Underdog Log Vapes

ZC · Jan 20, 2016

I find my mini runs pretty cool. I bump it up to 13v and push the screen in the SS stem pretty close to the end and still get fairly whispy vapor. It's more in line with the puffit in terms of vapor production, not in line with my other logs.

I understand that the resistor is cooler, but its much noticeably cooler than my HI or my homemade log, both of which are resistor based. I haven't tried leaving it on for an hour because of all the warnings about it fatiguing faster, but I think I'll give that a try next time.

That all said, I'm still very happy with it. I got it mostly for the novelty/VAS so its not like I need it to be a daily driver. UD has been pretty upfront that this is a novelty/enthusiast treat and I think that's a fair description.

srama21 · Jan 20, 2016

ZC said:
I haven't tried leaving it on for an hour because of all the warnings about it fatiguing faster, but I think I'll give that a try next time.

I also didn't try this for the same reason. Tried it today at 13v for about 40 minutes and got noticeably better vapor production.

I'm also happy with my mini. My expectations were a little different because I was hoping to be able to lighten the load off my standard core. Even though that won't happen it's still a nice little treat for every once in a while.

Allanthia420 · Jan 20, 2016

underdog said:
The Minis run considerably cooler than our current generation regular Dogs since they still use the standard resistors instead of our custom stainless heaters. Should be enough heat to vape with the Nylon Stems and NonGs but may need a VVPS to push the glass stems (Mini wasn't really intended for these).

Contact Underdogette if you think your Mini isn't running right and she can help get you squared away and/or figure out what's up.

Ahhhhh I do have a VVPS that I use, should I turn it up to a higher voltage than 12 for the Mini? What would be recommended?

Allanthia420 · Jan 20, 2016

srama21 said:
You all have no problem using the minis w/ wall wart and nylon stems? I get no visible vapor when using the mini with the wall wart (material color doesn't change). I have the china battery pack and dial up to 13v but still barely any visible vapor, almost a negligible increase. When i touch the mini it feels hot, about as hot as my standard core gets.

What voltages are you all going up to with the minis? Currently I only have the capability of going up to 13v, trying to find a good cheap VVPS to go higher, but hearing that the nylon stem works with the wall wart is definitely different from my experience.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/12182312029...49&var=420816652697&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

Might be able to help you with the cheap VVPS! Just got mine today and it works wonderfully with the "Mono to 2.1mm Barrel" cable from the underdog store! Ships from the US too.

Petro · Jan 20, 2016

Although sometimes you need to wait between hits for it to recover, my mini runs just fine on 12.5V and can blacken a nylon stem load :tup:

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medically420 · Jan 20, 2016

Hey everyone, the lavender oil in my aromatherapy cup turned from clear to a blue color. I remember seeing small specks of blue in the beginning and then 3 days later it's completely blue. Anyone know what's going on? I leave it on in the living room, and there's not much dust/particles floating around there.

Madcap79 · Jan 20, 2016

medically420 said:
Hey everyone, the lavender oil in my aromatherapy cup turned from clear to a blue color. I remember seeing small specks of blue in the beginning and then 3 days later it's completely blue. Anyone know what's going on? I leave it on in the living room, and there's not much dust/particles floating around there.

Could be some kind of reaction between the oil and the copper? I've had one of my cups turn a greenish blue. I forget which oil did it though.

StonerSloth · Jan 20, 2016

@underdog - I am thinking about picking up another dog to keep my current pup company. I have a 2014 standard core ash twig and I typically prefer to run at 12.8-13.0V.

Would you say that a current-day dog would operate at a similar temperature running at around 12.0V? I know they are supposed to be quite a bit hotter these days but I'm trying to get a handle on how much hotter...

If I primarily use GonG's, do you think I should stick with another standard core, or try out the Air core?

SSVUN~YAH · Jan 21, 2016

Where my Dog's at!?!

HellsWindStaff · Jan 21, 2016

StonerSloth said:
@underdog - I am thinking about picking up another dog to keep my current pup company. I have a 2014 standard core ash twig and I typically prefer to run at 12.8-13.0V.

Would you say that a current-day dog would operate at a similar temperature running at around 12.0V? I know they are supposed to be quite a bit hotter these days but I'm trying to get a handle on how much hotter...

If I primarily use GonG's, do you think I should stick with another standard core, or try out the Air core?

I have a late 2014 Standard core myself on one of my dogs and I also bump the voltage up to around that. And I would say both the Air Core and standard core newer day logs operate at closer to that temp. The 12.8. I don't even need to use the VVPS with any of them other than my first one.

yotter · Jan 22, 2016

Had my Underdog for about 3months - still working, and looking, as good as ever.

However, I accidentally broke the O ring. I went out today and bought a multi-pack of different sizes, I found the right size, however when I put it on the core after a few minutes it started to smoke. Took it straight off, and put it straight in the bin.

Now I know I can buy O rings from the Underdog website, but I live in the UK which means the shipping costs would be silly. What sort of O ring (in my research I've found that they are made out of several different materials), and what size would I need?

underdog · Jan 22, 2016

yotter said:
Had my Underdog for about 3months - still working, and looking, as good as ever.

However, I accidentally broke the O ring. I went out today and bought a multi-pack of different sizes, I found the right size, however when I put it on the core after a few minutes it started to smoke. Took it straight off, and put it straight in the bin.

Now I know I can buy O rings from the Underdog website, but I live in the UK which means the shipping costs would be silly. What sort of O ring (in my research I've found that they are made out of several different materials), and what size would I need?

Uh oh, yeah they have to be red high-temp silicone and I've never seen those in stores anywhere.

I think the cross section on these is too small (we use 3/32") but maybe this company who's in the UK can help you find the right size?

https://www.polymax.co.uk/o-ring-7-59mm-id-x-2-62mm-cs-silicone-red-70-sha

If you message Underdogette she can get you all the specs (size, etc) of the ones we're using so you can try and get a match.

caphector · Jan 22, 2016

yotter said:
HNow I know I can buy O rings from the Underdog website, but I live in the UK which means the shipping costs would be silly. What sort of O ring (in my research I've found that they are made out of several different materials), and what size would I need?

I asked Underdoggette about this a while back since I was ordering stuff from McMaster-Carr want Silicone O-Rings that are 5/16ths ID and 1/2 inch OD, 3/32nd width. They need to be high temp silicone, since the Dog gets hot.

Stevenski · Jan 22, 2016

Woo hoo just sent my query about getting a Dog sent to Aussie land. I am listing that as an achievement as I have been procrastinating for a couple of weeks.

j-bug · Jan 23, 2016

I just wanted to come congratulate the Underdog team @underdog and @underdogette on creating a product that has such a huge demand that the Holiday Vapes have once again sold out.

The product quality is undeniable everyone I've introduced to the dog has been blown away. The love that so many of us have for this vape has been remarkable advertising and this vape has amazing word of mouth. Also wanted to thank you for your commitment to keep such an affordable vape in stock and attempting to make sure that everyone who wants one at the Holiday Special price can get one. You guys are doing an amazing job for all your customers and future customers. For me the Underdog has been an amazing tool that will save me far more than it costs overtime, and I'm sure will positively impact the lives of many people for whom the Underdog might be a little out of reach normally. The work you do is truly a wonderful gift to so many.

ZC · Jan 23, 2016

So I gave my mini another try, still at 13v but this time waiting about an hour to heat up. And the results were much stronger. Thick clouds and hard hits. Production in line with any of the best vapes I've tried.

The custom core I have is perfect for @Ed's TnT 's outer bushing. And it's a good looking combo too.

yotter · Jan 23, 2016

underdog said:
Uh oh, yeah they have to be red high-temp silicone and I've never seen those in stores anywhere.

I think the cross section on these is too small (we use 3/32") but maybe this company who's in the UK can help you find the right size?

https://www.polymax.co.uk/o-ring-7-59mm-id-x-2-62mm-cs-silicone-red-70-sha

If you message Underdogette she can get you all the specs (size, etc) of the ones we're using so you can try and get a match.

caphector said:
I asked Underdoggette about this a while back since I was ordering stuff from McMaster-Carr want Silicone O-Rings that are 5/16ths ID and 1/2 inch OD, 3/32nd width. They need to be high temp silicone, since the Dog gets hot.

Thanks for getting back to me guys, will take a look and see what I come up with. Thanks again!

Stevenski · Jan 23, 2016

I have been through the last 10 pages of this thread & I am hoping to get a bit of advice to maximise my enjoyment when I receive a UD. I will need to source my own power supply & that will not be a problem as UD have advised they will let me know the specs I will need but in addition is there anything I should be purchasing?

Bear in mind I am in Australia so I tend to oversupply myself with consumables & am intending to order

2 x NonG's
2 x Short Gong's
2 x Thick D/D stems
1 x Nylon stem
2 x S/S tips (in case I feel like MacGyver)
2 x packs of screens
1 x pack of both O ring sizes

I have no intentions of ordering more UD supplies until I inevitably order a custom vape & I think having 3 unbreakable stems makes me feel more comfortable about the process. The freight component will be between 20-25% of the purchase price & my $ has dropped so much the last few years this makes it closer to a $375 purchase + power supply. Oh to be back to the days of parity with the greenback!

What I will need to manage is temperature/voltage & am wondering what is a good solution for a guy who has no idea on this kind of thing.

I have seen what looks like rechargeable battery packs on the UD site & have found them locally.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/3A-2A-Ad...107992?hash=item54282a3698:g:qlsAAOSwHaBWj4sG

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/X-2-Pana...681229?hash=item43e52c18cd:g:OpYAAOSwcBhWXXLg

Are they simply a power bank so you can use a UD "cordless" once pre warmed or are they something you can also adjust the voltage/temp with? If so that would be a great solution as I could heat sink on mains power & then switch to battery for a few hours & then recharge the pack for the next evening's use. If not can you piggyback a dimmer switch between the battery pack & UD if you can't adjust the voltage from the battery pack?

The other mains power ones I have seen are questionable looking tattoo units (cheap) & I have also seen some medical looking ones that are more expensive but I really have NFI on this. My preference is to buy once & buy right so I would really appreciate any advice for a slightly stoned & confused Aussie buying his first log :peace:

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If anyone wants to recommend any suitable bong/bubbler styles/sizes for a UD that would be cool too as I am in the market for a new piece for no particular reason.

j-bug · Jan 23, 2016

Stevenski said:
I have been through the last 10 pages of this thread & I am hoping to get a bit of advice to maximise my enjoyment when I receive a UD. I will need to source my own power supply & that will not be a problem as UD have advised they will let me know the specs I will need but in addition is there anything I should be purchasing?

Bear in mind I am in Australia so I tend to oversupply myself with consumables & am intending to order

2 x NonG's
2 x Short Gong's
2 x Thick D/D stems
1 x Nylon stem
2 x S/S tips (in case I feel like MacGyver)
2 x packs of screens
1 x pack of both O ring sizes

I have no intentions of ordering more UD supplies until I inevitably order a custom vape & I think having 3 unbreakable stems makes me feel more comfortable about the process. The freight component will be between 20-25% of the purchase price & my $ has dropped so much the last few years this makes it closer to a $375 purchase + power supply. Oh to be back to the days of parity with the greenback!

What I will need to manage is temperature/voltage & am wondering what is a good solution for a guy who has no idea on this kind of thing.

I have seen what looks like rechargeable battery packs on the UD site & have found them locally.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/3A-2A-Ad...107992?hash=item54282a3698:g:qlsAAOSwHaBWj4sG

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/X-2-Pana...681229?hash=item43e52c18cd:g:OpYAAOSwcBhWXXLg

Are they simply a power bank so you can use a UD "cordless" once pre warmed or are they something you can also adjust the voltage/temp with? If so that would be a great solution as I could heat sink on mains power & then switch to battery for a few hours & then recharge the pack for the next evening's use. If not can you piggyback a dimmer switch between the battery pack & UD if you can't adjust the voltage from the battery pack?

The other mains power ones I have seen are questionable looking tattoo units (cheap) & I have also seen some medical looking ones that are more expensive but I really have NFI on this. My preference is to buy once & buy right so I would really appreciate any advice for a slightly stoned & confused Aussie buying his first log .

If anyone wants to recommend any suitable bong/bubbler styles/sizes for a UD that would be cool too as I am in the market for a new piece for no particular reason.

I'd recommend also getting a stainless steel direct draw stem as well. I love mine and now I use it more than the other stems.

The aroma cups are wonderful especially if you're planning on leaving your vape on throughout the day.

Unfortunately I can't help you with the power question.

StonerSloth · Jan 24, 2016

Stevenski said:
I have been through the last 10 pages of this thread & I am hoping to get a bit of advice to maximise my enjoyment when I receive a UD. I will need to source my own power supply & that will not be a problem as UD have advised they will let me know the specs I will need but in addition is there anything I should be purchasing?

Bear in mind I am in Australia so I tend to oversupply myself with consumables & am intending to order

2 x NonG's
2 x Short Gong's
2 x Thick D/D stems
1 x Nylon stem
2 x S/S tips (in case I feel like MacGyver)
2 x packs of screens
1 x pack of both O ring sizes

I have no intentions of ordering more UD supplies until I inevitably order a custom vape & I think having 3 unbreakable stems makes me feel more comfortable about the process. The freight component will be between 20-25% of the purchase price & my $ has dropped so much the last few years this makes it closer to a $375 purchase + power supply. Oh to be back to the days of parity with the greenback!

What I will need to manage is temperature/voltage & am wondering what is a good solution for a guy who has no idea on this kind of thing.

I have seen what looks like rechargeable battery packs on the UD site & have found them locally.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/3A-2A-Ad...107992?hash=item54282a3698:g:qlsAAOSwHaBWj4sG

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/X-2-Pana...681229?hash=item43e52c18cd:g:OpYAAOSwcBhWXXLg

Are they simply a power bank so you can use a UD "cordless" once pre warmed or are they something you can also adjust the voltage/temp with? If so that would be a great solution as I could heat sink on mains power & then switch to battery for a few hours & then recharge the pack for the next evening's use. If not can you piggyback a dimmer switch between the battery pack & UD if you can't adjust the voltage from the battery pack?

The other mains power ones I have seen are questionable looking tattoo units (cheap) & I have also seen some medical looking ones that are more expensive but I really have NFI on this. My preference is to buy once & buy right so I would really appreciate any advice for a slightly stoned & confused Aussie buying his first log .

If anyone wants to recommend any suitable bong/bubbler styles/sizes for a UD that would be cool too as I am in the market for a new piece for no particular reason.

It sounds like you have your stem requirements covered. There are quite a few on your list there! I would say up your screen quantity due to the cost vs. shipping cost.

The DIY power bank you linked does indeed make your dog 'portable' - note that this specific unit goes up to 13.0V and has adjustable voltage output (in 0.5V increments, wish it was finer but alas) - these are extremely rare features in a portable power bank. This will give you up to 4 usable temperature settings (11.5, 12.0, 12.5, 13.0V) depending on your dog's natural temperature - but running off 18650 batteries isn't really a great long-term solution IMHO.

A lab-style bench top DC power supply is a good solid reliable solution, but some of them can be loud (fan noise) and bulky. The cheap tattoo power supplies can also work, but usually have poor voltage control. If you have the space, a lab-style unit would be preferred. Just search "adjustable power supply digital" or similar.

Essentially, anything that can give you 1 A at 11.5 to 13 V will work.

The cheapest option would be to use a DC transformer you already have and a buck-boost module like this: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/DC-DCSte...er-Power-Digital-Display-Module-/381328974590 but it will require a little bit of wiring.

As for glass - check this thread and some of FC's favorite DHGate glass suppliers here and here

medically420 · Jan 24, 2016

Took a break with my flowermate to vape out and about. Been a few days without my UD, so I decided to take out my setup again. Now I realize the efficiency of this vape is too good compared to the portable.

Also, I noticed my Avb turns into a lightish green. It's hard for me to tell when I'm totally finished with vaping, or am I not getting the most out of it? I tend not to get anymore clouds after the first hit w the NonG. Just to make sure I vape about 2-3 more times to make sure

Stevenski · Jan 25, 2016

Thanks for the detailed response @StonerSloth . I was thinking another pack or two of screens would not be a bad idea at all. As for all the stems UD encourage users to try them all & since the extra 3 are reasonably cheap & easy to ship why not. Freight costs are really shitty between Australia & the USA compared to Europe or Asia so better to get a long term supply of consumables. Looks like I will be on the lookout for a lab style power supply.

The problem is what was a cheap purchase is rapidly ascending in value & I can justify a wood upgrade if I feel like it under the buyers clauses of "fuck it, it's only money" "if I spend more now, I will save more later". I am on shaky ground as I have a tendency towards being silly with money & I am looking at a cupboard full of 80's Transformers as a gentle reminder.

Since I am in the market for a new piece I am thinking 14mm would be the most suitable size for the UD?

rogrog · Jan 25, 2016

Stevenski said:
2 x NonG's
2 x Short Gong's
2 x Thick D/D stems
1 x Nylon stem
2 x S/S tips (in case I feel like MacGyver)
2 x packs of screens
1 x pack of both O ring sizes

be sure to get some stainless tips with the silicone so you can make a glass DD with stainless tip stems. those are my favorite stems out of all of them, stainless stem included.

and treat yourself with an aromatherapy cup, beeswax, and essential oil.

What I will need to manage is temperature/voltage & am wondering what is a good solution for a guy who has no idea on this kind of thing.

I personally do not need a vvps. I'm quite happy with the hitlights dimmer switch from ebay/amazon which I effectively use as an on/off switch. the aircore UD seems to be calibrated correctly in regards to heat.

underdog · Jan 25, 2016

Stevenski said:
Thanks for the detailed response @StonerSloth . I was thinking another pack or two of screens would not be a bad idea at all. As for all the stems UD encourage users to try them all & since the extra 3 are reasonably cheap & easy to ship why not. Freight costs are really shitty between Australia & the USA compared to Europe or Asia so better to get a long term supply of consumables. Looks like I will be on the lookout for a lab style power supply.

The problem is what was a cheap purchase is rapidly ascending in value & I can justify a wood upgrade if I feel like it under the buyers clauses of "fuck it, it's only money" "if I spend more now, I will save more later". I am on shaky ground as I have a tendency towards being silly with money & I am looking at a cupboard full of 80's Transformers as a gentle reminder.

Since I am in the market for a new piece I am thinking 14mm would be the most suitable size for the UD?

Get in touch with Underdogette for a suggestion on an inexpensive VVPS option if you're still looking. :tup:

HellsWindStaff · Jan 25, 2016

@Stevenski I am not totally sure about what type of power you would need being down under, but those Tattoo VVPS's that are relatively cheap get the job done wonderfully if they are compatible. I doubt your newer dog will need it bumped up, but I like having a range of value and since I have different dogs (some + Mini's run cooler) I get the value from it. But I still use the standard wall warts all the time

so the Aussie equivalent to a standard wallwart would probably be a-ok.

All sizes are great for water, it is way too tough and I go through phases myself! When I got it, I was destroying it with the shorty 14mm GonG. But, now, I typically use the 18mm NonG one hitters with water. And, actually believe it or not, I think I end up using DD more often than water nowadays, which is totally the opposite from when I started. Nothing like just chilling in bed with a bunch of loaded up stems, I worry bout spilling a water piece lying down medicated with my computer and stuff lol. I typically still use the one hitter style stems, the SS ones and a handful of wooden ones from Ed. I have a handful of straight up never used long 14mm GonGs that I am considering for use for travel if I go out of the country later this year. Actually forgot I had them until a bit earlier today lol.

But right now, I have the Amboyna running on my counter and I'm just filling up the NonGs, sticking it in my Hydratube, and just clearing them in a go. Little snaps

get me wrecked though. I will have to share later sometime, but I have been documenting my usage, as I was curious and I wanted to have to "check" myself so to speak. The UD excels so much in terms of efficiency! I am only 5 days in, but there was a day that I just used the UD basically, and used less product overall!

Also, I fully expect my usage to change, that's the beauty of the dog, variety! JoDa worked me up a 14mm piece and by golly it looks fantastic from the few pics I saw, with a matching 14mm carbed GonG, I cannot wait til they get here and I can put them to use (and share with all of you!)

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