Discontinued The RBT Milaana (unregulated single 18650)

little maggie said:

Triihouse is no more because of legal issues in that state and a decision not to move to another state. Which is understandable.

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I can't understand that one. They had/have a great vape. I would move!

Glad to hear about Ryan's manufacturing deal.

I think it would be hard to pick up and move if settled in one place just in the hopes of having a big market. When I was in my twenties I would have- moved to different states over that period- but not once settled. Too bad someone doesn't buy the blueprint or whatever for the Triihouse.

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IAmKrazy2 said:

@nosmoking

I own both too bro. Please see above.

Edit. Thanks CG beat me there.

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I know you have both, but you arent as comfortable with your FW3 and you already had Zion tech so I dont feel you gave it much effort either. Perhaps I am wrong and if so I apologize as I am not trying to discount the value I see in your reviews and comments. I think @Mulehead was really into his FW3 and that is why I feel he would be better to hear from. If he feels the same way you do @IAmKrazy2 then I will be surprised, however I will know for sure whats up.

nosmoking said:

I know you have both, but you arent as comfortable with your FW3 and you already had Zion tech so I dont feel you gave it much effort either. Perhaps I am wrong and if so I apologize as I am not trying to discount the value I see in your reviews and comments. I think @Mulehead was really into his FW3 and that is why I feel he would be better to hear from. If he feels the same way you do @IAmKrazy2 then I will be surprised, however I will know for sure whats up.

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Hmmm. When you say, and i quote, "The only person to have Zion tech and a FW3 currently is @Mulehead so he is the only one that truly can compare." it doesnt seem that you are aware that i have both like you said you were. I do have both, and could truly compare if i wanted to.

If you are/were aware i had both when you made that statement it sure as hell could be confusing to others that i actually am/was the first to own both.

Edit. I am not trying to be insulting, just correcting your statement and chiming in i own both so others are not misslead by your statement. I am again not ripping the FW3, but i think i would be in an excellent position to compare it with the Zi, and i will tell you one thing for certain..? the Zion heater technology is more powerful than the fw3 hands down. This part, is not an opinion of mine but rather an observation of vast diffrences in performance. The Fw3 is more pockerable (smaller), and i like the bowl system used more than the glass stems in the Zion. But i guarantee to all out there the single battery zion whatever its name is will have more power than the Fw3.

But maybe @Mulehead can chime in with his observations if he also owns both

IAmKrazy2 said:

i will tell you one thing for certain, the Zion heater technology is more powerful. This part, is not an opinion of mine but rather an observation of vast diffrences in performamce. The Fw3 is more pockerable, and i like the bowl system used more than the glass stems in the Zion.

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Thanks for the comparison. I'm starting to get that the Zion heater is why everyone's excited here.

Just the same, the capsule system of the FW3 seems useful for a stealth portable.

nosmoking said:

You are correct, however my ESV operates at a peak level of performance. It easily can keep up with my Daisy. The FW3 is not a basic vape and should be compared more with the Zion and USB imho. The problem with the FW3 is it does require more technique. Zion tech has been built around the first time user in mind so no technique is really required. I think this is the bigger diference between the two and performance is probably not as big a difference I bet.

The only person to have Zion tech and a FW3 currently is @Mulehead so he is the only one that truly can compare.

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I like em both!
I like all my vapes.

I'll start by saying RBT's heater technology is revolutionary.
I'm looking forward to Milaana!?! I preferred Ion.
Can't wait to try this heater unregulated!!
I predict TOD to be my favorite!

The FW3 is one of my biggest hitters.
It is pretty restrictive.
More of a session style device because it just keeps hitting.
Works well as a one hit, and finish later too.
It's easy to pocket.
The capsule system is easier on the go if you have spares to prepack.
My experience with fw3 is different than @IAmKrazy2,
I don't find vapor to be harsh at all, but more concentrated.
For me this concentrated flavor = better flavor, more is better for me.
The vapor feedback is critical for me to get consistent results, so I use it dry.
With this feedback you can ramp up your draw to match the heater heating up.
You can and will overpower its heater until this feedback is read.
The lack of easy to swap batteries is a bummer, but they are user replaceable.
It's a great final vape, it extracts all there is to offer, and a little goes a long way!
Anyone waiting on preordered instant convection devices, I highly recommend fw3.
I feel it's a great training aid to figure out convection vaporizers because of its lower wattage heater.


Also keep in mind I've only had a Zion for two days, and fw for about 3 months.
I'm one that believes practice makes perfect with vapes.
The Zion is one of my biggest hitters as well.
It's so simple to use.
@little maggie there is no learning curve with this one! I'm anxious for you and @Madcap79 to get yours back.
It seems wide open after using fw for awhile.
Both can be restrictive when overpacked, like any convection device.
I find myself ramping up my draw to match the heater temp I desire.
The difference here is I haven't overwhelmed Zion's heater.
WT's take Zion to a different level.
I have a feeling the evo crowd will love this thing!

Flavor is great in both, because production is great in both.
They both, like the rest of my line up have something different to offer.

The bowls/charge 3-4 FW3
7-? Zion, I always lose track, honeymoon and all.

Anything else you want me to hit on, just ask.

So did @MrPeanut ever post pics of his USB, or is he still being a big tease?
Also @MrPeanut why the air inlet change?
Will change compare to Zion's resistance?

I think it should be called "The Peanut", as a thanks to @MrPeanut and because it kinda reminds me of one anyhow. Could be made more peanut styled too, a little rounder..
Seriously considering pre-ordering this, but I feel like it'd just be because I want it, not because I need it..

Choughed said:

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.......Seriously considering pre-ordering this, but I feel like it'd just be because I want it, not because I need it..

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There's a fine line eh?
My INH 05 serves me well enough that I don't strictly speaking need a Milana, but the temptation of much better clouds, an 18 times faster heat up time (!) and many other possible benefits have put me firmly in the need camp

Personally, I hope that RBT sticks with either the style of body seen in Mr P's Alpha/Beta unit, or the style with the rounded edges and bottom as seen in my avatar (@thekarmawhore's work I think, I don't know if he or RBT is the one responsible for the design itself though?) .
I like the shape of both, and the rounded bottom forces us to lie the unit down instead of balancing it precariously 'upright' (sure to be risky for the glass stem).

I also hope that RBT introduces some sort of mouthpiece retainer, or catch.
No biggie if he doesn't though, as I plan to make something myself, either out of wire, a bit like a more minimal version of the wire joint clips that already exist, or perhaps a washer to slide over the mouthpiece, with a couple of 'tabs' bent down towards a couple of tiny magnets in the body.

I think I'll be using mine mostly at home though, either through water, or a sherlock ( both situations where the unit will be upside down, I think the rounded bottom surface would look especially good that way up too )

Whatever he decides to do, I hope he takes his time getting there and doesn't feel rushed by all us poor salivating fools.
I want to receive something made by someone who's really enjoyed the process, because making stuff feels GREAT!

BTW, does anyone know if the LED is still a likely inclusion? (not that important to me, just kinda like the idea/wondering)

nosmoking said:

I think this is the bigger diference between the two and performance is probably not as big a difference I bet

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Mulehead said:

You can and will overpower its heater until this feedback is read.

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I don't recall if the FW3 power was disclosed or not, but I think the Zion has close to two times the Watts. As @Mulehead said, you need to be an elephant to overwhelm the Zion heater! And power is one thing, but the real break-through is the high surface area heater. All that power very efficiently heats the air, instead of heating some large heatsink or the device body.

I only have the FW2.1 but that aspect didn't change in the FW3: the vapor path is way too short in stock form. You end up getting so much hot air directly in your throat it's really uncomfortable. In fact I wasn't able to use it before I rigged a custom stem extension using some Ascent glass straw and a silicone tubing junction.

Last but not least, the batteries in the FW don't hold voltage much and just take ages to recharge. Having the ability to swap standard 18650 cells at will seals the deal for me.

Like I said before @IAmKrazy2 , i didnt think of you because you dont use yours or chime in on the FW3 thread. I never meant to mislead anyone but when you say the FW3 is basic I think that is misleading. I think the comments since my post that came from you, Mulehead and kero really sum it up though and I really appreciate that kinda feedback

@nosmoking : don't get me wrong, I wouldn't call the FW a basic vape at all. Portable convection vapes are a minority, the more we have around the happier I am! And it's not a competition, there is room for many devices and people should all get 3-4 vapes or more to deal with all situations.

I didn't get the FW3 because my experience with the FW2.1 wasn't stellar, but a lot of FC members loved it and if I didn't get one back then I would have ordered the new version a month ago I think.

Bizkat said:

Thanks for the comparison. I'm starting to get that the Zion heater is why everyone's excited here.

Just the same, the capsule system of the FW3 seems useful for a stealth portable.

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With the super short Milaana stems, and a little leather wallet (or wood block just like FW3), you could pre pack several to carry with you. I've done this for a long car ride with long Zion stems, works incredibly well, I had more loaded stems than I even needed actually since it wasn't a super long trip even... I imagine Zion Milaana capsules is very doable, just like this, or in another way too perhaps.

Nice comparisons @Mulehead! Now you see why I needed an Evo to get me through my Zion downtime, and then why I sold it when my Zion returned... Almost had went with an FW3 at the time, but glad I didn't bother and chose Evo personally. Seems like it can be a great intro to portable pure convection though

nosmoking said:

Like I said before @IAmKrazy2 , i didnt think of you because you dont use yours or chime in on the FW3 thread. I never meant to mislead anyone but when you say the FW3 is basic I think that is misleading. I think the comments since my post that came from you, Mulehead and kero really sum it up though and I really appreciate that kinda feedback

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There is a handful of positives on the FW3, and certainly a contender for the best value battery portable on the market IMO. Did i call it basic? Dont remember saying that (dont think i did but i could have) or are you putting words in my mouth?

I just get annoyed when members state something like a fact that is either incorrect or an opinion. Members who have been posting here consistently for years do not tend to do this as often, while newer members tend to do this more often. Just would appreciate these members labeling their opinions as such, or if they are uncertain about something, following up with the statement "to the best of my knowledge" or something similiar. Sorry if i was rude in any of my responses. I felt like there was a handful of opinions yesterday incorrectly framed as facts (not just this thread) and i had grown increasingly frustrated when i saw your post. Sorry nosmoke. No malice intended.

For what it is worth i actually agree with the majority of the incite provided by @Mulehead in relation to the fw3 vs. the Zion. Each have advantages and disadvantages where sheer power and advanced heater tech is the Zion signature. Fw3 excels in size, has unique cutting edge vibration feedback, and a delivery/bowl system that i prefer to glass stems in the Zion. For some the fw3 may be plenty powerful, i personally prefer the more robust Zion heater, and the fw3 vapor just seems to come in very hot, like @KeroZen's observation i have a difficult time using the fw3 without adding tubing or water filtration

Ok. Back to Zion Single battery discussion. If anyone wishes to discuss apples vs oranges make a new thread and tag me, or shoot me a PM.

I believe a stem lock system in the single battery will greatly improve this vape. It will allow one to more easily prepack a bowl and put the unit in their pocket, and allow a lesser chance you may break a stem while out and about.

Any plan for a stir stick on this unit? Maybe a short non removable ala the Lotus (such a awesome design for a stir stick)

Good Morning, Good Day, Good Evening wherever you might be. Thought I would pop in and answer a couple of these questions. This is information from the horse's mouth Friday evening. A lot can change with RBT in a day so we can wait until his Sunday (or early, early Monday wee hours) weekly update to see what else he has come up with. This morning I got a text with a new (way better IMHO) inlet idea. This guy dreams of vape ideas.... crazy!

Copacetic said:

I also hope that RBT introduces some sort of mouthpiece retainer, or catch.

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Ryan is on it. Due to the slight variation in glass size it is a necessity. He showed me a couple ideas he had. Next week when he gets another engineering/tinkering day. He is full bore into Zion production for all of you cult members right now.

Copacetic said:

I think I'll be using mine mostly at home though, either through water, or a sherlock ( both situations where the unit will be upside down, I think the rounded bottom surface would look especially good that way up too

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The shape/form factor is changing with smoother lines and more rounded edges.

Copacetic said:

BTW, does anyone know if the LED is still a likely inclusion? (not that important to me, just kinda like the idea/wondering)

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NO LED.

IAmKrazy2 said:

Any plan for a stir stick on this unit? Maybe a short non removable ala the Lotus (such a awesome design for a stir stick)

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He talked about a stir stick. Not sure if it will be on-board stashable. He has not gotten that far. Again Zion manufacturing for all the cult members.



I am loving the short stems in Milaana! The stem I am running is (7mm from end to end) and it still produces a nice cool vapor like the Zion's longer stems.

Again the comparison to other vapes is mute at this point. No one has a unit close enough to Milaana to compare it to anything except me and I have VERY limited experience with other vapes.

Awful name. That's not official, is it?

edit - no offense to all you who like it, but.. i really don't! it seems to have taken hold in the last few pages and i'm not sure i understand why.

MrPeanut said:

NO LED.

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No LED? When did that happen? I thought it would be included and be able to switch on or off by inverting the battery...

Thanks for being the 'inside man' @MrPeanut .
Nothin'but good news in there IMHO
The VG thing is interesting.
I've just started to make my own juice for e-cigs, and although huge clouds and great effects are easy to achieve, taste is somewhat less stellar.
It's also a PITA to prepare.
I'm keen to try the flower drops, and I might try my own juice in my INH05 soon.

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Was still composing my post and didn't see the two above me.
Wasn't trying to be contrary, sorry!

jim-bob said:

Awful name. That's not official, is it?

edit - no offense to all you who like it, but.. i really don't! it seems to have taken hold in the last few pages and i'm not sure i understand why.

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As far as we know it is (read first post hinting at it then confirmation following) and it is very unique, I don't love it I don't hate it, it sounds nice and has a cool meaning... Done and done

Zion flagship, Milaana entry level, then...?!

natural farmer said:

No LED? When did that happen? I thought it would be included and be able to switch on or off by inverting the battery...

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I think you will see more bells and whistles in the next designs (V-2's). He is just trying to put out simple vapes that produce excellent vapor, keep the cost down and get units out in the world right now. He needs to make a solvent business or he will end up like some of the other companies that are gone in the wind. Milaana is 100% regulated by the user. There are no components beyond the body, heater, battery accoutrements and the button.

Ya baby that's what I want to hear. keep the man out of my vaping experience. I want power-heat to my herb then to my lungs then to my head. That's all. Nothing more nothing less. And at a reasonable price. Hell ya. One of the most powerful heaters paired with one of the best battery's on the market is just meant to be. Damn I'm getting excited all over again.

OK...I've officially jumped on board. Thanks to everybody for answering my questions comparing USB and Firewood 3, especially @Mulehead . Looking forward to being part of this.

Welcome @Bizkat

So as far as I understand the difference between this and the Lotus...actually I guess we don't really know yet...

Except:

-Lotus is cheaper overall to start (just the pipe)
-Lotus would have more resistance on the draw than the USB.
-Lotus would take longer to heat than the USB.
-Lotus makes noise due to the torch.
-Lotus is longer with the long stem.
-Lotus has an exposed hotplate which needs to cool down before stashing away - unless you buy and use the leather case.
-Stowing away the vape with herb inside it sounds less messy/more versatile in the USB. I heard with the Lotus the herb can get tossed up into the crevices of the Cap and makes a mess. (Correct me if I'm wrong)
-USB seems easier to clean
-Lotus has no electronics. Totally intert airpath. Not totally sure about the USB.
-Speculating here but it sounds like the Lotus might be more consistent. The USB will change as the battery discharges (have to hold the button down more or less depending on charge). For example, If I go weeks without using the USB and can't remember how charged the battery is, it will be harder to determine how long I should hold down the button.

I wonder which will be more powerful? Maybe the USB on a full charge sounds more powerful than the Lotus.

Anything else that can be added?

bounce5 said:

So as far as I understand the difference between this and the Lotus...actually I guess we don't really know yet...

Except:

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I wonder which will be more powerful? Maybe the USB on a full charge sounds more powerful than the Lotus.

Anything else that can be added?

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??? I'm not sure I get this comparison. Rather than list how they are different, for me its a list of how they are similar. And for me that is pretty much "made of wood, and hits very hard". Everything else, other than maybe general size, is different.

And, btw, "Hits very Hard" is why Lotus is number 2 in my vape order, and what I expect to like best about Milaana (USB).

@MrPeanut does the Milaana work with small amounts of material? What is the minimum amount you can use with it? Can it work with .05 grams?