Jack Sprat
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Considering that they have the Apple mentally I'd assume that it's going to be on the high side price wise.
The Firefly 2 vaporizer
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Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Yes, there are six counting "Concentrates" (Low, Med-Low, Med, Med-High, High). I'm not sure what the temp ranges are for each....they were being tweaked up till the last minute. (I assume 500 is concentrates.)
Haha yeah 500 for concentrates, so if 420 is the high setting, then it does seem like low must now be 340 making 360 med-low and 380 medium. Love that it seems like they seem to have incorporated one of my own suggestions!
So question about the mouthpiece screen, I never had a Scooby snack issue in the FF1, with a more open channel maybe it's more of an issue here? Though grind obviously is a big factor (old FF actually had most just stick to the channels in the lid I suppose lol), was wondering how it does if you remove the screen completey? Otherwise how often and how tedious is it to clean? It does looks nice and robust which i like, and not a fine mesh that would clog easily, but does it affect performance when dirtier?
Also wonder if whatever specs are caught there stay green, and just get coated with oils? Could probably just revape em too
@Robob the Instagram photos i posted here yesterday mentioned 50 watts of power, that's like the original and also like the Zion, both top the GH max wattage of 45 (which is 30w avg)
Robob
Veteran Vaporist
Most of the "premium" market vapes easily start at 299 these days with the exception of the GH but I assume once production is full swing it will jump up some or do bundling of some sort.
$299 would still be cheaper than all the S&B units and have instant on-demand vapor instead of waiting for warmup
$299 would still be cheaper than all the S&B units and have instant on-demand vapor instead of waiting for warmup
mitchgo61
I go where the thrills are
I have no info whatsoever on price point, but my personal feeling is that anyone who thinks it'll be cheaper than FF1's 269 is kidding themselves.
So question about the mouthpiece screen, I never had a Scooby snack issue in the FF1, with a more open channel maybe it's more of an issue here? Though grind obviously is a big factor (old FF actually had most just stick to the channels in the lid I suppose lol), was wondering how it does if you remove the screen completey? Otherwise how often and how tedious is it to clean? It does looks nice and robust which i like, and not a fine mesh that would clog easily, but does it affect performance when dirtier?
Also wonder if whatever specs are caught there stay green, and just get coated with oils? Could probably just revape em too
The little screen is removable. I haven't taken it out...looks like it might be tricky to re-insert, though I'm told it's not that bad. I'm sure it'll work fine without the screen.
But this sucker catches a lot of stuff. Most of it looks brownish...it's the finer particles that occur late in a bowl. I find it fairly clogged with stuff after only two bowls. (However, it doesn't seem to impact the performance...I can't tell it's clogged from the draw, I only know by removing it and looking at it.) It's easy to clean...you can brush it out very easily, and submerse it in ISO if it gets really bad.
smutman
SmutmanMDCXX
Oh I know they are gonna charge +$299 so I'll just wait til it's at VaporNation (got a shitload of points saved up for a huge discount on something) and get it at a decent price
KeroZen
Chronic vapaholic
From the picture posted by @Shit Snacks earlier above, they say the FF2 is 50W. On par with the top dogs and about what you need to get serious convection hits. But peak power output doesn't tell the whole story, the heat exchange capacity is more important. For instance the FlowerMate8 has one of the most powerful heaters around with its 3S battery, for a portable device that is. But the exchange capacity is limited by the ceramic bowl as it's a conduction design, and in the end cloud production is not shabby but clearly not huge.
You can also have plenty of power but poor insulation, and you end up wasting many watts transfering heat to your device aluminium body shell for instance. Or if there is a large heatsink inside etc. Any energy that is not heating air (or the bowl for conduction) is basically lost. Not saying that it's the case here of course, they clearly know what they are doing.
@mitchgo61 : sorry if you said it already, but may I ask what material is the new mouthpiece made off? If it's not metal, does it have a taste when you lick it? (don't look at me this way, I lick my mouthpiece if I want to!
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HD Springer
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Sorry Kero I was just looked at very funny as I did a spit take with my cup o coffee. I didn't see that lick thing coming at all. Hahaha.
HellsWindStaff
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I came here to see if a PP has been established, this thing looks sick. I very improperly maintained my original FF, was my first vape back into vaping. I had the 750s and basically burned it out, got a 770 but by that point I was kind of done on the FF and had other stuff.
If these 770s and FF2 have a decent battery capacity, and I can take a few hits intermittently and have it hold up throughout the day. That would be killer. I'm often looking for something that I can take a hit or two at the bar or out and about. Lots of my butane vapes work, but they are not the most discrete with torches and such. Mighty is no good with this.
The original FF for me personally, was also no good for this. By the time I was taking it out, I really was only ever able to get a bowl or two per charge. It was a nice home portable but I didn't few it as truly portable with the battery dying so quick.
I sold it with the 770, and got a good deal for it, but I do miss it and wish I would have kept it cleaner. It was a right proper pain to clean when I sold it, and still wasn't 100%. I did let it gunk up though.
But this thing, looks pretty sick. If I can take a step outside, take 2 strong hits in under a minute, and then get back in to wherever I'm at, that will be awesome
Keeping a close eye on this.As far as PP, I'd have to question the $ at anything above $299, but if/when I have the money I would certainly buy at that price or lower and feel good about it.
mitchgo61
I go where the thrills are
@mitchgo61 : sorry if you said it already, but may I ask what material is the new mouthpiece made off? If it's not metal, does it have a taste when you lick it? (don't look at me this way, I lick my mouthpiece if I want to!
I was told it's made of a heat-resistant variety of the material Nalgene uses for their bottles. I'm not sure of the exact substance. It has no discernible taste at all, either on the resulting vapor, or directly in normal use. (To be clear, I don't consider licking to be normal use, so you're on your own.
)The original FF for me personally, was also no good for this. By the time I was taking it out, I really was only ever able to get a bowl or two per charge. It was a nice home portable but I didn't few it as truly portable with the battery dying so quick.
I sold it with the 770, and got a good deal for it, but I do miss it and wish I would have kept it cleaner. It was a right proper pain to clean when I sold it, and still wasn't 100%. I did let it gunk up though.
But this thing, looks pretty sick. If I can take a step outside, take 2 strong hits in under a minute, and then get back in to wherever I'm at, that will be awesome
As I've mentioned a few times, this prototype has a battery alarm bug so my results are inconsistent. But it appears that under normal use you should get at least 80 large hits per cycle, like 3-4 large bowls. (In this instance "normal use" can include licking the mouthpiece if you like.
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Robob
Veteran Vaporist
Ive killed 1 750 battery and have another that is only good for 1-1.5 bowls before done.
The two 770s I have also vary as one will last a considerable time longer than the other, and both were purchased at same time.
So who knows hopefully they have found a better supplier of consistent batteries. They did great work with FF and I know they wouldn't release another iteration without considerable improvements.
The two 770s I have also vary as one will last a considerable time longer than the other, and both were purchased at same time.
So who knows hopefully they have found a better supplier of consistent batteries. They did great work with FF and I know they wouldn't release another iteration without considerable improvements.
RelaxedNow
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Do you have a Firefly? If so, do you have 770's? I've been reasonably satisfied with my FF since I replaced my 750's (Well, I was, except it seems to be on permanent loan to my daughter.) I'll be quite satisfied if I get the results @mitchgo61 has experienced.
Mr. Gweilo 420
Dude
I'm very keen as well. Been watching closely. I really love what we have read and seen so far. I feel $299 - $329 would be a fair price range.
I also think the app is a good thing. Honestly, for me with the Crafty I dont even use the app very often.
I also think the app is a good thing. Honestly, for me with the Crafty I dont even use the app very often.
Archaicrevival
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Technology gets cheaper as innovations are made. I bet it was cheaper for them to make FF2 than FF1.
"There is an approximately 50% deflation rate for all information technology. That is why mobile phones were only affordable by the wealthy 15 years ago and now are dramatically better yet very inexpensive, so much so that there are approximately six billion cell phones in the world and about a billion smart phones.
Technology starts out affordable only by the rich at a point where it does not work very well. By the time a technology is perfected it is almost free. Even physical devices will become almost free with the advent of 3D printing.
— Ray Kurzweil"
"There is an approximately 50% deflation rate for all information technology. That is why mobile phones were only affordable by the wealthy 15 years ago and now are dramatically better yet very inexpensive, so much so that there are approximately six billion cell phones in the world and about a billion smart phones.
Technology starts out affordable only by the rich at a point where it does not work very well. By the time a technology is perfected it is almost free. Even physical devices will become almost free with the advent of 3D printing.
— Ray Kurzweil"
Is that seal made of silicone?You mean with the lid? This gives you a good idea of how simplified the lid is....again, not the final version but close apparently. You can see how it's really just one smooth surface inside of the seal. Another major improvement. So much easier to clean. (Bonus points if you can guess the strain.
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mitchgo61
I go where the thrills are
Yep, medical grade, like FF1.
Archaicrevival
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That's an ad hominem. The fact remains, the math is there to prove this(50% deflation of information technology), that's why you can get your genome sequenced for almost 1000$ 10 years ago it was 250,000$. That's why the FF2 should be cheaper for the consumer (because it is cheaper for the manufacturer) but because of the huge mark up the consumer is paying much more for the device than what its worth.I wouldn't dare citing that good old delusional Kurzweil, but that's another debate that does not belong here!
studmuffin
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Hmmmmm. In my humble estimation, your seemingly adroit juxtaposition of the monetary contraction of genome sequencing with the anticipated corresponding drop in price of
Firefly 2.0 is rife with fundamental flaws, i.e., the Firefly company has neither had the time, nor the selling/distribution quantity of units and accessories, to recoup the extravagant R & D expenditures they undoubtably have made. Duration and scale, methinks.
Firefly 2.0 is rife with fundamental flaws, i.e., the Firefly company has neither had the time, nor the selling/distribution quantity of units and accessories, to recoup the extravagant R & D expenditures they undoubtably have made. Duration and scale, methinks.
mitchgo61
I go where the thrills are
Anyone know where manufacturing/assembly takes place? Also, Canadians should prepare themselves for a $400 price tag
Mostly China....not sure if any assembly is done here in the US (I kinda doubt it, but don't know for sure) but I know the key FF folks spend lots of time in China overseeing aspects of the manufacturing and testing process.
Economies of scale and technology do tend to drive prices down. However, given that this is a new device, with different tolerances, and maybe not even being manufactured by the same folks in the same process, there is literally no way to know if creating the FF2 is any "cheaper" than the FF1 was. (And if this logic is leading you to hope for a cheaper price than FF1, again, you might be setting yourself up for disappointment.)
I don't think that, without knowing all the numbers involved, it's correct (or fair) to assume an equally- or higher-priced FF2 equates to higher margins for the company. (For their sake I hope it does, but guessing at those margins is just that, a guess.)
Hmmmmm. In my humble estimation, your seemingly adroit juxtaposition of the monetary contraction of genome sequencing with the anticipated corresponding drop in price of
Firefly 2.0 is rife with fundamental flaws, i.e., the Firefly company has neither had the time, nor the selling/distribution quantity of units and accessories, to recoup the extravagant R & D expenditures they undoubtably have made. Duration and scale, methinks.
Exactly. They are a company presumably playing the long game...the margins of any one product have to be taken into account with their entire history, not just one product release.
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Draughn101
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Hey fellas, been stalking the forums for awhile considering buying a Pax 2 until I stumbled on this thread. I've been religiously checking for info on the Firefly 2 since and this just popped up.
Looks like price is confirmed at $329 and more temp setting will be coming after launch. Awesome.
https://www.leafly.com/news/headlines/faster-slimmer-lighter-firefly-2-to-debut-in-las-vegas-cf57
Looks like price is confirmed at $329 and more temp setting will be coming after launch. Awesome.
https://www.leafly.com/news/headlines/faster-slimmer-lighter-firefly-2-to-debut-in-las-vegas-cf57
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