Man quartz is probably tbh a thing of the past for me. Ain't no quartz beating wicking sapphire that is twice as conductive, considerably tastier and easier to cleanWhy would they not want to name the manufacturer of their Ti? There would be no reason not to unless they had something to hide. Transparency's the name of the game here. It should be a badge of honor ... not something to hide.
I know you're a big fan of the d nail quartz because it's machined but get you a Joel Halen trough and you'll never look backLow temp glob city all day
Still I'll have to look at the Joel Halen, always interested in seeing different designs.
This example sums the situation up better than I could ever do it.I get what your saying but not everyone in the business world would agree with you...
Back in the 1990's, my Grandfather was responsible for setting up a new manufacturing plant in Israel for a major US corporation. One of their competitors had recently found a supplier who was using a new manufacturing technique that no one else was able to replicate. For this new plant to be successful it was imperative for them to find and cut a deal with their competitors "secret supplier." The competitor of course hid it well, but they made one mistake... The internet!
The Interwebs was still newish at the time so maybe they didn't entirely fathom the repercussions, but they posted pictures online showing a few shots from inside their new supplier's facility. Closely studying those pictures revealed custom machinery, uniforms, and other details that made locating the "secret supplier" an easy thing.
In the end they not only found and did business with this "secret supplier," they bought the rights to the process and pushed their competitor out! I realize that D-Nail isn't a world renowned corporation with billions on the line, but even at their level corporate espionage exists! Just my
). Or maybe they never were made in the USA or maybe they still are who knows? I am not gonna get all Woodward and Bernstein on this.
I was going to report this earlier but I guess now's as good a time as any.
There are no new techniques or equipment being used on the Ti so that doesn't apply here.
I guess it's just that statement from the D-Nail info page that got me. I haven't had issues with burnt rubber smell (just the typical hot Ti taste from new Ti) but I'm still curious as the Slim Series bases would be my only China equipment other than electronics if they are made there and only tested in the US. And if they are then I'm also curious how consistent the purity of the Ti being used is and how often the purity is tested. I don't think 3 members experiencing weird tastes from their nails right around the same time could be a coincidence
Edit: It's confirmed ... 2016 is the year we leave all this silly metal in the airway behind us. Be ready
I'm sorry but that's not excessive manufacturing oil. Manufacturing oil can be removed with iso in seconds. Torching the Ti would also work to remove excessive manufacturing oil but it wouldn't take 3 excessively long sessions of torching.@KittensTasteYummy glad to hear man, sounds like your unit was unusually a lot more coated in manufacturing oils/residue than others. I wonder if this might be the case for the other examples? Still, I will keep your name on the list and highlight that after an unusual amount of torching, it did get rid of the smell. Thanks for your honest feedback!
My slim series bases had some oil on them too at first but I thoroughly iso washed them, then torched before first use and the smell/oil were gone.
For another example of an unusual excess of manufacturing oils, my sublimator had even more manufacturing oil on it than my slim series back when I got that. I had to torch the atomizer several different shades to get the oil off of it even after a long iso soak.
With all due bro, I have actually gone out of my way to find out for anyone unsure that the metal is US manufactured. That is straight from the CEO of the company who we have no reason to doubt. The tests, even for the last supply are as pure as ti can be reasonably expected (and then probably some). I have been told that the latest labs were purer still but there is no COA uploaded yet - still, they have always had them up in the past as far back as I can remember. The current supplier is brand new and we have to allow reasonable time for D-nail to update the website with the new COA.
Still, anyone claiming that d-nail are using Chinese ti has a burden of proof to satisfy if the claim against D-nail (and their as of yet continually proven track record) is to be taken seriously. So far, we have 3 reports of issues. One has been resolved and appears to be an excess of manufacturing oil on the ti. This leaves us at two reports of smelly ti to be resolved. Neither case has brought to light any evidence to suggest Chinese manufacturing.
. Was planning on going with both the honey hole cap and storm cap, but honey holes still aren't quite ready. Most of the new dabber tools are ready though, although a couple are out of stock. Talked to Josh @ CCA and he said he will get the rest out to me when they come in
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I'm not a salesman if you hadn't noticed man. I really don't appreciate the label, that was not called for and tbh pretty rude to imply. I resent that.
Holy shit, that heater retainer issue seems to me an indicator that it took serious torching to clean off the residue. I will make sure to provide this feedback verbatim next time I speak with d-nail man (only with your permission of course - is it alright for me to do so?).Hey guys, I too was finally able to get the smell to go away. Torched several times for 3-5 minutes and that still didn't help. @rolln_j what finally did it was torching the heat sink until red hot and then dousing in water repeated 3 or 4 times. Definitely sketched out on the smell and a little worried about my lungs after inhaling that 4-5 times but haven't noticed anything debilitating yet so fingers crossed.
Another reason I'm still a little sketched out on the ti is because of the flaking on the heat retainer. I kept it on for an initial torch cleaning session (with the halo as d-nail directed use for the heat retainer) and when I took the nail apart again i noticed the retainer looked a little strange and while flipping it over in my hand a few pieces flaked right off
..now I'm no quartz expert or doctor but to me that doesn't seem ideal. If anyone would like to prove me wrong I'm all ears.
Besides the sketchiness with the heat retainer-which is easily solved by simply removing it from the nail-this set up has been chugging.
Incredible flavor from the quartz and the sapphire insert is another level, had my gf exclaiming "woah woah woah" during her first hit. Overall I'd definitely say I'm more than pleased, looking forward to snagging the SiC after next payday, hope everyone had as melty a new years as myself
Please do! I definitely felt I went above and beyond torching/cleaning but with that smell still there I felt it needed more so on I went. Certainly surprised to see anything from d-nail flake like that but as I said, just took it out and have been pretty golden ever since. (and after torching and dunking)
Definitely man, that must really have been a lot of torching. A butane torch flame will generally have a temp around 1430 centigrade. The melting point of gr1 ti is ~1670 centigrade by comparison. That tiny piece of ti gets red hot quickly as you would have noticed and likely took far too much cumulative heat during torching, leading to the degradation that you saw on the ti washer.
Enjoy that dab my friend, you have earned it after your hard day's torching!
Please note that the previous message from d-nail was ambiguously phrased and I need to correct it. Actually, D-nail cannot accept used carb caps for return if you want to switch straight hole for angled.
I have been informed that the original message was highlighting that carbs must be thoroughly cleaned was actually referring to unused caps, for the reason that sometimes in the past customers have returned unused products which have been left somewhere (probably an oil slick mat or similar) that has led to oil/residue getting onto the otherwise unused product. Mods, please update my previous post to clarify this when you get a chance
Apologies for any confusion, of course the original message in question was not my words and I copied it verbatim from the original communication.
D-nail is grade 1 ti. HE state that their ti is all grade 2 (http://www.highlyeducatedti.com/about/).
D-nail is grade 1 ti. HE state that their ti is all grade 2 (http://www.highlyeducatedti.com/about/).
The HE quartz is rough cut, flame polished quartz which is thinner and less stable grade of quartz. They state that the quartz is machined in the US (http://aqualabtechnologies.com/dab-...ple-14-18-dualiti-quartz-titanium-hybrid.html). It is a smaller dish too. It does not wick your dab around the surface of the dish, so takes longer to vaporize your dab and leaves more unvaped trails after the hit.
The D-nail quartz is made in Germany and a considerably larger dish, it has a wicking surface machined into the dish which allows for very even spreading of your dab across the dish and quicker, tastier vaporization. This wick surface uses a proprietary manufacturing process (and custom manufacturing hardware) and has not been duplicated by any of the competition. It is laser polished and the perfect clarity and smoothness of the non-machined parts of the dish attest to this. The wik finish is also of a very high quality. D-nail quartz is also a higher stability grade of quartz.
I would suggest that the Chinese knock off could reasonably be as good as the HE - no need to get a knock off and the HE. The d-nail offers the most clear benefits imo if the budget allows.
I would suggest if you are using a torch though to use SiC, which is much more durable for torch use and provides better results with torch IME. I have owned both the SiC and Quartz for a long time now and the SiC is the only one I would ever use with a torch personally. It'll cost you less money too
No problems my friend, happy to explain:
No problems my friend, happy to explain:
It is not a higher grade of quartz so much as a higher stability grade. What I mean is that the particular composition of the quartz that d-nail use is more robust due to deliberate selection of this particular kind of fused quartz over the GE semiconductor grade stuff, which is very chemically pure but less suitable for the application. It is not that the HE is dangerous quartz (I have no evidence to suggest such a thing), it is just not as robust and sturdy for the purpose.
EDIT: They are not grades that use the same nomenclature style like ti (there isn't Gr1 or Gr2 quartz for example). Still, there are different compositions/formulas/properties for different grades of fused quartz similarly to different grades of ti
.. It was just a couple of days ago you were telling me "The superior quality" of the Dnail spoke to it being American made before you edited to say Germany. Guess American quartz stops being quality once dnail isn't selecting the "particular composition" of quartz you mentioned?