Divine Tribe atty's

Bad Ocelot

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Has anyone tried the Artery Nugget 50w TC with the DT attys? I'm a fan of small mods, especially for on the go. It only has a 1000mAh battery but that's plenty of power for the DT atty's, it also has upgradeable firmware & purportedly a TC mode for kanthal (I assume this may be a TCR mode type thing). Anyway, just curious.

I've been using my 2.5 on the eleaf pico quite a bit and it works great, just as well if not better than the Tesla. With the pico it seems I have to up the temp every so often though. Especially if i'm using it at a tilt & a bunch of oil slides over to one side. I typically rotate it around in my hand every couple of hits to avoid this but sometimes I still have to push the temp to 250C or so (in the M2 setting). I'm gonna mess with it some more tonight, will post if I find anything of note.
 

earth_station1

New Member
Since the DT 2.5 atomizer with a TC mod is so far superior to nearly any competitor out there in the class, I'd rather adapt the existing possibilities of bubblers available to work with the DT

So you're using 5/8" (inner diameter) tubing as an adapter, interesting. Is it PVC? I see 5/8" ID silicone can be sourced, but I'm not sure it would serve as well as an adapter for this purpose (DT2.5 w/o cap to a small watertool).

The Delta 9 ceramic disc seems like a good option, have you tried it?
 
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Vape Donkey 650

All vape, no smoke please.
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http://www.dhgate.com/store/product/pinnacle-pro-glass-smoking-water-pipe-vaporblunt/184494946.html


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http://vapemood.com/product/atmos-jewel-replacement-mouthpiece/
http://www.lighterusa.com/atmos-rx-...Ex25daMimjJ_Nad34Iz42bu26u1Av_3ikfxoCMivw_wcB
i use the an atmos jewel silicon mouthpiece as an adapter. i remove the metal part from the atmos mouthpiece and fit it over the mouthpiece of the 2.5 dt cap. Once the DT 2.5 cap has the silicon mouthpiece fitted, i shove the mouthpiece into the bottom of the bubbler where it will always stay, so when i take off or put on the bubbler, the mouthpiece will be fixed in the bubbler. Essentially the bubbler mouthpiece combo has become a one unit moutpiece


the connection is very tight. i can also pick it up by the bubbler with the mod attached no problem. i can understand your concern, i require my bubblers to fit snuggly as well.


this thing is absolutely not spill proof. i use it in my car when i'm out and about and i just keep it standing in my middle console. At one point i even made a cork for it out of plastic wrap.


60 degrees looks like a good number. you can tilt this thing pretty good and will will work just fine. IMO this thing has the best airflow/percolation of any vape pen bubbler for its price.

Cool, thanks for clearing all that up for us, steven. :tup: I'm gonna go buy a couple of these things with the adapters as well, since they are not very expensive, and if it all works as well as you say, I think these will retire and replace my old little straight water bubblers. Seems like it will meet / exceed all my portable bubbler needs. Maybe I can get it to work with the clear pyrex 2.5 mouthpiece for better vape viewing?

So you're using 5/8" (inner diameter) tubing as an adapter, interesting. Is it PVC? I see 5/8" ID silicone can be sourced, but I'm not sure it would serve as well as an adapter for this purpose (DT2.5 w/o cap to a small watertool).

What I'm using is plain vinyl (transparent) hosing, not PVC, I believe. It's rigidity/flexibility is somewhere in between floppy flexible silicon hosing and hard, rigid white PVC pipe, the kind you would plumb water with. This lets you slip on/off the atomizer base from your bubbler/glass easily, but makes it solid enough to stay that way until you want to remove it. These vinyl joints are also key in adapting my old school "skull" glass globe in between my 2.5 base and 18mm/f dab rig, which I love. :love: You can see pics a few pages back

I suppose you can make the connection with silicon tubing, but it would probably be too soft and flexible to keep the 2 parts together under a little bit of stress, unless it is a very thick silicon tube? The vinyl hosing I use you can get at your local home depot, lowe's, ace, or whatever hardware store is near you, probably under the plumbing/tubing section. It's intended for water usage, and it's probably not "medical / food grade" material, but given the temperatures and conditions it sees, I'm not at all concerned with the material as a hazard.

Advantage of using a cut hose section as a joint instead of adapting a mouthpiece to your tubing: you can see the vape billowing directly from your atomizer base instead of being shrouded.

Downside: more splashing :(

The Delta 9 ceramic disc seems like a good option, have you tried it?

I have not tried that, but I have looked at that company's lineup several times. You're talking about w9tech "1701 alpha centauri ceramic dougnut" which is for their proprietary lineup of vapes, correct?

I think these products has been discussed way back in this thread, and I could be wrong here recalling from memory, but I think the drawbacks of that ceramic donut vs. Matt's DT 2.5:

  • smaller w9tech donut assembly, with less airflow, delivers less clouds than the DT
  • their lineup of vapes has "temp settings" but not "temp control" in the manner we are used to with our latest generation of 510-box mods. So I can't just dial in the omicron to my favorite setting and hold the button down for as long as I want with no fear of overheating/combusting my material? Do I have to pulse/time my button presses to avoid this? If so, I'm not interested. :rolleyes:
  • the w9tech donut carts are custom made for their own line up of vapes, and won't screw into other generic glass globe micro skillet metal bases, which can then work on any 510 threaded battery? It seems to imply this on their website, so I'm not sure if you can screw in their 0.8 ohm titanium atty into any good TC mod and vape that way
I'm sure these vapes and company has it's own thread on this forum, so maybe I could be wrong on any of these counts, being that I have only looked at the product and not used it, so if anyone here has used these products and could let us know, please do! :)

What w9tech does have going for them is their nifty looking set of glass bubblers that go with their various atomizers. I wouldn't go buy their vapes just to use their bubblers, but I am trying to determine if any of the nibblers can be adapted to the DT 2.5 base? :huh:


Has anyone tried the Artery Nugget 50w TC with the DT attys? I'm a fan of small mods, especially for on the go. It only has a 1000mAh battery but that's plenty of power for the DT atty's, it also has upgradeable firmware & purportedly a TC mode for kanthal (I assume this may be a TCR mode type thing). Anyway, just curious.

Hey there rare, under-recognized, medium sized wild american feline: I have been using the artery nugget mod for a few weeks with the ceramic donut, and I was even gonna do a review for you guys, but I'm kinda-over this mod already. I've already retired them and re-assigned their atomizers to my new cuboid minis (I love these) but I'll give you my sccop on the nugget:

Works ok, but not great vape quality in TC mode. If you want the absolute smallest TC mod and can compromise on some of the most advanced features you'd expect from a new joyetech/eleaf mod, the nugget may be good for you.

Has standard TC-Ni/Ti/SS + VW/VV settings, and firmware upgradeability, but NO TCR! With the possibility of new software in the future, we may get TCR ( and could really use it ) but I wouldn't expect it based on the track record of other companies besides joyetech.

This vape does not work on TC-Ni with our donuts. Never hits intended temp, stays max watts for the whole 10-second button press, burns up your load. Don't try it. I found out and had to clean a burnt hash donut for this :mad: The firmware TC-Ni curve just doesn't match our atty's with this mod

TC-SS just always under-heats your coil, but I found some success on TC-Ti mode, even though we don't have titanium wires.

Nugget lets you set TC max watts in 5w increments, so I tried 15, 20 and 25w and settled on 25 being the best, contrary to official guidance and popular opinion here. :evil: Vapes between 240-360F in TC-Ti.

15w, it just cycles the display like 4-6 times before hitting temp, way too long, then it seems to just coast at 15, 14, 13, 12, 13, 14.... etc. until 10 seconds. Too hot. Toasts your load.

25w seemed to work better. Your screen refreshes a couple times per second: 25, 25, (hits temp) 18, 15, 14, 12, 10, 8, 9, 10w... etc. That's the kind of wattage output we want to see.

20w works as an uncomfortable medium with the wattage fluctuating too much, but my friend has the nugget and he says he likes 20w better.

Even at my most ideal settings, I feel like I'm riding close to the ragged edge of combustion to get the large yet tasty smooth clouds I desire. If I dial the temperature down to moderate this, say, 260, 280, 320F, it will make a nice big tasty cloud at the first couple seconds after a button press, but the remaining 8 seconds are all empty air, riding around a useless 4-7w on a loaded donut. I can observe this from my nugget+DT attached to a glass globe and rig.

This less than ideal performance likely results from being forced to use a titanium TCR curve rather than a nickle setting that works acceptably. And since I'm a very picky vape snob, that's why I already retired these cute little mods already. :(

There is some to like: the screen and buttons and features are all nice and easy to use, the mod is very attractive with the metallic colors, and a measly 1000mah seems to be good for several dozen or a 100+ puffs before a charge is needed, not bad. But I can't get over the marginal vape quality, plus it struggled to get an accurate read on my base resistance (0.9 or 1.1 cold is way off) and had to unscrew/rescrew many times to get into a reasonable range <=0.8 ohm

The cuboid mini is barely a couple cm2 larger (thinner too) and has more than double the battery as the nugget, and the familiar, reliable, customizable, and frequently updated joyetech firmware rarely lets me down, so that's my new line of "tiny" TC mods, although I'm sure smaller ones will follow. Cuboid mini is almost exactly the same dimensions as the old eleaf 40w TC.

Hope this helps....:wave:
 
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Vape Donkey 650

All vape, no smoke please.
:o Whoa... last post way too long! Sorry for the back to back posts, but I wanted to show a few vids of the nugget hitting up a full load with the DT donut on my prized rig. I already said she needs a name, how about calling her Dabby from now on? :D

Maybe you can see the watts/temp info on the screen and compare with the vape production through my cloudy globe, to give you an idea of what I was talking about.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3YgEZ31nTeRWmRaeXl0QUxjXzg

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3YgEZ31nTeReHdEOUY4ekVzM28

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3YgEZ31nTeRU1AxZWFzcHV2ZFU

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3YgEZ31nTeRUVBoaEtSb2NsOTA

You should be able to download and view these mp4 files I took through my phone, but if anyone knows of a good free video posting site where I can upload and embed these vids into your browser window, inside my post, (like youtube, but not youtube) please do share! :nod:
 

Steven

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There's upgraded versions of those slim bubblers that's been out for a while too if ur interested. I actually don't have this one but it looks better than the usual ones. It's an improvement that there's actual space for bubbles now but the problem may still be those small diffuser holes. I been so happy with the pinnacle pro water tool I never found the need to venture elsewhere. The w9tech bubblers do look appealing but I can't justify those prices for a tiny piece of glass. I mean that 16in double Honeycomb piece I posted was only $80 so paying for a pen bubbler for $100 isn't justifiable to me
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http://m.dhgate.com/product/new-gla...wax-dry-herb/237186261.html#s4-9-1|1840911446

Even reviewers say it clogs though
 
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Steven

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Sorry for the double post but I was just looking to see if there were any completely new bubblers that can pair with the dt atty. So I had my eye on Hydratubes for the longest time, but they have always been so expensive. I guess u can call me cheap but I really do not like paying a lot for glass. I have broken too many pieces to ever buy anything too expensive. Anyway, I was looking up info for the pinnacle pro for my last post and found this guy
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This is the first hydratube Recycler I have ever seen and it's a bargain. Unfortunately it's a 18.8mm joint, so I'm going to have to use another 14mm adapter to connect it to my current set up. Or maybe I'll find a different method all together. I just bought it and can't wait for this to arrive.
 

Vape Donkey 650

All vape, no smoke please.
Hahah :lol: I just bought the exact same pipe you're showing right now. It's stocked by the same chinese seller on dhgate that you showed me earlier, for the pinnacle water tool. I'm browsing their online store to see if there's anything worthwhile to throw in the cart to come in the same "slow boat from china" package

I was hoping this seller would have one of those cooler, large straight bubbler that you also showed, or one of the pear-shaped bubblers, since they're cheap? might as well throw it in. This particular seller (sunshinestore) doesn't have them, but I saw this other bubbler too. I see it has an 18mm/F joint.

30 bucks why not? I'm thinking of using it with my arizer extreme Q with an 18/18 M/M joint for flower bowls. I could probably figure a way to hook it to the ceramic donut, but for it's large size, I probably wont.

For your use, Steven, maybe you can find a 14 to 18mm adapater.

Also got the atmos jewel mouthpieces on the way, thanks for sharing your setup :tup:

Got all these new glass pieces in the mail OTW so excited for them to come now :D :p:rofl:
 
Vape Donkey 650,

Steven

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Hahah :lol: I just bought the exact same pipe you're showing right now. It's stocked by the same chinese seller on dhgate that you showed me earlier, for the pinnacle water tool. I'm browsing their online store to see if there's anything worthwhile to throw in the cart to come in the same "slow boat from china" package

I was hoping this seller would have one of those cooler, large straight bubbler that you also showed, or one of the pear-shaped bubblers, since they're cheap? might as well throw it in. This particular seller (sunshinestore) doesn't have them, but I saw this other bubbler too. I see it has an 18mm/F joint.

30 bucks why not? I'm thinking of using it with my arizer extreme Q with an 18/18 M/M joint for flower bowls. I could probably figure a way to hook it to the ceramic donut, but for it's large size, I probably wont.

For your use, Steven, maybe you can find a 14 to 18mm adapater.

Also got the atmos jewel mouthpieces on the way, thanks for sharing your setup :tup:

Got all these new glass pieces in the mail OTW so excited for them to come now :D :p:rofl:
No problem. I'm excited for all the goodies too. Sunshinestore at dhgate is awesome. I've bought stuff from them several times and things arrive in about 10 days, not the usual 30 days. I hope I don't get ur hopes up as it is still possible it may take 30 days. I'm sure you know a lot has to do with customs as well.

The hydratube is a bit big, but I was even thinking it may find a home in my car. I mean the pinnacle pro is great but I have a feeling I'm going to want a smoother hit once the Hydratube is available. It might be just too big though. We'll see
 

OF

Well-Known Member
What I'm using is plain vinyl (transparent) hosing, not PVC, I believe. It's rigidity/flexibility is somewhere in between floppy flexible silicon hosing and hard, rigid white PVC pipe, the kind you would plumb water with.

Actually that's exactly what I think you're using? PVC is Poly Vinyl Chloride:
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=24693
http://www.amazon.com/Small-Parts-Clear-PVC-Tubing/dp/B003TJ9YPQ

It's a plastic alloy, IIRC, a mixture. It can be rigid, semi rigid or flexible depending on how you make it. Many modern plastics are alloys, like the ABS that makes up telephone cases. Each of the 3 materials in the mix adds to the overall properties desired. Keeping it from shattering, for instance. It's also dyed many times (like the pipe) and can have UV protection agents if it's going to be exposed to sunlight.. Useful stuff, but I'm not so sure ho safe here? Temperature ratings can be quite low (140F in the first example above). I don't know if it gets that hot there, but I suspect it's possible with a WT and some serious efforts cloud chasing? And, unlike some other plastics, PVC is pretty nasty when it outgasses as I recall?

Unless one carefully researches the use of PVC (and that includes the specific PVC used) I recommend against copying this using random PVC tube. Silicone rubbers can be had in 450F and more rated materials. While not as stiff it's sure to be safe.
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=23884&catid=799

Reinforced versions might fix the stiffness issue and still provide enough safety margin on temperature:
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=104746&catid=799
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=114757&catid=799

BTW using Platinum catalysts is what makes it (and Silicone rubbers) 'Food Safe', not to fear it. It's a good thing.......

Everyone gets to make up their own mind about what is a good idea in life, I just see reason for caution here. IMO it's a risk that can be avoided.

OF
 

Steven

Well-Known Member
@Vape Donkey 650 in excitement of the incoming hydratube, Ive already found a way to attach the dt atty. I remember I was bummed when the 14mm joint of the pinnacle pro bubbler couldn't fit the new 2.7 splash cap. At that time I thought to myself that it would have been perfect if the joint was 18mm. So light bulb!!! I have already fitted the 2.7 cap onto a 18mm joint using this as an adapter
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I've always use these as an adapter because they are silicone and I had a few lying around. I cut the upper, thicker portion of the tip. The bottom half is too thin. Once cut into a little band I shove them onto the 2.5 and 2.7 caps. The 2.5 caps with this adapter will fit any of those slim pen vape bubblers.
Getting the little silicone band onto the 2.7 cap took a lot of ingenuity because the mouthpiece is so large but believe me it is possible.

Oh yeah, as a future maintenance tip for your pinnacle pro bubbler and dt atty combo, you are going to need to keep your o rings cleaned every once and a while. To secure a snug fit I take the orings off and wiped them down with an alcohol soaked napkin. Ever notice removing the cap gets a bit looser over time. The o rings get a bit saturated with wax and this can lead to a loose connection with a heavy bubbler attached. Knowing this, I have many spare orings and find the ones that fit most snuggly. A long time ago I think Matt changed the orings because people were complaining it was hard to remove the cap. I still have the old o rings. New ones work just fine too, I just notice I had to clean those more often, like once a month.
 
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earth_station1

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Actually that's exactly what I think you're using? PVC is Poly Vinyl Chloride

That braided silicone tubing you posted looks ideal, but is very expensive & tough to source.

I suppose an alternative would be a regular piece of silicone tubing, reinforced with maybe a non-toxic glue or fiber-fix type tape to give form to it, but leave pure silicone on the section contacting both surfaces.
 

OF

Well-Known Member
I suppose an alternative would be a regular piece of silicone tubing, reinforced with maybe a non-toxic glue or fiber-fix type tape to give form to it, but leave pure silicone on the section contacting both surfaces.

Provided it was high temperature and 'food safe' (not all are) that should be just fine you'd think. I may have got lost, but if the idea is to make the connection stiffer, any sort of splint on the outside should do that without health issues? Even one of my all time favorite building materials, wooden coffee stir sticks? The rubber tube would safely seal any nasty stuff away from our lovely vapor.......

OF
 

earth_station1

New Member
...if the idea is to make the connection stiffer, any sort of splint on the outside should do that without health issues? Even one of my all time favorite building materials, wooden coffee stir sticks? The rubber tube would safely seal any nasty stuff away from our lovely vapor.......

OF

How would you secure the stir sticks around the tubing?
 

OF

Well-Known Member
How would you secure the stir sticks around the tubing?
Butting in with a thot. Maybe rubber bands or zip ties. I'd go zip ties to make it nice and clean

Love it. Yep, I'd probably be right there with rubber bands or some other lashing scheme until I was sure the idea was sound. Then I was thinking maybe one of those velcro straps that you use to tie up cables and stuff, a turn or two might be just the support needed and would have the silicone rubber to protect it? You could glue the 'splints' onto the strap......

Wow the world's a dangerous place, what with all these tubes and tangents'n shit.

Yeah, but the medicine for instant relief is right at hand.......

You know what WC Fields said, 'when in the wilderness always carry a bottle of liquor with you in case of snakebite......also carry a small snake in case there are none'.

OF
 

Vape Donkey 650

All vape, no smoke please.
Actually that's exactly what I think you're using? PVC is Poly Vinyl Chloride:
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=24693
http://www.amazon.com/Small-Parts-Clear-PVC-Tubing/dp/B003TJ9YPQ

It's a plastic alloy, IIRC, a mixture. It can be rigid, semi rigid or flexible depending on how you make it. Many modern plastics are alloys, like the ABS that makes up telephone cases. Each of the 3 materials in the mix adds to the overall properties desired. Keeping it from shattering, for instance. It's also dyed many times (like the pipe) and can have UV protection agents if it's going to be exposed to sunlight.. Useful stuff, but I'm not so sure ho safe here? Temperature ratings can be quite low (140F in the first example above). I don't know if it gets that hot there, but I suspect it's possible with a WT and some serious efforts cloud chasing? And, unlike some other plastics, PVC is pretty nasty when it outgasses as I recall?

I'm not sure if there is a difference, or if it's just semantic, or the same thing, but this is what I'm using.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Sioux-Ch...-D-x-2-ft-Clear-Vinyl-Tubing-HSVSP2/204407884

Says vinyl, not PVC. Different size and brand, but essentially what I got from my local home depot. This one says it's rated to 175* and I doubt I'm getting anywhere near that.

I also doubt my relatively cloud-chasing usage patterns, is getting my atomizer base measurably or meaningfully hotter than yours. Mine may see 25w for about 200 milliseconds per puff, but it is long, repeated, continuous 10-second hits that results in heat build up on the ceramic housing, much more so than the hottness or vapor output of a single 10 second-puff, or a fraction of that period.

Some guys here do like to ride the button continuously long and hard, for multiple 10-sec cycles, but my lung capacity is modest, so I hardly ever cycle the button. I almost always take a few seconds break between large puffs, and rarely will go for more than 3 or 4 big ones, back to back. DT is potent and rarely fails to satisfy me when my donut is loaded.

Unless one carefully researches the use of PVC (and that includes the specific PVC used) I recommend against copying this using random PVC tube. Silicone rubbers can be had in 450F and more rated materials. While not as stiff it's sure to be safe.
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=23884&catid=799

Reinforced versions might fix the stiffness issue and still provide enough safety margin on temperature:
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=104746&catid=799
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=114757&catid=799

BTW using Platinum catalysts is what makes it (and Silicone rubbers) 'Food Safe', not to fear it. It's a good thing.......

Everyone gets to make up their own mind about what is a good idea in life, I just see reason for caution here. IMO it's a risk that can be avoided.

OF

I certainly don't want to dismiss these concerns outright, so I did look up that info on the tubing, and for my breakfast sesh with dabby today, I grabbed my cheap little infrared thermometer, jammed it as close to my target as possible, and tried to get some data, FWIW. Most likely not as accurate as a thermocouple, but it's all I have.

Baseline: back of my throat: 95F, not bad
Baseline: cool atomizer base AND hose, 70F
1st 10-second hit 25w 245 TCR 380F full bowl: 70.7 + 70 F base and tube
2st 10 second hit: 74F, atomizer base and tube
3rd 10-sec: 80F for both parts

The glass globe got around 75F. I spaced out each puff as little as I could, less than 10 sec perhaps, and I got stoooony haha :ko: FOR SCIENCE! :science: Took a rest for just a couple minutes, went to 390F and had a few more light hits to finish the load, but nothing got over 75F again with the little bit of time to cool.

My roommate was in the kitchen with me cooking (burning) swine sausages on a griddle so I zapped his stuff also, 200F inside his swine to know it's safe to eat, 462F on the burnt griddle to help dial in and triangulate my little tool

SO to get back to earth now... based on this imperfect data, I think I'm way safe and don't have much to fear, at least within my usage patterns.

BUT, to press the issue, and advocate for the devil here, let's just say my vinyl (PVC?) hose is hitting it's upper range of usage temperatures, or if it had a lower temp that I am getting close to, like 90F.

What gasses and harmful substances would my hose be emitting? Phthalates? Other stuff? How toxic is it, and how much of it is going into me?

Looking at the hoses in my setup, they are barely in the vapor path at allmaybe a <1mm gap between surfaces. Any possible off-gassing would be primarily external, rather than being sucked into my vapor stream.

If phthalates are the concern, I'm not really sure if this is warranted? Aren't these compounds omnipresent in our modern environment, kind of unavoidable, undesirable, but nothing like a super poison like lead, cyanide, dioxin, etc.... Something that affects children more but for healthy adults?:shrug:

Let's put this risk into context against known risks and harmful substances we can encounter from things like crappy, unregulated cotton/silica wick and wire vape systems, or from combustion from running our ceramic donuts at fixed VW mode, or from good ol-fashioned smoking? :puke:
If you think there's more to it, or other stuff you think I should know, do tell, I don't mean to be facetious, sarcastic, or dismissive here.


That braided silicone tubing you posted looks ideal, but is very expensive & tough to source.

I suppose an alternative would be a regular piece of silicone tubing, reinforced with maybe a non-toxic glue or fiber-fix type tape to give form to it, but leave pure silicone on the section contacting both surfaces.

Provided it was high temperature and 'food safe' (not all are) that should be just fine you'd think. I may have got lost, but if the idea is to make the connection stiffer, any sort of splint on the outside should do that without health issues? Even one of my all time favorite building materials, wooden coffee stir sticks? The rubber tube would safely seal any nasty stuff away from our lovely vapor.......

OF

How would you secure the stir sticks around the tubing?

Butting in with a thot. Maybe rubber bands or zip ties. I'd go zip ties to make it nice and clean

I did take a look at some of those links, and based on the huge variety of materials, sizes and applications offered, I'm sure we could find one that would have a safer margin on operating temperatures and sufficient stiffness/aesthetics.

All the ideas for fixing or reinforcing silicon hose, that's all good, group brainstorming and all, but I think we're getting unnecessarily complex.

I think what I should do is just email the good people at usplastic, tell them what I'm trying to use a plastic hose for (vapor aromatherapy :D ) and ask them to recommend a tubing with the best combo of safe material / operating temp / stiffness. Sometimes you can just write/call them up and companies will provide good service and info! :o :)

So if they suggest something better, I'd try it out, but in the meantime, or if they tell me what I'm using is probably safe already, I'll still be taking some nice, milky, spaced-out in duration, 25w 10-second puffs with Dabby. ;)

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The copper elbow is ok, right? My other rig's elbow is brass

Wow the world's a dangerous place, what with all these tubes and tangents'n shit.

I know, right. :huh: I did wanna talk glass bubblers, and sometimes we have to adapt them since the available choices of adapter-free glass / water connections for DT are minimal/nonexistent, then we get sucked into a PVC hose rabbithole :lol:

Let's go back to chinese opium instead :doh:

The hydratube is a bit big, but I was even thinking it may find a home in my car. I mean the pinnacle pro is great but I have a feeling I'm going to want a smoother hit once the Hydratube is available. It might be just too big though. We'll see

Whoa...you wanna use that big ol bubbler while driving? :o Don't get too greedy stevey! We're talking about risks and dangers here...that seems germane. Would seem difficult to keep a 2 foot bubbler from breaking while using in my car, plus a dead giveaway to anyone watching you use it? :brow:

I love how the DT 2.5/2.7 with most any mod looks innocuous and stealthy like any sub-ohm juice vape that someone may use. But when I attach my mini bubblers, even my good friends who have seen my vapes without them get all freaked out "WHOA what are you smoking on that bro?"

everyone always seems to think I'm about to smoke some meth even though they just saw me vaping kush on it moments earlier :hmm:

@Vape Donkey 650 in excitement of the incoming hydratube, Ive already found a way to attach the dt atty. I remember I was bummed when the 14mm joint of the pinnacle pro bubbler couldn't fit the new 2.7 splash cap. At that time I thought to myself that it would have been perfect if the joint was 18mm. So light bulb!!! I have already fitted the 2.7 cap onto a 18mm joint using this as an adapter
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I've always use these as an adapter because they are silicone and I had a few lying around. I cut the upper, thicker portion of the tip. The bottom half is too thin. Once cut into a little band I shove them onto the 2.5 and 2.7 caps. The 2.5 caps with this adapter will fit any of those slim pen vape bubblers.
Getting the little silicone band onto the 2.7 cap took a lot of ingenuity because the mouthpiece is so large but believe me it is possible.

Oh yeah, as a future maintenance tip for your pinnacle pro bubbler and dt atty combo, you are going to need to keep your o rings cleaned every once and a while. To secure a snug fit I take the orings off and wiped them down with an alcohol soaked napkin. Ever notice removing the cap gets a bit looser over time. The o rings get a bit saturated with wax and this can lead to a loose connection with a heavy bubbler attached. Knowing this, I have many spare orings and find the ones that fit most snuggly. A long time ago I think Matt changed the orings because people were complaining it was hard to remove the cap. I still have the old o rings. New ones work just fine too, I just notice I had to clean those more often, like once a month.

Thanks for the notes...I don't think I'm gonna try to connect the hydratube to a DT base, but with an 18-18MM adapter, it can turn my old arizer into a poor man's vapeXhale Evo hopefully :cool:

I'm sure there could be other ways thought up as well, I usually try to go for the fewest pieces with the strongest bonds. And I tend to keep my atomizer bases pretty neat and tidy, but not always the donuts inside. :( I'm still trying to decide if it would be more desireable to use the 2.5 or 2.7 cap with the pinnacle water tool? No cap, atomizer base into the water tool (with adapter?) would be more desireable for me, but not sure yet how to accomplish that. :hmm:

Love it. Yep, I'd probably be right there with rubber bands or some other lashing scheme until I was sure the idea was sound. Then I was thinking maybe one of those velcro straps that you use to tie up cables and stuff, a turn or two might be just the support needed and would have the silicone rubber to protect it? You could glue the 'splints' onto the strap......

OF

Ha..i think that would work better than the zip ties / cable ties because you would have to cut those and put on a new one each time you remove your atomizer base from your glass globe / bubbler to reload, clean, etc. I think that would look silly though, I'm gonna try to look into higher-grade tubing that is sufficiently stiff like vinyl/PVC. :tup:

Yeah, but the medicine for instant relief is right at hand.......

You know what WC Fields said, 'when in the wilderness always carry a bottle of liquor with you in case of snakebite......also carry a small snake in case there are none'.

OF

OH OH let me try to deconstruct your metaphorical reference.... so our kushy oils is our medicine/liquor, and phthalates/off-gassing is the snakebite, the PVC hose is the snake?

So if we can't self-medicate with kush, carry some pvc hose to heat and inhale the fumes instead? :huh: :sherlock: :lol:
 
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http://www.homedepot.com/p/Sioux-Ch...-D-x-2-ft-Clear-Vinyl-Tubing-HSVSP2/204407884

Says vinyl, not PVC. Different size and brand, but essentially what I got from my local home depot. This one says it's rated to 175* and I doubt I'm getting anywhere near that.

They lie. It's PVC:
"An industrially important example is vinyl chloride, precursor to PVC, a plastic commonly known as vinyl."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinyl

"Vinyl is not a natural substance but is a synthetic man-made material. It is a type of plastic that is made from ethylene (found in crude oil) and chlorine (found in regular salt). When processed, both the substances are combined to form Polyvinyl Chloride (PVC) resin, or as is commonly referred to - Vinyl."
http://www.whatisvinyl.com/

"Vinyl" is slang for 'PVC'.


I don't share your confidence the vapor is always under 170F, and that's what contacts the inner surface? IMO the material is not safe in this application without careful research and as a general material for this type application should be avoided.

BTW, IR Pyrometers are not reliable for this sort of stuff, something we've discussed at length in some other threads. Such things are basically light meters for a type of light we can't see. How 'bright something shines' is very very dependent on the material (called "Emissivity"). The cheap units guys usually have are set to a compromise factor (.95 is typical), more useful units allow you to program this. But unless the source uniformly fills the 'field of view' of the detector accurate readings are impossible in any case. I just tried one of mine. In a 68F room it 'sees' my torch at arms length (say 18 inches) it reads '96F'........ This is with the torch pointed 'straight at it' (slightly higher reading than at right angles). But that torch is like 1300F?

There are better materials available, IMO vinyl tube (PVC) is a poor recommendation. I think it should be avoided?

Ha..i think that would work better than the zip ties / cable ties because you would have to cut those and put on a new one each time you remove your atomizer base from your glass globe / bubbler to reload, clean, etc. I think that would look silly though, I'm gonna try to look into higher-grade tubing that is sufficiently stiff like vinyl/PVC. :tup:

I think that's a good idea. As far as looking silly, you're on your own there. I'm a 'function over form' kinda guy myself. Cosmetics take a seat way back on the bus.

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Vape Donkey 650

All vape, no smoke please.
Thanks, OF, I would say my guess is as good as yours, but that's probably false. ;) I completley understand you on the IR thermometer thing, it's just my meager, solitary tool here. :( The part I would really want to measure is the inside of the hose where the hot vape is contacting that tiny portion of the airway, not the outside of the hose, but it's something.

But to get back to worst case scenarios and risks here: what exactly would my pvc be emitting, and how much perhaps, and what kind of harm could that do to me? I just looked up a couple things here and there but can't find anything I think would surely apply to this.

I'm still gonna email the usplastics people to see what they think, and if they can recommend a better hose. :tup:
 
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But to get back to worst case scenarios and risks here: what exactly would my pvc be emitting, and how much perhaps, and what kind of harm could that do to me? I just looked up a couple things here and there but can't find anything I think would surely apply to this.

I'm still gonna email the usplastics people to see what they think, and if they can recommend a better hose. :tup:

I'd start with the MSDS if the specifics concern you. But that misses the point, the material is a poor choice, there are better options. And for sure you've no guarantee that someone following your advice/recommendation are going to get 175F tube, they could just as easily get the common 140F type I cited?

It's important to remember this stuff is commonly an alloy. An mixture, one that varies from maker to maker and product to product. Plasticizers, for instance, are often included in applications like insulation for wires so it won't get brittle with age. And UV agents are common. These too can be hazards and might be different in the next brand of tube. Again, this is an area best avoided I think? Better materials and options exist. These represent unknown risks, even if carefully researched in one case, using random tube could get the next guy in trouble. Bad advice, IMO.

Your call, of course, I just think things like this should be included in any recommendation. Not everyone knows a lot about materials?

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All vape, no smoke please.
We each gotta make out own call, for sure, and I'm no expert on materials, but I'm trying to learn.

I can't find any MSDS , so I guess for now, let's call the potential risks unknown and unquantified, and that maybe people shouldn't all go out and use this to connect their rigs right now, especially if their plastic / pvc is "random"

The email to US plastics is in, I hope they respond nicely, I could call them but too lazy. Pretty sure they can recommend a better tubing/hose if I get someone that knows his stuff and is willing to help me out. I'll let you guys know what they say.
 
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How would you secure the stir sticks around the tubing?

Thinking a bit more on this, while stir sticks are a good 'proof of concept experiment' I think they are not 'a tidy solution'?

How about a clip on metal sleeve? Say a piece of metal tube as long as the Silicone tube it's supporting with a strip removed so it covers say 225 degrees? Enough to support but still 'clip' on and off. You could bevel/radius one (or both) edges to make it easier to get on and off (or allow more degrees of support).

You could use Brass.....which polishes up real nice. Or SS or Aluminum......

Or not.

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Whoa...you wanna use that big ol bubbler while driving? :o Don't get too greedy stevey! We're talking about risks and dangers here...that seems germane. Would seem difficult to keep a 2 foot bubbler from breaking while using in my car, plus a dead giveaway to anyone watching you use it?
The hydratube we ordered is only like 9 inches. It's 24cm. I actually used to carry around a 2ft bong everywhere because it was the only way for me to feel medicated before I switched to waxes. Nevertheless I think I should probably keep my driving/vaping habits to myself. I don't recommend anyone vape and drive
I'm still trying to decide if it would be more desireable to use the 2.5 or 2.7 cap with the pinnacle water tool?
if u do decide to use a cap the 2.7 cap will not work, it's too big. Using the 2.5 cap and atmos jewel mouthpiece was the best I can come up with. It basically only has 1 extra part, atmos jewel mouthpiece, and is very secure. But please share if you find a better way. I'm actually not too concerned about seeing the donut while fired when using straight bubblers. I wouldn't be able to see it anyway unless i tilt the entire unit pretty good while hitting. Also if that's important to u, you can always use the 2.5 Glass cap as u mentioned, but I see your point, and ideal connection would be straight from base to bubbler
 

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How about a clip on metal sleeve? Say a piece of metal tube as long as the Silicone tube it's supporting with a strip removed so it covers say 225 degrees? Enough to support but still 'clip' on and off.

That sounds like a good idea too. I was only skimming over what you guys were talking about, but what if you just get a harder, a little larger vinyl tubing, cut a line down the middle, and just wrap it over your silicone tube. Or maybe, if possible, find a larger vinyl tube that you can pull the silicone tube through, so you don't have to cut it and it will be more clean overall. Just a thought. Not sure if it will work. Goodluck
 

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The eVic VTC-Mini has received a couple of updates since I last mentioned it.

3.02 - Adds custom Logo, changes the menus a little, adds the TCR value to the display when in TCR mode.
3.03 - Adds Flappy Birds game. (no shit).

Go here for the main download page. Once there you will find info about all the updates as well as download links for both Mac and PC. Joyetech nicely gives you ALL the firmware versions, back to 1.02, if you prefer one of the older displays.

Here's a chart of the updates, but be sure to click the above link to get the complete story.


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If you go here, you'll find the main Joyetch update page, which has links to all their upgradable mods (eGrip II, Cuboid Mini, Cuboid, MVR, and more).



And last, but not least, if you are into hacking (in the best sense) your firmware, you GOTTA check out the NFirmwareEditor. (Click here). NFirmwareEditor is a firmware resource editor for vape devices such as: Evic VTC Mini, Cuboid, RX200, PresaTC75W and so on... This is a direct link to the download page. You can edit all the text and graphics AND there are numerous patch files available to add/change a bunch of the functionality. (Note that the functionality patch files for the eVic VTC-Mini are only current to firmware 3.01, so if you want to implement them you'll need to stick with 3.01 and "give up" the flappy birds game...)

Don't hurt yourself.

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