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florduh said:

Yes. My (and many others') purpose behind all of this is to fill cartridges at a lower cost than dispensary pre-fills. You can often make a stronger product as well. The O.Pen style carts are popular on this thread and the generic "Bud" carts are available cheaply as well.

You can purchase dispensary wax and mix it with Puff Majic or any of the other available mixers. I personally use Connoisseur Concentrates' Solution but that is a bit expensive if you're just starting out.

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zor said:

If I'm not mistaken, the Open vape you're talking about are what we've been discussing when we say "o.pen", yeah, you can refill them very easily!

edit: curses, beaten by florduh

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Thanks guys! I know my stuff about dabs, but pens are a totally new world for me, and a more affordable way to use concentrate to refill my dispensary carts is just what I need!

It's a great way to control the strength of each puff of your concentrate, and how long it lasts, just by adjusting the ratio of your mix. Works great both ways, if you want to make stronger juice than what's in the dispensary bought carts, or if you just want to thin down your concentrate to make it last longer.

Ok, have some CC Solution on the way. I eventually gave up on the EJ Mix thing -- it got kludgy in the cold and the flavor just finally wore away at me. Hoping CC solution does the trick.

But what should I be vaping it with though? I see some information regarding cartridges cracking, so I assume that I want glass. But I'm also guessing that the silicon washers in the Nautilus Mini will get eaten apart by the CC. Anyone have a best practice cart for working with this?

ollent said:

Ok, have some CC Solution on the way. I eventually gave up on the EJ Mix thing -- it got kludgy in the cold and the flavor just finally wore away at me. Hoping CC solution does the trick.

But what should I be vaping it with though? I see some information regarding cartridges cracking, so I assume that I want glass. But I'm also guessing that the silicon washers in the Nautilus Mini will get eaten apart by the CC. Anyone have a best practice cart for working with this?

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**EDIT: I mistook your question. I haven't heard anyone talking yet about the effect of CC on tanks with silicon washers. Seems most people have been using it in those carts so far. Good point though, that could cause issue. Try it out and let us know?

So no reason I couldn't use my existing Nautilus Mini? Is there a good reason to go with the Protank 3 instead?

I think the K1 is just smaller, cheaper, may have a smaller atomizer. Could be something cheap just to test with. I'm not using CC so I haven't had issue with silicon rings in the glass tanks I've used so far. I haven't seen it talked about as an issue yet on this thread, but maybe no one's using it in tanks yet.

florduh said:

I believe CC uses a small amount of alcohol as a carrier for the terpenes. This may sound bad but even some nicotine juice manufacturers use alcohol based flavorings. It tends not to be a big deal because it is a small part of the overall mixture.

My experience has been by following the directions for mixing CC using heat, most of the alcohol must evaporate because I notice no overly harsh throat hits. Occasionally there is a slightly scratchy throat feeling, but it is more akin to when I was using straight wax in a pen. I notice harsher hits with any of the PEG based mixers.

As for CC destroying plastic tanks, it is important to remember even some nicotine juices are known as "tank busters" when using plastic. Generally these are darker e-juices. Maybe plastic isn't the best option for THC juice? If you like disposable carts I'd suggest the glass, "wickless", Bud Nano's. I've had a great experience with them. No major leakage. I have noticed occasionally there is a bit of oil residue on the battery connection, but it is a small fraction of a drop.

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THC juice in plastic carts is most definitely OK as Buddy alone is pumping out 500K of these a month at least and have been for a while with no complaints regarding that issue. Alcohol won't burn off until your temps reache 100c and you're nowhere near that so if they are indeed using alcohol it's not evaporating. I'm not sure what they are using but I suspect it's alcohol or something worse. They seem a little sketch to me as they are really fond of knocking any and all other solvents to dilute THC oil but are very tight lipped on what they are using ............. which judging by it's properties and reactions .......... does not give me any comfort it is a safer way to go. Then there's the cost .............which is a joke actually.

Happy Jack said:

THC juice in plastic carts is most definitely OK as Buddy alone is pumping out 500K of these a month at least and have been for a while with no complaints regarding that issue. Alcohol won't burn off until your temps reache 100c and you're nowhere near that so if they are indeed using alcohol it's not evaporating. I'm not sure what they are using but I suspect it's alcohol or something worse. They seem a little sketch to me as they are really fond of knocking any and all other solvents to dilute THC oil but are very tight lipped on what they are using ............. which judging by it's properties and reactions .......... does not give me any comfort it is a safer way to go. Then there's the cost .............which is a joke actually.

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I'm not saying plastic carts aren't ok. I'm wondering if they're ideal. And I can't find a single reason why using a plastic tank is superior to glass unless you are exceedingly clumsy. Again, I just wanted to point out that many nicotine juices crack plastic tanks, and it has nothing to do with volatile chemicals being added to the mixture.

I'm also not sure how you figure warming the solution with an open flame per CC's instructions doesn't lead to alcohol evaporating (its boiling point is 78c... not 100c). Sure, there would still be alcohol left in the resulting solution but some would absolutely evaporate.

Maybe I'm not following CC closely enough, but my impression isn't that they are knocking PEG based mixers maliciously... They are simply saying their solution is superior. And after using Puff Majic/EJ and experiencing uncomfortable throat hits and a nasty aftertaste... I tend to agree, as do a few others on this thread.

Can't say I'm a fan of the price, and I don't think it's perfect, but it is superior to Puff Majic/EJ Mix in my experience.

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I'm not saying plastic carts aren't ok. I'm wondering if they're ideal. And I can't find a single reason why using a plastic tank is superior to glass unless you are exceedingly clumsy. Again, I just wanted to point out that many nicotine juices crack plastic tanks, and it has nothing to do with volatile chemicals being added to the mixture.

I'm also not sure how you figure warming the solution with an open flame per CC's instructions doesn't lead to alcohol evaporating (its boiling point is 78c... not 100c). Sure, there would still be alcohol left in the resulting solution but some would absolutely evaporate.

Maybe I'm not following CC closely enough, but my impression isn't that they are knocking PEG based mixers maliciously... They are simply saying their solution is superior. And after using Puff Majic/EJ and experiencing uncomfortable throat hits and a nasty aftertaste... I tend to agree, as do a few others on this thread.

Can't say I'm a fan of the price, and I don't think it's perfect, but it is superior to Puff Majic/EJ Mix in my experience.

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I haven't used Puff Majic/EJ so I can't compare but I trust what you say is true.

Regarding the tanks, glass will never be practical from a disposable standpoint nor a cost standpoint for throw aways. I think any and all plastic tank failures are simply defects in manufacturing. Believe it or not ........... there are wildly varying degrees of manufacturing standards amongst the Chinese companies making the same product. I have been in these factories and have seen this firsthand. It's not easy finding the ones that are actually putting anything back into R&D ..... but there are a few good ones.

As far as CC I have no axe to grind with them other than there is something I feel odd about their diluent.... like it's just a bit too caustic just by the fact it doesn't even require heat to dissolve an extract.... If it can do that ......... what's it gonna do to your lungs? Perhaps this is simply a trait of terpene diluents ............ I don't know.

Happy Jack said:

I hardly used any heat at all...... in fact you really don't need any heat to dissolve this dilutant (which again concerns me some). In the Blueberry and Strawberry samples, I simply added 0.3 grams of solution in each, used no heat and simply left them overnight. In the morning I just mixed them up with a stir rod. I will admit though that my base concentrate is a very low viscosity BHO that in it's natural state looks and acts like molasses so it really does not take much to make it diluted enough. I also did a sample using 0.2 grams of dilutant and will load that up in a cart to try next.

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Im pretty sure both Blueberry and Strawberry contain PG.

The Flavored line is a blend of Organic Terpenes supplemented with a minor amounts of Engineered Flavorings, like BlueBerry and Bubble Gum. The Flavoring amount used is small, and the flavoring itself has a small amount of Propylene Glycol (PG) the flavoring company uses as a carrier agent. The flavoring agents themselves are certified for human consumption, along with all of the sub-ingredients.

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source: https://www.mrextractor.com/solution/formula-documentation/



Also, I too believe it contains alcohol. When mixing a batch recently i had it sort of catch on fire and go back into the vial like it was fumes

Is there a way we can send a sample off to a lab independently? I would not be opposed if someone just instructed me how to do it and what flavor/s to send?

chainz said:

I too believe it contains alcohol.

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It contains something that evaporates quickly.The Instructions on the site say:
"Be careful not to over heat your solution. Not only will it darken your oil, it can evaporate out the solution, and what you thought was the correct mixture will now be too thick. Realize that once you have heated it hot enough to melt together your extract and solution, it stays that hot and will cook your mixture. Slower and less heat is better until you get an eye for it. Just take your time until you have a little experience."

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Also, I too believe it contains alcohol. When mixing a batch recently i had it sort of catch on fire and go back into the vial like it was fumes[/QUOTE]

Baloney.

Happy Jack said:

As far as CC I have no axe to grind with them other than there is something I feel odd about their diluent.... like it's just a bit too caustic just by the fact it doesn't even require heat to dissolve an extract.... If it can do that ......... what's it gonna do to your lungs? Perhaps this is simply a trait of terpene diluents ............ I don't know.

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If you are producing cartridges in bulk for medical patients/customers I can see plastic being more cost effective. If you are simply making them for personal use it becomes less clear. You don't even need to use disposables. The Aspire K1 has been a good glass cart and you just replace the atty. A few pre-fill manufacturer's use glass disposables too (WVapes, and I think Liquid Gold has a line that uses glass).

Maybe it is just my inner hippy talking but constantly heating plastic while vaping didn't seem the healthiest. But this is probably alarmist.

As for CC mixing at room temperature.... maybe I am just using extra stiff starting material but that was not my experience at all! I have to use heat for sure and find it much more difficult to mix than Puff Majic.

The solution catching fire isn't good news. I'm a little surprised though. My first time I used way too much heat (their directions say to use a lighter or candle flame.... I don't think that is smart) and my oil got super dark. If CC was prone to catching fire... that batch should have exploded.

I'm not doubting anyone's negative experience... just saying it sounds very different than mine. It would be nice if someone from Mr Extractor could comment on this thread.

So is CC regarded as being the best option for you guys right now? Just got myself a k1 and going to be buying a mix soon. Just wondering if I should bother with the others like vapeur or just go str8 for that pricey CC goodness. TIA

For me, I prefer CC. I've tried PuffMajic, EJMix, and I've added Pan's Ink to CC (didn't like). But I haven't tried Holy Terp, nor any other solution.

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So is CC regarded as being the best option for you guys right now? Just got myself a k1 and going to be buying a mix soon. Just wondering if I should bother with the others like vapeur or just go str8 for that pricey CC goodness. TIA

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If you can swing the price than CC tastes and performs better than any other product on the market. Its not even close. It is a new product and there is a lot we don't know about it though fwiw. Ultimately any Puff Majic, EJ, any homemade mix is just going to lead to disappointment if your are at all picky about how you medicate. They all burn and they all taste bad (fake).

Just a heads up for anyone thinking about a new tank, the Joyetech Cubis looks very interesting as it should be pretty much leak-proof. Not sure if it's been released yet but it could be a game-changer.

As for burning/tasting bad, I can't speak for all of them but I haven't had that with Vapeur Extract at all, so you don't need to spend loads on CC if you don't want to. If you're getting a burnt/dry taste with Vapeur Extract, it's probably due to your device not wicking well enough and causing a dry hit.

I made my last mix at 1:1 with VE and it's still much, much thicker than any nicotine e-liquid I've seen. From what I've read, making CC at 1:1 would be a much thinner liquid so I guess you can get away with using a device/coils without such good wicking as the liquid will be more similar to what these devices are actually made for.

I found the flavorless VE to have a plastic like taste if you mix thinner than 1:1 (the cannabis flavor in the concentrate eventually can't overpower the peg/pg/vg taste). I didn't try any of the flavored versions of the original VE though. Their new Holy Terp line is pretty good, even when mixed thin with lots of liquid (2:1). I've vaped a number of tanks with a couple of the Holy Terp flavors now. It's probably the best cheaper alternative to CC.

I haven't tried CC yet though so I can't compare directly. I'm not sure anyone here has compared CC to Holy Terp yet. I'd love to know how they stack up!

Baz said:

Just a heads up for anyone thinking about a new tank, the Joyetech Cubis looks very interesting as it should be pretty much leak-proof. Not sure if it's been released yet but it could be a game-changer.

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I've been looking at that one. It's a cool design. I love the subohm design direction of vaping. I'm using a Kanger Subvod kit right now with their new toptank. The giant wick holes, combined with the huge coil and the massive air flow vents make for amazingly cool and flavorful vapor. It's awesome to pull as hard as you want and get big cool clouds with no throat irritation. But ya, you blaze through your liquid really fast so you have to thin it way down. I go like 2:1 (mix:concentrate) and even a little higher. I've used a 0.5ohm atomizer and a 1.5ohm atomizer with it. The clouds with the 0.5 are ridiculous. With 1.5 it's more like using a small dispo pen (good for daily use). I just got back from 2 days of concerts using the 0.5ohm atomizer. So fun to pass to people and watch their reaction when they blow out a cloud the size of a car, get high as a kite, and not even feel like they'd inhaled a toke. Everyone get's this 'what the hell just happened!?' look.

Well dang. I bought a eLeaf Melo TC SubOhm a few months back for use with nicotine juice. I actually disliked it. For some reason the taste of my regular juice wasn't enjoyable. I went back to a regular 1.5 ohm tank. After reading the positive reviews of THC juice in sub ohm tanks, I decided to at least give it a whirl.

I threw some weak, months old juice made with Puff Majic in it. I never used it because I've been enjoying the CC Solution so much.

Holy. Shit.

Three hits and I am stupid high. Writing this is literally the most difficult thing I've ever done. The taste is great on a product I previously thought was shit. I get a little bit of the weird, PEG throat hit feeling at higher temps, but it is totally tolerable now (more of a dry feeling in the back of the throat). And this juice is weak. 1:3 or weaker. But it got me where I wanted to be (actually, way further) in about 3 pulls.

I agree, the open airflow and huge intakes on the atty is making this an awesome experience. I am running a .15 ohm nickel atty. The temperature control option is cool too. If it's accurate, one could be more precise when trying to access different cannabinoids from their oil

florduh said:

Well dang. I bought a eLeaf Melo TC SubOhm a few months back for use with nicotine juice. I actually disliked it. For some reason the taste of my regular juice wasn't enjoyable. I went back to a regular 1.5 ohm tank. After reading the positive reviews of THC juice in sub ohm tanks, I decided to at least give it a whirl.

I threw some weak, months old juice made with Puff Majic in it. I never used it because I've been enjoying the CC Solution so much.

Holy. Shit.

Three hits and I am stupid high. Writing this is literally the most difficult thing I've ever done. The taste is great on a product I previously thought was shit. I get a little bit of the weird, PEG throat hit feeling at higher temps, but it is totally tolerable now (more of a dry feeling in the back of the throat). And this juice is weak. 1:3 or weaker. But it got me where I wanted to be (actually, way further) in about 3 pulls.

I agree, the open airflow and huge intakes on the atty is making this an awesome experience. I am running a .15 ohm nickel atty. The temperature control option is cool too. If it's accurate, one could be more precise when trying to access different cannabinoids from their oil

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Nice! I'm glad it's not just my imagination. It just sort of makes sense. The smaller the setup, the smaller the airflow has to be so it won't snuff the small burner, therefore the vapor is harsh. Bigger setup, bigger airflow balanced with bigger burner, resulting in smoother vapor. The .15 must be a little crazy! Interesting thought on targeted temps....

I am loving using this sub ohm gear that's intended for large flow and big clouds. This totally requires an acceptance of vaping e-juice though.

I've noticed most people experimenting with thc juice fall into two categories:

• Those diluting their concentrate as little as possible (only as a necessary evil) to be able to use carts and tanks. They are averse to e-juice (peg/pg/vg). Their goal is a small, stealth pen to use to take very few, small, strong puffs. A practical tool for specific consumption circumstances.

• Those who use carts and tanks as an opportunity to dilute their concentrates and replace their primary consumption method. Not averse to e-juice (peg/pg/vg). Their goal is a casual use device to use to session multiple puffs in many circumstances.

Basically 'hit ingestion' vs 'session ingestion'? Both approaches and the intentions behind them make sense to me.

I would highly advise anyone in category 2 to check out subohm gear if you're in the mood to drop a little cash on a gadget. If you're not averse to ejuice, it's a super fun way to enjoy your concentrates. Just dilute it down to compensate for the increased rate and volume that will be vaped with each hit on the bigger gear. The Holy Terp mix is sort of perfect for this as their recommended ratio is 2:1 (mix:concentrate) and the mix has nice cannabis flavors. Doing this with CC would probably be a waste (best use that for category 1).

For anyone like me that doesn't nic vape and doesn't follow any of this gear, the Kanger SUBVOD Starter Kit that I'm trying seems like a decent, cheap, beginner, idiot proof, subohm device with purchasable replacement coils in .2, .5, 1.2, and 1.5ohm (search for better prices on both). I get a little minor leaking around the airholes, but I wipe the drip tip and holes often and keep them closed when not in use. No complaints so far otherwise and I've gone through several action days with it in my pockets with no problems. Aspire makes a starter kit for the Atlantis also (make sure it's the Atlantis 2 subohm kit), but it's twice the price. Joytech has a cheap starter kit as well (again, make sure it's the subohm one). This stuff evolves fast, the subohm gear has been super commercialized already so there's lots out there under $50.

I don't want to hype it like it's the greatest thing ever and everyone should stop what they're doing, but it's certainly cool. I'm glad I ended up in this direction.

randomtoker said:

I would highly advise anyone in category 2 to check out subohm gear if you're in the mood to drop a little cash on a gadget. If you're not averse to ejuice, it's a super fun way to enjoy your concentrates.

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Totally agree- I took it a step further and got set up on an RDA (though I'm clearly in the second category you mentioned)
If massive, smooth lung hits are what you want, sub-ohm is what you get!

randomtoker said:

Nice! I'm glad it's not just my imagination. It just sort of makes sense. The smaller the setup, the smaller the airflow has to be so it won't snuff the small burner, therefore the vapor is harsh. Bigger setup, bigger airflow balanced with bigger burner, resulting in smoother vapor. The .15 must be a little crazy! Interesting thought on targeted temps....

I am loving using this sub ohm gear that's intended for large flow and big clouds. This totally requires an acceptance of vaping e-juice though.

I've noticed most people experimenting with thc juice fall into two categories:

• Those diluting their concentrate as little as possible (only as a necessary evil) to be able to use carts and tanks. They are averse to e-juice (peg/pg/vg). Their goal is a small, stealth pen to use to take very few, small, strong puffs. A practical tool for specific consumption circumstances.

• Those who use carts and tanks as an opportunity to dilute their concentrates and replace their primary consumption method. Not averse to e-juice (peg/pg/vg). Their goal is a casual use device to use to session multiple puffs in many circumstances.

Basically 'hit ingestion' vs 'session ingestion'? Both approaches and the intentions behind them make sense to me.

I would highly advise anyone in category 2 to check out subohm gear if you're in the mood to drop a little cash on a gadget. If you're not averse to ejuice, it's a super fun way to enjoy your concentrates. Just dilute it down to compensate for the increased rate and volume that will be vaped with each hit on the bigger gear. The Holy Terp mix is sort of perfect for this as their recommended ratio is 2:1 (mix:concentrate) and the mix has nice cannabis flavors. Doing this with CC would probably be a waste (best use that for category 1).

For anyone like me that doesn't nic vape and doesn't follow any of this gear, the Kanger SUBVOD Starter Kit that I'm trying seems like a decent, cheap, beginner, idiot proof, subohm device with purchasable replacement coils in .2, .5, 1.2, and 1.5ohm (search for better prices on both). I get a little minor leaking around the airholes, but I wipe the drip tip and holes often and keep them closed when not in use. No complaints so far otherwise and I've gone through several action days with it in my pockets with no problems. Aspire makes a starter kit for the Atlantis also (make sure it's the Atlantis 2 subohm kit), but it's twice the price. Joytech has a cheap starter kit as well (again, make sure it's the subohm one). This stuff evolves fast, the subohm gear has been super commercialized already so there's lots out there under $50.

I don't want to hype it like it's the greatest thing ever and everyone should stop what they're doing, but it's certainly cool. I'm glad I ended up in this direction.

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I'm going to test for a week before making any definitive statements but so far the subOhm tank has been my favorite THC juice experience. Personally, I don't care if I need to dilute my juice as much as possible, or only the minimum amount. My bigger concern is does the setup WORK. Meaning does it medicate without any burnt taste, wicking issues, etc.

I'm using the .15 ohm atty in Temp Control mode. So it isn't necessarily as intense as that sounds. I ran it at 350, 390, and 410 Fahrenheit. So it doesn't have to mean blowing enormous clouds. Unless you want to.

The Kanger SUBVOD looks cool. I do like that you can use a 1.5 ohm atty. I'm pretty sure the eLeaf Melo only accepts subOhm. I'll throw up an alternative link if someone wanted to get into TC affordably. This is the same tank I'm using. I haven't seen it leak yet and I had it half filled with nic juice in a drawer for months. If you use the coupon code NOVEMBER the price for a 60w Temp Control mod and the Melo tank comes out to $41. I paid $20 for just the tank a while back.

http://www.rockymountainvapor.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=88_94&products_id=443

i think its time to move away from puff majic and try this holy terp stuff in my crown uwell tank. puff majic tasted harsh in my k1 when i dilute it enough to flow well, usually 2.5:1, so i never tried it in my uwell. didnt want to waste my precious concentrate.

i wanted to give CC a try, but the price is just ridiculous.

do the "effects" described for each flavor of holy terp actually do anything, or make a difference? or should i just choose a taste profile that seems appealing?

Grim Chiclets said:

Totally agree- I took it a step further and got set up on an RDA (though I'm clearly in the second category you mentioned)
If massive, smooth lung hits are what you want, sub-ohm is what you get!

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This is cool. I'm imagining that I'll move in that direction next. There's even less disposable waste involved with rebuildable systems. I'd like to get away from these disposable manufactured atomizer coils. Lots to learn there though, but it's interesting stuff so I'm curious.

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I'll throw up an alternative link if someone wanted to get into TC affordably. This is the same tank I'm using. I haven't seen it leak yet and I had it half filled with nic juice in a drawer for months. If you use the coupon code NOVEMBER the price for a 60w Temp Control mod and the Melo tank comes out to $41. I paid $20 for just the tank a while back.

http://www.rockymountainvapor.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=88_94&products_id=443

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Nice one! Good price too for starting out. Ya, the Subvod has no temp control, just 3.7v. Seems like a good price for that iStick there. Just from looking at pics, I notice the wick holes on the Kanger heads seem even bigger than what's in the Melo tank's heads.

EC heads (used in the MELO 2):


Kanger SSOCC heads (used in the subtank and toptank):

nikcorda said:

do the "effects" described for each flavor of holy terp actually do anything, or make a difference? or should i just choose a taste profile that seems appealing?

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I made a 'mini review' of the flavors I've tried in this post. I don't know if I can give a definitive answer yet. I'm usually sensitive to secondary effects. I feel differences between bud strains (particularly between indicas and sativas, but also between strains within each). However, I generally don't feel those differentiating effects as much with concentrates as flowers.

I've tried mixing 2 Holy Terp flavors with 3 different concentrates now, all 3 were cheaply made OG varieties ($20/g from the dispensary). I mixed with the Philosopher flavor (which appears to have pinene), and the Couch Lock flavor (which appears to have myrcene). Each should have a somewhat opposite effect as pinene is the terpene common in sativas with creative/energetic secondary effects, and myrcene is the terpene common in indicas with sleepy/sedating secondary effects. I haven't really felt much difference between any of the mixes I've done. It's possible the OG concentrates that I've used for all mixes (which are sedating by nature as strong indicas) are overpowering any possible pinene secondary effects though. I will say that the juice is more satisfying regardless than when I was mixing concentrate in the plain, flavorless EV without terpenes.

**EDIT: I totally agree with @VEGASMMJ regarding taste though. Once you start diluting your concentrate at all you've given up on optimal flavor and now we're really just talking about trying to get the most tolerable compromise. I doubt anything will be as naturally flavorful as a minimal mix with CC, but there are other benefits to creating a more diluted mix so I've kept pursuing it.