Boundless CF / CFX / CF-Hybrid

Milkytime

Milkytime

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Thanks boundless fot the great live stream, it was a bit choppy day of but i rewatched the video on youtube. I really appreciate you bricking that unit to show us the insides.
Im back and forth between the CF and CFX just go to decide. I think im leaning tword the CF just a bit more stealthy.
 
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little maggie

little maggie

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I tried to order but the discount code came out invalid. Has anyone else had this problem?
 
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Milkytime

Milkytime

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Yeah it was a hard one for me, i broke down and went with the CF i didn't need it but damn im impressed enough. a bit smaller more stealth with no huge light up screen as i will prolly take this one out n about. Looseing the 15 degress kinda hurts but i have devices for higher temp vaping so i guess ima take that hit. Also i usually vape at 390-420 on most other device so i think it will work out. The battery life being about the same also pushed me twords the CF. The wpa they are going to send out i think is what sealed the deal for me. Made me want to buy from these guys, they really seem like they are trying to take care of their costumers.
109$ shipped is pretty damn awesome and if this one gets stolen lost confiscated im prolly not going to feel as butthurt about it.
Im keeping my eye on yall @Boundless Vape Technology i think there is good things to come looking foward to that full convection model you mentioned.
 
little maggie

little maggie

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Milkytime said:
Yeah it was a hard one for me, i broke down and went with the CF i didn't need it but damn im impressed enough. a bit smaller more stealth with no huge light up screen as i will prolly take this one out n about. Looseing the 15 degress kinda hurts but i have devices for higher temp vaping so i guess ima take that hit. Also i usually vape at 390-420 on most other device so i think it will work out. The battery life being about the same also pushed me twords the CF. The wpa also made me want to buy from these guys, they really seem like they are trying to take care of their costumers.
109$ shipped is pretty damn awesome and if this one gets stolen lost confiscated im prolly not going to feel as butthurt about it.
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Did the discount code work for you?
 
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BobWehadababyitsaboy

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ginolicious said:
In their stream events where they discussed both the CF and CFX, they did mention that the CFX has less draw resistance as the airpath is slightly larger.
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I saw the livestream too, and that's not quite how I interpreted their remarks. I took it as the CFX has a longer metal intake tube than the CF.

Assuming the intake tubes on both models have the same diameters, the length of each tube won't have any effect on draw resistance. Imagine two identical garden hoses - one cut to 30' and the other cut to 50'. Both hoses would spray the same amount of water on full blast. The limiting factor is the width/diameter of the tube (or in this case hose), not the length. Since any air doesn't touch the heating element until it has exited the intake tube, the length of the intake tube shouldn't affect anything temperature related either.

@Boundless Vape Technology , do the CF and CFX use intake tubes with the same or different diameters?
 
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Putricio

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If you guys are concerned with draw restriction, just take the stock mouthpiece screen out and replace it with an ELB cap. This improved the airflow quite a bit for me. It also seemed to hit more consistently that way. I noticed I got big clouds at lower temperatures, and didn't need to stir the bowl for an even extraction when using the ELB cap as a screen. Hope this helps.
 
uhranium

uhranium

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What's better, a brand new mighty for 250€ from SB website or this thing? Which isn't available yet here I guess.
 
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Fat Freddy

Fat Freddy

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Hey @Boundless Vape Technology,

Question or two for your tech folks.

Your website states the following: "The Boundless CF has a fully isolated air path that cools the smoke simultaneously while the user vapes, without the byproducts of combustion smoke. Heats up in about 20 seconds or less."

- So what temp does the CF reach at 20 seconds? At 10 seconds?

- Also, how does the isolated air path, "...cools the smoke simultaneously..."?

- Finally, has the temperature in the oven been measured to see if it correlates accurately and consistently with the heat-up time claim of 20 seconds?

Thanks!

.
 
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stickstones

stickstones

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Fat Freddy said:
Hey @Boundless Vape Technology,

Question or two for your tech folks.

Your website states the following: "The Boundless CF has a fully isolated air path that cools the smoke simultaneously while the user vapes, without the byproducts of combustion smoke. Heats up in about 20 seconds or less."

- So what temp does the CF reach at 20 seconds? At 10 seconds?

- Also, how does the isolated air path, "...cools the smoke simultaneously..."?

- Finally, has the temperature in the oven been measured to see if it correlates accurately and consistently with the heat-up time claim of 20 seconds?

Thanks!

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And let's get all those references to smoke out of your ad copy!

EDIT: I just watched a decent portion of the most recent live stream and wanted to give you some feedback on the mouthpiece. It's good like it is. I like how it swings out of the way and makes the CF look inconspicuous. I also put both Boundless vapes and both S&B portables in front of two women who don't vape, so they know nothing of vapor quality. I asked them both which ones they liked the feel of best and which they thought was better without using them. They both like the Boundless design better, and were shocked that they were only half the price of the S&B's. In particular, one of the women didn't like how the S&B mouthpiece made her purse her lips more than the Boundless mouthpiece. The Boundless ones felt more relaxing with their wide, slim design. Obviously this is all personal preference, but I wanted you guys to hear that perspective as you are tweaking units.

Also, did I hear you guys right that the only thing heated directly is the SS heat exchanger tube, and not the ceramic oven above? If you aren't heating the oven, I suggest you call it a loading chamber or crucible or something, as the term oven seems to mean a conduction chamber in vapeland.
 
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Vambo1980

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stickstones said:
And let's get all those references to smoke out of your ad copy!


Also, did I hear you guys right that the only thing heated directly is the SS heat exchanger tube, and not the ceramic oven above? If you aren't heating the oven, I suggest you call it a loading chamber or crucible or something, as the term oven seems to mean a conduction chamber in vapeland.
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Agreed get rid of the smoke!:goon:

I was under the impression that the ceramic oven/cylinder part is the only heating source and the ss spiral air-path just gets hot from the radiant heat of the outer ceramic heater tube... the actual heating element inside the ceramic walls could be run towards the lower part of the oven only, projecting more heat towards the spiral air-path getting it hot.

Could do with that heater section that was cut out that CFX for further inspection :)
 
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shaolinmilk

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I'm going to get this unit, however I am absolutely torn between the CF or CFX. Some members say both units function the same, however some else stated that there was more draw restriction on the CF... hmmm...
 
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Boundless Vape Technology

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BobWehadababyitsaboy said:
@Boundless Vape Technology , do the CF and CFX use intake tubes with the same or different diameters?
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The Diameters would be the same.

Al.. said:
Coming to the Uk soon i hope? :)
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The Boundless Team will Be in the UK May 4th to the 7th. we are up for the innovation of the year award for our Hybrid Product. We are definitely going to be meeting with shops and distributors while we are there.

Fat Freddy said:
Hey @Boundless Vape Technology,
Your website states the following: "The Boundless CF has a fully isolated air path that cools the smoke simultaneously while the user vapes, without the byproducts of combustion smoke. Heats up in about 20 seconds or less."

- So what temp does the CF reach at 20 seconds? At 10 seconds?

- Also, how does the isolated air path, "...cools the smoke simultaneously..."?

- Finally, has the temperature in the oven been measured to see if it correlates accurately and consistently with the heat-up time claim of 20 seconds?
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1. The CF reaches max temp (415) within 20 Seconds. And can reach the base temp of (355) in 10 Seconds

2. Utilizing the Spiraled Air path the vapor is produced but enough cold draw gets threw the air way to allow for a decently cool vapor as oppose to the warm vape you would see out of most conduction units.

3. Yes all of our products are factory tested numerous times before being sealed and shipped.

(Keep in mind the heat up time is so rapid due to the High Wattage heating source)

stickstones said:
Also, did I hear you guys right that the only thing heated directly is the SS heat exchanger tube, and not the ceramic oven above? If you aren't heating the oven, I suggest you call it a loading chamber or crucible or something, as the term oven seems to mean a conduction chamber in vapeland.
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We totally agree with removing any reference of smoke, we Also agree that a loading chamber would be a much better way to describe the area that houses the blend.


Vambo1980 said:
Agreed get rid of the smoke!:goon:
the actual heating element inside the ceramic walls could be run towards the lower part of the oven only, projecting more heat towards the spiral air-path getting it hot.
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Yea so imagine a ceramic cylinder about 2 inches length. About Half way up the tube there is a ceramic separator and screen built in. The bottom half sits on top of the SS Heat Ex-changer. The Heating element is baked into the bottom portion of the tube. Almost what you had stated about the heat transferring down except it transfer up via thermal properties of the ceramic and largely based on the heat your creating with the air being drawn threw.
 
YaFreekin Right

YaFreekin Right

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BobWehadababyitsaboy said:
Assuming the intake tubes on both models have the same diameters, the length of each tube won't have any effect on draw resistance. Imagine two identical garden hoses - one cut to 30' and the other cut to 50'. Both hoses would spray the same amount of water on full blast. The limiting factor is the width/diameter of the tube (or in this case hose), not the length.
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Not true. Resistance increases linearly with distance. The longer 'hose' or 'tube' would have a larger pressure drop.
 
Vapzilla

Vapzilla

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Sorry but I'm still undecided on which model I want. Still may hold out for a hybrid, but idk. Too much Vas.

The draw resistance seems to be just about the same on the cf/cfx according to the consensus to not make it a major factor. Thanks to all that have chimed in on that.

@Boundless Vape Technology I would like to know if there's anyway to turn the lcd.. screen off on the cfx?

Is the heater exactly the same?
Reason I ask, your website calls out an 80 watt for the CFX but doesn't specify for the CF. And the max heat is only 415 for the CF compared to 430 on the CFX
And then there's the two batteries compared to just one in the CF.

And if the indicator lights on the CF show the battery level somehow?
Or are they just temp lights?
 
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Boundless Vape Technology

Boundless Vape Technology

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Vapzilla said:
@Boundless Vape Technology I would like to know if there's anyway to turn the lcd.. screen off on the cfx?

Is the heater exactly the same?
Reason I ask, your website calls out an 80 watt for the CFX but doesn't specify for the CF. And the max heat is only 415 for the CF compared to 430 on the CFX
And then there's the two batteries compared to just one in the CF.

And if the indicator lights on the CF show the battery level somehow?
Or are they just temp lights?
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First ill try to throw a little clarity your way as to which to choose between the CF and the CFX,

Personally I love my CF but The CFX is a beast with the screen, When its cut down to its core they are essentially the same unit. It will all come down to the deciding factor of really 2 things. Is size a factor for you?(not that its much larger) and is controlling your temp a factor? out side of that. although the battery is 1 compared to two. it is also removed of a large LED screen. so the life span of both i have found to be the same.

Questions:

1. The heaters are the same in both units
2. Currently you can not turn off the CFX screen but we are working on a stealth mode for it.
3. The CF does not currently indicate your battery life but we will be working to add that as well.
 
djchexxx

djchexxx

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Boundless Vape Technology said:
First ill try to throw a little clarity your way as to which to choose between the CF and the CFX,

Personally I love my CF but The CFX is a beast with the screen, When its cut down to its core they are essentially the same unit. It will all come down to the deciding factor of really 2 things. Is size a factor for you?(not that its much larger) and is controlling your temp a factor? out side of that. although the battery is 1 compared to two. it is also removed of a large LED screen. so the life span of both i have found to be the same.

Questions:

1. The heaters are the same in both units
2. Currently you can not turn off the CFX screen but we are working on a stealth mode for it.
3. The CF does not currently indicate your battery life but we will be working to add that as well.
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With the CFX stealth mode you guys are working on would users who already have the unit be able to get it through a user firmware update or would we have to purchase a new unit?

edit: Would it be possible for you guys to design a funnel for the bowl. I know it seems like a small thing but I think a lot of people would appreciate it.
 
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BobWehadababyitsaboy

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YaFreekin Right said:
Not true. Resistance increases linearly with distance. The longer 'hose' or 'tube' would have a larger pressure drop.
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I'm not talking about pressure drop. I'm talking about volumetric flow rate like in the Bernoulli equation, which doesn't involve pipe length. It's been a long time, but I thought I knew that one. Either way I need a new hose.
 
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little maggie

little maggie

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Just want to say that if price is a deciding issue between the 2 units- rather than the other reasons like stealth- the CFX price with the current discount and free shipping is an incredible deal. I didn't realize that they both come with a charger and ordered one. With their great customer service, they contacted me to let me know.
 
djchexxx

djchexxx

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little maggie said:
Just want to say that if price is a deciding issue between the 2 units- rather than the other reasons like stealth- the CFX price with the current discount and free shipping is an incredible deal. I didn't realize that they both come with a charger and ordered one. With their great customer service, they contacted me to let me know.
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The deciding factor for me was that the CFX can fully charge in 30mins via DC adapter! It was a no brainer for me. :sherlock:
 
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