Discontinued The Herbalizer

TboneToker

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Make it to LA, you can try mine!
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Really??! I am in Canada but if love to take a trip soon my heart has been telling me to travel and I'd love to see Seattle/California/maybe drive down through mexico/south America

I would totally drop by and hangout! Compare that Cali weed to this Alberta/BC stuff I'm sure it's excellent!
 
TboneToker,

YungLeaner

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Really??! I am in Canada but if love to take a trip soon my heart has been telling me to travel and I'd love to see Seattle/California/maybe drive down through mexico/south America

I would totally drop by and hangout! Compare that Cali weed to this Alberta/BC stuff I'm sure it's excellent!
Absolutely! You'll have to deal with the apartment size and quality of a college student, but my weed tends to be fit for a king :razz:
 

zombied

Well-Known Member
So I think I might be in the market for a new piece of glass for the Herbalizer. I already own Ratchet's SonG v2, so at least I'm ready! Looking for a recommendation. I'd like the following features:

- Honeycomb intake
- Sit directly on the Herbie w/ SonG and take hits directly, no whips or crap
- Can fill bags (Volcano solid valve)
- Around $150-200

Any ideas?
 
zombied,

YungLeaner

Well-Known Member
So I think I might be in the market for a new piece of glass for the Herbalizer. I already own Ratchet's SonG v2, so at least I'm ready! Looking for a recommendation. I'd like the following features:

- Honeycomb intake
- Sit directly on the Herbie w/ SonG and take hits directly, no whips or crap
- Can fill bags (Volcano solid valve)
- Around $150-200

Any ideas?
You could wait for VapeXhale to get their Hydratubes back in stock, they sell a honeycomb one in that price range. http://www.grav.com/product/hydratubes-by-grav/ Grav Labs makes some nice ones. I would go get an FC-UFO from DH-Gate, but I don't mind a whip going into my bong
 
YungLeaner,

TboneToker

Well-Known Member
So I think I might be in the market for a new piece of glass for the Herbalizer. I already own Ratchet's SonG v2, so at least I'm ready! Looking for a recommendation. I'd like the following features:

- Honeycomb intake
- Sit directly on the Herbie w/ SonG and take hits directly, no whips or crap
- Can fill bags (Volcano solid valve)
- Around $150-200

Any ideas?

For 150-200 I would get something like this http://aqualabtechnologies.com/scie...ngs/manifest-14mm-micro-flower-bubbler-2.html, http://aqualabtechnologies.com/scie...nomite-glass-50mm-gridded-perc-bubbler-1.html
 
TboneToker,

nigel

And shepherds we shall be,for Accuracy & Discovery
@Up_In_Vapor

I would skip the aromatherapy function, personally. I think it's been reported to effect the taste of the herb.

I learned that lesson the hard way with another vape. My flower tasted like ginger for a week. :puke:

Now, I keep a vape (not an Herbalizer as that'd be overkill) expressly for other herbs, so there's no flavor contamination.


She said that the volcano was unable to keep the temperature consistent, that it would change by 100 degrees.

This is quite easy to test using a thermocouple. I've tested all the units I can get my grubby little mitts on.

In general, you'll see one of two behaviors on draw:

  1. Temp will plummet. This is due to a large volume of room-temp air being drawn in, replacing the small volume of heated air. So you think you might be at 330°F (if the device is even close... most are more of a "ballpark" when it comes to temp), but in reality, only the initial burst is that way.

  2. Temp will spike. This would be caused by air being preheated in a reserve. To compensate for the room temp air, a mass of air is pre-heated. But generally it sits much hotter than the bowl. So you might be trying to avoid certain compounds above 330°F (just an example), but in reality are boiling off volatile compounds much higher than that.

[PAKA DISCLAIMER: Although volatility is usually expressed as fixed point, in reality is is more of a range. There I said it before @pakalolo could interject.]

The Herbalizer is the only unit I've tested that doesn't exhibit either behavior. In fact, the plot line is relatively flat on draw. So, you know, within a few degrees, that you are getting the temp you expect.

In fact, this is one of the selling points of the device. I'm sure this is what the person on the phone was alluding to.

(Although perhaps not as critical for recreational users, it is definitely a concern for medicinal users. For example, we have one user who here who has family that needs pain management, but doesn't want impairment. Easy enough to boil most of the THC∆9 (and all the other low temp terpenoids) off, (or keep them for yourself :) ), and then let them go after the higher temp. I have other people that have an allergy (mild but still not pleasant) to one of the terps, and it is easy enough to mostly avoid with temperature management. That's just two examples, but you get the idea.)


She said that they are working on fixing the problems with the bags but when I send them emails about it they don't say much so I'm not sure it could be true.

A lot of manufactures, especially when addressing a concern, don't want to announce a solution until it has been 100% vetted. I've seen a few vape companies get roasted for pre-emptively announcing a change/fix, then realizing it wasn't right and delaying until they get it dialed in. Transparency is nice and all, but I can certainly understand wanting to keep mum until one knows one has a solution that will make everybody happy. Doesn't mean it isn't being worked on.

I asked her why they couldn't support overseas just cause of the difference in the power plugs, she couldn't answer which is fine but I just don't understand why they can't support overseas customers anyways it just seems like they're trying to save money any way they can.

I don't think this is a "save money" because of parts issue. Rather, on a new device, I can see a new company wanting to narrow their focus until they are relatively assured everything is working as expected. Then, to move into other markets. Don't want to stretch one's self too thin, but rather make it work and work well, then expand. This is entirely *SPECULATION* on my part, but I'd expect an overseas solution "sometime soon." I only say this as the device has been out for a while now and as had (relatively) few problems.

That being said, there are a few in use overseas. In fact, as you know, some FC members are in the group. But they've taken the time to research the appropriate hardware (and not some cheap Chinese P.o.S.). So you can do it, but you assume the risk. Knowledge will minimize that risk.



Cheers :cheers:
 

vapeguy

Well-Known Member
Since the Herbalizer uses a halogen bulb for heat, does it mean the vape emits light when in use?

I also know halogen bulbs don't last that long, can it be replaced and is it a special expensive bulb or something standard?

Thanks
 

zombied

Well-Known Member
Since the Herbalizer uses a halogen bulb for heat, does it mean the vape emits light when in use?

I also know halogen bulbs don't last that long, can it be replaced and is it a special expensive bulb or something standard?

Thanks

Yes, it emits light, but you can't see it outside of the bowl.

Non-standard bulb. It is supposed to last 30 years.
 

MinnBobber

Well-Known Member
Since the Herbalizer uses a halogen bulb for heat, does it mean the vape emits light when in use?

I also know halogen bulbs don't last that long, can it be replaced and is it a special expensive bulb or something standard?

Thanks
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When you look down the chamber and the unit is heating, you see a tiny glow below. Very minimal.
When the two part chamber is attached, you'd see no glow--completely covered.

From Herbalizer FAQs:
Q: How long will the halogen bulb last in my Herbalizer?

a: Our testing shows the bulb will work for about 30 years of normal use. The Herbalizer is built to withstand daily use for years, and covered with our 2-year Warranty.
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Halogen bulb provides almost instant heatup, like under 10 seconds.
 
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DabDiva

Member
if anyone is looking for an easy way to load the Herbie bowl. I use a VapeXhale EasyLoadBowl and its literally perfect for it in my opinon :science:
 

MinnBobber

Well-Known Member
@DabDiva ,
have any pics of that? Do you use just the Herbie bottom bowl or the complete Herbie chamber?

I use the miniVAP Flexicone modules and just the Herbie bottom half.
Pic has one Flexicone in chamber and one dis-assembled on the side, including a hemp filter.

Herbie%20mV%20VXL.jpg
 
MinnBobber,

nigel

And shepherds we shall be,for Accuracy & Discovery
I also know halogen bulbs don't last that long, can it be replaced and is it a special expensive bulb or something standard?

Thanks

Look back in the thread. There were stress test videos on the bulbs that they used for longevity calculations. I think some of them might have been vtac's early posts.
 
nigel,

DabDiva

Member
@DabDiva ,
have any pics of that? Do you use just the Herbie bottom bowl or the complete Herbie chamber?

I use the miniVAP Flexicone modules and just the Herbie bottom half.
Pic has one Flexicone in chamber and one dis-assembled on the side, including a hemp filter.

Herbie%20mV%20VXL.jpg

Off topic but i must say i have been wanting to try your setup for a while. Those miniVap accessories are just a tad expensive in my opinion tho so thats the only reason why i haven't tried your setup. But one day i will most likely give in and try them out lol

And sorry for the confusion. I was trying to say i use the bottom/larger part of the VapeXhale ELB (not the cap) to scoop my meds out of the grinder. Then i simply place the ELB on top of my Herbalizer bowl and dump the meds in there.

I have always found the Herbalizer bowl a little more difficult to load and I have tried a business cards, small spoons, etc but i consistently spilled more cannabis on the table than inside the Herbalizer bowl.

My technique is nothing game changing lol. But i feel it could really help someone struggling with loading the bowl quickly and efficiently :myday:
 

John Lewus

Well-Known Member
(Although perhaps not as critical for recreational users, it is definitely a concern for medicinal users. For example, we have one user who here who has family that needs pain management, but doesn't want impairment. Easy enough to boil most of the THC∆9 (and all the other low temp terpenoids) off, (or keep them for yourself :) ), and then let them go after the higher temp. I have other people that have an allergy (mild but still not pleasant) to one of the terps, and it is easy enough to mostly avoid with temperature management. That's just two examples, but you get the idea.)


I never heard of an allergy to a terp. I often get congested and am a daily user. I've wondered if my herb might be causing it especially if there are pesticides in it. How do they avoid this terp through temp control? Do they just vape at low temps? I wonder if this is affecting me.
 
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vapeguy

Well-Known Member
I've been looking for a new vape and was almost considering this one or a Volcano but an update to a review that was good says the bags and valve don't last long before they start to rip. For this reason I think I'll go with a Volcano (I had 2 before and it's rock solid).
 
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zombied

Well-Known Member
I've been looking for a new vape and was almost considering this one or a Volcano but an update to a review that was good says the bags and valve don't last long before they start to rip. For this reason I think I'll go with a Volcano (I had 2 before and it's rock solid).

That's why you use the Volcano solid valve system on the Herbie ;)
 
zombied,

vapeguy

Well-Known Member
I didn't know you could do that, but the Herbie is already quite a bit more expensive than even the Volcano Digit, and just the solid valve costs more than some vaporizers, so that just gets the cost ridiculously high so I'd rather get a Volcano digit.
 
vapeguy,

MinnBobber

Well-Known Member
Off topic but i must say i have been wanting to try your setup for a while. Those miniVap accessories are just a tad expensive in my opinion tho so thats the only reason why i haven't tried your setup. But one day i will most likely give in and try them out lol

And sorry for the confusion. I was trying to say i use the bottom/larger part of the VapeXhale ELB (not the 2cap) to scoop my meds out of the grinder. Then i simply place the ELB on top of my Herbalizer bowl and dump the meds in there.

I have always found the Herbalizer bowl a little more difficult to load and I have tried a business cards, small spoons, etc but i consistently spilled more cannabis on the table than inside the Herbalizer bowl.
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Yes, the miniVAP accessories are overpriced, it's unfortunate.

@Ratchett has a nice funnel on his Delta 3D Studios site $6 . That might help in loading Herbie

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biohacker

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@vapeguy - without a doubt - spend the extra an get the Herbalizer over the Cano Digit! Why not have have the versatility of whip or vape bong as well? Just the instant heatup time and smaller bowl size are a good enough reason, otherwise as per your other thread, try the HerbalAire Elite first since it's more cost effective.

I didn't know that you could use a Volcano valve with the Herbie? Something I should look into!
 
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herbivore21

Well-Known Member
So has someone yet done the obvious and made a GonG for the herbie that connects to a dropdown (or rather, drop up I guess lol) designed to connect the GonG above the herbie bowl to a rig next to the herbie?

If this can be done with what I want in materials I'd buy a herbie tomorrow. It's a vape that has a hell of a lot going for it, I just don't do silicone and like using a bubbler!
 
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biohacker

Well-Known Member
You can get an adapter to attach a hydratube. I'm not much into whips and bags either but the Herbie bag goes down as the best tasting shatter i've ever experienced. I sandwich it between two pads and the flavour is just sooooo heavenly! Don't think you're going to get the temps you require though!
 
biohacker,

zombied

Well-Known Member
I didn't know you could do that, but the Herbie is already quite a bit more expensive than even the Volcano Digit, and just the solid valve costs more than some vaporizers, so that just gets the cost ridiculously high so I'd rather get a Volcano digit.

I've got to go with @biohacker on this one. The Herbalizer is so ridiculously efficient with material that the extra cost will pay for itself pretty quickly.

I bought the Volcano Solid Valve kit. It's bowl is HUGE. You'll use a lot more material less efficiently.
 
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