Discontinued Elevape SV

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Mr Mellish said:
It's that fiddly-ness that has mine collecting dust. I loved it before it drifted out of tolerance and I can't figure out why it started to drift; I never touched the coil. With a new coil, it seems light on heat but it has hot spots that I hadn't had before. For me, quick sessions are required and there isn't the luxury of time for tweaking.
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Sorry to hear that bro. Would like to come over and tweak it for ya so you could enjoy it again. Mine is going strong and I'm pumped to hear that there's gonna be a new version. Be sure to keep yours. I'm sure good times are about to come to you too!:)

Yesterday I had the pleasure to connect the ESV to a cane gun. Some kinda j-hook /sherlock thingy. What a fukkin great match... Decided to put some water inn and I had a nice and mellow little session. Have to put that in pictures next time. Really great combo!
 
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Mr Mellish said:
It's that fiddly-ness that has mine collecting dust. I loved it before it drifted out of tolerance and I can't figure out why it started to drift; I never touched the coil. With a new coil, it seems light on heat but it has hot spots that I hadn't had before. For me, quick sessions are required and there isn't the luxury of time for tweaking.
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Yeah, sorry to hear that. Might be something worth reaching out to Joe on, but I understand many don't want to be hassled with having to take that step - it takes time and money to send the unit back, if that's what Joe thinks it needs.
 
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Farkas said:
That said, it's still hard for me to believe that the ESV hasn't gotten more play/gained more traction in the FC community. Is it the price point, perhaps? With a good discount you can get it new for $260ish, and even in the classifieds here you can often get a screaming deal on a used one.
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I think you put your finger right on it. It's expensive to make, much more so than most vapes I suspect. That means the wholesale price has to be higher than average (IMO much higher than say a FM or Solo/Air) which makes marketing it other than directly much harder. Distributors and Dealers both want 'their cut' of the sale price. On average I'd guess MSRP is several times 'out the door wholesale' (materials, direct labor and overhead)......following the industry standard marketing it'd cost as much or more than a Volcano?

And the other factor working against us is it's definitely a niche market. Cloud chasers will pass it by in a heartbeat. Short battery life and lack of battery swap options further limit it's potential customer base.

IMO it's a limited production vape, a specialist tool, not intended or suitable to the masses. A joy to own, but not a joy all will share.

Mr Mellish said:
For me, quick sessions are required and there isn't the luxury of time for tweaking.
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A good example of 'not for all folks'? It is a bit fiddly for sure, and ironically that needs to be done before it's needed. Mine is sitting, loaded, tweaked and ready to go when I reach for it. When I use it and put it up again it'll be in the same condition. I have time for fiddling before the need, not all do. Not a good tool for impatient/poorly organized guys I guess? Amongst others......

For those of us who 'hang in there' (or maybe just get lucky) it can pay big dividends........both in performance and pride of ownership. Very cool product IMO. Now, if we could just get maybe half (?) to cost out of it.......

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OF said:
I think you put your finger right on it. It's expensive to make, much more so than most vapes I suspect. That means the wholesale price has to be higher than average (IMO much higher than say a FM or Solo/Air) which makes marketing it other than directly much harder. Distributors and Dealers both want 'their cut' of the sale price. On average I'd guess MSRP is several times 'out the door wholesale' (materials, direct labor and overhead)......following the industry standard marketing it'd cost as much or more than a Volcano?

And the other factor working against us is it's definitely a niche market. Cloud chasers will pass it by in a heartbeat. Short battery life and lack of battery swap options further limit it's potential customer base.

IMO it's a limited production vape, a specialist tool, not intended or suitable to the masses. A joy to own, but not a joy all will share.



A good example of 'not for all folks'? It is a bit fiddly for sure, and ironically that needs to be done before it's needed. Mine is sitting, loaded, tweaked and ready to go when I reach for it. When I use it and put it up again it'll be in the same condition. I have time for fiddling before the need, not all do. Not a good tool for impatient/poorly organized guys I guess? Amongst others......

For those of us who 'hang in there' (or maybe just get lucky) it can pay big dividends........both in performance and pride of ownership. Very cool product IMO. Now, if we could just get maybe half (?) to cost out of it.......

OF
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Good call regarding cost. It's definitely a niche piece, both in cost and usage. Most want (and rightfully so) a product that works straight away right out of the box. Not saying the ESV doesn't deliver on that front, but in order to maximize its potential, you have to have a willingness to experiment with it. The juice was definitely worth the squeeze as far as I'm concerned, and the ability to adjust it as needed is a good thing, IMO, since most of the higher tech vapes require mail back service to be sorted if something goes sideways with them.

Regarding cloud chasers: once dialed in this thing can hang with many on that front, at least mine can. Again, it took a while to get there, but tinkering with it while learning the right draw technique can yield very satisfying results. :nod:
 
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I do enjoy my ESV when it's working correctly. However, I had it dialed in, and was loving it, but a new coil has me searching for the sweet spot again. I know I could get it dialed in once more, but it's just a lot easier to pick up the VapCap, knowing that it's gonna work without question.

On the other hand, Joe stated that the new model will work better out of the box, so that's something to consider. Also, I like an occasional middle-of-the-night session, when I'm having trouble sleeping, and I can't get my head around using a torch in bed to heat the VapCap, so that's a strong argument for battery power! Different needs, different solutions.
 
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Hi, my ESV is running colder than before...now I use setting 3-4 for the beginning and before I always started at 1. I prefer it like that cause I can play more with t°...but maybe it's a bad sign for my ESV coil longlife....
 
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PPN said:
Hi, my ESV is running colder than before...now I use setting 3-4 for the beginning and before I always started at 1. I prefer it like that cause I can play more with t°...but maybe it's a bad sign for my ESV coil longlife....
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Do you have a spare coil at hand?

Have you changed your coil angle and distance to the lens?
"Normally" 305 would be too low anyway - if adjusted to provide correct temps. Mine works pretty precisely from what I can tell about taste, effects and color. I usually start at 345.
Maybe it's worth a try to tweak it? If you don't have a spare coil, give me a shot. I think I have a second one somewhere.. They're pretty durable, never had to change mine.

Have a happy Easter week end everyone!
:peace:
 
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vapen00b said:
Do you have a spare coil at hand?

Have you changed your coil angle and distance to the lens?
"Normally" 305 would be too low anyway - if adjusted to provide correct temps. Mine works pretty precisely from what I can tell about taste, effects and color. I usually start at 345.
Maybe it's worth a try to tweak it? If you don't have a spare coil, give me a shot. I think I have a second one somewhere.. They're pretty durable, never had to change mine.

Have a happy Easter week end everyone!
:peace:
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Didn't changed since my initial tweak more than 1 year ago (I don't remenber precisely). Still on the first coil too ... although I noticed maybe the issue is coming from my weed, actually the weed i vape is Killer Kush and it need higher t° to brownish.... I'll try with my better weed to check...and report later.
 
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PPN said:
Didn't changed since my initial tweak more than 1 year ago (I don't remenber precisely). Still on the first coil too ... although I noticed maybe the issue is coming from my weed, actually the weed i vape is Killer Kush and it need higher t° to brownish.... I'll try with my better weed to check...and report later.
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Hey mate,

yeah, that's definitely a factor. Moisture of the material.
A few pages back I reported about this... stash of a friends didn't seem to produce those clouds, effects were there tho, vaporization takes place nevertheless..common physics. ;) Getting back using my material everything was running cloudy like before.
All about what you put inside, even the herbie can't do magic as I've just read somewhere :D
Hope you will enjoy your ESV for the holidays! :)
 
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Hey mate,

yeah, that's definitely a factor. Moisture of the material.
A few pages back I reported about this... stash of a friends didn't seem to produce those clouds, effects were there tho, vaporization takes place nevertheless..common physics. ;) Getting back using my material everything was running cloudy like before.
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I agree. My coil is angled upwards (after much trial and error), so it's most likely running hotter than 325 the app says it is. But I've found that grinding up the herb and letting it sit in the grinder for a day or so yields very good results as it allows any excess moisture to evaporate.
 
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5 days since anyone posted in this thread. I think people must be waiting for the next iteration we've been hearing about.

In any event, I got busy with cleaning my vapes this morning, and decided to resurrect my ESV. After getting it back from the vaporizer hospital, I wasn't thrilled with results, as I was finding it easy to combust. Thus, it was simply set aside to allow my VapCaps to show what they can do.

I've been enjoying the heck out of those things, but I knew that a properly tweaked ESV can hold a prominent position in the lineup. I charged it up, verified the temp settings (320F, 340F, and 360F), and confirmed that the heater angle hadn't changed. So, nothing I could affect had changed as compared to its pre-repair state, yet I was combusting.....but the heater had been replaced. There had been nothing wrong with the heater, Joe said, but he replaced it anyway.

My heater was angled downward about 5 degrees, and I knew from previous experience, and others' posts in this thread, that this was unusual. Now, I figured that with this being a different heating element, perhaps I needed to go with about a 15 degree angle. I adjusted it, and blew into the USB port to check the heater (to make sure I hadn't broken it when adjusting). After reassembly, I checked for air leaks, and found that I was indeed sucking a bit of air with the USB port covered.

The point here, is that I discovered that using the USB port like I use the carb hole on a VapCap, which is to say "fluttering" it with a finger, I could get great flavor and huge clouds at 320F. And, with the heating element angled further down, no combustion thus far. Of course, I've found that most times when I get excited about a technique with any vape, the honeymoon eventually comes to an end. I'm hopeful though, and I'll let you know how I feel about it after more use.

I hate searching, so I hope nobody tells me this carb thing is old news. :shrug:Never mind, I had a brain fart and forgot my signature philosophy for a moment. Also, I'm quite stoned.
 
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RelaxedNow said:
5 days since anyone posted in this thread. I think people must be waiting for the next iteration we've been hearing about.

In any event, I got busy with cleaning my vapes this morning, and decided to resurrect my ESV. After getting it back from the vaporizer hospital, I wasn't thrilled with results, as I was finding it easy to combust. Thus, it was simply set aside to allow my VapCaps to show what they can do.

I've been enjoying the heck out of those things, but I knew that a properly tweaked ESV can hold a prominent position in the lineup. I charged it up, verified the temp settings (320F, 340F, and 360F), and confirmed that the heater angle hadn't changed. So, nothing I could affect had changed as compared to its pre-repair state, yet I was combusting.....but the heater had been replaced. There had been nothing wrong with the heater, Joe said, but he replaced it anyway.

My heater was angled downward about 5 degrees, and I knew from previous experience, and others' posts in this thread, that this was unusual. Now, I figured that with this being a different heating element, perhaps I needed to go with about a 15 degree angle. I adjusted it, and blew into the USB port to check the heater (to make sure I hadn't broken it when adjusting). After reassembly, I checked for air leaks, and found that I was indeed sucking a bit of air with the USB port covered.

The point here, is that I discovered that using the USB port like I use the carb hole on a VapCap, which is to say "fluttering" it with a finger, I could get great flavor and huge clouds at 320F. And, with the heating element angled further down, no combustion thus far. Of course, I've found that most times when I get excited about a technique with any vape, the honeymoon eventually comes to an end. I'm hopeful though, and I'll let you know how I feel about it after more use.

I hate searching, so I hope nobody tells me this carb thing is old news. :shrug:Never mind, I had a brain fart and forgot my signature philosophy for a moment. Also, I'm quite stoned.
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Hey man, great to hear you're back on the ESV!
I've never heard of the carb USB thing... Actually I think, you are not supposed to use it that way. Only got the advice to not cover the USB hole as it's basically the air intake. If you draw air from somewhere else, the body isn't properly sealed, I'd say and you might wanna check the screws etc.
Most importantly is that you're enjoying your ESV - at least I never tried you're way. I had my coil angled slightly downwards towards the sensor and managed to heat consistently, pretty precisely and evenly.

Have a great evening everyone!
 
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vapen00b said:
Hey man, great to hear you're back on the ESV!
I've never heard of the carb USB thing... Actually I think, you are not supposed to use it that way. Only got the advice to not cover the USB hole as it's basically the air intake. If you draw air from somewhere else, the body isn't properly sealed, I'd say and you might wanna check the screws etc.
Most importantly is that you're enjoying your ESV - at least I never tried you're way. I had my coil angled slightly downwards towards the sensor and managed to heat consistently, pretty precisely and evenly.

Have a great evening everyone!
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Yeah, I know it shouldn't leak air, but I couldn't get it to seal better, so I just rolled with it. I will take your advice though, and work on getting it to seal better. Then, I'll compare it without an air leak, and decide which I like better. Realistically, that'll probably be using it as intended.

As to the angle, I think maybe my last coil wasn't heating as much as most, because I had to angle it less in order to get good vapor....or maybe there was a battery issue or something else that has been repaired and is making the difference. After all, it did die completely before I sent it in.
 
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Even though mine hasn't seen use in quite a while now, packed away, I don't ever plan to get rid of it, still an amazing piece of vapor tech even if I found a better solution for myself as of late... I do plan to own the sequel eventually too
 
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RelaxedNow said:
5 days since anyone posted in this thread. I think people must be waiting for the next iteration we've been hearing about.

In any event, I got busy with cleaning my vapes this morning, and decided to resurrect my ESV. After getting it back from the vaporizer hospital, I wasn't thrilled with results, as I was finding it easy to combust. Thus, it was simply set aside to allow my VapCaps to show what they can do.

I've been enjoying the heck out of those things, but I knew that a properly tweaked ESV can hold a prominent position in the lineup. I charged it up, verified the temp settings (320F, 340F, and 360F), and confirmed that the heater angle hadn't changed. So, nothing I could affect had changed as compared to its pre-repair state, yet I was combusting.....but the heater had been replaced. There had been nothing wrong with the heater, Joe said, but he replaced it anyway.

My heater was angled downward about 5 degrees, and I knew from previous experience, and others' posts in this thread, that this was unusual. Now, I figured that with this being a different heating element, perhaps I needed to go with about a 15 degree angle. I adjusted it, and blew into the USB port to check the heater (to make sure I hadn't broken it when adjusting). After reassembly, I checked for air leaks, and found that I was indeed sucking a bit of air with the USB port covered.

The point here, is that I discovered that using the USB port like I use the carb hole on a VapCap, which is to say "fluttering" it with a finger, I could get great flavor and huge clouds at 320F. And, with the heating element angled further down, no combustion thus far. Of course, I've found that most times when I get excited about a technique with any vape, the honeymoon eventually comes to an end. I'm hopeful though, and I'll let you know how I feel about it after more use.

I hate searching, so I hope nobody tells me this carb thing is old news. :shrug:Never mind, I had a brain fart and forgot my signature philosophy for a moment. Also, I'm quite stoned.
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The USB carb technique is new to me. It's interesting to hear, but I don't know that I'll try it. My unit is still going strong (knock on wood), so I don't have a specific need to alter my method of using it. My ESV has been getting all the work as of late; poor Daisy is feeling neglected (although I did clean her up today and gave her a nice rubdown with some hemp oil/beeswax conditioner that I made a while back). Between the ESV's form factor and on demand performance, it really is hard to beat, IMO. Love this thing, but I am intrigued to see what the O2 brings to the table once it's released.
 
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Anyone run their esv thru a water piece? If so what kind of setup?
I've used VB tubing and my pinnacle wt
 
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Anyone run their esv thru a water piece? If so what kind of setup?
I've used VB tubing and my pinnacle wt
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If you have a jhook try that one with a little water. It's great!
I got the "cane gun" and attached the ESV to it with a piece of silicone tubing. Filled it some water - still fantastic flavor, ultra smooth and water filtered! :tup:

Gotta see, if I find a pic
 
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i wish i still had my jhook..i used to use it with my ssfg ashcatcher and i used to use it the jhook with the supreme..super hard hitting without water filtration.

silicone tubing seems to be the go to..debating on getting the small water adapter from delta labs and see if it will fit the esv
 
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blackbur said:
i wish i still had my jhook..i used to use it with my ssfg ashcatcher and i used to use it the jhook with the supreme..super hard hitting without water filtration.

silicone tubing seems to be the go to..debating on getting the small water adapter from delta labs and see if it will fit the esv
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Hey man,
Yeah, a jhook is really nice with the ESV also.

Could you provide a link to your delta water adapter. You got my attention! :)

Thanks man
 
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Great, thanks!:)


Here's a pic of the ESV connected to my j-hook- broke the reducer a while ago. Gotta get a new one urgently.

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