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Urgently need new vape, what's a good one at $150-300?

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vapeguy

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After more repairs than I can count my LSV is now garbage and I need a new vape ASAP (I have my pax in the meantime).

I'd prefer to spend $150-300 and want something with real temperature control (not a "dumb" dimmer like the LSV). I'd also like the option of making bags but not if there's a better "bagless" model. I prefer a plug in as this is for home use and I already have a pax.

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howie105

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After more repairs than I can count my LSV is now garbage and I need a new vape ASAP (I have my pax in the meantime).

I'd prefer to spend $150-300 and want something with real temperature control (not a "dumb" dimmer like the LSV). I'd also like the option of making bags but not if there's a better "bagless" model. I prefer a plug in as this is for home use and I already have a pax.

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Every on loves a log. I cycle back and forth between a LSV and a Nano, both are good in their own way however the dimmer switch and the cord on the Nano will make you miss your LSV. However its still worth the switch IME.
 
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vapeguy

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I can't find a vape called the nano, are you talking about the e-nano? It seems like it only holds a tiny amount, I want something with a capacity similar to the LSV. It also doesn't seem to have real temperature control which is an absolute must for me (my voltage fluctuates wildly causing dumb vapes like these to have wildly fluctuating temps).

Why would the dimmer switch and cord on the nano make me miss my lsv? it is the dimmer switch and cord I don't like on the lsv (not that it has a cord, but that the cord breaks every few weeks or months).
 
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howie105

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I can't find a vape called the nano, are you talking about the e-nano?.....Yep sorry I didn't mean to confuse the situation.

It seems like it only holds a tiny amount, I want something with a capacity similar to the LSV...Sorry you didn't state that.

It also doesn't seem to have real temperature control which is an absolute must for me (my voltage fluctuates wildly causing dumb vapes like these to have wildly fluctuating temps....Its that basic balance between power and draw rate to regulate the Nano temperature. Its easier then on the LSV for me because of the reduced air flow but your right it doesn’t have real time temperature monitoring and adjustment.

Why would the dimmer switch and cord on the nano make me miss my lsv? it is the dimmer switch and cord I don't like on the lsv (not that it has a cord, but that the cord breaks every few weeks or months)....The Nano cord and switch are not as sturdy IME so one might wish for a better cord and switch like on the LSV. However I never had to repair either cord or switch on either the LSV or Nano so I don't know which will fail first. Good Luck.
 
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jojo monkey

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Why not a Vrip Heatwand? Similar style to the LSV, but has something smarter than a dimmer running the show. Not by much though... they are taking the temps inside the heater. The glass is a little pricey too. If you can live with the expensive glass and ok temp control it might be an option?

The cloud evo is supposed to have some brains for temp control. You'd also have a big bump up in wattage at 250W. I think it might be close to your budget after the FC discount?
 

CarolKing

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The Enano gives excellent flavor and you don't use a lot of product to get medicated. An all glass air path is awesome too. It doesn't do bags but it hooks up well to most water tools.
I know you don't like the temp cord with the dimmer switch.

A log vape is pretty simple and basic but makes an awesome vaporizer. You can find a desk top style vaporizer with fancy gadgets but that doesn't mean that it gives out flavor and keeps the cannabis budget in check.
 
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vapeguy

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I should also mention I don't want any glass parts over $20, I've already had to replace the wand on my lsv many times, anything over $20 to replace would cost me too much, so I think that eliminates both those options, sorry.

I'm actually considering a plenty or volcano (I used to have a volcano), but I heard the plenty shuts off every 90 seconds or something stupid like that, unless I'm misunderstanding that would drive me insane and it's unfortunately not an option because of this stupid feature. I know the volcano is above my price range but I really liked it and may get another if I don't find anything better.
 
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If ease of use, stress free, even extraction, precise temp control and durability are your priorities, and you are not averse to bags, the Volcano Digit is the obvious choice.
 
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Stevenski

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I would suggest the Herbalaire Elite if you want no glass, digital & bags for a reasonable price. Either that or get an EQ but if I was buying a desktop big boy in that price range it would be the Vapolution 3.0 in a heartbeat. Fuck the bags off altogether & come on down to flavour town :2c: :peace:.
 

Tommy10

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100% herbalaire elite. Very decent digital temp control, bottom end of the price range, bags and easy to easy to attach to water, great flavour and reported amazing durability = win win win!
Bowl is huge, but works well with small packs.
 

HellsWindStaff

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I only have an HA H2.2 and was gonna recommend that, but didn't see the Digital Temp requirement, so yeah the Elite sounds perfect based on your critieria
 
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Vapolution 3.0, Herbalaire 2.2 or Elite, miniVAP and maybe Herborizer.

Choose either and you'll be satisfied. the miniVAP is obviously the best but costier. The Herbalaire 2.2 is the most bang for your buck and the Vapolution is problably the tastier followed closely by the Heroborizer but they both use a lot of glass.
 
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vapeguy

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I only have an HA H2.2 and was gonna recommend that, but didn't see the Digital Temp requirement, so yeah the Elite sounds perfect based on your critieria

It's not necessarily a digital temp control requirement, just a temp control (it could be "analog" like on the classic Volcano). I think the H2.2 has an "analog" thermostat and not just a "dumb dimmer" like the LSV.

I just looked at the HA H2.2 and remember its absolutely ridiculous balloon setup, there is no way I'm going through all that trouble, plus needing 2 power outlets, to inflate balloons. Is there any such thing as the HA H2.2 but sold without the separate air pump as if I get that one I would never use it for balloons?

I'm actually leaning towards the Volcano classic (I don't think it's worth the extra cost for digital) or the Plenty, but I read about it shutting down every 90 seconds or something like that, does anyone know the details about this as it sounds like it would drive me insane.
 
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HellsWindStaff

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I just looked at the HA H2.2 and remember its absolutely ridiculous balloon setup, there is no way I'm going through all that trouble, plus needing 2 power outlets, to inflate balloons. Is there any such thing as the HA H2.2 but sold without the separate air pump as if I get that one I would never use it for balloons?

Ah, so some arbitrary marking's around the knob is what you need ;)
(I am teasing, I just mean that 350 on the HA may not be 350 on the Volcano...My HA has markings but it certainly seems hotter than 350 at 350, ymmv)

The balloon setup is really not all that difficult. Probably as difficult as changing the Volcano bags when they need changed but I really have no experience. I do know that the HA bag setup looks a lot more convoluted and messy than it really is in practice, from my experience. I do wish it had a valve like on the Cano bags though.

I think the Volcano and the Plenty are very comparable. I really dig the way the Plenty looks too, like a crazy power tool.

I would get a Plenty. I do think it has an autoshut off after X amount of time, so it's more of a "lets bring this out and have a session" type of desktop. The Volcano I view more as, "Lets turn this out and leave it on all day and use when needed" I don't think it would drive me crazy having to trip the autoshutoff while it's in use, but that's just me. I also prefer a direct draw/water compared to bags, and the former is the Plenty's B&B.

Man, all that talk about the HA though, I think I will bust mine out when I get home from work today, got me thinking :)
 
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vapeguy

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The difference between the LSV and HA2.2/Volcano isn't simply markings around the knob, the actual control is completely different. The LSV's knob simply adjusts how much power is sent to the heating element but the power is constant with no temperature monitoring whatsoever. On the HA2.2/Volcano the knob is an actual thermostat and "smartly" alternates between full power and no power to maintain the selected temperature, meaning they will compensate for my fluctuating voltage (on my LSV if I take a draw after my electric space heater happens to turn off it will often combust as all the power that was being used by the space heater suddenly makes its way to the LSV increasing the temperature).

You haven't mentioned is there's any HA2.2 equivalent without the pump as I would never use it.

About the Plenty I'm also not sure I like that you need to use that metal pad for small amounts, how long does the pad last and how much are replacement pads?

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DDave

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Given the cost of the volcano- what about the EQ?

I would suggest the Herbalaire Elite if you want no glass, digital & bags for a reasonable price. Either that or get an EQ but if I was buying a desktop big boy in that price range it would be the Vapolution 3.0 in a heartbeat. Fuck the bags off altogether & come on down to flavour town :2c: :peace:.

^^^^ Plus one to these recommendations... :rockon:
 
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vapeguy

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I just looked at the Vapolution 3, other than not liking a vape that has "polution" in its name it seems good, but also has a ridiculously short 3 minute shut off time which ruins it for me. What's up with all these vaporizers with absurdly short shut off times? I don't want to have to turn it back on 10 times per use. I often leave my LSV on for an hour or more and just draw every now and then, I'd like a vape that can be used in a similar way, that reminds me, convection is an absolute must due to my tendency to go for long periods without taking a draw.

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Derrrpp

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@vapeguy, I still think you should look into the Extreme-Q. You can use the whip for direct draw or use balloons, whichever you prefer. Also, precise digital temperature control uses three heat sensors and is adjustable in 1°C increments from 50 to 260 C (122-500 F). You can set the temperature to display in either Fahrenheit or Celsius. And it has a programmable auto-shutoff that you set to whatever suits you. @DDave makes a mod kit for it that improves performance. And you can get it for less than $150...

:2c:
 
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HellsWindStaff

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The difference between the LSV and HA2.2/Volcano isn't simply markings around the knob, the actual control is completely different. The LSV's knob simply adjusts how much power is sent to the heating element but the power is constant with no temperature monitoring whatsoever. On the HA2.2/Volcano the knob is an actual thermostat and "smartly" alternates between full power and no power to maintain the selected temperature, meaning they will compensate for my fluctuating voltage (on my LSV if I take a draw after my electric space heater happens to turn off it will often combust as all the power that was being used by the space heater suddenly makes its way to the LSV increasing the temperature).

You haven't mentioned is there's any HA2.2 equivalent without the pump as I would never use it.

About the Plenty I'm also not sure I like that you need to use that metal pad for small amounts, how long does the pad last and how much are replacement pads?

Thanks

That's wild, I really appreciate the info. I have zero experience with the LSV but I do have an EVO and an apt comparison I typically see is that the LSV can kind of match the EVO in terms of what it's doing. The EVO also has a "dumb" knob and I am able to estimate a ballpark temp with it, so I assumed you would be able to comparably match up knob positions with temperature on the LSV. My mistake (you know what they say about assumptions :p) I can understand how that would be a problem if your temp is not constant because of power fluctuation. I actually believe now with that knowledge the EVO is more like the HA or Volcano in that it can "smartly" adjust the power to maintain its temp, more or less just never knew that about the LSV!

This has opened up a whole new world of research for me, honestly something I never thought of. I always kind of assumed my vapes were more or less regulated in that they would always be drawing X power regardless of what else is plugged in.

As to you're second point, no I don't know. Maybe the EQ, the EQ and HA seem pretty similar in a lot of regards.

I also don't know how much the pads are, sure they are listed on S&B but I reckon like $5 or something for a handful? Literally no idea. Don't think they'd break the bank though.

I also believe you'd need the pads for the Volcano for smaller amounts but I could be totally wrong as I don't have experience with it.

You want bags, you want convection, you want to use small amounts without a spacer....if the Cano works without the spacer I'd say get that. If it doesn't, I will still stand by my initial suggestion of the HA as it does all those things you mentioned. Believe the autoshutoff is like 30 minutes but it does heat up in like 2-3 minutes? I didn't time it when I used it, I will later.

The EQ would probably be a pretty good thing to look into as well, based on my knowledge of it, hits your points too.
 
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I actually had an EQ for a short time and found it horrible and barely made any vapor. Based on other reviews I had to assume it was defective but because the manufacturer said if I returned it and it was found to be ok I'd have to pay a bunch of fees to have it sent back as is I just gave up on it completely. I may consider buying another in the hopes the one I had really was defective.

The volcano is the only vape I know with an adjustable size chamber with a clever multi piece plunger design to hold the top filter at any height to adapt to how full the chamber is (at least with the original valve, I've never used the new easy valve and wouldn't want to, I think I once looked at it online and found the design much inferior to the original valve), the chamber can expand from the smallest to the biggest chamber I would think any vape has, able to hold a tiny pinch or several grams, so it can't be beat for that.

Edit: I just checked a video and the easy valve does not have an adjustable size chamber and requires a pad for small amounts like the Plenty. I don't know what S&B had in their Volcano when they came up with this atrocious easy valve but I don't want to try any. The original valve and chamber design where beyond perfection, why they later designed a new valve that's worst in every way imaginable is beyond me.

I think I'm now leaning towards the Volcano or EQ.

BTW I just fixed my LSV so I'm able to use it before one of the last times. Last night I cut the damaged wire out and resoldered it only to then realize I have no heat shrink tube of the right size or electrical tape to insulate the soldered wires so it was left in an unusable condition. Only this morning did I realize I had the right size heat shrink and it fell out of the drawer as I was looking for my solder and flux. I still went to get electrical tape as I always want some available.

Thanks for the info
 
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