The Arizer Air

OF

OF

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Spocks_Katra said:
So If I have some LG HG2 3000mah batteries Ive been storing since they arrived, havent charged them at all...How long are they "good" with just being stored and not used?

what is the best battery for longevity of life (Mah) that you have found to work in the air?
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It's covered in the BU page, it depends on charge level and temperature. At 2/3 or so charge and 'room temperature' you can expect most (say 90%) of original capacity many years down the road.

I don't recommend (or personally use) anything but the factory battery. IMO it does a great job, better than most for sure. Centizen beat this one up, there's a thread on it somewhere.

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bluenavey00

bluenavey00

Arizer Air Aficionado
OF said:
It's covered in the BU page, it depends on charge level and temperature. At 2/3 or so charge and 'room temperature' you can expect most (say 90%) of original capacity many years down the road.

I don't recommend (or personally use) anything but the factory battery. IMO it does a great job, better than most for sure. Centizen beat this one up, there's a thread on it somewhere.

OF
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I want to charge my batteries to 90ish% but only ever charge via the Air, there isn't really an easy way to do this is there?
 
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OF

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bluenavey00 said:
I want to charge my batteries to 90ish% but only ever charge via the Air, there isn't really an easy way to do this is there?
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Sure, but not directly. Charge it until it stops then discharge them a bit right away? If a full charge is about 60 minutes, you'd want about 6 minutes or so? Just be sure to be standing by with a loaded stem and do a quick session 'for the good of the battery'.........

This is my suggestion for standby use, charge 'em up and then run a full session or a bit more on them when done before stashing them away.

Or do what I'm doing, buy one of these:
http://www.amazon.com/PowerJive-Vol...id=1452996300&sr=8-2&keywords=usb+power+meter

You plug it into a USB port (or charger) via the short cable, then plug your charge cable into it. It displays the USB Voltage, charging current, and (most importantly) the total charge delivered. It shows, lower left in the display, the actual mAh delivered to the battery. You can watch the charge current (starts about 0.80 Amps with Air. When it drops down as the charge tapers off cut it off. A drop of about 10% of whatever the initial charge is, in our case to 0.72 Amps (varies from unit to unit) you're about 90% charged. This is basically how my charge limiting 'Gadget' works. The three resistors next to the blue terminal block at the top sense this current and when the drop matches the value set by the screw on the blue pot center right the transistor (top right) is turned off by the processor which beeps you to tell you it's done. Since this last 10% or so is a reduced rates, the Gadget cuts almost half an hour off of any recharge.

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chimpybits

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Spocks_Katra said:
I wouldnt imagine unless you took them out periodically and measured them on a voltmeter
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I agree though the fact that the charging takes disproportionately longer to charge the last
10 - 20% might be employed to guess when to stop charging...?
CentiZen said:
... Li-ion battery chargers will taper the charge current as it gets closer and closer to capacity. This means that charging from 0 to ~80% will be relatively fast, and then that last 10 - 20% will take a disproportional amount of time longer as the charge current tapers down.
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OF

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chimpybits said:
Indeed. Doesn't really help w/o.
Speaking of which, I don't understand how one can test the AA batts with the tester you've linked. USB<>AA?
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I don't understand the question. You don't "test the AA battery", rather measure the recharging? To do so you charge through it (the only way to measure current, it has to flow through the metering device) when "You plug it into a USB port (or charger) via the short cable, then plug your charge cable into it."

What am I missing? TIA

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chimpybits

chimpybits

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OF said:
I don't understand the question. You don't "test the AA battery", rather measure the recharging? To do so you charge through it (the only way to measure current, it has to flow through the metering device) when "You plug it into a USB port (or charger) via the short cable, then plug your charge cable into it."

What am I missing? TIA

OF
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OK, but the AA charge cable is barrel-shaped not USB. Seems the device you've linked would only work with an external charger, no? bluenavey00 wants "to charge my batteries to 90ish% but only ever charge via the Air". What am I missing?
 
Stevenski

Stevenski

Enter the Dragon
I quite like the silicone skin but if I am using it alone then I use it without the skin. My titanium Air looks rather fetching with the Ed's TNT Granadillo stem as is TBH. The skin does serve a good purpose though as when I was camping a couple moths ago I was passing it around the campfire like a spliff & was very easy to hold & hit since no one had used a vape before.

I suspect people round here would be disappointed with how I treat my batteries. I have a basic Nitecore I2 & rotate 3 OEM batteries through it (2 x red 1 x lilac). I tend to run them for 4-5 sessions per battery & will often leave them on charge overnight. If I have to buy a couple more batteries after a year or so thats like changing the oil in your car really.
 
OF

OF

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chimpybits said:
OK, but the AA charge cable is barrel-shaped not USB.
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Exactly so, which is why I said "then plug your charge cable into it" not 'then plug your Air.....'. Charge cable, USB on one end, 'Air connector' on the other. Either the factory part (car charger) or one of the 'known working ones' from this thread......like:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NQCMRJ6?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00

or:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/cable-USB-4...pply-5V-Tablet-Android-Sony-PSP-/281234981407

chimpybits said:
Seems the device you've linked would only work with an external charger, no?
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Not quite, it only works with USB stuff. If that's a charger, fine, if it's a vape that's fine too (with the right cables each time......). Or the USB foot warmers I'm using right now. They draw a total of about 1.75 Amps, but if I put my feet on them that goes up slightly......kind of fun, really. And, ironically, plug right in....

It has to be USB (five Volts) so most chargers will not work with it. At least not 'quality' ones. The only one I know personally is the Nitcore UM10 which also needs an adapter cable (to micro USB), which comes with it. You can, of course, use it going in (charging) or coming out (discharging) on your USB based 'Power Bank'.

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OF,
chimpybits

chimpybits

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OF said:
Exactly so, which is why I said "then plug your charge cable into it" not 'then plug your Air.....'. Charge cable, USB on one end, 'Air connector' on the other. Either the factory part (car charger) or one of the 'known working ones' from this thread......like:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NQCMRJ6?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00

or:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/cable-USB-4...pply-5V-Tablet-Android-Sony-PSP-/281234981407



Not quite, it only works with USB stuff. If that's a charger, fine, if it's a vape that's fine too (with the right cables each time......). Or the USB foot warmers I'm using right now. They draw a total of about 1.75 Amps, but if I put my feet on them that goes up slightly......kind of fun, really. And, ironically, plug right in....

It has to be USB (five Volts) so most chargers will not work with it. At least not 'quality' ones. The only one I know personally is the Nitcore UM10 which also needs an adapter cable (to micro USB), which comes with it. You can, of course, use it going in (charging) or coming out (discharging) on your USB based 'Power Bank'.

OF
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Thanks OF, the USB to DC cable was what I was missing.
 
Bravesst

Bravesst

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Lots of OEM batts here. Takes pressure off. I use the nitecor I4, as well as arizers stock charger. I try to do all my charging early am, and rip off charger as soon as im done, not always on time. No big deal.... the rotation of 15 batts makes it all less for each batt. Every couple of months i pick up a couple.
 
TomC1315

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Arizer-Air-...332827?hash=item35f9083adb:g:a00AAOSwaA5WlKcz

While looking for an Arizer EQ replacement part on my favorite eBay/Arizer seller's inventory, I spotted the 18650 genuine Arizer battery selling for $13.99 US ... oh well, they weren't selling it last week when I paid just under $20

For the same reason that I went ahead with the OEM battery, I'm not sweating the extra six bucks I paid last week ... big picture: what's $6 anyway?
Plan for the third battery? I charged it to full, used it for two sessions, and put it away for minimal use while I continue to use my original two batts.
And like Stevenski posted, I charge 'em to full, get two sessions on green, two on white, and a fifth on yellow ... Maybe there's a charger out there that indicates the charge % of the battery (thanks OF for the heads up on the USB devise), but for now I'm happy with my Nitcore I2 - it's a workhorse :-)

Savatgy Industries always seem to have the lowest prices for the extra gear I'm looking to add/replace ...
the two all-glass stems I've added recently sold for $6.45 & $6.99 ... always free, speedy shipping as well.
 
dreadfulheadfull

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Just got my Air this weekend and I am loving it. Pretty much a mini Solo with a snug stem and with replaceable batteries. Heats up way faster than the Solo, probably due to the stem being tight.

Got mine from Puffitup cuz Randy is the man. Got a Bog Oak Wong as well. Still waiting on my extra batteries I ordered from Planetvape because the price with the exchange rate is so low. Right now pv's price of $17.95 CAD is $12.37 USD. However, my package has been idling on the border for days.

I have been using the all glass stem and the Wong. It is great that I don't have to hold the stem in place like I do with the Solo. Still need to get some domed screens and I might try adding them to the Wong because the bowl is so big. When I went to use my plastic tipped stem for the first time I noticed a hairline crack on the tube and, upon further inspection, multiple cracks on the threaded part of the glass. Anyone ever had a damaged stem replaced by Randy? Just wondering before I email him.
 
OF

OF

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dreadfulheadfull said:
Heats up way faster than the Solo, probably due to the stem being tight.

Anyone ever had a damaged stem replaced by Randy? Just wondering before I email him.
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Are you sure about that heat up time claim? I just ran a Solo (to step 4) against my Air (to step 3), each with a 'half charged battery. Solo beat Air by 25 seconds. The Solo had reheated twice by the time Air made temperature. They are both fast, plenty fast enough for most, but IMO Solo is faster.

Yes, I've had two broken stems replaced by Randy. Well one, really, the second one (for my Aura) is in the mail right now. Email him, include a photo with the details, it's sure to go out today if you don't dally too much.

Glad you're enjoying your Air, great unit for sure. I think it suits some better than Solo, others of us prefer Solo. Great to have a choice.

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OF

OF

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lookhigh said:
My Solo heats up faster too. Keeps temperature more even on the draw.
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It can vary a lot with battery charge. Using Solo as an example, typical currents are about two Amps. With a fresh battery, 8.4 Volts, this is 16.4 Watts. But at say 3.6 Volts per cell, 7.2 Volts total the current will have dropped to (7.2/8.4) times the original, now 1.7 Amps (down about 15%). Now we have 1.7 times 7.2 Watts, 12.3. A power drop of about 25%. Time will change an even larger amount (percentage rise) due to the way heat losses work.

This means, a fully charged one is going to beat a partially charged other one, despite which models are which, if the difference is big enough.

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dreadfulheadfull

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My solo has had almost a year and a half of abuse and definitely doesn't hold a full charge anymore, so that's probably it. I also think my solo stems must have been on the smaller side because the air stems seem slightly more snug in the solo than I remember (broke my only remaining solo stem before ordering the air so I can't check though).
 
OF

OF

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dreadfulheadfull said:
My solo has had almost a year and a half of abuse and definitely doesn't hold a full charge anymore, so that's probably it.
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You might want to PM CentiZen, battery guru and all round good fellow. At one point he was making some well respected high capacity battery packs for Solo, higher than factory, puts new life in old Solos......

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