Discontinued The Venus Apollo

GTAVaper

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Well this was going to be Edit 2.....but the editing time-frame limit timed out as a result of me getting distracted by something shiny in the middle of writing it......yup, I blame the Apollo ;)

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New Thoughts On Usage - New Configuration: I just adjusted the warmup setting to 3 min 15 sec - but I also don't keep the herb chamber in there while it warms up. I also changed the boost to maximum after heating up (115% - overpowered voltage).

After heating up, I set it at 7 and enjoyed medium density flavorful moderately large clouds through the DHGate stereo matrix glass. Surprised at how well it started off (herb was very dry), I then turned it down to 5 and drew on the DHMobius and got a little less dense but very flavorful tasting vapor.

Then I tried it with a whip on the FC-UFO that I had brought out of the cupboard to try - since I hadn't used it for a while and was wondering how the Apollo would be with a whip setup :whip: I kept it at the same temperature and pulled on it a few times.

It was strange after not having used the whip after I stopped bringing out the Extreme. It was a little hard to judge how much vapor I was getting because I had become so used to watching a few separate chambers of glass filling up and judging a volume of vapor by that measure.

The chamber didn't seem to cloud up as much but whenever I exhaled after taking a draw from the whip there was very visible vapor and I think the vapor looked less dense as a result of the thicker diameter tubing of the FC-UFO as well as the fact that it had cooled off a bit to the true equilibrium temperature of level 5 - 50% power level.

I then switched the Apollo back to the DHMobius and tried it at the same temp and the clouds instantly densified as a result of the smaller diameter tubing in this piece.

I then thought to hit the boost button wondering what the 115% boost would be like. After boosting for about 5 seconds I started to draw and WOW.....the glass was milking very nicely and the taste was even changing throughout the length of the inhalation as the terpenes got stripped away. I then shut it down after clearing another chamberful and thought about the difference with the new boost.

The 115% boost power level is noticeably more reactive than the 100% in swinging the vapor production around quickly.....although waiting the additional 5 seconds was also giving the unit time to quickly build higher temperatures in the chamber area as the bulb radiated additional heat under boost.

This 5 second number seems to be the magic number for the very few on-demand vapes on the market right now.

I am thinking that with a hotter higher wattage bulb being installed that the heat up time could easily drop to 20-30 seconds (who knows until it's tried - this is just a guess)...... and then after the unit has been heat soaked that you could probably just turn it down to 1 or 2 to keep everything heat soaked and conserve battery life.

This would allow you to run a longer continuous session with less power in the idle state and then when you want to bring on the clouds, a quick 3-7 second boost with a higher wattage bulb could put you back into the clouds very quickly.

I think that when the unit is already warmed up then running the halogen bulb for a very short time at one of the boost levels available to such a powerful bulb could easily bring you back to pretty well any vaping temperature that you'd like to be at in a matter of seconds.

I think this would be sort of a "sessioning-on-demand" experience if that makes any sense?

I would highly recommend that Apollo owners experiment with the maximum boost setting in conjunction with a lower than regular vaping temperature - but then using the boost as the "instant-on" temperature regulator and "feather" it on and off intermittently to maintain whatever vapor temperature you want to vape at.

I think that this would lengthen the available standby time of the herb, conserve battery over longer sessions, keep the vaporizer at a lower operating temperature and also have the unit a little cooler in the hands while at the same time giving you the ability to return to producing the kind of vapour that would normally require keeping the vaporizer at a much higher standby/vaping temperature.

I also think that it is this kind of use where a small temperature thermocouple sensor maybe perhaps transmitting a Bluetooth signal to a smart phone display (I can dream :D) might provide some benefit in assisting with the maintenance of the vaping temperature through a dynamic feedback loop that is continually being adjusted manually by the user as they draw by way of "feathering" a boost button.

I hope that this transmission from "Tranquility Base" has been helpful :cheers:
...... and now back to my Mission :D


Last Edit: Yup, anyone with an Apollo is going to want to drop some kind of oil (I've used mineral) onto those battery cap screw threads.....it's like night and day.
 
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virtualpurple

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RIP Short mouthpiece. I'm not sure if the initial crack was caused by tipping over or by clumsily being attached to glass. However, I was already firm set on ordering extra batteries and an herb chamber for the Apollo anyways, so I tacked on a few spare tubes. Be careful with your glass kids!

I'd love to see a wooden tube made for this, may have to chat with my man @Ed's TnT in the near future!
 

vapognak

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:D Yup......I've done it myself too by accident.

The exposed herb chamber and shallow battery door knob are the only real two areas that will hopefully be addressed in any future versions or with "retrofittable" spare parts.

Although I am very glad that neither of these issues are ones that effect the amazing performance of this wonderful vaporizer.

Just a little extra care is required when changing batteries and watching out for a hot herb chamber

Although I hope an OEM solution is found...I will figure out something for the exposed chamber myself if necessary and I am going to try some fine graphite dry lubricant on the battery door knob and see if that helps.

I agree very much with you, especially about the exposed herb chamber, and for your advises about temp control also (high boost / low setting when maintaining warm).

I spend only two evenings with Apollo, but already 100% convinced of the efficiency and took a lot of pleasure from this vape.

Would try longer review later on.
 

GTAVaper

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RIP Short mouthpiece. I'm not sure if the initial crack was caused by tipping over or by clumsily being attached to glass. However, I was already firm set on ordering extra batteries and an herb chamber for the Apollo anyways, so I tacked on a few spare tubes. Be careful with your glass kids!

I'd love to see a wooden tube made for this, may have to chat with my man @Ed's TnT in the near future!

A wooden tube with an 18mm male ending would be perfect for outdoor usage or for having the option of only bringing one tube with you to a friends place for use with their water piece.

.....or perhaps instead of the wood having the 18mm male end - the inner diameter of a wooden tube might be such that a piece of 18mm glass tubing could sleeve into it's inner diameter without requiring extra gaskets.......except for maybe at the very end to help keep the air seal against the nested 18mm extending glass mouthpiece?

Then you could have an easily replaceable inner glass mouthpiece with an 18mm male end that extends and retracts into the wood (or could be removed completely for transport), increases the airflow restriction a little (a good thing for this vape) and that is also somewhat protected by the wood surrounding it and which can also mate to a ground glass water piece joint.
 
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Milkytime

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Got my Apollo Friday and wow......too gone to even comment last night.
this thing put me in my place just using the stock settings its amazing.
I have done a bit too much testing and i will try and get a a better review only done 5 chambers since last night and today and I'm tapping out for the moment.

-flavor great
-battery life awesome
-extraction is through no stirring
-dry a bit warm but much cooler than firewood 3.0
-really cool though water tool very open airflow can keep up with draw

-battery door is a bit hard to deal with
 

StormyPinkness

Rhymenocerous ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
Is anybody else not grinding? I've been chunking it up in the chamber and running at power level 7 with ~5 second boosts towards the end when I'm drawing and my abv comes out very light brown and green. Maybe I'm just not vaping long enough, but I get medium-low clouds and then stop when it tapers off. Everybody else seems very happy with their extraction so I'm kind of surprised.

I have to say the vapor coming through the long tube is hypnotic, everyone should grab one. I agree with @virtualpurple that you've definitely built something to be proud of @villekille2 . Also thanks for getting me my color choice, it's fitting right in.

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Techn!d0n

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You have the analog (Daisy/Lilly) with the digital apollo.... I have to say they sure do look sexy. But from what I have seen lurking on here that the digital is slow to get going, not a power puncher like the Daisy. But still, sexy.... Darn VAS! Must resist....
 

Milkytime

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Yeah the apollo is a train light vapor at first then it ramps up. I must agree with @StormyPinkness the vapor comes out a bit light looking but its potent vapor im not used to this corrilation because it gets me super wrecked. I tried rip n stuff unground it dose work powered right through it, i think i like a coarse grind best though and my abv comes out very throughly done.
 

Milkytime

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The replaceable 18650's is a really nice feature. Im getting 5-6 bowls per batteries and just being able to swap on the fly is just amazing. Mine died mid bowl at a freinds house and everyone got sad, i just whipped out my batteries and back in action. I picked up 4 extra 6 total means this thing just keeps going for longer than you will be able to keep up with it.
Battery door is a bit hard to work with/grip i think it will need oil.
I do wish there was a way to judge how much battery you do have left so it dosent die mid session.

I may work on some ways for resricting airflow tonight.
 

Mixio

TheVaporOne
'm tired of sitting behind a RBT (I bought all three of its vaporizers) and Hopper Labs (I buy both SS TI) ... I just bought the apollo ... is not VAS... I need portable convection !!! (Such as portable'm working with a PAX2 and airvape)...Mixio on board :peace::rockon:
 

StormyPinkness

Rhymenocerous ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
Much better results last night. Went up to 7 with boosts towards the end and it was super fully extracted. I think 7 was a little high so now I'll just dial it down until I find where I want it. It was getting kind of hot at the end, but I think I was just overusing boost. I'm not sure how I wasn't fully extracting before.

I saw this earlier in the thread but I found it helpful so I thought I'd post it again. If you don't boost after however many minutes it can automatically shut off. Turning it back on starts the warm up process again and pressing/holding boost will cancel that and just go back into vaping mode. I started getting spacey and had to do that twice.
 

AtomicPB

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Aww, I am so curious but still waiting for mine. @villekille2 said mine takes a bit longer, because of the dark oak stain. Reading all the reports does not make the wait easier. :D

Most owners seem to have optimized the Apollo in some way, how happy are you with the device out of the box?

At the moment I am using my MFLB and kinda recognized that I became a real lighweight regarding tolerance. One toke from the MFLB makes me happy for quite some time and now I am a bit worried that the Apollo might be to efficient/hard hitting for me. I normally like not to be to stoned, because I get paranoid. I probably just have to adjust the amount of herb to keep my stone in the desired boundaries.
 

Alan Partridge

Smell my cheese
Ok I've found that the best settings for me are-

Set heat up to 3 mins
Max boost
Maintenance level 5
Cover the bottom intake with my finger

Massive clouds with the Enano gong and a bubbler!

However, I'm pretty sure this is not a pure convection vape. Since I upped the pre-heat time I get MUCH bigger clouds but the taste is degraded. Still much better taste than the Mighty though. When I turn the Apollo upside down I see vapour escaping before taking a draw. The vapour shoots out into glass like the Mighty, rather than the slower build up you get with the Evo and MV. And lastly biggest clouds come with letting the herbs heat in the chamber during heat up, rather than adding the chamber after heating. I wonder what the ratio is between convection/conduction?

Hits like a train though this vape! Battery door I found a pain the first time but much better after that? Closing it can be bothersome.

My only complaint is the chamber. The lid comes off too easy. When you get some resin build-up, the glass will stick to the lid. Which has caused me a few messy moments. The herb also tends to stick to the lid, clogging the airflow. Stirring mid-session would seem necessary but is impossible with the heat from the chamber! I attempted it and only ended up with the chamber and lid stuck in awkward positions. So I often use the tube to hit the chamber lid. Not so much when sticky.

At first I was kinda meh about this vape

After finally getting the hang of it and getting the gong I really like it

There's still more to learn and there'll be some mods I'm sure so it'll only get better
 

vapognak

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Maybe you already know but I tell you anyway, there is a thin coating inside a cola aluminium can that is not supposed to be heated at vapeing temps, or inhalated.
I know you're right, I'm still looking for the right material (I've thought of a Japanese tea spoon which could have the good shape or cork or bamboo...)
 
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Milkytime

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I have been using mine with stock settings normal heat up and i prefer power level 6. I hit it without boost for a bit before i start adding boost. I filled my bowl full to the top it was great on power 6 but when i went to power 7 near the end of bowl and boosted too long i combusted the center of the load so be careful it can happen with too much material in the chamber.
I too believe this one has a bit of radiant heat not 100% convection as you can see the vapor forming. However the amount you loose is much less than the pax. And the using the boost option dose help the load not fully just cook away. The hits are all so very flavorful all the way to pretty much the end then the flavor takes a dive and you know to shut it down or you will be in combustion territory. (So there is mostly convection going on here)
I think my underdog is more efficient than the apollo but the apollo dose come close i think, hard to tell because the bowl is bigger. (I would need to start measuring my sessions)
It might be a little bit less effeciant than the FW 3 with small loads, but taste and ease of use win by a long shot.
I really am enjoying the apollo, thats why im worried slightly when i look through the bottom air hole i think i see 2 wires that go to the halogen bulb. Dose that mean the air path goes over electronics? @villekille2 can you explain the air path for us? Is it isolated? Has this been discussed already? I am really enjoying this one so far, i want it to be a winner so bad. Ville said he set out to make a safe vape with safe materials so im sure this was thought about already, so im probably just being paranoid.
Can any other users confirm what they see looking through the bottom air intake?

@vapognak bamboo sounds like a great idea, i bet you could find one right about the same shape curve easily.
 

villekille2

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Manufacturer
I really am enjoying the apollo, thats why im worried slightly when i look through the bottom air hole i think i see 2 wires that go to the halogen bulb. Dose that mean the air path goes over electronics? @villekille2 can you explain the air path for us? Is it isolated? Has this been discussed already? I am really enjoying this one so far, i want it to be a winner so bad. Ville said he set out to make a safe vape with safe materials so im sure this was thought about already, so im probably just being paranoid.
Can any other users confirm what they see looking through the bottom air intake?

@vapognak bamboo sounds like a great idea, i bet you could find one right about the same shape curve easily.

Don't worry about this. I would not call it electronics, there are metallic connectors at the back of the heating element construction. The wires are attached with a mechanical connection, no solder there. The high temperature silicone insulation of the wires starts far from the hot parts and the back panel of Apollo touches the wires so that the temperature of the insulation will always stay very far from the recommended operating range of 200 degrees Celsius. Even in extreme over heating situations when I've been testing things, like a 10 minute warm up, there was nothing to indicate any problems with the material, all looked normal. The actual electronics are placed to the center of the vaporizer, hidden under the lighter colored panel with the touch sensing area. So the small portion of wires is mostly in contact with the back panel to keep things cool and then the wires go inside the sealed central area where the electronics are.
 

GTAVaper

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Just curious......what is on the extreme left? Is that some kind of storage for FW3 MP's?
 
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Milkytime

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Yes it's the mouthpiece caddie that used to be a secret item in store if you bought 2x mouthpiece/cap combo. It became so popular he added it to the store and raised the price, i was one of the last to receive it for the price of just 2x mouthpiece. However i guess i forgot to specify walnut and i got sent a random color so mine dont match. Ohh well.

Back to topic, it would be nice to have a herb chamber holder for apollo as well, or maybe somthing to get that hot as fuck herb chamber out without branding yourself. Also once their is some reclaim on the tube it seals against the top of the herb chamber which is cool, but be careful because it can lift the top screen off with it and make a mess if you are not paying attention.
 
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