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natural farmer

natural farmer

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OF said:
VC is fun for me thus far, but VM has serious advantages IMO past the first hit.

You have to wait a pretty long time (like a minute) for VC to cool enough after a hit so it clicks again and you can reheat. Otherwise, no click and combustion. VC also takes a LOT more heating for a session (it cools a lot between hits). And you have to wait several minutes for it to cool enough so you can touch the hot parts (like the cap) to change loads. Since the load size is so tiny this is a necessary inconvenience using VC for more than a quick top up.

I like the VC, but it's no threat to VM at my house.

OF
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Wow! So different experiences with such a simple device! For me it always clicks by the end of the draw and after a few secs I can touch it bare handed. If I want to take the cap off right away I use the tube as a handle and remove it. I also find it needs overall less heating to finish the same size load with the VC and thus less butane. Also, somehow a VC load gets me as blitzed as a VM load which is about double in size... Weird right?
 
OF

OF

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natural farmer said:
Wow! So different experiences with such a simple device! For me it always clicks by the end of the draw and after a few secs I can touch it bare handed. If I want to take the cap off right away I use the tube as a handle and remove it. I also find it needs overall less heating to finish the same size load with the VC and thus less butane. Also, somehow a VC load gets me as blitzed as a VM load which is about double in size... Weird right?
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Weird indeed. I don't think I'm at all alone in this. For instance:
"I've been timing my 'clicks'. It will make a difference depending on the lighter used. I will keep trying and get an average for the triple and single lighter when it arrives.
So far triple from cold to first click, heat in the middle, it's been 12 secs. Then 22 to cool down then 7 on the heat to the next click, 22 to cool, 7 to hot click. +/- a second."
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/dynavap-vapcap.18853/page-99#post-926333

And the upgraded 'dugout' case has a magnet in the lid for you to 'park' your VC on so it'll cool faster? I believe that addition was in response to the 'slow to cool off' issue?

And WRT gas consumption, the above seven seconds with a triple flame torch is way past what I have to heat VM between hits with a smaller torch. Using that same torch on VC takes me much longer to reheat than my customary 'four count' with VM.

This squares with more Butane usage reports (mine included) like:
"The only drawback for me is all the butane I'm using 2 (1.48oz) cans so far, @ 1.99 a can more expensive than charging a battery.

But for 9.99 I got the big can now."
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/dynavap-vapcap.18853/page-98#post-926059

As far as 'finishing a load', while I haven't measured I'd bet VM holds twice the volume?

Strange indeed. For now I'll stick by 'my take'. Those VM owners truly curious should, I think, invest $30 and get in line for some first hand experience? The wait is a fraction of what I had, under two weeks? It's been showing 'projected Feb 17' for a while now.

In the end others' experiences are just the experiences of others. What really counts is what you find, how it 'fits your pistol'?

OF
 
OF

OF

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nondarb said:
Brought VM to work for truck duty. We need silent torches.
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Or tiny battery powered Heating Stations...... Don't hold your breath there of course.

There are work arounds for the clicking of the sparker, but the 'roar' of the torch will be with us still.

In a vehicle based session (not battery powered), where abundant power is available from the cigarette lighter, a compact Power Station should be possible? If it was a dedicated VM unit, it could be flat rather than round. Or simply smaller in diameter, say 3/4 inch rather than the over inch and a half it is. It only has to be as thick as the pan is in such cases. The extra size in VM is needed for the flame and a handle.......

It would be corded of course (a 12 Volt power supply would drive it 'at home') but it could have a pan electrically heated from below on demand (you'd push a button rather than torching it) with the VM pan built it. A normal VM midsection and MP would be put on top. Vaping action should be identical of course. Accurate temperature control of the process would be a natural byproduct?

OTOH demand for such a product might be too small to make it worth it.

Fun thoughts for a Holiday Morning. Thanks.

OF
 
hoyo77

hoyo77

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Seren said:
In my opinion @420engineer - there is no comparison - the Vapman wins on all counts - particularly in terms of taste. But, to be fair, the VapCap does have a lot of love here on FC - so it clearly ticks some boxes.

:2c: :leaf: :peace:
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They are also 2 different vapes as well, I have a VapCap and it does not get as much use as my vapman. the VapCap is more stealthier. The VapMan is in a class all by itself!!

Check your messages baby sis..got some news for you!!
 
OF

OF

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birdbraineater said:
I think I'm getting the hang of this thing.
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Good, keep after it. And keep an eye on the condition of the load as the action changes as part of the load (the light stuff) leaves. Early on I dumped the ABV early (and put in my HA to finish) so that variable was removed.

Think of it as a rhythm more than a technique. And 'don't be too shy with the heat'. Guys early on tend to fear combustion too much I think, look to find the limit, combustion isn't fatal (especially early on when things inside are fairly clean).

Enjoy it, it grows on you for sure. I just found my Walnut one again last night, this afternoon I get to make sure it still works. It's OK, I deserve it......

OF
 
birdbraineater

birdbraineater

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birdbraineater said:
I think I'm getting the hang of this thing.[
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OF said:
Good, keep after it. And keep an eye on the condition of the load as the action changes as part of the load (the light stuff) leaves. Early on I dumped the ABV early (and put in my HA to finish) so that variable was removed.

Think of it as a rhythm more than a technique. And 'don't be too shy with the heat'. Guys early on tend to fear combustion too much I think, look to find the limit, combustion isn't fatal (especially early on when things inside are fairly clean).

Enjoy it, it grows on you for sure. I just found my Walnut one again last night, this afternoon I get to make sure it still works. It's OK, I deserve it......

OF
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your walnut one?
 
OF

OF

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birdbraineater said:
your walnut one?
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Yep. When I ordered my Heating Station the package deal was just too attractive to pass up. Since I already had my original Pear classic (with mica) and my 'backup' basic version (Pear without the mica) I went nuts and bought a Walnut one for special occasions. I then packaged it in a handy camera case, showed it off a couple times, then set it somewhere.......
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This is what it looks like outside:
This is what's on the inside, factory torch, and vial of herb ready to go:
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This is what's in the lid, including concentrate screens and some handy concentrate:
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I hope you can understand why I was anxious about where it might be hiding, and happy it's come back? Now to find an excuse to use it. Like say a Thursday.....

You know it was tough, having the photos but not the VM. I think I know how parents of the kids on milk cartons feel.......

OF
 
OF

OF

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OF said:
Or tiny battery powered Heating Stations...... Don't hold your breath there of course.

It would be corded of course (a 12 Volt power supply would drive it 'at home') but it could have a pan electrically heated from below on demand (you'd push a button rather than torching it) with the VM pan built it. A normal VM midsection and MP would be put on top.
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Thinking a bit more about this it think it's possible to cobble up a prototype pretty easily and mess around with the idea a bit. What I'm thinking is to start with a soldering gun (not iron). Like this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00002N7S0?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage

These guys get to soldering temperatures (ironically in the range we want) in a second or two by applying LOTS of power the poor little copper wire that makes the loop for the tip. Lots of current (Amps) at not many Volts. I'm thinking of replacing the factory loop with a Copper ring or even cone shape spiral to match the VM pan bottom.

I'm not sure if my original idea, put it on the loop, turn on the heat (heat the pan), shutdown and pull it off to hit normally (more or less like the VM Heating Station does). Perhaps the extra copper won't upset the heat transfer within the pan so the heating loop can remain in contact full time (which makes a lot of other things easier to deal with perhaps? Like heat sensing. Perhaps make shoes to make electrical contact with t he pan and run the current directly though it......

After experimenting to figure out workable configuration(s), making it compact and able to run on 12 VDC would follow in due time. But for prototyping the ease of getting lots of power is attractive.

Fun idea, but in a way it goes against the soul of the VM.......a flameless, corded VM just seems wrong somehow. Even if it's a natural in your boat or RV?

OF
 
birdbraineater

birdbraineater

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OF said:
Thinking a bit more about this it think it's possible to cobble up a prototype pretty easily and mess around with the idea a bit. What I'm thinking is to start with a soldering gun (not iron). Like this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00002N7S0?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage

These guys get to soldering temperatures (ironically in the range we want) in a second or two by applying LOTS of power the poor little copper wire that makes the loop for the tip. Lots of current (Amps) at not many Volts. I'm thinking of replacing the factory loop with a Copper ring or even cone shape spiral to match the VM pan bottom.

I'm not sure if my original idea, put it on the loop, turn on the heat (heat the pan), shutdown and pull it off to hit normally (more or less like the VM Heating Station does). Perhaps the extra copper won't upset the heat transfer within the pan so the heating loop can remain in contact full time (which makes a lot of other things easier to deal with perhaps? Like heat sensing. Perhaps make shoes to make electrical contact with t he pan and run the current directly though it......

After experimenting to figure out workable configuration(s), making it compact and able to run on 12 VDC would follow in due time. But for prototyping the ease of getting lots of power is attractive.

Fun idea, but in a way it goes against the soul of the VM.......a flameless, corded VM just seems wrong somehow. Even if it's a natural in your boat or RV?

OF
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yesterday on Reddit, I read, and saw a video of a guy that uses a regular bong and a heat gun to Vaporize. He fills the bong with herb, then turns on the heat gun. He places the heat gun nozzle an inch from the bong bowl for a couple seconds and ... vapes away.
 
Choughed

Choughed

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My better half nailed down the draw speed thing, and I found myself slowing down even further too, but oh my goodness, the hits can be so crazy!! We cough, feel like we might die, DH needs his asthma inhaler, fat clouds all over the place. Haha. Crazy. Gotta speed it up a fraction again. But, it means we have complete control over the hit. I reckon draw speed is more important than torch technique right now, since all that takes is counting to 4. :) I can't believe it, it's been how long since Vapman came into our lives, using it every day, and we're STILL getting better at it!!

Which reminds me.. I wanted to say, that I had no idea how personal this little thing would be, how much I'd be holding it every day, and if I could go back in time, I'd have not been so stingy and got the basic pre-charred one with engraving from @M0J0 because it's beautiful, and despite loving the Vapman I have, I do regret not going that way. The way that it's built, I don't think I'm going to need a replacement any time soon either!
 
OF

OF

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Choughed said:
My better half nailed down the draw speed thing, and I found myself slowing down even further too, but oh my goodness, the hits can be so crazy!! We cough, feel like we might die, DH needs his asthma inhaler, fat clouds all over the place. Haha. Crazy. Gotta speed it up a fraction again. But, it means we have complete control over the hit.
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OK, so you found out......now lower your voice so everyone doesn't?

Kidding aside for a moment, it's not a good sort of secret to be keeping......to bad it doesn't 'get around' more.

You're right, the humble VM gives you great control of the process. You can tune for any number of results, it's easy to become fast friends with the little fellow. It is indeed a very personal vape.

Glad you joined up.

OF
 
The Beagle

The Beagle

Bubbles & Bags
birdbraineater said:
yesterday on Reddit, I read, and saw a video of a guy that uses a regular bong and a heat gun to Vaporize. He fills the bong with herb, then turns on the heat gun. He places the heat gun nozzle an inch from the bong bowl for a couple seconds and ... vapes away.
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During my last Netherland trip last October I was chatting with a 50 something guy while sharing a Verdamper and he told me how he and his friends used to do the same thing back in the days when vaping was a fairly new and unknown thing. BTW if you are visiting the Netherlands spend a couple of days in Utrecht and stop at 't Grasje coffeeshop, great little friendly place.
 
M0J0

M0J0

I am a leaf on the wind ~ watch how I soar...
The Beagle said:
During my last Netherland trip last October I was chatting with a 50 something guy while sharing a Verdamper and he told me how he and his friends used to do the same thing back in the days when vaping was a fairly new and unknown thing. BTW if you are visiting the Netherlands spend a couple of days in Utrecht and stop at 't Grasje coffeeshop, great little friendly place.
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That's interesting. Among all the things I've tried, I made a ghetto light bulb vape. It was fun to make, but I could never get it to work right.

I bet it would work with heat gun - hmmm...
 
vapman

vapman

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birdbraineater said:
yesterday on Reddit, I read, and saw a video of a guy that uses a regular bong and a heat gun to Vaporize. He fills the bong with herb, then turns on the heat gun. He places the heat gun nozzle an inch from the bong bowl for a couple seconds and ... vapes away.
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When and who exactly invented vaporizing, I don't know but back in the year 2000 (I bought my first vaporizer in December 1999), I came across some pioneers of the vaporizing scene. That was at the first hemp fair (Cannatrade) in Bern, Switzerland. I will never forget the guy with the huge heat gun blowing
an unbelievable amount of vapor into a massive glass dome, over a meter large. He asked everybody passing by to suck on the tube hanging from the dome but there was so much vapor, you would have to see it to believe it. This guy actually sold that set up with heat gun and dome to visitors at the exhibition. Of course he did not sell many, who needs a vaporizer big enough to "feed" a whole army?:lol:

Anyway, the Dutch guy with the big heat gun happens to be the man who made the "Verdamper" a few years later and is making them still today. Even the "Verdamper" is probably still one of the fattest vaporizer on the market, it is a little toy compared to what he had installed back then at the fair.
Markus Storz and Jürgen Bickel were also there with their first "Volcano" prototype, showing to visitors what they will bring on to the market soon. I am not 100% sure but I think Storz and Bickel got their idea of using a heat gun (hot air) from the "Verdamper" guy from Holland. When I visited Markus and Jürgen a few years ago, they told me that they actually went to a company in Switzerland with the request for a special heat gun. They soon decided to make their own heat gun, the famous Volcano vaporizer.

The second pioneer I met was Eagle Bill, an American Vietnam veteran who allegedly invented vaporizing by heating a glass bowl with herbs.
In 2003 I participated for the first time at the hemp fair in Bern, I had a booth and Eagle Bill came to test my product. He liked it and proposed to me, that I could name it "Eagle Bill" which was a great compliment for a newbie and green horn like me. After all, I did not use his name and I moved on to my next project, the human powered vaporizer. A few years later, I heard that Eagle Bill died in Holland.

Your mention of the heat gun brought all the memories back, thank you!:)


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