New Future Vaper. Need your wonderful advice!

What's up fellow FC members!
Well.... since this is my 1st post, I guess a little introduction would be nice. People can call me flush (for now ), and I work in the medical industry in the bay area, CA. I am an OG lover (even though cookies was born out here) when it comes to flowers and well-produced rosin / LR always catches my attention.

Now, to the point where I need your guy's advice. I probably medicate around 4-6grams personally on a daily-basis. Note: This is my personal consumption at home, I may and most likely will smoke more when I'm at work or with friends. Now, as some may assume if you do not grow that this is an expensive medication bill... well, it is. Anyways, looking to cut the consumption by converting to a at-home vaping setup.
I was at first caught onto the DBV, but then people mentioned the log vapes are great for solo use. So, I got interested in the E-nano / UD as I still am.
Now my questions are:

1) As much as I smoke per day (only joints / little bit of bongs - say 4-5 grams in joints and 1 gram in bong), will vaping still satisfy me as the THC absorption is higher than smoking? Looking to use the log connected to a water-piece or even dry-hit as well. I also smoke cigs ) I also understand the high's are difference as one is a cleaner high (vaping) and the other is a "dirty" high due to all the chemicals and such. But I'm assuming I will get those "dirty" chemicals from my cigarette mixed with the higher THC level from vaping, will it be the same but less consumption?

2) Are the log vapes worthy for a person in my situation? Or is something with a whip such as the DBV better. I would buy a volcano as my friend just did, but upon reading, the air system diminishes the amount of vape, etc etc. Also, I don't have $550.

3) If I smoke that much already, do you think I will need to vape 6 grams a day still or will it lower. This is probably based off a personal level.

Well, these are some starter question I have. If I went with log, I am leaning more towards e-nano since it comes with the analog. but the UD is still in option as the stems are there but I am not sure how comfortable I feel about installing a vvps system myself. All and any suggestions are welcomed . thank you guys and I hope my first post didn't make you throw up already .

BTW: Budget is ~200 and less for my first vape.
-Flush

Hello and welcome, you sure do smoke alot, god knows how you manage your tolerance...

Switching to vaping will confuse your tolerance and allow you to reset a bit...

Smoke has 85% that is NOT actives...
Vapour is more like 90% actives...

Savour the vapour, you get less of it, but it's nicer and much stronger than smoke...

Your consumption will drop lots, partly due to the stronger effects, and partly because it takes time to vape, I'm not sure if I could get through 6 grams in a day, not enough time...
And I'd be asleep after 3 hors of trying...

As for your log, I think for your first vape maybe something like the arizer eq may please you, it can do nearly everything, can be adapted to mimic other vapes, has a digital, 1 degree increment, temp display, fan, remote, and is easily modable and works well through water....

They are well under your budget and is a tried and tested vape for years...

With the addition of a ddave kit the eq really becomes a very very good vape...

For vaping to really work at its best you need to give up the cigs...

You will absorb more thc and other actives when the cilia in your lungs arn't paralysed from the tar...

Luckily thc is an irritant and an expellorent, this will help to clear some crap from your lungs during the transition ...

Hope this helps...

A vaporizer will help to lower your mega consumption my only concern with a log is that its too efficient / small a bowl for you. You may be better with a bigger chamber like a dbv/ssv

You may find yourself needing to pack a few bowls at first but using a log through a water pipe sounds like a good set up for you. There's still some holiday vapes from underdog vapes up on their website I believe. A lot of log users have said that a log is the only vape that can get them high off of flowers alone. And where my tolerance level is right now I'd agree that my log vape is the only vape I can imagine getting high off of flowers alone. On my portable right now I've been mixing wax in with my flowers when I want to get actually high rather than just pleasantly medicated. With the underdog I'm able to tailor my dose to a small dose if I'm just wanting some light medication or I can get a good amount going and go fly. I think that's what I'll go do now as I've been tense today and I should fix that before pain starts to flare up.

Edit: as an update. I'm now quite high off of my underdog without using any concentrates even though I've been pushing my tolerance up recently. Any vape is gonna get you medicated but some can just knock you on your ass.

I'd say go with the e-nano (or the underdog with variable voltage). If you're smoking that much, it could be tough to adjust to vaping. It is a much cleaner high, as you mentioned, but different in other ways. You're probably very used to the effects of smoke that are in large part caused by the toxins released while smoking. Part of what they do (as do the cigs, but differently) is limit oxygen to the brain. This has a definite affect on the buzz.

So why a log? You can crank the heat up to near combustion and get a lot of the actives that many vapers (and probably you after settling into vaping) don't usually mess with until bedtime. Many vapes will allow you to adjust heat (such as DBV and EQ mentioned above), but IME logs allow you to tweak easily and once you get the hang of it (dozen sessions or so), get close to combustion without lighting a cherry. The others can be a bit trickier.

I think your biggest challenge may be the amount of material you'll be vaping. Loading and unloading isn't quite as easy as a bowl or rolling a joint. Well it is as easy (or easier), but you'll probably have to do it more often. This is where the logs may fall short for you. They have smaller loads and require more loading and unloading. But, you are very right about consumption, especially with a log. I'd bet you use half as much right out of the gate, and once you get more used to vaping and not trying to catch the heavy feeling created by the toxins, even less. With a log and your personal sensors adjusted to vaping, you'll probably be down to using 1/3 - if not 1/4 - as much a day to get to the same place within a month.

I (and MANY others) find the flavor from logs to be much nicer than from hosed rigs (DBV & EQ) too, and this can be a great benefit if you're making the transition from smoking to vaping. It doesn't "replace" the dopey, almost dizzy feeling you can get from smoking, but it is so good and fun - and allows differences in strains to come through so much that it can make the transition easier. In other words... you'll be losing something you're used to, but finding something that is pretty incredible and IMO puts you more in touch with your meds. And, not just with flavor but also with effects from different strains.

Biggest difference between nano and other log vapes is power supply. nano is AC and other logs are DC. nano has temp/power adjustment dial right on the cord. With a UD you'd do best to get a variable voltage power supply to do the same thing. This is the primary reason I suggest new vapers get a nano instead. Everything you need is in one box. While it may take a little practice to dial the temp in to what you like for whatever strain you're using, it isn't hard to master. And, can easily do concentrates bu cranking up the heat and incorporating a few simple tweaks and cheap accessories.

One other thing.... if you have a glass piece with GonG, any of these vapes can be connected pretty easily and allow you to do monster rips of high temp produced thick vapor. Logs are a little easier to handle on top of the glass (as long as you have the space clearance needed), than hoses that can twist or flex and sometimes knock your glass over if not paying attention or are stoned.

VapourHaze said:

A vaporizer will help to lower your mega consumption my only concern with a log is that its too efficient / small a bowl for you. You may be better with a bigger chamber like a dbv/ssv

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I agree with this with your consumption I think you'd switch over well with a plenty vaporizer, then eventually you could cut down to a smaller vape like the enano

TboneToker said:

I agree with this with your consumption I think you'd switch over well with a plenty vaporizer, then eventually you could cut down to a smaller vape like the enano

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Think I get what you're saying, and agree you have to load less. But, doesn't your load still lose flavor after 2-3 hits? Yes... you can still produce vapor, and even get a little more flavor after 1st stir. But after that it's usually pretty flat until it goes popcorn.

See above for some more detail, but I've found while converting combusting friends that flavor and easy to predict effects per load are one of the major things that help them make the transition. That's lost pretty quickly with larger loads - unless you're loading bags where the flavor is consistent through the bag, but probably not as good as a few tasty rips and a re-load.

Takes about 10 - 15 seconds to stir, dump, blow out and reload a nano/UD stem and becomes second nature after a week or two of daily use. Have never used the Plenty myself, but have to think messing with what is involved to load/unload is going to take a little more time. So 3 - 4 times as long for 3 - 4 times the load? Probably about that.

And, yes.... I also get that the plenty is a heavy hitter. But, you can combust with a nano if at high heat, so you can draw big thick clouds just below that. There isn't some secret off-ramp where vapor is thicker than on the path from lightly vaped to combustion. You just go as far up the temp scale as you like, and find the thicker vapor the closer you get to stating to combust.

flotntoke said:

Think I get what you're saying, and agree you have to load less. But, doesn't your load still lose flavor after 2-3 hits? Yes... you can still produce vapor, and even get a little more flavor after 1st stir. But after that it's usually pretty flat until it goes popcorn.

See above for some more detail, but I've found while converting combusting friends that flavor and easy to predict effects per load are one of the major things that help them make the transition. That's lost pretty quickly with larger loads - unless you're loading bags where the flavor is consistent through the bag, but probably not as good as a few tasty rips and a re-load.

Takes about 10 - 15 seconds to stir, dump, blow out and reload a nano/UD stem and becomes second nature after a week or two of daily use. Have never used the Plenty myself, but have to think messing with what is involved to load/unload is going to take a little more time. So 3 - 4 times as long for 3 - 4 times the load? Probably about that.

And, yes.... I also get that the plenty is a heavy hitter. But, you can combust with a nano if at high heat, so you can draw big thick clouds just below that. There isn't some secret off-ramp where vapor is thicker than on the path from lightly vaped to combustion. You just go as far up the temp scale as you like, and find the thicker vapor the closer you get to stating to combust.

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If you want a vape that tastes good from the first to last hit get an aromed and 8 recommend ordering a recreational herb holder with it as well, it's smaller and in my experience works better

Thank you everyone! I'm sorry for the late reply, work and college has me on my ass. Anyways, I am for sure still looking into a vaping device as now that I've been calculating my actual consumption over the past few days, I'll say a strong 5 grams per day. A few friends have been saying the volcano has been doing great (he paid ~$550 at a local shop) but the lowest I could find was around $400-$450 for the digital online.

As for the logs, I was looking into the nano and buying one of their GonG's to attach to a DHGate piece. Would get the UD as I stated, but I'm not familiar with setting up a vvps device. As people mentioned, I can also get the arizer EQ, DBV, or something along those lines. I can say that I'm the type of person who would rather get TOO Medicated then UNDER medicated, if that makes sense. I'm the type who will neck a joint and if I don't feel "medicated" enough, I'll neck another one. But I must say, bong bowls def. get me higher than joints but it's more of a pain to pack snaps after every hit.

So as of right now, the E-nano might be the best? I heard the E-nano now has a screen adjuster where it lets me fix the size of the bowl? Not too sure, all just reading.

I would love to cut my 5 gram consumption to say... 3 grams or less a day? Shieeeet, I'll be happy with 4 grams. When I get the vape, I would only smoke joints (if any) on long car trips. Other then that, mostly 80% vape, 10% dabbing with quartz / torch, 10% bong bowls.

THANK YOU GUYS!

Id suggest log... Although I don't have one.

My first vape was the arizer air. I just keep it plugged in and hooked into my bong and it sounds like thats what you want to do.

I bought the arizer EQ... Don't like the whip. Although I still am waiting on the Ddave kit that everyone says will make it better.

My next purchase is going to be an Underdog log.. I just want to stay plugged in and hooked in the bong. Think that's the easiest setup.

Alright. Most people on here are suggesting the logs (such as UD, E-nano, HI if they still make it and I can wait a year ) . But my question is, is the THAT big of a step up? Is it worth the extra $200? Or will the log get me plenty medicated. I know everyone reacts different (or some claim you just might not be doing it correctly), but I don't want to be disappointed when I get a log. I know I most likely wont be since I noticed how much vape one can get when connected with a GonG on a water-pipe. But yeah, thanks guys. Looking to purchase soon.

I'm not sure why you think you need a WPS system for the Underdog. I have an e-nano and underdog and tend to use the underdog the most. I don't use a WPS. I prefer the UD partly because it came with so many stems of different kinds that I haven't needed to buy any gongs or other stems. I haven't bought any additional ones for the enano so just have the one with the resizable bowl but tend to use water so that doesn't work.

I recently got a used arizer eq with Dave's mod set. I find it more powerful than either log and it's less money.

Fuck me, 5 grams a day - I don't think a log would cut it.

Not that I've tried one but I'd say you should be looking into a Cloud Evo or something that can deliver significantly bigger hits than any log can, if you can stretch the budget that far.

DBV/SSV would be the biggest hitters this side of a Cloud and are certainly a lot cheaper. Learning curve is a bitch when you start but for sure a DBV or SSV can deliver the huge hits you'd need.

Honestly I think if you bought a log I think you would be disappointed and only have to shell out more money for a bigger hitter, or you'd go back to smoking immediately. I think you should either shell out the extra cash for a Cloud EVO or go for the SSV/DBV, even though a whip might not be ideal.

@Petro how would you compare the arizer air to a log vape?

If the arizer air is doing a decent job... Would a log be better?

I bought an EQ..disappointed. Was thinking of getting a log. Now thinking maybe an evo?

bobbylite said:

@Petro how would you compare the arizer air to a log vape?

If the arizer air is doing a decent job... Would a log be better?

I bought an EQ..disappointed. Was thinking of getting a log. Now thinking maybe an evo?

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Never used an Air or Solo so I'll make an educated guess - a log would be good if you like the small loads you can put in your Air but would like to get through your load faster and have it hit you harder all at once vs sipping on the Air.

Something like the Evo would be if you want to inhale a lot of vapor all at once? Not ideal for keeping your tolerance low if that's a concern to you.

Thanks guys. Yall the best with the speedy replies. Anyways, if I am going to increase my budget to a cloud evo (which I am still deciding), at that price point, can't I get myself a volcano analog kit? At $350, I can see a few online from online retailers but I just hope they are authentic Volcanos.

Or would the Cloud EVO be better? Let me say, my friends who have the volcano are saying it's getting the job done and proper. Meaning, it is getting them medicate af at a good rate. Can the evo be bag based as well? If so, I might be sold on the EVO since I can connect a water-pipe too it (I think?) where a volcano I can't (I think?).

At 5 grams per day... Is a log for sure out the question? Would've been a nice added compliment to my computer desk

THANKS GUYS.

Look into an herbalaire. Super crazy efficient at extracting everything out of your buds without you even having to grind. Way cheaper than a volcano and directly out of the box you can either direct draw, use the whip, set it up with bags and the main mouthpiece will even seal into both 14mm and 18mm glass - right out the box.

steama said:

Just get an SSV blem....cheap and amazing. Currently none are available but I have got great deals in the FC classifieds and ebay.

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Is there a difference between this and a regular DBV / SSV ? I'm confused on the "blem" part. Thanks for the idea though. People mentioned the 7th Floor Products and most of them love the LSV (I don't like the design personally) but I'm not too sure what to get now.

Some are saying to get the logs but then some say the bowls are too small. I would love a volcano due to its A+ quality (from what I hear), but I don't have $550 and I would love to have a dry hit / bag / water setup if possible. I just can't get over the fact that I really do smoke 5 grams a day. Daaaayuuuuuuummmmmmm

steama said:

The only difference is a 'blem' has a 'blemish' other than that they are completely normal SSVs and DBVs. A few guys recently picked up a blem and posted about it in the SSV thread. I think they couldn't even find the blemish which is often the case.

I think the SSV quality is actually even better than a Volcano (I have both).

If you are looking for a Volcano killer that would be the 'Super Surfer' by 7th Floor --- blows the best bags on the market.

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Ahh, got you. I appreciate your .02 cents haha. But maaaan, now I am officially fucked when it comes down to deciding. In all honestly, I assume a log might be out ( ) , volcano is to expensive, so that comes down only a few left. How is the EVO vs DBV?

FlushedNotRushed said:

I would love a volcano due to its A+ quality (from what I hear), but I don't have $550

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You don't have to spend that much if you act quickly.
http://www.vapeusa.com/collections/...le-temperature-voltage-switch-vaporizing-unit

You'll need to add a valve kit which will add some cost, but still a great deal IMO.

Stu said:

You don't have to spend that much if you act quickly.
http://www.vapeusa.com/collections/...le-temperature-voltage-switch-vaporizing-unit

You'll need to add a valve kit which will add some cost, but still a great deal IMO.

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Is this place legit though? And is it an authentic volcano. If so, and with what you guys say, I will maybe buy it tomrorrow. But.... Is an EVO better at $350 or is the volcan better at $200 + valve kit.

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Let me know guys, I'm willing to buy it if you guys say this site is legit and it is an authentic volcano. The only reason I wont if you guys say otherwise, or if, the EVO is better. But isnt a Volcano at this price good regardless?

Stu, or anyone, can you guys tell me. SHOULD I BUY THIS NOW?!

Stu said:

You don't have to spend that much if you act quickly.
http://www.vapeusa.com/collections/...le-temperature-voltage-switch-vaporizing-unit

You'll need to add a valve kit which will add some cost, but still a great deal IMO.

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Thanks for saying "Act Quickly"... I think I got the last one. Bought it.. Now it says Sold Out. We shall see if I did or if I am going to get refunded. At that price, I'll take the cano. Then I can buy a log or evo when I get used to vaping.

The site is legit and a few respected members got units and everything is authentic. I picked up accessories for my arizer eq and had zero issues everything was great. Maybe with the extra money you saved on the sale picking up a portable would help you make the full switch to vaping. I imagine if you took a week break no smoking followed by 100 percent vaping you might get down to two grams a day!! Luckly you found the right place before tossing any money around. Best of luck with the volcano I hope it treats you well getting the job done and proper.

FlushedNotRushed said:

Is this place legit though?

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Yes, they're legit. I got a Volcano from them myself last week. It's just a "going out of business sale" it seems.

FlushedNotRushed said:

I think I got the last one.

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Enjoy! Once you have converted to 100% vapor, you'll save enough money on herb to buy yourself an Evo or two.