MiniVAP Vaporizer

justcametomind

justcametomind

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Hi guys, some times I remove the bottom screen just to clean it from spilled herbs and such.
In order to put everything back in place you are supposed to move those rings.
 
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I wonder if there is an issue with the seal on my delrin adapter..i made a glass reducer lid with my broken lid and it works great..for some reason the delrin isnt a good of a seal as the wong or the glass reducer lid but i havent tested delrin too much..
 
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Smknbud

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subway13029 said:
I wonder if there is an issue with the seal on my delrin adapter..i made a glass reducer lid with my broken lid and it works great..for some reason the delrin isnt a good of a seal as the wong or the glass reducer lid but i haven't tested Delrin too much..
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Odd. My Delrin adapter fits very snug around the perimeter of the lid and I know the seal is good the way it performs. I have the older version of the Delrin adapter which just sits over the nipple and my biggest complaint with that was that the steel insert was too narrow and the draw was restricted. The newer Delrin adapter that I have that fits over the lid completely has an unrestricted draw, and that's working perfect for me with the J-hook.
Do you have a small rubber o-ring that you could put over/around the nipple and then the Delrin on top of that to maybe see if it is leaking? That o-ring should help tell you that by making a tight seal. Just a thought.


With regards to glass vs Teflon. My glass core hits harder than my Teflon for sure with comparable temp setting, but that's what it was advertised to do and what I expected it to do. And it does. So no surprise there. As for cleaning it, I always use a basket and never put herb directly in the chamber so not once in nearly a year coming up with the Teflon MV have I ever cleaned the interior chamber. And it doesn't need it honestly since it's spotless. The only pain in the ass was if I wanted to use or remove the decarb kit, but I have it permanently set up now with the small metal ring and the large Teflon ring and no reason to change that setup.
 
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justcametomind

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Sweet.
I think of sending it back and ask for Teflon+preinstalled decarb kit.
Then I'll have tried every configuration with the less effort on my part, lol.
I have been offered for replacement no question asked, a check for the temps, I'll decide in a few days.
I came here only to speak about my issues but they provided help for a 2 years old battery I sent them along with my core unit.
They were kind to help me and probably they also changed the cells again without even telling me.
 
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justcametomind

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Can I have some advice guys?
@stickstones @MinnBobber and let's try to summon @Roger D himself.
I just received my updated teflon minivap to glass core. But tastes horrible imho. Harsh in the back of the mouth, like if the flavor is ultra-concentrated and starting to be unpleasant.
I asked them and everything is covered, they just want to know if I want to put teflon back or have a lower temp on the heater with glass core.

If I lower the temp on glass core ,how much? Is there a set degree to be chosen (ie: 3 different positions of the heater upper or lower?) or I have just to ask A TAD lower? Since it's unpleasant already at blurple, as I said, I'm tempted to go back to teflon .. Or sell it?
If I ask to go back to teflon and then want glass back? :D
Decisions.

PS: does anybody got the ecapple iv-1? It's a 60$ vape, at 400°F it has that harsh taste, pulling hard. That's the flavor I am talking about. And it's unacceptable on a top tier model. I think I have to summon @PPN too since he has both the minivap and the ecapple!
Should I send it back and ask lower temp on the glass for the moment?
 
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stickstones

stickstones

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When I got my glass unit the first thing I did after using it once was to lower the calibration as far as it would go. I still got that taste on the highest temp. If what you want is taste, stay away from the glass unit, imo.
 
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lwien

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stickstones said:
When I got my glass unit the first thing I did after using it once was to lower the calibration as far as it would go. I still got that taste on the highest temp. If what you want is taste, stay away from the glass unit, imo.
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I'm curious, sticks. The teflon, while not only tasting better but is also more efficient than the glass unit while still being able to produce huge clouds at will, what advantages would the glass have over the teflon?
 
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Harmoniousliving

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lwien said:
I'm curious, sticks. The teflon, while not only tasting better but is also more efficient than the glass unit while still being able to produce huge clouds at will, what advantages would the glass have over the teflon?
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Faster extraction and larger clouds. The larger clouds could be user dependent though. Material,grind etc.
I would stick with teflon as its less likely to break
 
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lwien

lwien

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Harmoniousliving said:
Faster extraction and larger clouds.
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But I get extraction as fast as I could possibly want with clouds that are larger than my 23 mile a week running lungs can handle.

I know that we all have different requirements but does anyone really need faster extraction and larger clouds than the teflon can provide? I just have a hard time trying to fathom that even if it didn't come at the expense of taste and efficiency.
 
stickstones

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I think the taste being bad was a surprise. But the goal is to provide more decarboxylation effects for a stonier, more relaxing effect for those wanting to manage pain, etc.

Hermes is way past us in understanding cannabis and its differing effects. The glass core is out now for lab testing to see what analytical differences there are in the vapor, and they are developing a medical device that will have standardized doses that can be prescribed. These guys have things going on we know nothing about, but the advantages are finding their way into production units.

You know how people get in too deep with us when we start talking about vape tech? That's how I feel when talking to Hermes about the science of cannabis!
 
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PPN

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justcametomind said:
I think I have to summon @PPN too since he has both the minivap and the ecapple!
Should I send it back and ask lower temp on the glass for the moment?
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Hi, I own the MiniVap since a while but I never own(ed) the e-capple!

Although I still enjoy my MV (teflon) every evening, it is my tasty dry vape to watch the TV, maybe it's not my daily driver but it's my favourite vape, sure!
 
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Harmoniousliving

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lwien said:
But I get extraction as fast as I could possibly want with clouds that are larger than my 23 mile a week running lungs can handle.

I know that we all have different requirements but does anyone really need faster extraction and larger clouds than the teflon can provide? I just have a hard time trying to fathom that even if it didn't come at the expense of taste and efficiency.
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I suppose some out there do. Like you say we are all different a require different ways of vaping.
 
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stickstones

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lwien said:
Couldn't one get the same thing from the teflon merely by cranking up the temp?
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See, now you're gonna feel like me when you talk to Hermes! It seems different chemicals are formed depending on how the heat is applied. I'm telling you, the shit confuses me but makes sense to them. I'm gonna learn it all one day!
 
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stickstones said:
See, now you're gonna feel like me when you talk to Hermes!
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:lol:

But what you said above in regards to the different chemicals that are formed depending on how the heat is applied makes some sense considering that the glass core tastes completely different than the teflon core regardless of temp settings.
 
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Hippie Dickie

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PTFE is 1/4 the thermal conductivity of glass, so there is probably less thermal radiation of the herb in the bowl, from the bowl itself, so the Teflon is mostly (or, more) purely convection. ... maybe ... so bigger hit from the glass, with the additional thermal radiation of the glass, better taste from the Teflon, using only hot air to vaporize the herb.

(or not)
 
MinnBobber

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Like lwien, I really see no advantage at all for the glass over the Teflon, FOR ME, and what I like/want.
I want max flavor and max efficiency--both go to Teflon core.
Even equal I would pick Teflon over glass for durability, in case mV takes a tumble.

Seeing as both units go to 445 F and both have laminar airflow for complete extraction, I find it hard to imagine the "profile of medicine" would be significantly or noticeably different.
The glass might hit harder/quicker with added conduction BUT after red temp on both, I'd guess the total extraction is the same---completely (within reason) extracted.

If anybody is not getting hard enough hits from a Teflon core, you are probably vaping loads 10X times me so I've got "a lot of room to grow" with my Teflon core.

Aesthetics : based on some pics of the glass core here, looks like the Teflon appears more "finished".

Psychedelic factor----goes to the glass core. If the glass does light up from within as someone has said, glass wins the wow cool rating.
 
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Harmoniousliving

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stickstones said:
See, now you're gonna feel like me when you talk to Hermes! It seems different chemicals are formed depending on how the heat is applied. I'm telling you, the shit confuses me but makes sense to them. I'm gonna learn it all one day!
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So crazy. Sounds like something I want to learn more Iof !
 
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justcametomind

justcametomind

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@stickstones I think you refer to the same taste I dislike, being present at every level/color other than blue.
I don't know if try with the lowest as you did, or directly go back to teflon.
I think back to teflon right away is better.
Thanks guys.

@PPN yes it's my movie vape too, or it used to be before I got a Crafty.
Crafty is simpler to operate but it rushes you on a session. It has a 1 minute shut off and usually doesn't detect wispy hits. Hits tend to be big since if it doesn't detect the hit, it will turn off.
But I can't pull a big hit every minute, here's why I want the miniVAP back in rotation.
 
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Mulehead

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lwien said:
I'm curious, sticks. The teflon, while not only tasting better but is also more efficient than the glass unit while still being able to produce huge clouds at will, what advantages would the glass have over the teflon?
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IMO the advantage to the glass core would be to have Hermes or Sticks crank the heat, and use it for concentrates.
That's the first thing that came to my mind when Sticks first told me about the glass core, and the ability to adjust heat.

The Teflon core isn't rated for temps higher than stock set up.
I kind of took it for granted the glass core is a viable option for the concentrate consumer, after having temps increased?
 
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justcametomind said:
How could you crank the heat exactly on a glass unit?
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I'm not sure how to, but this guy @stickstones knows how?
The way I understand it is the new heater is capable of higher temps, with an internal adjustment from trained professionals of course?
The Teflon is not rated for much higher than factory preset, so not an option for TC.
Maybe Sticks will shed some light?
 
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For what I know having owned 16 different vapes, the reason the flavor on the glass core is bad is that it heats up too quickly and there's a lot of conduction going on or "that would like to participate" (the "concentrated" flavor I experienced). Same thing that happens if you take a hit after heating a sativa on a MFLB too much first draw. Same things happens on a ecapple I recently bought that has a very similar "signature". With the difference it costs sixty dollars shipping included.
And the fact that on the ecapple it happens only if you leave the content baking w/ no sipping, on the minivap the "concentrated flavor" happens all the times. With the result that a bowl is better spent on ecapple than on my minivap.

I think we're going back to teflon and a tad lower temp maybe. With the update I halved heating times after all, and I tried this configuration which I don't like.
 
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stickstones

stickstones

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Don't involve yourself with bumping up the temps...just go teflon. The temp bumps are for calibration only and wouldn't push the temps up to dab levels anyhow.

Just for kicks, I used my glass core calibrated as low as it could go last night. I started on low and stepped up to red with a direct pack into the chamber. The taste was never as pure as the teflon unit (which I had just run two loads through before this), but the low temp effects felt more stoney. This is only with a direct pack. When using a basket pack I don't think you get enough conduction for this but, oddly enough, the taste still suffers with a basket pack. The clouds were pretty much gone by the time I got to red.

So I am seeing some different effect from using a basket in the teflon vs a direct pack into glass. Next will be to use the decarb chamber side by side with the glass. I'll do this soon...
 
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justcametomind

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Since I suffered that bad "concentrated" taste by blurple on, and still present at blue, is there any temp configuration you would advise me? Like if I bought the unit from you? I will ask for going back to teflon core, and thanks for your tests. There is any heater setting I can ask to toggle?
I settled for years on what perhaps was a very cold teflon minivap and that spoiled me on flavor.
I hoped it was possible to trade some flavor in exchange for a lot more vapor, instead it seemed to me the exchange was for a lot of flavor less for an irrelevant increment in vapor since it tasted not as it should.
Many thanks.
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Since I will reship to go back to teflon,
1)Should I add a decarb kit just to try it?
2)Being a flavor chaser should I add any request about a "lowered positioned" heater this time?
I'd love not to pull too much in the case I want to kill a bowl like my ancient heater minivap forced me to sometimes, that for sure.
Given the case, is it better to stay away from the decarb kit? (summoning @stickstones ...again).:borg::bowdown:
 
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