Mobius Glass

TommydCat

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Dabs are definitely not the Clear's strength as it's a big can to fill. I always wanted an Ion Reti to complement it since they look nice next to each other. Waited too late and wound up with an Atom, but sometimes wonder if there's a lonely disappointed Ion somewhere I couldn't find.
 
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ReeferChiefer

Well-Known Member
If I do I'll let you know, but it won't be happening unless something tragic happens. I love this bubbler. I waited 2-3 years to get one and snagged it used on boromarket as my first and only purchase there.

It WILL be getting cleaned and treated like the masterpiece it is. The problem is iso washes aren't doing it. I'm going to spend some real time cleaning it with PBW and everclear rinse. Then I'll just work on keeping it cleaner more often at the new place. It wasn't even THAT clean when I got it...

Fortunately I've only dabbed out of it 2-3 times ever, since it feels like its ripping my chest apart when I do. So the stuff will come good as new with PBW.... I think.
Yeah I would say your best bet is some sort of overnight soak.
 
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MinnBobber

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Yeah I would say your best bet is some sort of overnight soak.
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@darkrom,
overnight soak is ok with ISO but please don't try with PBW. If PBW soak is too long, it starts to leave white stains that are then very difficult to remove.
Just my experience---I only do PBW for 20 minutes max---it works fast. For extreme gunk, 2 20 minute soaks better than a long soak.
PBW is awesome when used properly
 
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ReeferChiefer

Well-Known Member
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@darkrom,
overnight soak is ok with ISO but please don't try with PBW. If PBW soak is too long, it starts to leave white stains that are then very difficult to remove.
Just my experience---I only do PBW for 20 minutes max---it works fast. For extreme gunk, 2 20 minute soaks better than a long soak.
PBW is awesome when used properly
I would say something in your experience made the difference, because several people here have already testified that overnight SG soaks don't leave stains. Either it's PBW itself or something.
 
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Stu

Maconheiro
Staff member
I would say something in your experience made the difference, because several people here have already testified that overnight SG soaks don't leave stains. Either it's PBW itself or something.
SG soaks are fine IME. PBW not so much. I still have remnants of PBW in my ion reti from the one time I used it two years ago. :disgust:

:peace:
 

MinnBobber

Well-Known Member
I would say something in your experience made the difference, because several people here have already testified that overnight SG soaks don't leave stains. Either it's PBW itself or something.
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Not sure on your point as I did say PBW long soaks can leave stains and I said nothing about SG.
 
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ReeferChiefer

Well-Known Member
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Not sure on your point as I did say PBW long soaks can leave stains and I said nothing about SG.
The post you quoted me on said nothing about PBW lol. I simply said overnight soak, maybe I should be more specific.
 
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420engineer

Well-Known Member
Just picked up a Matrix sidecar bubbler for £24 - amazed at the quality for what I was expecting to be a cheap Chinese glass unit that would let me test the waters before committing to a 'decent' unit; but I really don't need to ;)
 
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darkrom

Great Scott!
Dabs are definitely not the Clear's strength as it's a big can to fill. I always wanted an Ion Reti to complement it since they look nice next to each other. Waited too late and wound up with an Atom, but sometimes wonder if there's a lonely disappointed Ion somewhere I couldn't find.

@TommydCat Your story broke my heart so I googled harder :ninja: . Everyone needs their magic glass right?

http://thecavesmokeshop.com/collections/mobius-glass/products/mobius-ion-matrix

HURRY!
 

ReeferChiefer

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To be honest, I've never had a problem dabbing with my Clear Matrix. It's one of my favorite rigs for a reason, that thing makes it a smooth hit no matter what I'm smoking or how big of a hit. It's just magical. It's right next to my Rooster Apparatus for smoothest rigs I've ever hit.
 
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Herr_Dampf

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Please excuse my ignorance, but that unit is $330. I bought this one, which is looking the same, except for the angle of the stem, but for a fraction of the price; <link to counterfeit item removed>

I paid £26 [about $40] for mine, so what's the difference??


In case that question was serious:

Build quality
Material quality
Pay of the people who build them
Supporting the local economy (for the U.S. folks in this case)

If you don't care about the things above, good for you, this thread is for people who do.
There's the cheap glass thread, why not go there instead of pulling a borderline troll?
:peace:
 
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420engineer

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calm down, you sound stressed. to address your question; I just bought a Mobius glass unit, and this looks like a Mobius thread, so, y'know, I kinda thought this might be the place to ask a question. is that OK with you?

if any other less highly strung members would care to answer my question without resorting to the tactics above, I would greatly appreciate it as both units are Mobius units, and as a noob to this, I'm curious.
 
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Herr_Dampf

Well-Known Member
calm down, you sound stressed. to address your question; I just bought a Mobius glass unit, and this looks like a Mobius thread, so, y'know, I kinda thought this might be the place to ask a question. is that OK with you?

if any other less highly strung members would care to answer my question without resorting to the tactics above, I would greatly appreciate it as both units are Mobius units, and as a noob to this, I'm curious.

Your unit is a knock off unit, made in China. So, no you don't own a Möbius piece.
Touchy topic for me because of the way the forum handles it. Nobody would be ok with a thread that intends to get chinese manufacturers build knock offs of US/European vapes. We have 2 threads for doing exactly that with glass. Sorry for the way I reacted but the way your question was formulated...I interpreted it in a way that pushed a few buttons (oh and don't get me started on stress...).
:peace:
 
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darkrom

Great Scott!
calm down, you sound stressed. to address your question; I just bought a Mobius glass unit, and this looks like a Mobius thread, so, y'know, I kinda thought this might be the place to ask a question. is that OK with you?

if any other less highly strung members would care to answer my question without resorting to the tactics above, I would greatly appreciate it as both units are Mobius units, and as a noob to this, I'm curious.


In case you really don't know, you dont have a Möbius. You have a Chinese piece of glass where someone put a Möbius logo on it. Same as if I painted "Mercedes" on the back of a 1982 Datsun pickup truck.
 

Harmoniousliving

Well-Known Member
In case you really don't know, you dont have a Möbius. You have a Chinese piece of glass where someone put a Möbius logo on it. Same as if I painted "Mercedes" on the back of a 1982 Datsun pickup truck.
I thought that "mobius" looked funny...
You can always see their true quality which I enjoy.
 
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420engineer

Well-Known Member
I would have thought the prefixing “please excuse my ignorance“ might have given you a clue as to my level of knowledge on glass units, but I can sense the elitism is strong in here, so I'll just make this my last post...
 
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momofthegoons

vapor accessory addict
I would have thought the prefixing “please excuse my ignorance“ might have given you a clue as to my level of knowledge on glass units, but I can sense the elitism is strong in here, so I'll just make this my last post...
I think this is a bit extreme.

It's not elitism. It's simply the non promotion of counterfeit glass. And some of the people here are glass blowers who have had their product ideas ripped off by Chinese blowers who mass produce them with sub grade materials and sell them as originals. It's a touchy subject.
 

darkrom

Great Scott!
I would have thought the prefixing “please excuse my ignorance“ might have given you a clue as to my level of knowledge on glass units, but I can sense the elitism is strong in here, so I'll just make this my last post...

I was trying to be informative and funny at the same time, but not mean at all. I have friends with that EXACT same piece. I was just trying to convey that we aren't overpaying, its a fake, but FWIW its a good value for water filtration, but the quality is different. No harm meant. A lot of people assumed you were saying "its just as good" knowing its a fake. No one meant any ill wishes.
 

ReeferChiefer

Well-Known Member
I would have thought the prefixing “please excuse my ignorance“ might have given you a clue as to my level of knowledge on glass units, but I can sense the elitism is strong in here, so I'll just make this my last post...
I can answer your question without being smug.

I want to address one post specifically here:

"Build quality
Material quality
Pay of the people who build them
Supporting the local economy (for the U.S. folks in this case)"

These are all true, however, the real reason one enjoys smoking out of a rig has nothing to do with those things, and everything to do with function. Yes, you are paying money based on those things, and they should matter, but ultimately a rig is considered a good smoking piece regardless of those things. It is the function that matters and that's why designs from Mothership, Mobius and David Goldstein are replicated so much.

A "china glass" quality bong can still function properly as the original design was intended to. Will it ever be a complete match? Nope. But that's where you take into account the price difference to the function difference. If it functions close enough to the original but not quite like it, I would be willing to pay a lower price for it. Someone brought up an example with cars. Let's say you want to run 9 seconds in a 1/4 mile, there are many different way one can achieve that goal. Spend 200k on a super car, or build a 4k dollar Civic. The goal can be achieved while the quality varying vastly.

I've also bought American glass with "china glass" quality. The stigma about "china glass" isn't necessarily where it's made, but the quality of the product. Paying such a low price you are paying for thinner, more fragile glass, containing more imperfections, sometimes not properly aligned joints, etc. But again, at the end of the day do these things affect function? In my experience, not unless the overall design is really off from the original and/or diffusion design is not the same.

A side note before people get really nasty with me too, this is coming from a guy that has invested thousands of dollars in his collection. My collection includes 3 Mobius glass rigs, Sovereignty, David Goldstein, Seed of Life custom, etc. I appreciate and invest in high quality build/material and support American glass makers. However, I do also purchase cheap "china glass" but I do so only if I see how they function. It is not only worth the money (you literally save $400+) but it gets the job done anyway.

I don't like the negativity coming from this group, the elitism is nasty. I think 420engineer had zero intention to spark any friction or animosity here, it just wasn't deserved at all.
 
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Herr_Dampf

Well-Known Member
I can answer your question without being smug.

I want to address one post specifically here:

"Build quality
Material quality
Pay of the people who build them
Supporting the local economy (for the U.S. folks in this case)"

These are all true, however, the real reason one enjoys smoking out of a rig has nothing to do with those things, and everything to do with function. Yes, you are paying money based on those things, and they should matter, but ultimately a rig is considered a good smoking piece regardless of those things. It is the function that matters and that's why designs from Mothership, Mobius and David Goldstein are replicated so much.

A "china glass" quality bong can still function properly as the original design was intended to. Will it ever be a complete match? Nope. But that's where you take into account the price difference to the function difference. If it functions close enough to the original but not quite like it, I would be willing to pay a lower price for it. Someone brought up an example with cars. Let's say you want to run 9 seconds in a 1/4 mile, there are many different way one can achieve that goal. Spend 200k on a super car, or build a 4k dollar Civic. The goal can be achieved while the quality varying vastly.

I've also bought American glass with "china glass" quality. The stigma about "china glass" isn't necessarily where it's made, but the quality of the product. Paying such a low price you are paying for thinner, more fragile glass, containing more imperfections, sometimes not properly aligned joints, etc. But again, at the end of the day do these things affect function? In my experience, not unless the overall design is really off from the original and/or diffusion design is not the same.

A side note before people get really nasty with me too, this is coming from a guy that has invested thousands of dollars in his collection. My collection includes 3 Mobius glass rigs, Sovereignty, David Goldstein, Seed of Life custom, etc. I appreciate and invest in high quality build/material and support American glass makers. However, I do also purchase cheap "china glass" but I do so only if I see how they function. It is not only worth the money (you literally saved $400+) but it gets the job done anyway.

I don't like the negativity coming from this group, the elitism is nasty. I think 420engineer had zero intention to spark any friction or animosity here, it just wasn't deserved at all.

If you quote me, I'd appriciate it done propperly, especially if you want to adress my specific post.
I apologized for my outburst in thread to the relevant person, I am not exactly sure where you are going with this. Feel free to report my post if you have any further issues with it. Or just ignore me if I am that nasty.
Can we go back to loving glass and vaporizers now?
:peace:
 

ReeferChiefer

Well-Known Member
If you quote me, I'd appriciate it done propperly, especially if you want to adress my specific post.
I apologized for my outburst in thread to the relevant person, I am not exactly sure where you are going with this. Feel free to report my post if you have any further issues with it. Or just ignore me if I am that nasty.
Can we go back to loving glass and vaporizers now?
:peace:
I'm new here and don't quite know how to do things "properly" yet. Where I was going with my post was to distinguish the difference between your post and what is relevant to his question, i.e. function. No need to report anything, and no need for you to be so defensive about everything. You were being nasty but that doesn't mean people should hold you accountable to that forever. I can appreciate apologizing to the other member, I'm happy with that.
 

ReeferChiefer

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