Once again @vorrange - fantastic informative post. Appreciate you taking the time, because it seems like you sincerely understand where i'm coming from, without trying to "force" your opinions on me and without being condescending. Thank you! I am definitely strongly considering the vapman as my next torch vape!
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420engineer
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Buy a Vapman, give it a week long test drive, and it you don't like it I'm sure you'll have no problems selling it on, though, that is unlikely 
birdbraineater
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I think the crack heads may take offence too!It's possible that butane can leak from the lighter from an area other than the nozzle, but not possible that it can come out the nozzle and escape the flame. You're free to disagree of course. Too "crack head"? If I were a butane vape fan I'd find that kind of condescending.
420engineer
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the amount of pseudo science on this site astounds me
OF
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Yep, it's fun sometimes. We get 'don't risk toxic Butane' warnings from health nuts using Bic lighters (with their actually toxic 'flint dust') as examples. Guys who can smell/taste Butane which is officially odorless (look it up.....). And warning on how Butane itself is toxic, yet it it hugely abused by 'huffers' at levels far far above anything we might experience. IIRC it's really popular in the UK, the principle risk being frostbite from spraying it directly into your mouth?
I get it that some guys don't like Butane, and some need to feel superior in that prejudice. But calling those of us who safely use this heat source stupid, ignorant, 'crack heads', or whatever in the process is plain old out of line IMO.
Hard to take advice from guys who brag about being more health conscious, able to smell/taste (and be revolted by no less) a substance science says you can't smell or taste (which is why we put stinky stuff in so you 'can smell a gas leak'?) and yet take no notice of the known toxic dust in Bics (and other 'flint' type lighters) very seriously, isn't it?
Their loss, our gain. Fear not, Vapman faithful!
OF
nondarb
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A bunch of hot air if you ask me!!
VapeKnight
Day Tripper
How is the VM for hash ? In the years I've owned my I've only used it for dry herb. does anyone vary their technique or temp.?
Andreaerdna
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Search for @NorVape posts. It seems it shines, with hash or solid concentrates, it exists a special screen for this usage
Nugg
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Of the 3 butane vapes I own the vapman is the hardest to combust in. I gently bring it up to temp when I'm flavour chasing and by the time you get anywhere near combustion temps it stops producing vapor. If I heat more aggressively for a big first cloud it is still hard to combust because I stop heating when I can see vapor leaking out.
I would say that vapman extracts better than the lotus. I always have perfectly even abv that is as dark as I want it. The lotus leaves me with very uneven abv and I can't get it as dark as the vapman for fear of combustion. Plus you gotta stir the lotus after every hit.
I don't know why people are so hung up on conduction vs convection. If it works it works. My vapman and solo are the 2 tastiest vapes I own. YMMV. It could be down to how I use my vapes.
Last night I got to be by myself and have a long and relaxed vape session. Vapman Station 1 was my weapon of choice. I find loading a full bowl is a good way to keep the flavour better for longer. I start on level 2 and have a few sips each heat cycle. I then move up to level 4 until the flavour runs out then one final heat cycle on 6 to make sure I got everything. The ability to change temp at the drop of a hat is awesome. No need to wait for the heating element to heat up or cool down just adjust the dial.
I would say that vapman extracts better than the lotus. I always have perfectly even abv that is as dark as I want it. The lotus leaves me with very uneven abv and I can't get it as dark as the vapman for fear of combustion. Plus you gotta stir the lotus after every hit.
I don't know why people are so hung up on conduction vs convection. If it works it works. My vapman and solo are the 2 tastiest vapes I own. YMMV. It could be down to how I use my vapes.
Last night I got to be by myself and have a long and relaxed vape session. Vapman Station 1 was my weapon of choice. I find loading a full bowl is a good way to keep the flavour better for longer. I start on level 2 and have a few sips each heat cycle. I then move up to level 4 until the flavour runs out then one final heat cycle on 6 to make sure I got everything. The ability to change temp at the drop of a hat is awesome. No need to wait for the heating element to heat up or cool down just adjust the dial.
The Beagle
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This is exactly how I use it when hitting the Vapman dry through my j hook, it gives excellent flavor and full extraction.
420engineer
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I heat mine for 4 seconds initially, then give it two 8 second blasts and take a good hit, after that another two 5 second blasts and I get a final big cloud, and full extraction in the bowl.
nb; I run mine through a bubbler
nb; I run mine through a bubbler
The Beagle
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I'll add that when using through water (probably 90% of the times) I keep it to the max setting for the entire bowl. Sometimes I take the first one or two hits dry at 4 to get most of the flavor. I still have to experiment a bit with keeping the Vapman on the Station while hitting.
OF
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While this might be perfect, others should realize that if they're not using 'the same' torch, heat setting and distances they'll get different results. You need to compensate for changes in your torch flame if you want to keep using the same technique as it changes. I use the mouth of the VM (always handy.....) as a gauge to keep the length uniform in use.
OF
420engineer
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I use the Vapman lighter, and don't let the inner flame touch the bowl.
OF
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420engineer
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I'm not suggesting my timing is to be replicated, I was just chiming in with mine as others were offering their methods.
The Beagle
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I think that the learning curve that is often mentioned when speaking about the Vapman doesn't mean that you have to always replicate the same method of heating the bowl but is more about getting a feeling with your device and knowing how to adjust your technique according to changes like flame size, air temperature, weed dryness and so on.
birdbraineater
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I'll be getting a Vaponic soon. What style torch do you recommend? I know this is, for the most part, a discussion on the Vapman but, I thought I'd chime in with a butane lighter question.
M0J0
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Crap, did I waste my 420th post?!Thanks for the welcome, especially on your 420th post!Not really sure what to make of your post, I don't even own a SV3, so I think there is some misunderstanding. I had the pleasure of trying the SV3 as I said in my first post in this thread, and came to this thread since I was checking out all torch vapes, and specifically see how they compared to my experience with the SV3. I do have a SV3 on its way, so yes I will be testing it myself and putting it through more of a ringer than the 1 hour I spent with the SV3 last sunday.
Not willing money to test it for myself? You obviously don't know how bad my VAS is! What you are saying makes little sense to me, it's like don't bother reading the posts or reviews, and just buy it and make up my own mind? I value other people's opinions too much to just potentially throw my hard earned money in the trash.
I do agree that pure convection is overrated, but so is pure conduction IMO.
I guess i'll keep any other questions about comparisons to other vapes in a separate thread, or on a different forum. Thanks again for the welcome.
natural farmer
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I think today I will unspoil mine by using the vapcap instead...Happy Valentines to my beautiful Vapman family
I've decided to spoil my Little Fella today with some super duper cheese & my favourite Nepalese hash.
How will you spoil yours?
420engineer
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how do the Vapcap & Vapman compare, as an owner of both?
OF
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VC is fun for me thus far, but VM has serious advantages IMO past the first hit.
You have to wait a pretty long time (like a minute) for VC to cool enough after a hit so it clicks again and you can reheat. Otherwise, no click and combustion. VC also takes a LOT more heating for a session (it cools a lot between hits). And you have to wait several minutes for it to cool enough so you can touch the hot parts (like the cap) to change loads. Since the load size is so tiny this is a necessary inconvenience using VC for more than a quick top up.
I like the VC, but it's no threat to VM at my house.
OF
Seren
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In my opinion @420engineer - there is no comparison - the Vapman wins on all counts - particularly in terms of taste. But, to be fair, the VapCap does have a lot of love here on FC - so it clearly ticks some boxes.
bounce5
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In my opinion @420engineer - there is no comparison - the Vapman wins on all counts - particularly in terms of taste. But, to be fair, the VapCap does have a lot of love here on FC - so it clearly ticks some boxes.
A tip on the taste. If you purchase a mflb glass stem, you can connect it to the vapcap through the mouthpiece and create an all glass path. This takes care of the silicone taste issue. You'll just need a swiss army knife with the reamer tool to carefully slice open the hole a little wider. If you also purchase some mflb silicone tubing you could buy two or three glass stems and connect them altogether with small pieces of the silicone tubing and make an even longer stem. With two mflb stems, I find it's ideal and also easier to hold.
I still love the Vapman though. Like @Iamkrazy said it makes me appreciate the VM more.