The Arizer Air

CarolKing

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
@The High Cyde some folks wouldn't know the difference between a fake and the real unit. I'm sure that's what the company is counting on.

That's one of the things that I was impressed with FC it gives unfiltered information for the vaporizer enthusiast. Good info like identifying between a fake and a real unit. Folks being able to answer the important questions. I have been helped tremdously by fellow FCers here on the forum.
 
The High Cyde

The High Cyde

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To be honest, since I don't have the PIU unit and the eBay unit in my hand (and likely won't till Sunday) I have no idea on what to tel them to convince them that their unit is a counterfeit. I'm temped to tell them that the air holes are too big compared to the PIU model and the bottom cap looks different ever so slightly.
 
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bluenavey00

bluenavey00

Arizer Air Aficionado
The High Cyde said:
I'm trying to keep the amount of glass in my house down, and I want a small enough bubbler to take with me when I go out.
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I only have one bit of glass but I've got the D020 - http://www.dhgate.com/product/d020-...c-water/246522526.html#s1-4-1b;srp|1118402190

I find it to be quite a portable piece as I normally have a backpack on and it's a small size, but enough to get the using water experience. I just wrap it in a little bubble wrap then a put it in a plastic carrier bag to keep it all together. TBH if you don't have much in your bag you could just put it in there unwrapped and probably get away with it, but I like to be careful. I only drink water and always have a water bottle on me so if im not at a friends house I just put a bit in and shake it out best I can when done. And at the end of the day if you do smash it it's so cheap to replace.
 
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beiberhole69

beiberhole69

Sexual Maven
vapen00b said:
It think this is rather due to some slight diametric differences of the stems. We had this several times.. Some sit nice and snug, some too tight - only insertable with pre-heating, some don't fit at all (applies to some of the Solo stems no fitting in the Air)... I might be wrong though?
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Totally wrong... I appreciate the hypothesis though. It's nice to have someone actually consider the question as posed instead of jumping to the "FAKE!" conclusion. I realized it has to be ruled out... but when I say I'm 99+% certain it's real, I'm ready to move on with the premise that it's authentic.

Anyway, you're wrong for my case because you can tell the difference puffing on a unpacked stem (used the same stem on both units for consistency).


Right now my 2 working theories are:
A.) In washing/drying in rice/drying in oven, I clogged up my first unit and the airflow is more constricted. I remember shaking it and thinking there was a grain of rice stuck in it (left battery cap off) at one point. But TBH, I don't remember it hitting any differently... it was always a pretty thick suck.

B.) There's some variability from unit to unit. Perhaps this new unit was from a bad batch from the factory and that's how this seller is able to let them go so cheap. I have a batch and SN so I'm gonna check with Arizer on that.



ACTUALLY... after examining side by side... it looks like the airholes are slightly larger. Going to post pics, hold on.
 
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OF

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beiberhole69 said:
ACTUALLY... after examining side by side... it looks like the airholes are slightly larger. Going to post pics, hold on.
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You mean "slightly larger" like the one on the right below?
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Not only are they larger but the profile of the corner is different. There is a gentle radius on the left where the holes are drilled, as opposed to the one on the right with the larger holes which has a square corner.

The color is different as well. As are the seals. On the left are 3 ribs, on the right a broader smooth area of softer material.

The genuine one is on the left.

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CarolKing

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
The fake units had a different bottom with different wording and markings.
This is an authentic Arizer Air directly from the company. I bought this Nov. 2014.

 
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beiberhole69

beiberhole69

Sexual Maven
http://imgur.com/a/6plHX



Have a look. It's got the double rings... the bottom is identical on both sides to the known authentic. The battery is OEM.


2 noticeable differences: larger holes in oven, thicker oven cap.


If it's a knock off it's more of patent infringement than anything because it's spot on... and probably even better.


cap comparison:
http://imgur.com/a/Ph7Wz

CarolKing said:
The fake units had a different bottom with different wording and markings.
This is an authentic Arizer Air directly from the company. I bought this Nov. 2014.

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This is an older unit... the caps don't look like that anymore.
 
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Stevenski

Stevenski

Enter the Dragon
Took a flight interstate for work with my Air & some shatter I made & cotton wool. I ended up at a solid 8 last night in my hotel room & would have been a six the night before. I love the Air & see no reason to get a new portable.
 
beiberhole69

beiberhole69

Sexual Maven
After comparing the two from a few different angles, it looks to me like the actual holes in the oven are the same size... but punched in slightly different spots on the oven. The first one has the holes punched slightly further up the transition of the oven... so from an overhead POV there's less area of the hole visible and it's more obstructed by the glass when a stem is inserted. The airflow feels more restricted even with the stem pulled up because the air has to come in, then up... because of the hole being more on the side of the oven... where in the new one, more of the hole is on the bottom, or floor of the oven, so the air is more able to shoot straight up.

Another thing I noticed is that the screws from the first one, when you unscrew the top cap, are not totally flush with the cylinder. They are angled slightly up, like someone was lazy on the job that day... maybe they punched crappy holes too? This newer one has the screws flush and performs noticeably better in regards to draw resistance. Kind of like going from being asthmatic to breathing easy.
 
poonman

poonman

Well-Known Member
beiberhole69 said:
http://imgur.com/a/6plHX



Have a look. It's got the double rings... the bottom is identical on both sides to the known authentic. The battery is OEM.


2 noticeable differences: larger holes in oven, thicker oven cap.


If it's a knock off it's more of patent infringement than anything because it's spot on... and probably even better.


cap comparison:
http://imgur.com/a/Ph7Wz




This is an older unit... the caps don't look like that anymore.
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Have you tried contacting Arizer and have them verify if those
serial #'s are legit ? That's one way that may ease your concern .

Service@arizer.com
 
beiberhole69

beiberhole69

Sexual Maven
Bravesst said:
Seriously ladies and gentleman. Puffitup, $169, 2-day shipping, Randy's service, why go anyplace else?
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Because up to 30% off for the same thing is a heck of a deal.


I've read criticisms over on the vape subreddit about how FC sucks because everyone's a shill for PIU. I know that's not true, but there's not a lot of posting to dispel that notion either.

poonman said:
Have you tried contacting Arizer and have them verify if those
serial #'s are legit ? That's one way that may ease your concern .

Service@arizer.com
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I have, yes. No response as of yet.

I don't really have concern though, both units are authentic, just curiosity.
 
OF

OF

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beiberhole69 said:
I've read criticisms over on the vape subreddit about how FC sucks because everyone's a shill for PIU. I know that's not true, but there's not a lot of posting to dispel that notion either.


I don't really have concern though, both units are authentic, just curiosity.
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Then why bring up what guys on lesser Forums might say, especially if you "know it's not true"?

It could be genuine, after a fashion. There have been reports, from China, that 'makers' buy a few legit units, take lots of photos and make promises to 'test the market'. At least one of those related 'them' selling the samples after the photos.

Otherwise we're left with the mystery of how a product made in Canada can go through a dealer in NJ (who we assume wants to make a profit), get shipped to China and end up so cheap? If the guy in NJ was selling legit units for such a huge discount why aren't other sellers buying there rather than 'GotVape' (?) or some other.

Curiosity indeed.

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CarolKing

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
The only reason I recommend PIU is because they give good service and good prices pure and simple. I have no horse in the race. Other forums get sniping, that's why FC is my only board I interact with. I don't even do Facebook. I don't need the aggravation.
 
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beiberhole69

beiberhole69

Sexual Maven
OF said:
Then why bring up what guys on lesser Forums might say, especially if you "know it's not true"?

It could be genuine, after a fashion. There have been reports, from China, that 'makers' buy a few legit units, take lots of photos and make promises to 'test the market'. At least one of those related 'them' selling the samples after the photos.

Otherwise we're left with the mystery of how a product made in Canada can go through a dealer in NJ (who we assume wants to make a profit), get shipped to China and end up so cheap? If the guy in NJ was selling legit units for such a huge discount why aren't other sellers buying there rather than 'GotVape' (?) or some other.

Curiosity indeed.

OF
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I'm not clear. Are you suggesting I got an authentic unit from someone who bought it to take pictures of it with the intent of reproducing it, and then sold it back to me at a loss?
I can think of a lot more likely scenarios than that.

Not sure where you're getting NJ from either.


And I mention what was said on a different... or as you say, "lesser" form, despite not knowing it's not true because I can see where they got that perception.
 
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beiberhole69

beiberhole69

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Spocks_Katra said:
exactly, places like ebay, youre playing russian roulette for fakes, when you could get the real deal for like $10 more, Id say that $10 is worth the peace of mind knowing it is authentic
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JFC... Russian Roulette!?!?!?! Don't be a drama queen. That's hardly the risk (I bought a fake off eBay and was refunded 100% including shipping and return shipping, cost me literally nothing but the time to print a pack slip and put it out for the carrier)... and we're talking more like a savings of $55. Significant enough for me to roll the dice.


And Planetvape.ca looks like it's a better deal with the exchange rate and free battery anyway
 
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Spocks_Katra

Spocks_Katra

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beiberhole69 said:
JFC... Russian Roulette!?!?!?! Don't be a drama queen. That's hardly the risk (I bought a fake off eBay and was refunded 100% including shipping and return shipping, cost me literally nothing but the time to print a pack slip and put it out for the carrier)... and we're talking more like a savings of $55. Significant enough for me to roll the dice.


And Planetvape.ca looks like it's a better deal with the exchange rate and free battery anyway
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....alright didnt know stating a fact was being a drama queen. if youre willing to take the risk thats your own prerogative. Im simply stating that buying from an authorized dealer is smarter in the long run than continually taking chances and having to deal with the burden of the return process if you get a fake, it seems like youve bought at least one fake unit, and had to waste time dealing with returning it, I think a lot of people including myself would rather spend the extra money for the peace of mind that the unit is 100% authentic
 
beiberhole69

beiberhole69

Sexual Maven
Nothing you stated (aside from the price at PIU) was fact though and was all hyperbole. The savings are far more than $10 and the risk is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar less than a 1 and 6th chance of dying... LOL!!! And then in this most recent post you exaggerate the "burden" of the return process.

You're right though, a lot of people probably would rather spend the extra $40 or $50... and I'm sure there's also a lot of people who would rather hunt for the best deal possible. And we can provide as accurate info as possible to help them make the best decision possible for themselves.
 
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Spocks_Katra

Spocks_Katra

Well-Known Member
beiberhole69 said:
Nothing you stated (aside from the price at PIU) was fact though and was all hyperbole. The savings are far more than $10 and the risk is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar less than a 1 and 6th chance of dying... LOL!!! And then in this most recent post you exaggerate the "burden" of the return process.

You're right though, a lot of people probably would rather spend the extra $40 or $50... and I'm sure there's also a lot of people who would rather hunt for the best deal possible. And we can provide as accurate info as possible to help them make the best decision possible for themselves.
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I bought mine for $135 off aroma tek when they were a bit cheaper and its an authorized vendor, they also handle warranties for US customers, so if youre saying the savings from ebay and puffitup are ~$55 that would mean I paid about $20 more than what youre stating you saw on ebay. thats worth it to me.

and I think you took the russian roulette analogy a bit to literally, less than 1/6 chance of dying? It just means youre taking a risk man.

like I said its youre own prerogative, have a nice weekend


Just finished a solo bent stem in my air, feeling nice and medicated who else is using their air today :sherlock:
 
OF

OF

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beiberhole69 said:
I'm not clear. Are you suggesting I got an authentic unit from someone who bought it to take pictures of it with the intent of reproducing it, and then sold it back to me at a loss?
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I'm saying that's a possibility. It's known to happen, it's been reported by a guy 'in the business' in China.

I think it's grand if you can save money and get a genuine one for less than normal. It happens, I got my first ESV that way (a dealer was dumping stock at a loss). It was not new it turned out, FWIW, but a return. Better still if it's covered by warranty.

The thing I'm having trouble understanding is how it can be normal commerce with those prices and yet all the dealers here are too stupid to buy from the guy in NJ directly? Shipping and customs costs money. Vapes made in China on the Black/gray market there, but not products made a hemisphere away?

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Stevenski

Stevenski

Enter the Dragon
WakeAndVape said:
Has anyone tried this???
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What in the fuckity fuck? I'm all eyes on this since I usually just drop em in my Iso jar overnight but that Rosin looks amazing.

If anyone can find a genuine product on the cheap more power to you but balance out how many hours you look for the bargain with the savings you have generated.

If I was @beiberhole69 I would be looking at how much time I spend engaged in the back & forth with the vendor, packing the goods, driving to the post office, printing the label & sending it back. That would be at least 1-2 hours time. Is the hourly saving worth the hourly rate you should have for your time?
 
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