Aromed 4.0

luchiano said:

They should market the new holders as "recreational use". If I'm correct, I take it you saw clouds much faster then the original one?

From what I was told a few years ago, when you raise the screen closer to the bulb, the temperature raises, but it's because of airflow not because its closer to the screen. When you do a mod like the flour bowl, fill the bowl or aromed's short version, there is less air going through the chamber. Essentially, you're controlling the amount of air going through the herb.

You're lucky, because when I asked about the short holders, franc thought I was another company trying to get info on them. I had to let him know I was just a customer who saw them on a german site. It was funny to me.

@Aimless Ryan You should tell your story, and see if they give some samples as well.

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So they replied to me now and he stated that they will still provide the regular herb holder since it's for use with a teaspoon of material but they are releasing the Recreational Herb Holders

Nice coining of the name Lucci.

He said keep an eye on the aromed website for the recreational holder!

I got a very similar response from them this morning...

TboneToker said:

So they replied to me now and he stated that they will still provide the regular herb holder since it's for use with a teaspoon of material but they are releasing the Recreational Herb Holders

Nice coining of the name Lucci.

He said keep an eye on the aromed website for the recreational holder!

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That's good to know. I wonder why they never replied to me, though?

Anyway, what's up with the pics?

I have not read anything in this thread since my last post, even though I know I have been mentioned a couple times. It's not to be a dick or a sore loser. Rather, it's more like protecting myself, as I am very fragile; probably in ways I don't even realize. I don't have anything against anyone who has contributed to this thread; I was just frustrated because I keep learning new things and trying to share them, and other people keep shooting me down and telling everyone else my prospective explanations are not the actual explanations. Even though they probably are.

If I had been wrong and people wanted to correct me, I wouldn't have a problem. But that's not what happened and I'm probably not wrong. Yet people have corrected me anyway, by providing information that I'm pretty sure is total bullshit.

I have a problem with that. But it's not personal.

What I have learned from my riser mod is not a preferential thing. That is, my modification does not make the Aromed better for me; it simply makes the Aromed better; more effective and more efficient. And it takes nothing away (except the vapor swirls, which contribute absolutely nothing and are probably a perfect example of inefficiency).

There is a lot of common "knowledge" about vaping that seems to have originated with people who vape, rather than through scientific research. Which is fine, as long as it is done somewhat scientifically. But it seems to me a lot of this "common knowledge" is based on faith. Or at least there seems to be a lot of data that has been poorly interpreted by people who vape, then widely distributed as fact, even though it's not. Like which cannabinoids and whatnot are released by vaping at specific temperatures.

Vaping at a specific temperature is not the same thing as heating your material to that same temperature and inhaling the vapor it produces. Baking a pizza in a 500° chamber is not the same thing as heating a pizza to 500°. Not even close. Similarly, baking herbs in a 400° chamber is not the same thing as heating herbs to 400°. Not even close.

If you manage to heat a pizza to 500°, it will turn out completely black. It will probably blacken hours before the internal temperature of the pizza reaches 500°. And remember, this is inside a very large baking chamber; not outside the baking chamber, like the herbs in an Aromed.

When you bake a pizza for 10 minutes at 500°, there probably isn't a single part of the pizza that ever reaches more than 200°. When we talk about heating our herbs to 400°, that does not happen by surrounding herbs with 400° air. Unless maybe that 400° air comes from a huge reservoir of 400° air. Which it doesn't.

As far as I know, every time I have accidentally combusted, it has happened via conduction. That is, I don't think hot air has ever caused my herbs to combust.

Is there any scientific research on either cannabis or vaping? I mean, this stuff has always been illegal to essentially everyone alive right now, including most scientists and prospective researchers. So how could a reliable scientific body of knowledge exist at this moment in time?

If a scientific body of knowledge still does not exist, then how do so many people possess so much so-called scientific knowledge about cannabis vaporization?

I have seen many instances of people explaining vape-related coughing by saying it happens because there is hot vapor in the lungs. (In fact, that's the only explanation I have ever read or heard. Which I can only assume means that's what most people believe.) But it's obviously total bullshit. Which should be clear to anyone, without devoting much effort to understanding why.

If vapor is not irritatingly hot in your mouth, then it can't be irritatingly hot in your lungs. If you turn on your Aromed to 456°F, and use it without herbs for an hour or two nonstop, you will not cough from the even-hotter air entering your lungs.

I've done it. Myth busted.

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Here's how I now look at the different parts of my Aromed. Basically, I compare it to an oven. Because that's exactly what it is, with one difference: Your objective is to bake something outside the oven instead of inside it.

Cylindrical glass lightbulb cover = Oven (or hot air reservoir)

Lightbulb = Burner/broiler

Area of herb holder below the oven = Baking chamber

The Aromed's oven is only large enough to heat a very small baking chamber for a very short time; a space significantly smaller than the Aromed's baking chamber. In an unmodified Aromed, the distance between the oven and the herbs (screen) is huge. A small amount of hot air cannot remain at a constant temperature, or even close, when it has to travel that far.

Using the Aromed unmodified is like trying to use your oven to bake something that's not in the oven.

If your oven was 10 times bigger and your home was only big enough to fit both you and the oven, your oven when opened would probably heat you similarly to how vaporizers heat herbs, even though you wouldn't be inside the oven.

Big oven. Small herb chamber. Not like an unmodified Aromed.

And the burner needs to be near the bottom of the oven, not the very top. Remember, broiling something on the bottom rack of an oven doesn't work, because the heat has too far to travel, in the direction opposite of its nature. And this is in an oven that is much more powerful than a halogen lightbulb.

My dough mod has worked wonderfully because I moved my herbs significantly closer to the heat source and shrunk the size of my herb chamber considerably. Consequently, now I don't have the equivalent of a large room m to heat up with a standard oven; rather, I only have a tiny space to heat up. When I put my herbs in that very small space, they vaporize very easily, and they don't combust.

If you want to use a reservoir to drown someone just downstream from a dam, you need a large reservoir. If the dam is only a foot high, there's a good chance your drowning victim won't be drowned. But if the dam is 500 feet high, your victim has no chance. The water acts just like heat in a vaporizer (minus gravity). So if you want to drown your herbs in 400° heat, which is what we want to do, you need a large reservoir of heat. Which naturally goes up, not down.

The Aromed does not have a large reservoir of heat; it has a small reservoir of heat. I'm curious to find out what would happen if I was somehow able to make my oven/reservoir about 10 times bigger and use my herb holder unmodified, instead of using a riser. I think this would make a huge difference. Yet I realize what I think is going on in my head is merely theory. (Actually it's not even theory; it's a hypothesis.)

If you try to heat the interior of two ovens by creating a seal between the two baking chambers and only turning on one of the ovens, you're going to wait a very long time, if not forever, for your new double sized baking chamber to reach temperature. Conversely, if you were able to block off half of the baking chamber of one oven, while completely removing the second oven, the new, smaller baking chamber would reach temperature very quickly.

This isn't something I know from either vaping or studying thermodynamics, as I have never devoted a minute of my life to consciously studying thermodynamics. (Hadn't really ever thought about what 'thermodynamics' means until recently.) Rather, this is something I know from being alive for 4+ decades and paying attention to things I see every day, that never change. And I'm sure my two-decade-long obsession with understanding pizza has helped me considerably with vaping.

One thing I would like to do is enlarge the oven (or the glass cylinder that surrounds the Aromed's lightbulb), but I can't do that. To try it, I'd have to create a totally new vape. Which I am now considering. Because the Aromed is a rough draft. Its design has not been fully developed yet, and it obviously never will be.

I am pretty sure Research & Experience sacrificed function for form in at least a few different ways. For example, this thing is not a medical device; rather, it's made to look like a medical device from some long gone era. If I'm right, I also think they underestimated how much heat is lost by striving for form over function.

I have made my Aromed infinitely better simply by arranging small amounts of flour and water in a pre-planned pattern. I shouldn't have to do that. I have never studied thermodynamics or anything about electricity, but I think I understand what's going on with these things (vaporizers), in a way most other people don't.

I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I am horribly and ridiculously wrong. But I feel like I may have a better understanding of the ultimate objective of vaporizing cannabis than most people, specifically from having baked and obsessively analyzed thousands of pizzas over the last two decades.

Baking pizza is basically the same thing as vaporizing cannabis, and I know I understand a lot more about baking pizza than just about anyone. I'm not bragging. I'm just sharing information, which I have also documented very thoroughly (volumes of pictures and rhetoric) on the internet.

Just improving the aspects I mentioned in this post is not enough to make the Aromed marketable to people like myself, who are horribly broken and need a reliable vaporizer that doesn't constantly break; true medical users. I think I may know how to accomplish that as well, but I'm going to keep it to myself for now.

I had heard of this "doughriser" but I thought you just named it that because of being so into pizza....did not literally realize it was a baked piece of dough learn something new everyday.

I don't have an Aromed, and I don't know pizza (other than NY/NJ has the BEST! ) but you're essentially using it as a spacer to just raise the screen up higher (what I've gathered from last few pages)? Don't know the diameter of the tube, but it looks essentially like the "Crucible" for the Herbalaire....don't know if anyone has ever tried it.

Just was perusing the thread, as I had read somewhere recently that the Aromed should be considered a "high quality" option, just is often neglected because of form factor/appearance. Maybe the Plenty thread? I don't recall exactly.

A few things, as I am always trying to learn:

Aimless Ryan said:

When you bake a pizza for 10 minutes at 500°, there probably isn't a single part of the pizza that ever reaches more than 200°. When we talk about heating our herbs to 400°, that does not happen by surrounding herbs with 400° air. Unless maybe that 400° air comes from a huge reservoir of 400° air. Which it doesn't.

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Just kind of confused by this in general, what are you referring too?

- In a conduction vape, lets say the PAX, I'm packing up a literal oven. The material is....room temp. I turn it on, the oven preheats to the set 400. THC and other cannabinoids are released I believe the highest is at like 370. Doesn't the material ramp up in temp while being "baked" in the oven, and release THC and other compounds over time? When it's "kicked" and not producing vapor, the material is yeah, not 400 F but it was exposed to that temperature and thus release the compounds right? Also kind of would explain why conduction typically needs packed tight, to transfer that heat across the entire load. I guess if I were to relate this to pizza it would be having it directly on the rack, because there isn't an oven that has the dough touching every side of it.

- In a convection vape, I always assume the heater is ticked up a bit more. Maybe this a wrong assumption. So for instance, in my EVO if it was set to 400, the heater would be 410. When I pull the hot air up, my inhaling is cooling it, so 400 degree air passes over the herbs. The herbs are never reaching 400, but I'm stil hitting it at 400 enough times to fully extract.

Just in general was kind of confused by that statement.

Aimless Ryan said:

I have seen many instances of people explaining vape-related coughing by saying it happens because there is hot vapor in the lungs. (In fact, that's the only explanation I have ever read or heard. Which I can only assume means that's what most people believe.) But it's obviously total bullshit. Which should be clear to anyone, without devoting much effort to understanding why.

If vapor is not irritatingly hot in your mouth, then it can't be irritatingly hot in your lungs. If you turn on your Aromed to 456°F, and use it without herbs for an hour or two nonstop, you will not cough from the even-hotter air entering your lungs.

I've done it. Myth busted.

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I think your experiment, or at least the rationale is faulty. Hot air does not equal hot compounds/vapor. I think when I hit my Mighty at 330....I do think I'm coughing less and its easier on my throat than when it's at 400.....I agree I can hit my Mighty empty at 400 for a long time with no discernible ill affects.

Also, in general, if we want to get hyper specific, vapor isn't hot on my mouth, nor does it really affect my lungs. But it does tend to tickle my throat more, and promote a cough. Maybe that is because of "more compounds" being released at the higher temp, but it certainly makes me cough more. The heat may not be the direct cause of the cough (the increased potency of vapor is..), but it is certainly a factor (vapor is more potent because temp is higher)

Just throwing it out there, seems like a cool device and I had never heard of it. Not gonna pick one up, but always cool to read about tech

Newbie over here so be gentle;

on the mods made by Aimless Ryan, I only have one thought to add.
It deals with temp at the heat source vs temp at the bowl vs temp of the herb.
IMO, moving the bowl closer to the heat source may or may not improve the overall performance, depending on IF the unit was DESIGNED to TAKE THE FACTORY DISTANCE INTO THE ACCOUNT.
For example, if the engineers know the air temp drops 20 degrees at the stock basket placement, then they bump the heat up + 20 degrees to factor this in.

My knowledge of the Aromed engineers is that they are top notch so probably factored in the distance.
My example of their engineers which blew me away-----
They talk about how many sq cm of area are in the vapor path (from where herb is vaporized to the end of the mouthpiece) VS other vapes. They indicate the more area after herb becomes vapor, the more area for condensation/ loss of goodies. I have never heard of another vape manuf referencing this. They are top notch engineers IMO

I'm convinced there's something wrong with your aromed aimless Ryan. Your dough mod is good but I still believe you should send it to r&e I strongly feel like your aromed is faulty

lol, this has no point what so ever.... use google and read about words you hear here and educate yourself! i cant cope with this reluctant behavior.

Aimless Ryan said:

Is there any scientific research on either cannabis or vaping? I mean, this stuff has always been illegal to essentially everyone alive right now, including most scientists and prospective researchers. So how could a reliable scientific body of knowledge exist at this moment in time?

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unfortunately this only exposes your ignorance to the scientific research that has been going on around the world for decades. Many countries have government or University funded departments which have been researching cannabis and even vaporizing . you continually dismiss anyones information that does not coincide with your own experiences. I'm not picking a fight. Rather I'm recommending you read the information which is heavily researched by a community of well respected educated doctors and scientists. that's not to say you should not keep doing what works for you as there are many variables to consider, but contradicting information from some of the worlds leading researchers is arrogant and possibly limiting for you.

I don't know if anyone is still interested in this, but if so, I have a little to say about the evolution of my dough riser mod.



First, as you can see above, I now have a second broken herb holder (which probably brings my working Aromed rating down to 2 stars out of a possible 5 and has motivated me to purchase a factory second SSV, which is currently en route from Colorado). Strangely, this broken herb holder might actually be more useful now than it was before it broke, since my other (cracked) herb holder is still usable. Because now that I have an herb holder with no stem, I feel comfortable baking risers in my oven (at 170°F) inside the broken herb holder. Which takes hours.

You may notice the different size and shape of the holes on the two risers in my picture. That actually seems to make a difference, with the slightly larger hole apparently being better.



So here's how I do it now, and how you can do it, too:

1. Heat your oven to 170°F. If you have a baking stone, place your stone on the bottom rack.
2. Mix a small amount of dough (flour and water) and massage it until it's smooth and not sticky. (If it's too wet/sticky, add a little bit of flour at a time. If it's too dry, try adding water, and/or start over.)
3. Fill the broken herb holder with solid dough, to the height you want it. (I put in as much as will fit while the lightbulb is inserted.)
4. Pierce the dough in the middle, from the top down, with a full size Phillips head screwdriver. Try to keep the screwdriver as close to the center as possible.
5. Once the screwdriver pokes through the other end, use the screwdriver to widen the hole a little.
6. Place a bowl-shaped screen on top of the dough and press it only until it is securely in place.
7. Push the screen into place by inserting the lightbulb cover/oven into the herb holder.
8. Place herb holder upside down on stone in your 170°F oven and leave it there for a few hours.
9. Once the riser has baked for long enough that it can be removed from the herb holder, remove it from the herb holder and put it back in the oven, upside down. Leave it in there for a while.
10. After the riser has fully set and hardened, use a smaller Phillips head screwdriver to enlarge the center hole a little, as the hole will have shrunk while baking. Once you have enlarged the entire length of the hole/tunnel, do the same thing with a normal-sized Phillips head screwdriver.

Obviously I feel like this method is better than just putting a thin layer of dough around the outside of the herb holder, which is already infinitely better than using my Aromed unmodified. I may explain why, but probably not in this post.

You may wonder, if I hate this vape so much, then why do I keep using it?

I don't hate it. It just isn't made to do what it's supposed to do. When I use this modification, my Aromed does what it's supposed to do, and probably then some. However, it's too much bullshit to worry about. The people who produce this product should have thought about this stuff at least a decade before I did.

Aimless Ryan said:

I don't know if anyone is still interested in this, but if so, I have a little to say about the evolution of my dough riser mod.

First, as you can see above, I now have a second broken herb holder (which probably brings my working Aromed rating down to 2 stars out of a possible 5 and has motivated me to purchase a factory second SSV, which is currently en route from Colorado). Strangely, this broken herb holder might actually be more useful now than it was before it broke, since my other (cracked) herb holder is still usable. Because now that I have an herb holder with no stem, I feel comfortable baking risers in my oven (at 170°F) inside the broken herb holder. Which takes hours.

You may notice the different size and shape of the holes on the two risers in my picture. That actually seems to make a difference, with the slightly larger hole apparently being better.

So here's how I do it now, and how you can do it, too:

1. Heat your oven to 170°F. If you have a baking stone, place your stone on the bottom rack.
2. Mix a small amount of dough (flour and water) and massage it until it's smooth and not sticky. (If it's too wet/sticky, add a little bit of flour at a time. If it's too dry, try adding water, and/or start over.)
3. Fill the broken herb holder with solid dough, to the height you want it. (I put in as much as will fit while the lightbulb is inserted.)
4. Pierce the dough in the middle, from the top down, with a full size Phillips head screwdriver. Try to keep the screwdriver as close to the center as possible.
5. Once the screwdriver pokes through the other end, use the screwdriver to widen the hole a little.
6. Place a bowl-shaped screen on top of the dough and press it only until it is securely in place.
7. Push the screen into place by inserting the lightbulb cover/oven into the herb holder.
8. Place herb holder upside down on stone in your 170°F oven and leave it there for a few hours.
9. Once the riser has baked for long enough that it can be removed from the herb holder, remove it from the herb holder and put it back in the oven, upside down. Leave it in there for a while.
10. After the riser has fully set and hardened, use a smaller Phillips head screwdriver to enlarge the center hole a little, as the hole will have shrunk while baking. Once you have enlarged the entire length of the hole/tunnel, do the same thing with a normal-sized Phillips head screwdriver.

Obviously I feel like this method is better than just putting a thin layer of dough around the outside of the herb holder, which is already infinitely better than using my Aromed unmodified. I may explain why, but probably not in this post.

You may wonder, if I hate this vape so much, then why do I keep using it?

I don't hate it. It just isn't made to do what it's supposed to do. When I use this modification, my Aromed does what it's supposed to do, and probably then some. However, it's too much bullshit to worry about. The people who produce this product should have thought about this stuff at least a decade before I did.

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Dough riser is lookkng fancy!


How large is your herb holder from the top to the area where the screen normally sits, it should be no more than 2.5 inches.

Check this video out to avoid breaking another herb holder
https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&sour...tCcGkrsNNq2gC60SQ&sig2=S2vAlXW-K0gHCDkTBXpySg
P.s the aromed website now sells a recreational herb holder for smaller amounts of herb I think you would find it useful @Aimless Ryan

Thanks.

I'm not sure I even own a ruler, but I'm pretty sure my herb holders aren't any deeper than that. When fully inserted in an unmodified herb holder, the bottom of my oven cylinder appears to be very close to an inch from the screen; probably a few hairs more than an inch.

One thing I think I wanted to say in my previous post is that I have been doing this riser mod for long enough that I can tell very clearly that the air temperature changes considerably over a very small vertical distance within the herb holder (a millimeter or less).

When I bake a riser by leaving it in the herb holder while using the Aromed, the riser very gradually becomes a millimeter or two shorter as the water in the dough evaporates. When I first begin to use a new full-size riser, I get a nice full hit on the first draw (with maybe 0.02 g of herbs). But later in the day, when the riser is a millimeter or less shorter, and contains considerably less water, I have to work hard to get vapor from the same size load.

Aimless Ryan said:

Thanks.

I'm not sure I even own a ruler, but I'm pretty sure my herb holders aren't any deeper than that. When fully inserted in an unmodified herb holder, the bottom of my oven cylinder appears to be very close to an inch from the screen; probably a few hairs more than an inch.

One thing I think I wanted to say in my previous post is that I have been doing this riser mod for long enough that I can tell very clearly that the air temperature changes considerably over a very small vertical distance within the herb holder (a millimeter or less).

When I bake a riser by leaving it in the herb holder while using the Aromed, the riser very gradually becomes a millimeter or two shorter as the water in the dough evaporates. When I first begin to use a new full-size riser, I get a nice full hit on the first draw (with maybe 0.02 g of herbs). But later in the day, when the riser is a millimeter or less shorter, and contains considerably less water, I have to work hard to get vapor from the same size load.

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Okay, damn every time I read about the aromed I want to use it!! This vape is the most fun for me personally!

I find that filling the bubbler with about 45% full with water works great! more water than I used to use helps the herbs cook better.

PS I feel like your herb holder is a tiny bit larger than my normal ones Ryan, this would indeed affect the performance greatly!

If what you said about water was in response to what I said about water, you should be aware that I was talking about the water in the dough, not the water in the filter.

TboneToker said:

Check this video out to avoid breaking another herb holder
https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&sour...tCcGkrsNNq2gC60SQ&sig2=S2vAlXW-K0gHCDkTBXpySg

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I watched that, and I'm pretty sure I had seen it before. I'm not sure what the video shows that could help me stop breaking herb holders, but I am sure that a better design or using a different vape could help me stop breaking herb holders. The reason why my now-stemless herb holder broke is because I don't have much feeling in my hands and because you can't use the Aromed without handling and relocating the glassware a lot. This one broke because I dropped it onto a tile floor as I turned to my left to dump ABV. I don't know how I could've avoided that, other than by setting up my vape station in a different way or in a less convenient location, which I have since done.

I don't drop my herb holder every time I handle it, or really much at all. However, I do still worry every time I handle it that I'll drop it. Which is unbelievably stressful. (I already experience way more stress than any human being should ever have to deal with.) Best apparent solution: Buy a vape that doesn't do that. (My new SSV is probably now within 20 miles of here.)

I accidentally noticed part of a recent post questioning what I have learned by using these risers. It's this simple. If you (doubters) are able to raise a bowl-shaped screen to a millimeter below the cylinder/oven and vape a 0.02 load at maximum temp without combusting more than 5% of the time, my Aromed is no more defective than yours. As far as I know, no one has revealed that they do this and accidentally combust much or at all.

Here's what that means: All evidence at this point supports what I have been saying, and no evidence supports the opposite of what I've been saying. That is all that matters.

That's not necessarily because I am any smarter than anyone else. Rather, it's because I only do what the evidence tells me to do. My opinion means absolutely nothing. Just like everyone else's opinion.

Until you at least try what has worked amazingly for me for like two months now, you can't say I'm wrong about what I have observed and experienced repeatedly. I am not the only one who doesn't believe your 100% unscientific explanation. If you want to continue saying I'm wrong, you have to try what I've done and accidentally combust more than 5% of your loads. If you do that, then you will have provided sufficient evidence for me to consider more seriously the likelihood that my problem is with my Aromed, rather than the Aromed's design.

Believe it or not, I would actually love for someone to prove me wrong. If I'm wrong, you can prove me wrong with almost no effort. But no one has done it yet.

So do it. Just do it.

Instead of confusing potentially thousands of people by continuing to share your opinion as if it is fact, maybe instead just consider easily proving that your opinion is more than opinion. I can't do it for you because I don't have your Aromed handy. If I could, I would.

Aimless Ryan said:

I watched that, and I'm pretty sure I had seen it before. I'm not sure what the video shows that could help me stop breaking herb holders, but I am sure that a better design or using a different vape could help me stop breaking herb holders. The reason why my now-stemless herb holder broke is because I don't have much feeling in my hands and because you can't use the Aromed without handling and relocating the glassware a lot. This one broke because I dropped it onto a tile floor as I turned to my left to dump ABV. I don't know how I could've avoided that, other than by setting up my vape station in a different way or in a less convenient location, which I have since done.

I don't drop my herb holder every time I handle it, or really much at all. However, I do still worry every time I handle it that I'll drop it. Which is unbelievably stressful. (I already experience way more stress than any human being should ever have to deal with.) Best apparent solution: Buy a vape that doesn't do that. (My new SSV is probably now within 20 miles of here.)

I accidentally noticed part of a recent post questioning what I have learned by using these risers. It's this simple. If you (doubters) are able to raise a bowl-shaped screen to a millimeter below the cylinder/oven and vape a 0.02 load at maximum temp without combusting more than 5% of the time, my Aromed is no more defective than yours. As far as I know, no one has revealed that they do this and accidentally combust much or at all.

Here's what that means: All evidence at this point supports what I have been saying, and no evidence supports the opposite of what I've been saying. That is all that matters.

That's not necessarily because I am any smarter than anyone else. Rather, it's because I only do what the evidence tells me to do. My opinion means absolutely nothing. Just like everyone else's opinion.

Until you at least try what has worked amazingly for me for like two months now, you can't say I'm wrong about what I have observed and experienced repeatedly. I am not the only one who doesn't believe your 100% unscientific explanation. If you want to continue saying I'm wrong, you have to try what I've done and accidentally combust more than 5% of your loads. If you do that, then you will have provided sufficient evidence for me to consider more seriously the likelihood that my problem is with my Aromed, rather than the Aromed's design.

Believe it or not, I would actually love for someone to prove me wrong. If I'm wrong, you can prove me wrong with almost no effort. But no one has done it yet.

So do it. Just do it.

Instead of confusing potentially thousands of people by continuing to share your opinion as if it is fact, maybe instead just consider easily proving that your opinion is more than opinion. I can't do it for you because I don't have your Aromed handy. If I could, I would.

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My weed combusts if I try to imitate your riser mod at 456 degrees Ryan. Heck I don't even want to go near 420~ degrees when it's that close to the light.

The SSV will do you well but it's still quite a hands on vape. I think the herbalizer or volcano would do you well Ryan, since you seem to have multiple kinds of nerve damage. These two vapes are made with ergonomics in mind and they're so easy to clean and use

Aimless ryan why do all of your posts read as though you are trying to start an argument simply because we don't agree or have different experiences than you ? Many of of have been vaping for much longer with a tremendous amount of success. It seems like in a very short amount of time you have discovered all the answers and only want to correct us from nothing but decades of misinformation. This is a place to share information and experiences, you don't seem receptive to criticism or advice.
let's use your favorite, pizza, as an example. I can think of few thing that are more argued about ( in a friendly way ) than who makes the best pizza. is thin crust better than Sicilian ? really it's just preference. there are hundreds of vapes and hundreds of variables to consider . please share your findings but let us decide if we agree or not instead of insisting that we prove you wrong. Have you noticed the " Best of " threads on FC ? not much agreement there... We all like things a certain way.

Thank you. That helps immensely. But can you show how you've done it, to at least give me some evidence that you've done it the same way as me but get different results? Because I'm not going to take your word for it, just as I wouldn't want anyone to take my word for something like this. Just as science wouldn't take anyone's word for anything.

Can anyone else make this claim and show how they do it, too?

Aimless Ryan said:

I watched that, and I'm pretty sure I had seen it before. I'm not sure what the video shows that could help me stop breaking herb holders, but I am sure that a better design or using a different vape could help me stop breaking herb holders. The reason why my now-stemless herb holder broke is because I don't have much feeling in my hands and because you can't use the Aromed without handling and relocating the glassware a lot. This one broke because I dropped it onto a tile floor as I turned to my left to dump ABV. I don't know how I could've avoided that, other than by setting up my vape station in a different way or in a less convenient location, which I have since done.

I don't drop my herb holder every time I handle it, or really much at all. However, I do still worry every time I handle it that I'll drop it. Which is unbelievably stressful. (I already experience way more stress than any human being should ever have to deal with.) Best apparent solution: Buy a vape that doesn't do that. (My new SSV is probably now within 20 miles of here.)

I accidentally noticed part of a recent post questioning what I have learned by using these risers. It's this simple. If you (doubters) are able to raise a bowl-shaped screen to a millimeter below the cylinder/oven and vape a 0.02 load at maximum temp without combusting more than 5% of the time, my Aromed is no more defective than yours. As far as I know, no one has revealed that they do this and accidentally combust much or at all.

Here's what that means: All evidence at this point supports what I have been saying, and no evidence supports the opposite of what I've been saying. That is all that matters.

That's not necessarily because I am any smarter than anyone else. Rather, it's because I only do what the evidence tells me to do. My opinion means absolutely nothing. Just like everyone else's opinion.

Until you at least try what has worked amazingly for me for like two months now, you can't say I'm wrong about what I have observed and experienced repeatedly. I am not the only one who doesn't believe your 100% unscientific explanation. If you want to continue saying I'm wrong, you have to try what I've done and accidentally combust more than 5% of your loads. If you do that, then you will have provided sufficient evidence for me to consider more seriously the likelihood that my problem is with my Aromed, rather than the Aromed's design.

Believe it or not, I would actually love for someone to prove me wrong. If I'm wrong, you can prove me wrong with almost no effort. But no one has done it yet.

So do it. Just do it.

Instead of confusing potentially thousands of people by continuing to share your opinion as if it is fact, maybe instead just consider easily proving that your opinion is more than opinion. I can't do it for you because I don't have your Aromed handy. If I could, I would.

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My weed combusts if I try to imitate yo

Aimless Ryan said:

Thank you. That helps immensely. But can you show how you've done it, to at least give me some evidence that you've done it the same way as me but get different results? Because I'm not going to take your word for it, just as I wouldn't want anyone to take my word for something like this. Just as science wouldn't take anyone's word for anything.

Can anyone else make this claim and show how they do it, too?

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So my herb holder is a half inch shorter than the normal ones you can buy them and aromed website known as recreational herb holders

With this It gets dark brown at 390 degrees, anything hotter gets darker and darker, I haven't went too high because 8 don't want combustion, maybe it won't combust but how dark do you need your weed coming out Ryan? Mine is dark brown at 390 degrees is yours dark brown at 456? I'm just curious want to figure this all out

Edit am I the only one who has tried using the aromed like the ssv, by holding the bubbler and angling the aromed light towards me a bit,this gives me more control/hands on use if I do so desire as I can twirl the bowl or bring it further. And of course it's easier for me to remove it from the light to clear the bubbler of its vapor

My ABV gets dark brown when I use risers. When I use the Aromed unmodified, not even close (unless I use a huge load).

Your trick has never occurred to me. I might give it a try. But I might not, because that's just begging for me to break something else.

What you just said suggests that I have a defective unit. But if I do, I don't think it's an anomaly, because someone who lurks has contacted me privately a couple times to let me know the riser trick has impacted his Aromed use just as profoundly as it has impacted mine, and I get the feeling his machine must perform similarly to mine. I also think I remember a couple other people saying similar things in this thread after making/trying dough risers.

Thankfully I have been able to make my Aromed work phenomenally for the last couple months. But tomorrow I will have an SSV, and I'm glad.

EDIT: When you "try to imitate [me]," do you use fairly tiny loads, or do you load it up to the cylinder? With my latest risers, I don't feel comfortable using any more than 0.1 g per load. Any more than that would surely flirt with combustion.

I assume no one has tried to see if one of these fits?



The screen is adjustable, and you could also put it in oriented either way. It appears to be doing the same thing as this bread mod no? Provided that it would fit. You're using it as a spacer right?

I don't have an Aromed. I can't experiment with it. Seems that in terms of "form function" it's doing the exact same thing. Reckon it may fit based on the pictures I'm seeing, obviously wouldn't fill up the nub but I don't see why this wouldn't work (provided it fits).

This isn't an attack on the bread mod, but I do have an Herbalaire. If I ever got an Aromed down the line, I'm not going to bake bread to use the vape effectively. And I'm sure there are various pieces and parts you could use as a spacer if that's what's ultimately being sought.

I do still have qualms about the hot air/hot vapor on your throat "experiment" if you want to call it that. But the guy who did the experiment tends to post and then say he may or may not read the responses because he doesn't want attacked......seems like a way to just isolate yourself from constructive criticism.....neither here nor there but I have a hard time believing the scientific findings of someone who says that vapor at 400 is no less harsh than vapor at 365 because breathing air at 400 is no less irritating than breathing air at 365...explained my reasoning in above post.

(Also simulated his "experiment" by breathing air at 400 and 365 and experiencing no real change in my throat tickle......but noticed more harsh/potency at 400 than 365 when vaping bud........doesn't this experiment now "validate" my claim?) Unless I misinterpreted, but it doesn't read that way.

Just .02

À hotter température will be harsher if you have bud because you'll be getting more actives.

I know that the aromed can easily be defective because the heat sensor is very easily moved. I'm only still replying here because I do believe your aromed isnt working perfect Ryan.

It should become dark brown at 390 easily, and this is with 0.1g or less.

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(Also simulated his "experiment" by breathing air at 400 and 365 and experiencing no real change in my throat tickle......but noticed more harsh/potency at 400 than 365 when vaping bud........doesn't this experiment now "validate" my claim?) Unless I misinterpreted, but it doesn't read that way.

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If you're talking about what I think you're talking about, that's not even close to what I did. I simply used my Aromed how I would normally use it, but without herbs. I did it for a long time (partly to bake risers), which eventually caused the air to be considerably warmer than normal vapor temperature, yet I experienced no coughing or any detectable irritation. Because coughing and irritation aren't caused by hot air; they are caused by putting irritants (vapor/smoke) in your throat and lungs.

Our lungs can handle very warm/hot air just fine, partly because inhaled hot air cools long before it gets to the lungs. Warm air (or cold air) full of irritants makes us cough.

I don't know what you were trying to figure out, but it sounds like you were trying to figure out if vapor vaped at high temperature is harsher than vapor vaped at lower temperature. Which I think pretty much everyone would agree is true.

I own an herbalaire and have tried using the crucible as a spacer. I have also used and recommend stainless steel washers. stacking the washers allows you to vary the height of the spacer, choose the diameter of the hole, as well as form a conical shape to the screen by pushing it into the hole. This all seemed to help keep the herb centered under the bulb and create a slight vortex for the air path. That being said I don't use this technique as my results with my Aromed have always been fantastic. My herbs are evenly cooked even at my usual 370 degree setting. I actually found that raising the screen closer to the bulb resulted in less even ABV and worse taste. I equated this to cooking in the middle shelf a convection oven vs the top shelf close to the broiler. For those who may have defective / malfunctioning units any of the mentioned spacer modification may help. good luck to all

VapeKnight said:

I own an herbalaire and have tried using the crucible as a spacer. I have also used and recommend stainless steel washers. stacking the washers allows you to vary the height of the spacer, choose the diameter of the hole, as well as form a conical shape to the screen by pushing it into the hole. This all seemed to help keep the herb centered under the bulb and create a slight vortex for the air path. That being said I don't use this technique as my results with my Aromed have always been fantastic. My herbs are evenly cooked even at my usual 370 degree setting. I actually found that raising the screen closer to the bulb resulted in less even ABV and worse taste. I equated this to cooking in the middle shelf a convection oven vs the top shelf close to the broiler. For those who may have defective / malfunctioning units any of the mentioned spacer modification may help. good luck to all

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Everything said here i can confirm as I have also used washers etc and it does work but I prefer my aromed as is.

Also I'd definitely check out the aromed site for the recreational herb holder if you really want an easier solution (no needing to clean washers etc) good luck family!