The 2016 Presidential Candidates Thread

Gunky said:

To posters who started out saying the Bill Clinton economy was just internet boom and then when presented with (overwhelming) evidence to the contrary start searching for other factors (besides Bill) which can explain it - this type of behavior is a classic case of starting out from the conclusion and proceeding to cherry pick evidence to support that conclusion. Get over it! Bill Clinton was actually one of the best presidents in the last century. There were two times I can remember the economy really roaring. One was the late fifties and sixties and the other was the eight years of Bill Clinton.

Clinton had a smart foreign policy. He was concerned about Bin Laden, tried to kill him a few times, and gave the Bushies stern warnings about him which they ignored. Clinton attempted to get universal health-care, but was stymied by the same forces that have tried to repeal Obamacare umpteen times. Anyone who thinks we are going to have single-payer anytime soon needs to give some thought to this continuous and ongoing resistance.

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I never said it was the dot com boom which caused the success of the 90's, I just said that Clinton can't hold all of the credit for the economy being successful. The cold war had just effectively been won, and the United States was at the height of it's global dominance. You claiming that Clinton should get the credit for the economy is just as absurd as saying the dot com boom is solely to blame for the economy being successful.

And Clinton's actions against Bin Laden did not help at all. In fact it was Clinton's bombing of a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan which empowered Al Qaeda and gave them propaganda to spread.

Trump said, U.S can't default on the debt because we print the money. He's an absolute nut case when those that are in the know explain some of Trumps plans. He would destroy our economy with some of his ideas.

Tomorrow he may say never mind. That's what he's been doing a lot lately. He'll say one thing that's batshit then finds out from somebody that's intelligent that it doesn't make sense so he will change his mind. He talks before he has a chance to find out what's going on. Not a good character trait in a president.

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Somebody needs to tell Trump on occasion that he is out of line. He needs to be treated like a child if he's going to act like one.

CarolKing said:

Trump said, U.S can't default on the debt because we print the money. He's an absolute nut case when those that are in the know explain some of Trumps plans. He would destroy our economy with some of his ideas.

Tomorrow he may say never mind. That's what he's been doing a lot lately.

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Another of the reasons Trump is so worrisome....a career politician like Hillary can't flip flop (I'm sorry, I meant change her mind) like Trump without being called on it. Trump on the other hand simply changes his mind and " It's Ok" cause he's not a 'real' politician and this is all new to him.

CarolKing said:

Trump said, U.S can't default on the debt because we print the money. He's an absolute nut case when those that are in the know explain some of Trumps plans. He would destroy our economy with some of his ideas.

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Why Mexican ex president Fox doesn’t think Trump will change if he becomes president

" In Latin America, we have a lot of experience on this. We were in the hands of dictators, messianic leaders, and we paid a huge price. The Perons, the Evitas, the Hugo Chavezes, the Evo Moraleses have destroyed, absolutely destroyed, those economies. Of course when they were campaigning, people said the same: “Nah, don’t worry, they won’t do it.”

His_Highness said:

a career politician like Hillary can't flip flop (I'm sorry, I meant change her mind)

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I am curious about what inspired you to express this and what you intended to convey.

CarolKing said:

Trump had affairs while he was married to his first and second wife. What goes on between a husband and a wife is their business and should stay that way. Hillary needs to ignore Trump's cheap shots about her husband. She needs to rise above it.

It was her decision to stay married to her husband and it's nobody's business.

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Agree to disagree, when you are in a public position, now you're open for public opinion and public ridicule. (Just like Trump) The decisions she made, should reflect or give us an idea of the decisions she will make.

It seems like people want to shy away from it, because it paints the Clinton's in a poor light. Don't think it's the end all be all point that should be made into why Hilary would not be a good president, but to ignore it because it is a "husband and wifes business" when that husband and wife will be running the country seems very pick and choosy.

My overall point, in bringing it up, is the idea of "character". When the main cons everyone is listing are that trump lacks character and will rub people the wrong way........I just personally don't see why other politicians who are democratic can lack character and it be shied away. In general.

You think Chris Stevens family is of the opinion that Hilary would be a better leader? That she has more character and is a better overall person than Donald Trump? Rhetorical question.....but it is interesting how we all value and put certain amount of stock into different things.

Don't agree with everything this article says, but its a nice perspective.

http://www.headlinepolitics.com/3-reasons-trumps-affairs-clintons-differ/

Gunky:

No one said that Clinton didn't have a role in the economic upswing of the 90s. And no one said that the dot.com boom was soley what caused the economic upswing. But you're totally right. It was primarily Clinton. You're totally right too, it was only Bush who screwed up with Bin Laden, not the examples where Clinton screwed up...... Everyone who writes articles that say otherwise or mention another point isn't actually informed ..... (you realize how uninformed this makes you sound?)

I'm sure in your mind it is totally GWB fault for ISIS and only him.

Funny that you mention cherry picking, I had assumed you lived on an orchid by how woefully incomplete of a picture you paint, but that's not cherry picking right, that's the truth???

Thats the most interesting thing to me, how we can all see things differently. It's interesting to me someone as old as you would simplify issues and cast one group soly as a villain and other solely as a hero.....I just saw the new Avengers movie, even their characters have more depth than that black and white red and blue good vs evil pretty envious to be able to see the world that simply.

We will only have 2 choices come November. If you think Trump has the character and the experience vote for him. It's your choice as an American. That's all I have to say.

Maitri said:

I am curious about what inspired you to express this and what you intended to convey.

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I think what was meant is that hillary is more likely to be held accountable for her stated positions.

CarolKing said:

Trump said, U.S can't default on the debt because we print the money. He's an absolute nut case when those that are in the know explain some of Trumps plans. He would destroy our economy with some of his ideas.

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What I believe he meant is because our dollar is still the reserve currency of the world, we are uniquely positioned to print as much money as we want. This insane proposition is known as quantitative easing, and it's why we can run up as much debt as we please. At least that's what I think he was alluding to.

CarolKing said:

Trump had affairs while he was married to his first and second wife. What goes on between a husband and a wife is their business and should stay that way. Hillary needs to ignore Trump's cheap shots about her husband. She needs to rise above it.

It was her decision to stay married to her husband and it's nobody's business.

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Hopefully, Trump will exhaust that subject early.

Aside from Hillary's personal affairs. A former President who is a First 'Man' will get attention. BTW. Is there a proper title in place for Bill if she does win the election? That will be historic, if anything.

So is Christie supposed to be Trumps translator last I read? He is Anti-MJ and use it as a scapegoat for other failed policies. He should be watched closely this election.

Read of some rumbles and 3rd party options of RNC members to run a former establishment Republican as an Independent to torpedo Trump.

If there is any good to come out of this. It should open things up for independents and other parties to be in all 50 states in future elections. Before, there were some laws put in place by both parties to protect them from independents from being voted in all 50 states. Plus each state level requirements needed to be a candidate. Remember the hoops Ross Perot had to go through to be on the ballot on all 50 states?

Ballot Rules: Easiest, Toughest States for Candidates
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/ballot-rules-easiest-toughest-states-for-candidates/

I want to revisit that subject, because if the Republicans run an Independent(R) as a serious candidate vs Trump this late in the game, then they have to pave over these roadblocks that were in place or it will appear even more cynical of an ploy to diehard Republicans who will blindly vote the ticket.

CuckFumbustion said:

Read of some rumbles and 3rd party options of RNC members to run a former establishment Republican as an Independent to torpedo Trump.

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This is what I expect to occur. There will be no way to save the election, but as long as there is someone on the ballot that Republicans can vote for they may decide not to stay home, which is the Republican elites greatest fear (and my greatest hope). Not to torpedo Trump, that is unnecessary, but to have someone to vote FOR.

I think they will put Romney or some other establishment Republican up as a third party...

cybrguy said:

This is what I expect to occur. There will be no way to save the election, but as long as there is someone on the ballot that Republicans can vote for they may decide not to stay home, which is the Republican elites greatest fear (and my greatest hope). Not to torpedo Trump, that is unnecessary, but to have someone to vote FOR.

I think they will put Romney or some other establishment Republican up as a third party...

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They possibly are hedging their bets, in case he self implodes beforehand.
If they can a candidate on nearly all 50 states within time, then it can be an election where die-hards and can feel like they saved the party instead of staying home.
Otherwise, Trump will berate them as pathetic on his Twitter feed.

If Jeb Bush were a real American he'd call for a meeting on Fox News with Trump to let him know face to face he is now supporting him... Then when they start talking live on camera... Jeb just pulls out a revolver and shoots Trump in the face then just empties the other five shots into him,,, and starts muttering to himself h0w he "is not a pussy",,, meh he'll get community service or couple years at most

Hope he saves one for O'Reilly...

Detonator said:

If Jeb Bush were a real American he'd call for a meeting on Fox News with Trump to let him know face to face he is now supporting him... Then when they start talking live on camera... Jeb just pulls out a revolver and shots Trump in the face then just empties the other five shoots into him,,, meh he'll get community service or couple years at most

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This Jeb Bush? For respect of the office of President, they should use dueling pistols. Trump would agree to it, if it was held at one of his Casinos.
He would even promote it and sell some Trump steaks and Trump wine on the side.

CarolKing said:

Somebody needs to tell Trump on occasion that he is out of line. He needs to be treated like a child if he's going to act like one.

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Gotta love Anderson. We need more like him.

With N. Korea, ISIS and global warming there is so much to talk about regarding how you would go about being president. There needs to be dialog about issues more that I'm going to build a wall. I still don't understand how Trump will replace Obamacare? I hear only about healthcare savings accounts.

All this dumping on Hillary regarding her husband's affair makes Trump look like a bully.

I think CNN bends over backwards to be polite to everyone. Anderson Cooper always states the questions in a tactful polite way. He almost crossed over the line.

CuckFumbustion said:

This Jeb Bush? ]

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lol,,, meh nevermind... He is a pussy... But One of those so gun toting republicans ought to be getting a message from there god telling them enough is enough.... shoot him...

We are all so selfish. Is there ever to be a leader with the vision to steer a path on which we can march the next thousand years with sure-footed compassion & competence for the benefit of all on this planet? Not yet possible... we breed even the best candidates to be overly reactive and short-sighted to present day extremist radical dilemmas. What we need is a candidate who is both pragmatic and committed with a thousand year solid visionary stare. Everything else is just going to be cheap political soap opera mentality... the epitaph of our lifetimes for the foreseeable future. We are selfish short-sighted idiots, all!

@Snappo
"Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer"

TeeJay1952 said:

@Snappo
"Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer"

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Would you mind clarifying the meaning of your post? Are you equating me & my post to hitler and his hideously egregious speech?

Among the many reasons I have admired President Obama is his ability to coolly rise above the present day irrational obsessions of extremists and radicals, native and abroad. Not that I agree with all of his positions, but in my view his is the clearest and most future cognizant view more-so than any I've heard for a long long while. History will tell all, and I think history's gaze will look back favorably into Obama's unfairly maligned visionary stare.

cybrguy said:

This is what I expect to occur. There will be no way to save the election, but as long as there is someone on the ballot that Republicans can vote for they may decide not to stay home, which is the Republican elites greatest fear (and my greatest hope). Not to torpedo Trump, that is unnecessary, but to have someone to vote FOR.

I think they will put Romney or some other establishment Republican up as a third party...

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Mr. Trump likely worries the Republican on at least two fronts: losing the Presidential election, and losing valuable seats in both houses, which seems quite a bit more likely if their voters decide to withhold their vote.

The strength of America is not that we all think the same way but we act together in spite of our differences.
Your vision of a thousand years marching in lockstep referenced the Reich in my mind. I do indeed hope that you have loftier ideals. I was shocked by what I thought were obvious inferences (1000 years, strong leader, good of the nation...)but I see know is a leap of faith that you didn't intend and it is only my warped sensibilities in play.
My apologies.

One of Trump's surrogates on CNN and a woman said there are accusations that Bill Clinton had raped a women. I've never heard that.

I wouldnt be surprised if Trump didn't get some of these women that Bill Clinton supposably had affairs with to be in a political ad saying how Hillery treated them. I'm afraid this is going to get bad.

The superpac that are Hillary supporters had released snip its of a political ad that has some damaging stuff about Trump. Now Trump will just escalate with his attacks.

It's like shooting fish in a barrel. Just poke him a little and he'll make a complete ass of himself. Doesn't even require much prompting. A few months of this and the repubs will turn out and vote against him just to make him shut up.

Just this last week he suggested the US bargain with its creditors and try to get them to write off our debt. That'll be great for our credit rating.

Trump Veepstakes: Who's In, Who's Out? Chris Christie Given a Job – But Not as Running Mate
http://www.people.com/article/donald-trump-vice-president-chris-christie-running-mate
Trump has appointed Christie the chairman of a "Transition Team" to help "take over the White House when we win in November."
Am I paranoid or will Trump will do his damage while in office, quit in a huff and hand the mess to Christie who will scapegoat and bully even more people and throw them in jail and go Neo-con. And I can't stand the Jimmy Fallon interviews with him. and that I just don't 'get' Jimmy Fallon.