Is it time to give up vaping?

Diseases spread, yes? So, even if you are replacing all of these cells within 7 years, the elapsed time in which the disease is able to continually progress far surpasses your bodies ability to replace the damaged cells.

Eventually, the disease wins.

I've stated around here that I cough pretty horribly while vaping. I think the expectorant properties of the weed just work really well on me- it's one of the things that bother others more than me. Even so, there's a difference in the cough I have now vs the cough I had as a smoker- along with the shortness of breath and all. I'm also a greedy person and want to milk all the glass instead of being a sipper. I have found that hot water, drinking during a session, and lightening up on my temps all can help cut it back, but not stop it. The tradeoff works for me, but if it's not working for you, understood. All of us are different.

Nosferatu said:

...they say every cell in your body is replaced in 7 years so I don't see how lung damage or any disease for that matter can surpass 7 years?? Or is my thinking mistaken?

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But lets look at cancer.......the #2 killer. What's interesting about cancer is that the reason that it is so deadly is because of cells not dying.

seaofgreens said:

Eventually, the disease wins.

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Depends on the disease eh? In some cases, the disease loses which brings up another thought and that is this. How fucking amazing is the actions of our bodies immune system and how it goes into battle against foreign invaders. Not only does it have backup systems but it has clean-up systems after the battle is won. It really is amazing how it works.

I'm not a religious guy by any means but this is the only thing that makes me wonder if there is something else at play here other than natural evolution. Our bodies are like a well designed fucking machine with tiny soldiers that, for the most part, are armed and ready to go into battle when they sense a threat.

lwien said:

But lets look at cancer.......the #2 killer. What's interesting about cancer is that the reason that it is so deadly is because of cells not dying.



Depends on the disease eh? In some cases, the disease loses which brings up another thought and that is this. How fucking amazing is the actions of our bodies immune system and how it goes into battle against foreign invaders. Not only does it have backup systems but it has clean-up systems after the battle is won. It really is amazing how it works.

I'm not a religious guy by any means but this is the only thing that makes me wonder if there is something else at play here other than natural evolution. Our bodies are like a well designed fucking machine with tiny soldiers that, for the most part, are armed and ready to go into battle when they sense a threat.

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Our bodies are truly amazing....life itself is fragile, but the human body can take more than most people might think and then return itself to its balanced state.

Homeostasis, as I learned a while ago in biology class, stayed stuck in my brain.

Its interesting to relate, that what happens inside our bodies, in a micro scale, happens in the world around us and coincidently in a macro scale, that is the universe.

Chezgreendream said:

Hello everyone, I have experienced something last week that I have never experienced before, when combusting or vaping weed.

I believe it was due to the night before of using my Enano and water tool to take monster hits at the temp range of 7. At 7 it is already roasting the weed, its usually harsh at this temp, but bearable, its somewhere between 410-428 F..... I dont really like vaping for extended periods of time because of privacy and time constraints, so my goal has always been big and fast, as that is what has been working out for me so far.

Though, I think the hit was so big and harsh that during the middle of the hit, I was interrupted by a big cough. I immedeatly felt dryness in my throat accompanied by a scratchy feeling. The next morning I had a sore throat and hacked up some phlegm with fresh blood in it.

This, as you can imagine was very alarming to me.

The blood in the phelgm only happened that day and that one time. Its been a week and although my scratchy dry throat has gotten better, I can still feel some of the after effects, especially when being near a heater.

I know that its not wise asking for medical advice from anyone other than a doctor, but rather I wanted to know if this is a common thing that happens when taking large hits at a high temperature, or should I just give up vaping all together. Frankly, I am having doubts about going back to vaping. Thanks for your attention and suggestions.

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Vaping is NOT the culprit. Vape with a water tool to lessen the harshness and introduce moisture.

Hello everyone, I just wanted to report back on my findings, again thank you everyone for taking the time out to read this thread and post valuable information.

Also thankyou @virtualpurple, @WeedyGirl1979, especially @Iwien who has been advocating the vaping through warmer to even warmer water. I tried it lastnight, after a few days of abstinence and I must say, I love the way the vapor feels and tastes. Its a fuller feeling and smoother experience, I will be definately doing this more often in the future.

Also, I wanted to mention this as it may help others and it certainly helped me. After hours of looking and reading through the FC website, I found a post where someone mentioned to take a spoonful of honey, not the substitute, about an hour before vaping. What he explains that it does is coat the throat. I thought that was very interesting.

Then I thought, if honey coats the throat, then surely olive oil will work in a similar fashion. So What I did was take a spoonful of extra virgin olive oil and what can I tell you. Instant relief of whatever little dryness was left in my throat. I am a big fan of olive oil and this just added to the benefits of it. I dont know why I didnt think of this sooner.

Looking online, olive oil is natural remedy for dry throat and also has properties to suppress pain, so its also good for sore throats and its exactly what it did.
Now, I know some here cant stomach olive oil straight from the bottle, I used to hate it, but gradually got used to it and now I love it, coconut oil may work in a similar fashion, if not better because its thicker.

I also took a spoonful of natural honey after the olive oil, just in case, I love honey anyway and I must say, I love the way my throat feels today, smooth without the slightest of irritation.

I haven't tried honey yet, myself. But I think you got my interest. I've got a large bottle from a friend and I'll put it to some use when I return from my trip!

Maybe that'll be my game plan. Honey pre-session and sipping on some chilled pineapple juice during.

fatbiker said:

Hit it hard! You will be fine.

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Fatbiker what vaped do you use

Hey everyone, I thought I had it figured out, but I just wanted to mention that I am still getting very harsh vapor from my vaporizer. I have been able to handle the extreme dry throat and my throat doesnt hurt anymore. Theres been times though that I had my mouth and tongue numb down to a certain degree. I have tried both my vaporizers, e nano and the volcano and the outcome is the same, very harsh vapor. Though the volcano wasnt harsh on the first bag, but towards the 2nd bag is was pretty harsh and I was using it at 6, like I nornally do and with a water tool.

But, now thinking back on my method of cleaning my vape parts. I know I definately cannot clean vape parts with iso alcohol, because for some reason as much as I rinse and blow dry on high to dry the parts, there always seems to be something left over and which irritate my lungs and stomach. I might be sensitive to it, so I stopped using iso.

I have been using dish soap and warm water for a while, a concentrated kind. Never had issues with it whatsoever. The only thing I can think of, is that this time I used more than I usually do, I cleaned a mason jar, a new grinder and my vape parts with it. I dont know if somewhere along the line there was residue left over which leached into the bud. Hopefully not, but this is my thinking.

I got rid of the stash, just in case and am supposed to be getting something new from a new connect soon. Hopefully that will solve the problemThis is street bud, which of course I dont have any wat to measure if it was cured properly or if theres other chemicals in it and I cant grow my own, due to these dumb laws. I have never had a problem with the stuff I got for this person or cleaning my stash jar or vape parts with dish soap.

I am going to clean my vape parts from now on with vinegar, then rinse it with boiling water. At this point I dont know what else to do, so I wanted to give it one more try before I call it quits. What do you think?

With technology on the ever uptick, and the laws rapidly changing. (Depending on your location) you might want to look at the 'vape pen' delivery as your preferred method.

A family member of mine has hit a similar crossroads as you.
They warbled back and forth from vaping/combustion and quitting/not quitting more times than I would have liked to hear about.

They finally settled on the 'vape pen'. Quick, easy, on demand, and of course less messy/smelly etc..
They have the dispensary at their disposal, so this simplifies the process. (I dont know if this is an option for you)

While I am not a huge fan of concentrates, they are quicker and to the point and can be a 'solution' for some.

@Chezgreendream
I would be surprised if after using iso99 and a hot rinse after, if any residue would remain...are you sure of this???have you see residue under a scope???
Have you tested for it???

Where in the world do you live???

Iv found all sorts of shite on street weed, when closely examined, commonly crushed flourecent tube and sugar water...

I've seen some pretty gross stuff in street weed. Anything from weird looking hairs to bits of fiber and who knows what. I'm thankful for a medical certification, I like organic cannabis - pesticide free.

God only knows how long I smoked this shite before I got wise...
The is the thing with combustion, you stick it in some paper, set light to it, and never see it again...
With vaporisation, the herb is visible to us, letting us see any uncharacteristic behaviour, iv had heb that looked like magnetised iron filing dancing around before....

I don't care if its illegal in the uk, I will be cultivating my own flowers...

Health or law????

Not a choice I should be having to make...

kellya86 said:

@Chezgreendream
I would be surprised if after using iso99 and a hot rinse after, if any residue would remain...are you sure of this???have you see residue under a scope???
Have you tested for it???

Where in the world do you live???

Iv found all sorts of shite on street weed, when closely examined, commonly crushed flourecent tube and sugar water...

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With the iso, the most I have ever have been able to get my hands on is 91% not 99%, but with the 91% I have tested and tried many times my friend. I dont know what the nature behind it is, but if I want bad stomach and airway irritation, I just have to clean my vape parts with it and doesnt matter how much times I rinse, it still happens. No matter if I use alot or alittle bit, straight or diluted, Ive tried many ways.

But now that you mention it, 99% could be way different than 91%, I dont really know the difference, but that could be it. Ima have to see if I get it online and it makes a difference. Im from the East coast in the U.S. and yes it would be very beneficial for me to have my own grow.

I use only high quality iso (99.9%), they guarantee less than 0.1% impurities...
Maybe it's something in the additives that upsets you...as all the alchohol should have flashed off.

May be worth a try...

I would always advise growing if possible, it's the only way to be sure what your getting...
The best flowers iv ever seen have been mine...lovingly grown and carefully cured for top results...
I cure my flowers for at least 3 months, how many dispensaries do that???

Even if it became legal here, I still wouldn't vape any other flowers..

I vaped three strains last night and this morning I am dealing with some chest pain and tightness whenever I inhale deeply. It's a little uncomfortable but enough to make me consider a vape break

go down with temp.
use a bubbler with water
drink a lot while vaping! maybe after every hit...
maybe change the way you draw (try sipping)

good luck

Maybe shake your buds in a jar of water then dry, it can take out chlorophyll and other nasties which can irritate your throat and lungs. As others have said staying hydrated also helps a lot. Vape and sip works

zor said:

I vaped three strains last night and this morning I am dealing with some chest pain and tightness whenever I inhale deeply. It's a little uncomfortable but enough to make me consider a vape break

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Sorry to hear that man, hope you find a solution.

zor said:

I vaped three strains last night and this morning I am dealing with some chest pain and tightness whenever I inhale deeply. It's a little uncomfortable but enough to make me consider a vape break

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You need to buy a inhaler asap, your a cig smoker ?? keep track of your blood pressure those are signs of a heart attack or stroke.

Lets hope @zor isn't a hypochondriac, or you have just scared the crap out of him...

Hahaha, I'm nowhere close to a hypochondriac I'm not a cig smoker, never have been, just have sensitive lungs in general. I feel fine today and that's after having a night of exclusive concentrate fun I decided to try using a glass nail for the first time, and whoooooop it worked.

I'll have to do some more controlled testing but there definitely seems to be something with the strains. Unfortunately, I don't find water filtration to make that much of a difference, nor does drinking anything help either, this isn't in my upper respiratory tract but rather deeper in my lungs.

Nosferatu said:

they say every cell in your body is replaced in 7 years so I don't see how lung damage or any disease for that matter can surpass 7 years?? Or is my thinking mistaken? Also brother chris71 drink mad clean(filtered) water like you never have in your life before, double your daily intake(it will be hard at first) and tell me it doesn't help your asthma/congestion very much!!

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That's not entirely how it works.

If your cells are damaged they might just be replaced by new damaged cells. If we always got brand new pure healthy cells then we'd never age or die.

MeditativeMind said:

That's not entirely how it works.

If your cells are damaged they might just be replaced by new damaged cells. If we always got brand new pure healthy cells then we'd never age or die.

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Aging is a different concept altogether, at least if you're talking about an organism like a human vs individual cells.

There are many, many different types of cells in our bodies, some like neurons or the cilia in your inner ear (high frequency hearing) don't reproduce very quickly, if at all. Cell division is not the only way to repair damaged organs or cells, enzyme cascades and physiological changes within the cell can also affect and repair damage. Disease etiology varies considerably, as do symptoms and causes of death from these diseases.

The immune system is incredibly complex and beautiful, much like our sense of sight, our ability to think (consciousness?), language, etc.