Swamp Water / Golden Dragon a use for your abv/avb

one more question.

I got quite a lot of kief in my grinder. Should i add to my tincture for added power? Heat it or what? How would i go about heating it?

thanks

I believe it would need to be heated. I never tried the kief in the abv but I did put some in some green dragon and I was not impressed with it. Frankly I felt it was a waist of kief but I was in a fuck it moment.

I also should add that green dragon I made was weaker than some abv I made so I am not sure I did it properly. I did it exactly as the video in the beginning shows. I am also waiting on a report back from it by someone else but they have not tested it due to being too ill to be able to be clear enough to test it.

I would not recommend eating the leftover alcohol-soaked herbs, as that plant matter could be tough to digest.

However, tieing up the coffee filter full of spent/alcohol-soaked herbs and throwing into a pot of freshly boiled water to make tea could be a nice option (as long as you don't mind losing most of the alcohol to evaporation).

Hope this helps.

well i let it sit for 2 days..

very very green in color.

I put a coffee filter over the top of the jar and fastened it down with a rubber band. Is this an okay method to try to evaporate off most of the alcohal?

BTW, i just checked it..

theres green droplets above the alcohal depositing on the glass? I swirled it and got it to go back down into the alcohol. Is this part of the evaporation? Should i not worry about it?

Yesterday:
Measured out all my ABV which was only 1.47 grams. I was anxious to try this swamp water thing so I covered my abv with Everclear 151 - strongest we can get in California.
Shook it off and on throughout the evening and put it in my box at night.
Left it in there until 6:50pm tonight.
Strained it and threw away the duff.
I ended up with a little less than 1/2oz of swamp water.


6:55pm Drank half of that or 1/4 oz

7:00 Began to feel something. I ate relatively light about 3 hours ago, so basically, an empty stomach.

Will report back later by editing this very post.

It's hard to say if I will get really high on what I took or if I get much higher than I am now. Right now I am at a "pleasantly high" level, like I can function perfectly well in all respects but I definitely have a buzz that is nice.

ADDED NEXT DAY:
So I can't really tell you completely what happened...
Because I do not know...

About an hour into it I still just felt mildly high, very nice, but not what I would call baked, not even close.

So I took a couple hits of some really strong sativa - OG Headband., using my MZ. This is very strong even for medical marijuana. It's the strongest stuff I have, out of about 20 strains I have in my box. The only thing I have that is stronger is some condense black hash given to me by an mmj grower. I don't usually smoke this OG because strong sativas tend to make me too high and sometimes anxious or nervous. I guess the reason why I did was because I felt the swamp water wasn't going to get me as high as I'd hoped, and I was now in the mood to get higher than usual.

So the bottom line is that around 9pm or 2 hours after taking the swamp water and after having had 2-3 hits of the OG, I was higher than I've been in ages, like so high I could barely function.

I am pretty sure the OG did not cause this, at least not in its entirety. So I have to assume that what happened was that after an hour, when I thought the swamp water wasn't going to hit me any harder, and I smoked the OG, the truth is probably that the swamp water DID kick in much more heavily at the same time as I was also hitting the OG in my MZ.

But the bottom line is that I screwed up the whole experiment by vaping the OG so now I don't know what happened.

All I know for SURE is that 3-4-5 hits (total for the evening) of OG on TOP of the 1/4 oz of swamp water put me into a state of couch-lock. No, it was beyond couch-lock, it just made me plain STUPID.

I had to go pick up my wife from work at 11pm. She only works 8 blocks away, luckily.

I got in the car to make the drive I always make, usually always somewhat high, no problem usually; and first I had trouble getting out of the parking garage (it requires some smooth maneuvering as we have a big car in a small car port and I have to turn the car around in there), and while driving down the street I felt like I was driving for the first time, like oncoming cars made me nervous! . (Note: I can drive well even when half drunk on alcohol, I never have any problems with driving!)

Then when I came back I got into a heavy conversation with my wife and I felt like I was tripping on mushrooms, you know, how faces look different and stuff like that, and you have trouble following the conversation at times... It was just crazy.

The question is: How much of this was caused by the swamp water and how much was caused by the OG sativa?

UPDATE: Monday, February 22, 2010
I vaped about 4-5 hits of that same OG sativa tonight and it did not get me that baked, as compared to the above incident with the swamp water. Not even close. So therefore it is certain that the 1/4oz of swamp water I made from my abv was what propelled me into couch-lock over-dose the other night! (above)

just arrived home from work and was surprised at the evaporation that occured while i was gone. If you remember i heated 1.5 grams of fresh herbs.. and only had about .5 gram of abv.. so i made myself some dragon. Which ended up very very green to say the least.

Poured about half of the tincture into a crown royale cup. poured it in my mouth. swished it around like i was using listerine. (although this is a much much much more harsh effect then mouthwash) I then swallowed it. and chased it down with a few sips of gatorade.

Needless to say I already feel the effects.. and its kind of surprising. Deffinitely much stronger then the 5 grams of abv i used the other night, and this is just beginning.

I'm sure it will get intense. It seems to be creeping slowly, i can feel changes. I have a pleasant pressure under my eyes already.. so I am about to hold on for the ride. Will post the rest of my experience in the morning.

BTW I'm about at the 15 min marker after this post. Seems to be a faster onset with the everclear then it was with the 151. But then again i just poured the tincture in my mouth. Burnt the hell outta my mouth. But now i have a pleasant herbal taste in my mouth.

Look forward to hearing your experience moeonthemoon. It can really be quite fun.

Just bought a bottle of everclear finally. Can't wait to try this after reading everybody's experiences.

You likely absorbed some under your tongue. I did that originally for a short period of time but burned my tongue to much.

I am actually making some golden dragon for the first time tonight. I have been making stem/IO cleaning tincture for a while- nice clear, clean yellow potent stuff... so wanted to try this since my abv jar was full.

I did not weight it out, just ground my abv by rubbing it thru a fine strainer so it was almost powdered. Had about 1/3C. Put it in mason jar, covered with twice as much by volume of Wasmund's Rye Spirit - 124 proof unaged "white rye".. basically legal moonshine. Not very tasty at all, but was an experimental buy at the booze shop so figured why not put it to some use..

I'm shaking it once in a while. It's a nice dark tea color when it settles.. smells like rye whisky and toast and a little weed. Not bad smell wise.. I will likely try this tomorrow.

I posted my update in my last thread, back about 5 posts.

One thing I wanted to add - I assume people would do this without my mentioning it, but just in case someone might not think clearly at the time ( ), When I strained the alcohol away from the duff, I then squeezed every last drop out of the duff by squeezing it between my thumb and forefinger. It was surprising how much alcohol was still trapped within the abv grounds.

So now when I get up to 1-2g's of ABV, I'm making swamp water!

But then, again, I might try a different thing. Isn't there a method for making canna-butter too, or is that only for fresh herb?

If I got as high as I seem to have gotten off my ABV, for sure it is a nice "bonus" to vaping.

Moe, on the butter I think the generic template is to use 4 times the amount of abv as you would use herb. So if you would normally use 1oz of herb, you need to use 4oz of abv for cooking.

I tried this and it did not come out very good but I realized after the fact I had cooked it too high. I recommend using a candy thermometer until you get experienced in making it as to not make the mistake I did.

I went with swamp water because of its simplicity and that little amounts can be effectively made.

Indigal, I look forward to hearing how it went for you. Thanks for sharing and thanks for everybody who post and help make this process better known. Hats off to the Vapor Bros video guy, whos green dragon video is in the first post, for making that video, otherwise im not sure I would have tried this.

indigal said:

I am actually making some golden dragon for the first time tonight. I have been making stem/IO cleaning tincture for a while- nice clear, clean yellow potent stuff... so wanted to try this since my abv jar was full.

I did not weight it out, just ground my abv by rubbing it thru a fine strainer so it was almost powdered. Had about 1/3C. Put it in mason jar, covered with twice as much by volume of Wasmund's Rye Spirit - 124 proof unaged "white rye".. basically legal moonshine. Not very tasty at all, but was an experimental buy at the booze shop so figured why not put it to some use..

I'm shaking it once in a while. It's a nice dark tea color when it settles.. smells like rye whisky and toast and a little weed. Not bad smell wise.. I will likely try this tomorrow.

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I just strained it with this - http://www.aerobie.com/Products/aeropress_story.htm
We have one for camping, no it does not make the best cup of coffee you've ever had.
It did however, despite my doubts, handle the powdered sludge perfectly and got every last drop w/o clogging the filter. The abv tincture was perfectly clear and has the color of dark tea. Taste is not great, but I am evap it now in a wide bowl to reduce it enough to fit in my 2oz dropper bottle.

Thanks, I added your link and quote to the first post. Thank you for your contribution.

indigal said:

indigal said:

I am actually making some golden dragon for the first time tonight. I have been making stem/IO cleaning tincture for a while- nice clear, clean yellow potent stuff... so wanted to try this since my abv jar was full.

I did not weight it out, just ground my abv by rubbing it thru a fine strainer so it was almost powdered. Had about 1/3C. Put it in mason jar, covered with twice as much by volume of Wasmund's Rye Spirit - 124 proof unaged "white rye".. basically legal moonshine. Not very tasty at all, but was an experimental buy at the booze shop so figured why not put it to some use..

I'm shaking it once in a while. It's a nice dark tea color when it settles.. smells like rye whisky and toast and a little weed. Not bad smell wise.. I will likely try this tomorrow.

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I just strained it with this - http://www.aerobie.com/Products/aeropress_story.htm
We have one for camping, no it does not make the best cup of coffee you've ever had.
It did however, despite my doubts, handle the powdered sludge perfectly and got every last drop w/o clogging the filter. The abv tincture was perfectly clear and has the color of dark tea. Taste is not great, but I am evap it now in a wide bowl to reduce it enough to fit in my 2oz dropper bottle.

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Yeah, I've used those for making coffee. They're called French Presses I think, and I don't care for the way they make coffee.

What I used for straining was a tea strainer. Some tea strainers have relatively big holes that would not work very well but I found one I had in a drawer with very tiny holes and it worked very well.

Next time I might use an ubleached (brown) coffee filter, just to see the difference, but the strainer I used worked very well.

You're right, Beez, this method is very simple and easy.

Has anyone figured out whether it matters much if you leave it for more than 12 hours before using or if shaking a lot vs. a little makes any difference? I only shook mine 5-6 times total, for a few seconds at a time, and left it soaking about 16-20 hours. Seems to have come out just fine, but I wonder if I could have made it stronger by doing something different. For one, I did not grind the abv, I just threw some Everclear 151 on top of it, as is. It does seem like grinding first might make it release more goodies to the alcohol.

MoeOnTheMoon said:

indigal said:

I just strained it with this - http://www.aerobie.com/Products/aeropress_story.htm
We have one for camping, no it does not make the best cup of coffee you've ever had.
It did however, despite my doubts, handle the powdered sludge perfectly and got every last drop w/o clogging the filter. The abv tincture was perfectly clear and has the color of dark tea. Taste is not great, but I am evap it now in a wide bowl to reduce it enough to fit in my 2oz dropper bottle.

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Yeah, I've used those for making coffee. They're called French Presses I think, and I don't care for the way they make coffee.

Has anyone figured out whether it matters much if you leave it for more than 12 hours before using or if shaking a lot vs. a little makes any difference? I only shook mine 5-6 times total, for a few seconds at a time, and left it soaking about 16-20 hours. Seems to have come out just fine, but I wonder if I could have made it stronger by doing something different. For one, I did not grind the abv, I just threw some Everclear 151 on top of it, as is. It does seem like grinding first might make it release more goodies to the alcohol.

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That Aeropress thing isn't really a french press, it's similar in function though. We use a french press as our daily coffee maker- to my tastes in coffee it makes a better pot than drip or perc. The Aero is kind of the ersatz version of a french press.. but it makes a great crystal clear golden dragon with zero wait time and no squeezing .

My thoughts on the time/grind question:
I think a couple three hours is more than plenty to dissolve the active resins from the abv as long as you are using high proof alcohol. If you can imagine how fast the alcohol cuts the stickies on your equipment, you are basically just removing it from the plant matter. Even less than 2 hours would likely work fine, with just a few shakes to agitate it around. I would always grind mine to a powder though, to get the most out of it. I've made quite a lot of green dragon in a crock pot of simmering water (material in open mason jar of booze, submerged the water bath) to activate the goodies and to extract it from the material. ABV is even easier as it's already active. My exp with the green dragon is the longer you simmer in alc - the more chloro and bitter flavors you end up dissolving into the end-product. I believe golden dragon may be similar, shorter times with a fine grind/powder then strain thru a coffee filter may be best. I see more experiments..

Okay, this stuff does not taste good, but it is strong. I rinsed out the mug & the funnel I used with some cola, and I'm feeling it already at 25 mins later. I need to do some test runs to figure the dosing, but I think I'm starting with maybe 5-10 drops..

edit- I did end up evaporating it down by 50% in a warm water bath- then bottled it.. strong stuff.

I have read where people say to not let it soak too long due to the breakdown of other aspects of the plant that you dont want. I do it for 30 minutes to a few hours. Shaking and pre grinding/crushing is good but if you do it too fine it is more difficult to strain as it clogs the filters and dramatically prolongs straining time.

Now that I'm out of my ABV and I'm a light user, I may not be back here for awhile...
I do plan to buy some shake at some point and make some green dragon, though!

Forgot to post the rest of my GD experience.

I don't remember lol.

I get a huge body high off these tinctures... like so much that i actually feel like im levitating off the ground.

Great cerebral high this time from the fresh herbs.

Overall great... next time i won't make green dragon though. Sort of feel it was a waste of 1.5 grams. But however, I will be sticking to using my ABV for gold dragon.

Hey Kush... Besides the ABV tincture you can make a really nice golden one from cleaning your Iolite parts I give away a lot of the swamp water type (the abv) but the golden stuff has a lot of condensed resin and is not so 'high range' as the swamp water.

Use an airtight glass jar, clean IO parts, save Everclear and re-use for cleaning until it's a beautiful golden color. Strain, evaporate down if you choose. It really packs a whollop! Vaping just keeps giving back to us!!

lo said:

Hey Kush... Besides the ABV tincture you can make a really nice golden one from cleaning your Iolite parts I give away a lot of the swamp water type (the abv) but the golden stuff has a lot of condensed resin and is not so 'high range' as the swamp water.

Use an airtight glass jar, clean IO parts, save Everclear and re-use for cleaning until it's a beautiful golden color. Strain, evaporate down if you choose. It really packs a whollop! Vaping just keeps giving back to us!!

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The golden cleaning fluid is still my fav, tastes & looks better. Swampwater tastes :/ icky. Does the job, but all considering, it will likely be give-aways for me too!

Kush Vapez said:

Forgot to post the rest of my GD experience.

I don't remember lol.

I get a huge body high off these tinctures... like so much that i actually feel like im levitating off the ground.

Great cerebral high this time from the fresh herbs.

Overall great... next time i won't make green dragon though. Sort of feel it was a waste of 1.5 grams. But however, I will be sticking to using my ABV for gold dragon.

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I think green dragon is a waste IF you use high quality bud to make it...
From what I have heard, it's a great way to use shake and sometimes you can get shake pretty cheap. I'm on the lookout for some good cheap shake and when I get it, the whole 1/2oz or whatever will go into green dragon liquid or some other kind of "vile foamy liquid" that will get me "way out there on that stuff". (quotes from "200 Motels" by Frank Zappa)

MoeOnTheMoon said:

Kush Vapez said:

Forgot to post the rest of my GD experience.

I don't remember lol.

I get a huge body high off these tinctures... like so much that i actually feel like im levitating off the ground.

Great cerebral high this time from the fresh herbs.

Overall great... next time i won't make green dragon though. Sort of feel it was a waste of 1.5 grams. But however, I will be sticking to using my ABV for gold dragon.

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I think green dragon is a waste IF you use high quality bud to make it...
From what I have heard, it's a great way to use shake and sometimes you can get shake pretty cheap. I'm on the lookout for some good cheap shake and when I get it, the whole 1/2oz or whatever will go into green dragon liquid or some other kind of "vile foamy liquid" that will get me "way out there on that stuff". (quotes from "200 Motels" by Frank Zappa)

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Moe,
It is a fantastic way to use shake & high quality trim... after being invited to a handful of trimming parties, I've discovered I really have too much cannabutter to use up, and cannacarmelsauce, and canna.. geeze, I think I may have some of those chocolates I made for Halloween still in the fridge.. but bottled green dragon lasts forever if cared for, can be evaped down to sticky resin goo, or just added to anything.

I need to make another recipe for my cooking thread..

indigal said:

...bottled green dragon lasts forever if cared for, can be evaped down to sticky resin goo, or just added to anything.

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So what's the best way to keep it? I was thinking, in a bottle or jar in the freezer? Or refri?

I decided not to take my 2nd dose today. May want to save it for a while...

I have mine in dark amber jars in the fridge, had some in the back of the liquor cabinet I found that was over a year old, same potency! So, I'm just keeping away from light & heat & that seems to work fine..

*edit- don't be surprised to see your clearish dragon go cloudy in the fridge. I've discovered that in the cold, the resin comes out of solution and you can see resin droplets suspended. Warmed, it goes clear again.. no harm.