Vapman

gkaraman said:

Hello.

Has anyone tried the MFLB dart stem ? I wonder if this flat mouthpiece has better natural comfortable feel.

Also the MFLB silicone whip draw ? I want to connect with water tool my vapman with whip so not flaming upside down.


What you think the better inhaling option is when vaping, for lungs health, for deeper and longer draws, or for both ?
a. diaphragm inhalation (stomach)
b. upper chest inhalation
c. both in the same breathe(first fill stomach, then fill upper chest)
d. does not matter

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Never tried the dart stem, but it looks cool.

I use a glass joint filter for a MP...Feels great.

The draw technique doesn't matter, unless your lungs have unstated restrictions.

Due to the way the VM is built, the way you draw is unimportant...what is, is keeping the pan hot enough to vaporize your herb, which is easy...

I say D

Just had a new finding about using the mica washer!

I think (no experience), that the filter should be firmly tightened to the middle section when using the washer. I am aware, this is the contrary of what I usually advice but with the washer, it is important to stop the wood moving on the mica.
I found this when the washer I am testing started to lose layers of mica. They sort of wandered to the outside of the middle part and stuck on the wood.
Initially I thought that this is bad news for the mica washer but there is a simple solution; just tighten the filter, make it one piece with the middle part and there is no friction on the mica. Let's see if that helps.


vapman

biohacker said:

How does the vapman (or lotus) leave the sup3 in the dust regarding efficiency, ease of maintenance, longevity, and durability?

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Regarding efficiency, the Sup3 is designed to be used with water tools so it is self explanatory. Except if you think you don't loose anything in the water and glass walls...
About durability, well, an analog design will usually outlast a digital one if both are made right, or so I know so far, except if I am missing something, there are always exceptions.
About ease of maintenance, maybe I shouldn't have mentioned it, shall we say flexibility? There are a lot more areas in those etcs you know, portables vs desktops, you get the point.

The Sup3 can be used with a short tube or whip, so it takes water out of the equation, but I see your point on the portability. The digital thermometer is very inexpensive and easy to replace, but again point taken. I just cruised through this thread to see what other torch vapes were like in comparison to my sup3 experience, since the sup3 has retired the lotus and vapcap for someone that I respect. thanks for taking the time NF

biohacker said:

The Sup3 can be used with a short tube or whip, so it takes water out of the equation, but I see your point on the portability. The digital thermometer is very inexpensive and easy to replace, but again point taken. I just cruised through this thread to see what other torch vapes were like in comparison to my sup3 experience, since the sup3 has retired the lotus and vapcap for someone that I respect. thanks for taking the time NF

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Maybe Daisy can stand up to the Sup? But Daisy no more, at least no more support so doesn't worth it in my book.

The Vapman on the other hand is like most users say. Special!!! I wouldn't compare it with anything so far, it's unique and go get it as soon as the honeymoon with Sup is over!

I've considered it, but it appears to be mainly conduction, which just isn't my thing. I don't need its stealth so the SVape3 has me covered.... the thermometer is a huge deal for me, it makes it fool proof!

biohacker said:

I've considered it, but it appears to be mainly conduction, which just isn't my thing. I don't need its stealth so the SVape3 has me covered.... the thermometer is a huge deal for me, it makes it fool proof!

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Vapmans pure conduction, however its probably the most unique and strait up best tasting conduction unit out there.

Sup3 cannot replace the vapman because the vapman offers many things the sup3 does not. They are incomparable, you're friend replacing the lotus with the sup3 makes sense.. They are both convection units and ones easier to use, but for someone with a taste for the vapman there doesn't seem to be any similar units to swap it for. I too am sure the VM is more efficienct with herbs however, its proven to be more efficient than all my other convection units (nano and lily included). Multiple puffs off .02-.03, its an absolute miser, but it won't outproduce the supreme for huge clouds no matter what due to design. Your draw cools the pan, so the lack of heat retention (given this is a conduction vape I consider that a good thing, can one hit and set down without it being on) and .04-5 max sized bowl doesn't really lend itself to massssssssive hits, but its still no slouch.

All that said I'm still extremely interested in the supreme. Wish I was around for v1 and 2, the aesthetics of the earlier models makes v3 look horrendous, however its function seems to help with its looks .

TL;DR it won't replace a sup3 but a sup3 won't replace it!!

After a week of normal Vapman use I took off the screen to check on the mica washer. Unfortunately I got ahead of myself and started removing it with out a photo. I took the screen off while it was still warm, it was a bit stuck. Next I placed the screen onto of the pan and gave it heat. Seen some vapor or smoke so stopped and reached for my tweezers to hold the hot screen and another pair to great the washer out.

This is what I ended up with after the removal...





Nothing was stuck to the screen or middle section. It just broke while trying to get the tweezers under and lift it off.

This was probably completely user error. I did not sand my middle section down because I lacked sand paper. This is something I plan to pick up soon and give a nice clean up job on the middle section.

Here is what my middle section looks like...



Fresh washer in the screen..



I can definitely say the washer did not leave any funky taste or any noticeable difference to the vapor. It did help out locking the middle section into the springs with a nice tight hold. I really like how much stable it feels with the washer spacing adding just that little bit difference.



My Vapman turned one on November 22, I was trying to share some pictures of wearing on the under section and the over all Vapman. The above pictures show the middle section.

Here is the bottom but keep in mind I did attempt a poor imitation of @Mojo amazing two tone charring.





I have noticed two small cracks but nothing major, I believe my Vapman performs better than ever and is still my daily driver. I don't know if this would be the perfect vape for everyone but its pretty close to the perfect vape for me!!

Just wanted to say thanks Rene just received my washers and tomorrow I'm giving her a tune up.

I've got my washers too THANKS René
It's time to test for science

Couple more: http://imgur.com/a/VVKJO

Vapman with Scratched Glass Works dropdown and Ed's TnT WonG

SSVUN~YAH said:

Vapman with Scratched Glass Works dropdown and Ed's TnT WonG

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Savage!

We demand video, really I just want to know the order of things and how it all would go down lol

nondarb said:

Savage!

We demand video, really I just want to know the order of things and how it all would go down lol

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Lol, just heat, draw, pull the VM, inhale and repeat.

SSVUN~YAH said:

Lol, just heat, draw, pull the VM, inhale and repeat.

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I know how to do the vapman part! I'm curious about your threesome!!!

Heat the vapman first, pop it on while you torch lotus with the log chugging along the whole time?? You have me claisen curious, and giggling at the potential trickiness such a setup could entail. I've also got the 278, pretty much my go to in j-hook mode.

We need more arms, and more adapters. A Neal Peart setup...

biohacker said:

I've considered it, but it appears to be mainly conduction, which just isn't my thing. I don't need its stealth so the SVape3 has me covered.... the thermometer is a huge deal for me, it makes it fool proof!

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Welcome to the vapman thread @biohacker.

By reading your posts, it seems to me like you already love your SV3.

What I don't understand is what are you looking for then? For someone else to tell you that you made the right choice?

Sadly, the only thing you could do, if you really wanted to compare them is to buy a vapman and test it against your SV3.

I've tested the vapman against quite a few other vaporizers (torch and battery), and made my own decision to use the vapman as my daily driver - mostly because of its efficiency, beautifully elegant design and awesome, personal ritual.

If you're not willing to spend some money to test your theories with real world practical experiments, then why not keep using your SV3 and be happy?

No one should tell you what is best for you, in vaping nor any other area of your life.

Make your own decision and honor it, simply because it's your decision - not because others agree with you or back you up on it...

You should love what you love because you love it - Period.

Peace brother.

PS: convection is over rated, in my opinion...

Thanks for the welcome, especially on your 420th post! Not really sure what to make of your post, I don't even own a SV3, so I think there is some misunderstanding. I had the pleasure of trying the SV3 as I said in my first post in this thread, and came to this thread since I was checking out all torch vapes, and specifically see how they compared to my experience with the SV3. I do have a SV3 on its way, so yes I will be testing it myself and putting it through more of a ringer than the 1 hour I spent with the SV3 last sunday.

Not willing money to test it for myself? You obviously don't know how bad my VAS is! What you are saying makes little sense to me, it's like don't bother reading the posts or reviews, and just buy it and make up my own mind? I value other people's opinions too much to just potentially throw my hard earned money in the trash.

I do agree that pure convection is overrated, but so is pure conduction IMO.

I guess i'll keep any other questions about comparisons to other vapes in a separate thread, or on a different forum. Thanks again for the welcome.

Hmm, I am thinking (uh oh) .. Wouldn't it be cool if Vapman made a soft sound based on inhalation speed? I'm thinking something similar to the asthma inhaler I've seen that whistles when you're sucking in too fast. I'm trying to figure out a way to get DH to slow down a little bit, since I'm getting the crazy clouds and great flavour, and he's missing out - although still quite medicated. Same torch method, since I do that for him, only difference is the draw speed. Now, before I'm labeled as a control freak, he's busy playing the Wii, and can't possibly be expected to juggle multiple controllers AND Vapman AND the torch lighter!!

@SSVUN~YAH Nice set up mate. I would love to see a video of it in action too.

@Choughed Try getting your man to hit the vapman empty and in silence. You can hear the air moving through the unit. It gets louder the faster you draw.

@biohacker, even if you have the SV3... the Lotus is much more confortable to use dry or outside somewhere, as well as the Vapman or the Vapcap. plus, there is no massive heat mass that needs to cool before you can properly handle or put away the unit.

IMO, even if the SV3 is the superior extractor, it does not make it the last torch vaporizer you should buy.

Thanks for your message!! This is the kind of info i'm looking for! This is why I have been popping in ALL the torch vape threads, just to see what they were like compared to my SV3 experience. I was greatly opposed to torch vapes in the past, and the SV3 has made me seriously consider ALL torch powered vapes!

Still considering the vapman, just have alot more reading to do.... don't like seeing pics of burnt charred wood, and the conduction aspect (albeit it's special) has me concerned about operator error, etc. Same with the lotus, I need something that is completely foolproof like the SV3, but in a stealthier form factor. It probably doesn't exist yet though, although SV is coming out with a portable electric so that will be something.

I understand how sacred fans of the vapman think it is, so i'll just keep on reading. Although, just because it has a cult following (like the e-nano) doesn't mean it's for everyone.

biohacker said:

Thanks for your message!! This is the kind of info i'm looking for! This is why I have been popping in ALL the torch vape threads, just to see what they were like compared to my SV3 experience. I was greatly opposed to torch vapes in the past, and the SV3 has made me seriously consider ALL torch powered vapes!

Still considering the vapman, just have alot more reading to do.... don't like seeing pics of burnt charred wood, and the conduction aspect (albeit it's special) has me concerned about operator error, etc. Same with the lotus, I need something that is completely foolproof like the SV3, but in a stealthier form factor. It probably doesn't exist yet though, although SV is coming out with a portable electric so that will be something.

I understand how sacred fans of the vapman think it is, so i'll just keep on reading. Although, just because it has a cult following (like the e-nano) doesn't mean it's for everyone.

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Have u considered the vapcap?

biohacker said:

Thanks for your message!! This is the kind of info i'm looking for! This is why I have been popping in ALL the torch vape threads, just to see what they were like compared to my SV3 experience. I was greatly opposed to torch vapes in the past, and the SV3 has made me seriously consider ALL torch powered vapes!

Still considering the vapman, just have alot more reading to do.... don't like seeing pics of burnt charred wood, and the conduction aspect (albeit it's special) has me concerned about operator error, etc. Same with the lotus, I need something that is completely foolproof like the SV3, but in a stealthier form factor. It probably doesn't exist yet though, although SV is coming out with a portable electric so that will be something.

I understand how sacred fans of the vapman think it is, so i'll just keep on reading. Although, just because it has a cult following (like the e-nano) doesn't mean it's for everyone.

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The fact that the temp limit is managed by the user and not the vaporizer, even though there are indicators of temperature in any torch vape, makes it impossible to be foolproof.

Still, if you combust 1% of the times, and 99% of that 1% is due to user error aka distraction, i think they are a pretty safe bet.
I can't remember the last time i combusted with the Lotus, and it's always with the bong and a full bowl.

Right now i'd consider other variables to choose among the options available and what your trade-offs are considering your prefered variables, and choose the best complement for your SV3.

Since the Vaponic i began to look at torch vapes in a different light, and for me to consider an electric vaporizer is much more difficult because i just don't get the same experience and versatility.
Not to mention autonomy, that becomes a non issue in any torch portable vape. I can get all my friends wasted all night long, anywhere.

VapourHaze said:

Have u considered the vapcap?

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I have and should be able to test one out soon, however a trusted forum member (who owns the Lotus and SV3) wasn't very impressed with it. Mentioned whispy hits and slight combustion.... could be operator error due to first use though.

@vorrange thanks again, you're right - all my thorns in my side have been due to batteries with portables, and I still can't find a desktop unit that I want to keep for more than a few weeks! Hoping that discovering torch vapes is like discovering vaping!

biohacker said:

I have and should be able to test one out soon, however a trusted forum member (who owns the Lotus and SV3) wasn't very impressed with it. Mentioned whispy hits and slight combustion.... could be operator error due to first use though.

@vorrange thanks again, you're right - all my thorns in my side have been due to batteries with portables, and I still can't find a desktop unit that I want to keep for more than a few weeks! Hoping that discovering torch vapes is like discovering vaping!

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Precisely! The main issue in electric vaporizers either portable or plug-in, is the heating element, keep temperature in the bowl despite draw duration, and that is why most portables either have convection capabilities and last less than 1h usually, or they have conduction capabilities and the flavour goes out fast and you usually have to finish the load you started or remove it from the bow if you leave it mid session.

Torch vaporizers have a very powerfull heating source, that if used correctly and if the vaporizer itself is well made allows for quick powerfull extractions, in small devices, with great flavour and minimal losses, with the added bonus of an autonomy of 5-6 days or more depending on your usage.
And many of them compete with the top shelf expensive vaporizers in many of the important aspects in vaporizers like flavour, efficiency, extraction, quickness, etc.
The ONLY drawback IMO is the possibility of combustion. And that is a very slim one in a few of the torch vaporizers mentioned, and the Vapman of course.

Despite our differences in how we choose vaporizers, i think the majority wants the best experience for the least money, hence our concern with efficiency for example, and the best high.
And many have found torch vaporizers to do just that, in a fraction of the price of an expensive vaporizer.
I think you'll be pleased with any one you choose.