Divine Tribe atty's

AVENTUS said:

Does any firm make a small cylindrical battery the same diameter as this divine tribe(or divine tribe inspired) plate atomizer, with both variable temperature and temperature control ?

I'd love to have the ability to have something just slightly thicker than my Linx Hypnos Zero, not terribly longer, but with a larger chamber, and more precise temperature controls from 315-430

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No, not that I've been able to find. The 'rub' is the temperature control part, it's just not a popular feature at this low a power level I think. Nothing really suitable for the DC I think past the ones mentioned here (and on the DC site), iStick, Invader and VTC.

If you're willing to abandon the TC part and settle for VV/VW this guy will 'just barely' power a DC, it's what I typically use on normal 'e-cig pen vape' carts if it's not going in my pocket:
https://www.misthub.com/product/smok-aro-winder-2000mah-vvvw-battery/

I'm not sure about that vendor, but the 2000mAh Winder is the call. The knob at the bottom adjusts power, otherwise it's a normal 'e-cig pen'.

OF

Ok! Ok! I get it! I will try a DT ceramic atty, or two.

What do y'all suggest? Shallow or deep bowl? 2.5 or 2.7?

One of each?

Anything else? I am running a white, Kangertech TopBox Mini 75w.

Hi guys! I recently got one of these atty's from a China vendor on dhgate. It is several times better than an exposed coil/wick atty, especially for my purposes (vaping traditional, solid hash). However, I know this is probably not a recommended application for this atty, because the gunk from solid hash is so much worse than from BHO/rosin/oil. However, the atty seems to be keeping up - I do a little bit of dry burning and use a wooden toothpick to clean up the donut area after each use.

My only problem is that I don't have a mod box for this atty. I have a normal 510 e-cig battery and an Evod Twist VV battery. Neither of them get the donut glowing hot unless I use continuous presses that are under the battery's 10 sec shutoff. This is okay though, coz it seems like my hash still vaporizes even at the lower temps.

My questions are:
a) Is it recommended to use a box mod for these instead of normal ego batteries? I'm anyway thinking of picking up a 60W unit...

b) Can I clean the atty with iso alcohol? Or is this bad for the atty/taste?

c) Can anyone report on the difference on flavor and hits between these attys and other "wickless/coil-less" attys (like Yocan's Nero Technology attys - the W2-4, Exgo II-III)

d) What is the actual difference between DT's attys and the ones available on Fastech and dhgate? (Sorry didn't feel like poring over the whole 42 page thread for this answer)

Any updates on the development of this device, Matt?

divinetribe said:

here is a idea i have for a 510 thread nectar wand(is what i might call it), this is the proto i have now , the metal gets too hot and the end of the rod does not get red hot only the middle does. i use it with a quartz banger and throw some concentrate in it and touch the wand to the wax. it works ok as far as getting hits not that huge though.. i saw someone using these instead of lighters for burning herb ,, i think it might be a good thing to have in the collection to your 510 adapters..

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@vezj420 you don't want to use stone age eGo or VV/VW technology on these lovelies! You need a temperature controlled mod that can run well at low wattage and with power to spare, preferably one that can set both a temp and a wattage ceiling, like the Joyetech evic mini. Those even have firmware updates and programmable temp coefficient curves. That will let you find a sweet spot at which you can just press the button and vape, not worry about burning the oil, not worry about blowing the coil. This, dahlink, is called technology, progress ! Wheee!

I just got my first 2.7 white ceramic. What a beautiful object all around, Matt ! That mouthpiece is brilliant.

My mods are KangXin VF mini 50-D 50 Watts. They apparently use a chip that's very similar to what's used on the Invader Mini. There is only one default (nickel type) curve built in. They get down to twenny six bux delivered, especially the pink one ;-) and they're well-made. You just use different offsets for different materials. When I vape nicotine type VG liquids with Titanium coils, a 320 Deg F Temp setting averages around 420 deg F at the coil.

Matt's 2.7 donut atty measures around 0.7 ohms cold and requires a very different offset from Titanium on this chip.

Setting the TC to 200 deg F and the Wattage ceiling to 10 watts I see hunting between 380 and 450 deg F, spending most time around 425, which is not a bad starting point, since most of the cannabinoids, terpenes etc boil off below 450. Many more settings to try.

That's measured with a thermocouple and a 6802 II meter, with the bead either caught under the donut, like @OF was doing, or held against it.

If I set the Emissivity to 0.50 on my IRT12A InfraRed gun and read the white atty by placing it at the throat of the IR gun, I get values that are close to the thermocouple's.

Haven't popped its cherry with oil yet. As the donut darkens the Emissivity will probably change, but the gun is still a handy way to get a quick reading. When I tried setting the target Temp at 320 I was getting peaks over 700 deg F, and it was the IR gun that alerted me!

Has anyone tried putting a little pan on that donut to boil the oil and not have any stuff dribbling below ? You know, like maybe a little glass disk, or ?

These little glass disks are around a mm thick, they list on e-bay as "honeycomb screen". I've used them with other heaters. Small amounts of oil stick to the glass long enough to be fully vaporized.

Am I overly paranoid to even consider something like this? Is it that with the donuts the oil melting down to the deck is not a problem at all?

Does the unimizer v2.5 use glue? Reading through the thread I think the v3 is the glueless one?

StormyPinkness said:

Does the unimizer v2.5 use glue? Reading through the thread I think the v3 is the glueless one?

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Yeah I've done a tear down and it unfortunately seems to use glue to hold the base into the lower housing. Definitely seems unnecessary and I eagerly await the v3.

elmoe420 said:

Yeah I've done a tear down and it unfortunately seems to use glue to hold the base into the lower housing. Definitely seems unnecessary and I eagerly await the v3.

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Thank you sir. I'll keep an eye on the thread.

Does the area where the glue sits get very hot in normal use?

Can you tell (or guess) what kind of glue it is?

Just ordered 2x 2.7 donut with fat mouth piece.

Will give a review when it's here, gotta make its way all they way to the sunny UK so I'm not going to hold my breath.

Plan is to take it with me to Amsterdam so I can have a cheeky bit of hash whilst on the go.

ooooh how have I missed these?..

OK I'm about to order the 2.7 version... is that the newest best one? I like good airflow but I thought I read a few page back maybe the 2.5 is better? Which is it?

I will also probably order a black one from fast tech... Will the 2.7 top fit on the fast tech atomizer?

@Detonator you can't really go wrong with either of them because the heating element is the same either way.

FIRST THINGS FIRST you probably know this but these devices can be easily blown by too much power. On my eLeaf TC40w the safe zone is under 220C and 11w, but you should really not be firing the thing in wattage mode at all. BE CAREFUL and get backups because this is the best portable high I've ever had or heard of, and you'll be sad if you break the thing.

Quick rundown of the different tips: 2.5 tip is just a regular drip tip, straight shot from the heater to your mouth with curved sides that can be much more easily wiped off while warm. 2.7 is a wide mouth with more airflow and a square walled cylindrical splash guard inside that can be wiped but is much more difficult to clean/reclaim than the 2.5.

For me the wide mouth cuts down on a silly sounding but legitimate problem: While vaping the 2.5 I find that I sometimes overshoot my lips when lifting the device or while breathing in and clack the tip against my teeth, which I really hate for some neurotic reason. Oddly specific and I'm probably the only one that does it, but there it is. The 2.7 wide mouth keeps my clumsiness to a minimum though and I never clack it against my teeth, plus the shape is somehow better and more comfortable for holding it still while you breathe in.

Good luck and happy vaping

I currently have an istick 50w (not TC). What would be the best TC mod to use with the DT atty? Is the fast tech model the same as the 2.5? I may just order one of those until version 3 comes out. Thanks for any help. I know it's been answered, but seems like opinions change often.

I've got a sweet little 75w box mod headed my way on a slow boat from china. Definitely gonna get a DT atty for it in the near future. I'm leaning towards the 2.5 as I like that glass mouthpiece so I can see the vapor forming & don't accidentally blow my head off Best I can tell the only difference in the 2.7 is the splash guard style mouthpiece, correct?

I'm also curious if anyone has used one of those porous black ceramic "wick" type things with this to keep from gooping up the ceramic donut, a la KISS cartridges?

There's a lot of cool looking stuff here, wish I'd discovered this guy earlier!

tharealmclovin said:

I currently have an istick 50w (not TC). What would be the best TC mod to use with the DT atty? Is the fast tech model the same as the 2.5? I may just order one of those until version 3 comes out. Thanks for any help. I know it's been answered, but seems like opinions change often.

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Best bang for your buck right now is the eVic VTC Mini in my opinion. You can find one for well under $50. It has upgradable firmware that has been getting regular updates with meaningful new features. It supports temp control with full user adjustable settings. Very small and discrete but still uses a removable 18650 battery.

tharealmclovin said:

I currently have an istick 50w (not TC). What would be the best TC mod to use with the DT atty? Is the fast tech model the same as the 2.5? I may just order one of those until version 3 comes out. Thanks for any help. I know it's been answered, but seems like opinions change often.

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I have the Reuleaux RX200 that Matt sells on the site. It's 200W and runs on 3 x 18650 batteries. It's got power for days and I can run my RDA coil tests on it. I also like that it's big and fits my hand almost perfect. I found it for $45 at my local shop. I eventually might get a DNA200 controlled device or build around a chip.

I've got the VapourShark DNA200 it's epic. Does anyone know the TCR for these little ceramic donuts?

Just picked up some Divine Tribe 2.7 atty's from Matt. He was super helpful & responsive with my noob questions. Paypal on Wednesday, had the 2.7's by Monday.

So, I'm a complete vape noob, concentrate noob, don't use ecigs at all. Perhaps my mistake was buying a batter before I knew anything. I have the Smok micro one or r80 unit. Its ostensibly a temp control unit & in variable watt mode goes from 1-80 & can fire sub ohm tanks. It does not however have options to set volts. The data sheet suggests it is between 2-9 volts.

Read a bunch & gather I should be in TC mode & not above 12 watts. Smok battery has different settings for coil types. When I initially selected titanium, I was not able to get much if any vaporization at all below 400 and in watts mode was able to run it up to 18-20 without flashing the donut red/hot.

I switched to nickel, single coil & the temp settings & wattage settings needed to be lowered, but still a bit hotter than most folks suggest/recommend. I found good vaporization at about 340 degrees.

Saw some other posts in this marathon thread about resistance & voltage readings. Seems like the "optimal" spot is when the resistance, while being fired, fluctuates around 1-1.1 ohms. I messed around with the temp until I got the resistance to read around 1 ohm. That's how I settled in on 340.

Lastly, the Smok mod has settings that are "soft, min, normal, hard & max" as best I can tell (and there's not a lot of info online) those settings will determine how quickly the coil ramps up to that temp while in TC mode. I gather "min" uses the lowest volts/watts to reach temp - with this setting I did not think the ceramic got hot enough to vape - or rather the slow ramp time ended up melting the wax and dripping out the bottom. The max setting will crank out 30+ watts to get the coil to temp so I have not tested with that.

When set to "normal" the temp ramp up/power curve is supposedly static. When using normal + nickle single coil setting + temp control at about 340 I get good vapes and the display shows the following:
Volts around 3.7
Watts will jump around to manage temp control with an initial spike/peak about 17 watts and then maintaining around 9-11 for temp control.
Temp control - It goes in to protection about ever 1-1.5 seconds.

With this set up, even at the lowest temp 200 degrees, I see the sides of the ceramic donut sort of "flash red". So in temp control it "seems" like all I am doing is letting the battery sort of "fire" or pulse power to the ceramic donut attempting to keep it at a constant temperature.

In contrast, when in variable watts mode if I keep it around 14 watts I can hold the button for the full 12 seconds & never see the donut get red hot or flash. In watts mode I found good vaping at 14 watts but pulsing every 7-8 seconds to maintain a more constant power flow - i.e. keep the donut hot. If I only draw for the 12 second limit it's just not hot enough & not a good vape.

Anyone else have one of these Smok batteries & a DT atty got suggestions?

Despite not finding the optimal settings (yet) I still feel it is the best tasting atty I have tried. I just need to get that sweet spot where I am conserving concentrates. I think I'm melting & not vaporizing enough. FWIW, I'm not getting any reclaim or spatter on the tip.

Thanks everyone, sorry for the long post - hope it helps someone.

What do most like the shallow or deep bowl? The shallow seems better since your only loading enough for a hit..... yeah?

Detonator said:

What do most like the shallow or deep bowl? The shallow seems better since your only loading enough for a hit..... yeah?

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Really depends on the person, but I've always seemed to have better luck with the taller chambers.. Shorter ones I've had a seldom clog here or there.. With normal operating parameters laid out by Matt and others in this thread, I've never need to unclog / clear out the air pathways. I'm also still using my first 2.5 dt I've had since early December.

Has anyone tried the Joytech Cuboid. At 150w I would be able to handle everything and the battery would last a month


http://www.joyetech.com/product/cuboid/

@Detonator If you're going to order from Fastech, may as well order those on e-bay and get them faster.

@tharealmclovin My friend with his Cuboid has vaporized countless carts and devices in the mistaken belief that these sorts of macho wattage ratings are there for a reason. A possible plus is the use of two batteries, hence longer run time, but even that is V8 specs for a 4 cylinder job. IMHO unless you're sucking on concentrates 24x7 with no time to recharge, a 50 watt TC device with a single 18650 seems ample.

@fernand I ordered the 2.7 from DT to start with,,,

But I may also get some from fastech... I cant find them on ebay accept for the Kiln..

I have an idea of using a 20mm drip tip as a mouth piece and never taking it off to unload ... any one try anything like that?

Here are some great FC User Specials. Feel free to pass them around to your friends, as they are not available on the Web Site.

Dry Herb DC Atomizer w/510 Threads $24


DT 2.7 Atomizer w2/eLeaf 40W Battery $50


Divine Tribe Version 2.7 Ceramic Donut Atomizer $15


DC Dry Herb Atomizer with Reuleaux RX200 Mod - Qty 3 Imren 40A 3200mah Batteries $99


If you art looking for a battery that will run anything you have, the Reuleaux RX200 is the battery to have.