a thin layer on the bottom of a regular chamber. I and another experienced Volcano guy both think the key to 'Cano performance is of course dry herb, fine grind, and leave plenty of room in the chamber so the fan driven air flow can fluff the herb up and reach all sides of the particles. Works well. Maybe I need to adjust this a bit for RC/DC...I'll play around.

I did note that on the top screen of the chamber, there was a ring of herb that blew out of the DC and stuck to the top. Not much but it does seem like my New Vape fine grinder may be a bit too fine for the DC.

For those who said that the RC just didn't work without the DC....are you saying that the herb wouldn't stay in the chamber and blew out somehow??? I have yet to try it.

Worse comes worse, I will use RC/DC with concentrates. I generally use pens and box mods/atty for wax but perhaps may try in Volcano. I just would be sick to gunk that nice herb machine up with wax.

Still loving my Volcano...best purchase I have made in years.
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I personally did not like the reducer in my Volcano for the simple fact that I would have to change back and fourth if I wanted to have a larger session and enough for groups but I will say they work well in storz and bickel other vape I own called the Mighty. They provide about 7-12 good thick vapor hits for me at around 384F and I bump up to around 392F to finish them off . The whole fact with the Volcano that we have to remove the main screen and put the reducer in just is not my cup of tea. I had spoken with Storz and Bickel and they told me in a email the pods were in fact designed for a 1 time use. I have now used the same pod about 5 times. It was a bitch to open the 1st time but now its pretty easy as its a tiny bit misshaped . I don't know why but for some reason I like much higher temps with the Volcano , I like a nice thick bag of vapor so I am usually starting a session around 400F as opposed to my other vapes I usually start around 380F .
 
Justpassedu,
h3rbalist

h3rbalist

I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too
This post is for anyone using dosing capsules.

Seeing as I couldn't find any propper instructions, here is my explanation of how I believe these new products should be used.

Loaded capsules should be stored upright. So the lid of the cap is on top of the cap and the cap moves freely in its little space in the basket.

Used capsules should be stored upside down so the lid is firmly pushed tightly into its space in the basket.

If you do this you'll know which caps are used and you'll also be able to get the lids off easily by levering the used cap away from the basket, leaving the lid still in its little space in the basket. Once you do it enough times the lids come away more easily by hand anyway.

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Mods, Sorry for repete posting this, but am reading a lot of posts from people struggling to open these caps and this method really works for me.
 
Baron23

Baron23

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Justpassedu said:
I personally did not like the reducer in my Volcano for the simple fact that I would have to change back and fourth if I wanted to have a larger session and enough for groups but I will say they work well in storz and bickel other vape I own called the Mighty. They provide about 7-12 good thick vapor hits for me at around 384F and I bump up to around 392F to finish them off . The whole fact with the Volcano that we have to remove the main screen and put the reducer in just is not my cup of tea. I had spoken with Storz and Bickel and they told me in a email the pods were in fact designed for a 1 time use. I have now used the same pod about 5 times. It was a bitch to open the 1st time but now its pretty easy as its a tiny bit misshaped . I don't know why but for some reason I like much higher temps with the Volcano , I like a nice thick bag of vapor so I am usually starting a session around 400F as opposed to my other vapes I usually start around 380F .
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Yeah, I hear you, mate. That's why I went the whole $62 for a complete chamber assembly with the reduced capacity. I was definitely NOT taking my chamber apart every time I wanted to change capacity.

I will keep playing with it as one time is not all that telling.

Vitolo said:
Check http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/volcano.220/page-100#post-966804
I make any length EZ Valve bags I like... and you can too.
It's EZ~
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I'm with you, man! :rockon:I got the EV just to start but will most likely get a solid at some point. It doesn't look that hard. Heck, even re-bagging an easy valve (there are some vids out there on this) doesn't look that tough. Thanks!
 
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Baron23 said:
Yeah, I hear you, mate. That's why I went the whole $62 for a complete chamber assembly with the reduced capacity. I was definitely NOT taking my chamber apart every time I wanted to change capacity.

I will keep playing with it as one time is not all that telling.



I'm with you, man! :rockon:I got the EV just to start but will most likely get a solid at some point. It doesn't look that hard. Heck, even re-bagging an easy valve (there are some vids out there on this) doesn't look that tough. Thanks!
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I am wanting an easy valve now that it's the new ticket with these capsules!
My solid valve has done me well but always looking to hit the refresh button on any of my Vaporizers.
 
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Vitolo

Vitolo

Vaporist
I received my package today from S&B.
I am one of those who thought this a simple "drop into your existing basket" device.... and did not know I would have to take my Chamber apart.
I was to test this out for another patient.
They wanted me to learn how it fits ... try it... then teach them, and they were going to pay the bill for the goods.
Sadly the patient's hands are worse than mine, they are crippled with arthritis.
The situation is not a positive one, in that I do not have the manual dexterity to undo the clips or reinstall them on my EZ Valve.
I suffer moderate to severe spasticity, and have in recent years lost control of my pincher grasp.
If I can not do it, neither will the patient be able to perform this change.
I will not be testing the Reducer.
 
rshetts

rshetts

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stickstones said:
I didn't realize the insert was such a pita to install. I bought the whole valve set by mistake and now I'm glad I did as it's just an easy swap of the bowls.
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Its really not that much of a PITA to exchange the bowls. Once you know how, it can be done, easily, by most people, literally in a minute or two.

That being said, I definitely understand Vitolo's concerns. I myself have rheumatoid arthritis and while working with the bowl exchange was not that difficult for me, the dosing chambers are quite difficult to deal with. My situation with RA is very recent so I still maintain most of my manipulative dexterity but I understand how it would prove difficult for people who have it worse than me. I do wish I had just bought the full bowl assembly, in hindsight.

A little hint for those having difficult putting the clips back into the Easy Valve when reassembling it, after exchanging the bowls. Use the blunt end of the cleaning brush to push the clip in place, instead of your hands, its much easier!
 
Baron23

Baron23

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so, I think my last post I said that I was going to try the reduced chamber (the RC) without the dosing capsule (DC). But some feedback from a friend that, in the Plenty, the DC works best full (and I can see that as the Plenty chamber gets tipped at to some degree of angle cause its a handheld vape). But, I thought I should try the DC in my Volcano with a full load and see what I got.

So, full load in the DC is right about .15 g's of Mr. Nice Guy OG.
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This is full but not tamped...just kind of firmly full with fine grind.
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But it was late at night and I was quite wound up and very sore from an active day so I decided to test full DC but also with a killer load. So, I put a small amount of go-to-sleep indica dominant shatter in the middle of the DC herb load
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Then topped it off
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I most often start my Volcano at 365, but in consideration of aforementioned soreness, lateness, and the shatter, I ran the first bag at 426 and WHAT A BAG IT WAS!! hahaha It was actually rather tasty ( the shatter?) and did not have that very dry irritation I get with higher temp pure herb bags. Matter of fact, if going into the ozone is your desired destination, this bag was about perfect
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I had never ran my Volcano at full temp so for the 2nd bag and wanting to see if I could ring out this DC load in two quick bags, I upped the temp to 446 and got another atomic strength bag. This bag was irritating to throat and lungs...that super dry feeling irritation and cough. But the effect was incredible....I felt like I had called in an airstrike on my own position! LOL
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Sadly, I must report that I am no longer the man I once was and could NOT hang in there to run a 3rd bag and see if anything is still left in the herb. Actually, not only could I not vape another bag, but remaining upright was presenting a lot of challenges.

So, this is what the DC looked like afterward. You can see a bit of wax on the lid of the DC but nothing got through at all down below (and I am paranoid about gunking up my 'cano with concentrates). Pretty clean, all in all, but I'm still leery of running wax through the Volcano on a routine basis.
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The obligatory AVB pic (its like the money shot of vape posts LOL). I think I may try this load for one more bag tonight and see if anything was left for that 3rd bag
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I understand that someone on FC contacted S&B and they expressed the view that the DCs were indeed intended to be disposable...use and discard....and when buying the 40 each pack they cost a whopping 34 cents each. This is good as they are very pliable and do indeed seem to be intended to be a one-use item. So, even as disposable, they are cheap and for those who need/really want to load for multiple sessions at one sitting, the DCs should work pretty well.

They also work quite well for my little Godzilla of a herb/wax load! X-)

Reduced Chamber without Dosing Capsule is the next experiment....once I dry out a bit hehehe
 
Vapinmofo

Vapinmofo

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Baron23 said:
so, I think my last post I said that I was going to try the reduced chamber (the RC) without the dosing capsule (DC). But some feedback from a friend that, in the Plenty, the DC works best full (and I can see that as the Plenty chamber gets tipped at to some degree of angle cause its a handheld vape). But, I thought I should try the DC in my Volcano with a full load and see what I got.



This is full but not tamped...just kind of firmly full with fine grind.

But it was late at night and I was quite wound up and very sore from an active day so I decided to test full DC but also with a killer load. So, I put a small amount of go-to-sleep indica dominant shatter in the middle of the DC herb load


Then topped it off
I most often start my Volcano at 365, but in consideration of aforementioned soreness, lateness, and the shatter, I ran the first bag at 426 and WHAT A BAG IT WAS!! hahaha It was actually rather tasty ( the shatter?) and did not have that very dry irritation I get with higher temp pure herb bags. Matter of fact, if going into the ozone is your desired destination, this bag was about perfect

I had never ran my Volcano at full temp so for the 2nd bag and wanting to see if I could ring out this DC load in two quick bags, I upped the temp to 446 and got another atomic strength bag. This bag was irritating to throat and lungs...that super dry feeling irritation and cough. But the effect was incredible....I felt like I had called in an airstrike on my own position! LOL

Sadly, I must report that I am no longer the man I once was and could NOT hang in there to run a 3rd bag and see if anything is still left in the herb. Actually, not only could I not vape another bag, but remaining upright was presenting a lot of challenges.

So, this is what the DC looked like afterward. You can see a bit of wax on the lid of the DC but nothing got through at all down below (and I am paranoid about gunking up my 'cano with concentrates). Pretty clean, all in all, but I'm still leery of running wax through the Volcano on a routine basis.

The obligatory AVB pic (its like the money shot of vape posts LOL). I think I may try this load for one more bag tonight and see if anything was left for that 3rd bag
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I understand that someone on FC contacted S&B and they expressed the view that the DCs were indeed intended to be disposable...use and discard....and when buying the 40 each pack they cost a whopping 34 cents each. This is good as they are very pliable and do indeed seem to be intended to be a one-use item. So, even as disposable, they are cheap and for those who need/really want to load for multiple sessions at one sitting, the DCs should work pretty well.

They also work quite well for my little Godzilla of a herb/wax load! X-)

Reduced Chamber without Dosing Capsule is the next experiment....once I dry out a bit hehehe
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The picture above is a mirror of what a DC looked like when (After I filled it in the same way top tier cannabis and top tier whole plant "rosin") I loaded the capsule into my crafty and at 375 I got cloud after cloud... too much I stopped before it was all gone for sure. It made nice brown ABV.
think about it. 150mg herb and maybe 15mg shatter combined into a capsule. Creating a system for real consistent dosing.

I could see companies targeting dosing capsule users at retail cannabis with exact consistent doses.
Why not?

Anyway, If I were to use the reduc†ion chamber in my volcano using the Dosing Capsule is absolutly a must.

When I used the reduced chamber with a liquid pad a very small amount of shatter created lots of clouds it kept going and going max temp (though I do Not think that Max temp is necessary)

for me this makes using waxes and shatters pretty darn easy with the volcano. the results are very good.

VapinMofo
 
Justpassedu

Justpassedu

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I actually tried packing a capsule the other night to the point it could not be packed anymore. I stuffed as much as I could in , tamped down with my finger , stuffed more and even stuffed the top half before I closed it. No airflow problems at all and I got a bit of a longer session which is what I was aiming for , not as big as a reg packed bowl but big enough to make me happy. I did do this in my Mighty though and not the Cano.
 
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