Mister G
Deceptively Old Fart
Me too. Months ago, they claimed "thousands per week" was imminent...coupled with this production time measurement, something does not compute, very funny math.
Par for the course, really.
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Me too. Months ago, they claimed "thousands per week" was imminent...coupled with this production time measurement, something does not compute, very funny math.
Par for the course, really.
Gregori
CannaBoss
Thousands per week... Lol. Moreover they said there was 300 left which I don't believe as a déc 13 backer. Just check the campagne tracker. Even if there was only 300 Ti (which is not the case), it would make 300x150$=45000$. That's less than just the last day of Igg campaign (déc 15). Ergo, the 300 number doesn't fit.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xrftA0OlKujC0dR1d6AJkOh1iJx631c2c3tDMBn3BAk/htmlview#gid=23
Maybe they made another mistake or did it on purpose.
But after all, I think we are all just mean people. And we aren't able to understand what they write (proof is the poll results on the head of this thread). Poor GHL. Everybody gets them wrong but it's not their fault. Capice ?
Plus, they have simply been guilty of repeated misguided optimism.
Stop baching them for not doing what they say, nor saying what they do!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xrftA0OlKujC0dR1d6AJkOh1iJx631c2c3tDMBn3BAk/htmlview#gid=23
Maybe they made another mistake or did it on purpose.
But after all, I think we are all just mean people. And we aren't able to understand what they write (proof is the poll results on the head of this thread). Poor GHL. Everybody gets them wrong but it's not their fault. Capice ?
Plus, they have simply been guilty of repeated misguided optimism.
Stop baching them for not doing what they say, nor saying what they do!
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vapviking
Old & In the Way
What I see and understand is that some have made a speculative investment that has not paid off and continually write here about the disappointment.
Having lost much larger sums in some dumb ways in the past, I'm not losing too much sleep over $200 from a long time ago, that actually still has potential to pay me back handsomely.
"Attachment is the root of all suffering."
zymos
Well-Known Member
Oh OK, it's MY fault for taking their statements at face value and not "reading between the lines".
Of course- I'M being misguidedly optimistic when THEY deliberately change my estimated ship date to November- any fool should know that they don't REALLY mean November, because the supply chain.
Thanks for clearing that up for me, I feel a lot better about the whole thing now.
Of course- I'M being misguidedly optimistic when THEY deliberately change my estimated ship date to November- any fool should know that they don't REALLY mean November, because the supply chain.
Thanks for clearing that up for me, I feel a lot better about the whole thing now.
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shadymilkman
Well-Known Member
What I'm saying is, at this point given their history, what motivates you to believe them.. every update is doublespeak. No estimate has been correct, for anyone.
The product exists, and I'll get one... the rest isn't worth the stress, life is short.
The product exists, and I'll get one... the rest isn't worth the stress, life is short.
This is exactly the sort of sideways comment I have been warning people to stop posting. If I see another comment like this from you (or anyone else) I will hand out a warning point. Stop trying to be cute.
fft
Well-Known Member
Hope everyone had great holidays. Based on the traffic both here and on reddit, it sounds like there have been no new confirmations sent out by GHL in the last week. Either they've taken the week off and/or shipments are bottlenecked have come to a complete halt. I'm guessing the former. I'm still waiting on my Ti Gray + SS hoppers ...Dec 12 backer and waiting for the address confirmation.
Gregori
CannaBoss
Jan 01 2016 update
Hey Everyone,
We are into the new year and working on shipping the last remaining backer Grasshoppers. With the slower holiday production finished, we will be back up to capacity this coming week. January will be a busy month as we make the transition to fulfilling pre-orders, add more equipment and further increase our assembly numbers.
We are excited to be bringing PCB (printed circuit board) assembly in-house later this month. A state-of-the-art pick and place machine will put components onto circuit boards using a computer vision alignment system. Having this machine in our facility will eliminate lengthy lead times and increase circuit board reliability. This is a big step toward our goal of fast, flexible manufacturing.
While the last backers wait to receive their Grasshoppers, we have started to turn our attention to the outstanding accessories. Over the last two years we have been focused on delivery of the core unit, only spending a fraction of our time on accessory design. We are now dedicating time to the completion of the extra cases, oils-end, and water pipe adapter.
There are many challenges remaining but we are pleased to already have so many Grasshoppers out in the world. We are looking forward to getting the last ones out the door.
We’ll return on the 15th with another update.
The Grasshopper Team
Hey Everyone,
We are into the new year and working on shipping the last remaining backer Grasshoppers. With the slower holiday production finished, we will be back up to capacity this coming week. January will be a busy month as we make the transition to fulfilling pre-orders, add more equipment and further increase our assembly numbers.
We are excited to be bringing PCB (printed circuit board) assembly in-house later this month. A state-of-the-art pick and place machine will put components onto circuit boards using a computer vision alignment system. Having this machine in our facility will eliminate lengthy lead times and increase circuit board reliability. This is a big step toward our goal of fast, flexible manufacturing.
While the last backers wait to receive their Grasshoppers, we have started to turn our attention to the outstanding accessories. Over the last two years we have been focused on delivery of the core unit, only spending a fraction of our time on accessory design. We are now dedicating time to the completion of the extra cases, oils-end, and water pipe adapter.
There are many challenges remaining but we are pleased to already have so many Grasshoppers out in the world. We are looking forward to getting the last ones out the door.
We’ll return on the 15th with another update.
The Grasshopper Team
vapviking
Old & In the Way
As usual, not very much substance in this update. Could have left it at the first paragraph, but for some news of a future machine and revival of the accessory design process. I do appreciate hearing from them, and he does offer some optimism, but,
"We are looking forward to getting the last ones out the door."
Okay, the end of the Campaign is in sight, but as a pre-orderer I wish he'd have spun that differently, maybe a little more forward-looking?
I'd suggest that as they transition to being a real company, maybe someone who's good with PR should be employed. Opening or closing with a Happy New Year! might be a nice touch, for starters.
This being a critique of the Update only.
Beyond this, I wish GHL all a Happy and abundant flawless Grasshopper producing New Year!
and to combustion fuckers everywhere, a belated Happy and abundant cloud producing New Year!
oh. I guess everyone else, too...
"We are looking forward to getting the last ones out the door."
Okay, the end of the Campaign is in sight, but as a pre-orderer I wish he'd have spun that differently, maybe a little more forward-looking?
I'd suggest that as they transition to being a real company, maybe someone who's good with PR should be employed. Opening or closing with a Happy New Year! might be a nice touch, for starters.
This being a critique of the Update only.
Beyond this, I wish GHL all a Happy and abundant flawless Grasshopper producing New Year!
and to combustion fuckers everywhere, a belated Happy and abundant cloud producing New Year!
oh. I guess everyone else, too...
dac13
Well-Known Member
Does anyone know how many preorders there are? I just find it interesting that their estimated ship date for new orders is February when they haven't even started shipping preorders. I preordered August 2015, and although mine is estimated for January 2016, I know that given others experience I probably won't receive it this month, but I am curious as to how many preorders they have had up til now. and i just hope they aren't trying to string people along by always saying shipment is only one month away until that month arrives.
Bass Vaper
Well-Known Member
I don't see how anyone can provide a worthwhile answer on how many preorders there are unless it's a Hopper staff member.
I'm an early Feb 2015 preorder & I know I'm super stoked for my Dec 2015 ship date!
WakeAndVape
VapeLife X
Did yours ship?
Bass Vaper
Well-Known Member
I have a friend's Hopper for temporary period of time. My orders say Dec 2015 for shipping. So, I haven't received mine yet, just have a loaner while he's out of town.
fft
Well-Known Member
The update was only sent to backers which is probably why they are spinning it toward that audience.
But agree it wasn't the meatiest update we've seen from those guys.
Gregori
CannaBoss
How dare you ?! They have simply been guilty of repeated misguided optimism. That's it.
BTW my shipping is estimate for novembre 2015 since the update shipping.
[Screenshot deleted]More than a month ago, I was given a heads up my order would ship in décembre.
If they wasn't simply guilty of repeated misguided optimism, I would begin to doubt their words.
Because otherwise it'd look like they are trying to string people along by always saying shipment is only one month away until that month arrives.
Hopefully I'm not that kind of mean person.
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zymos
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So after months and months of them struggling to assemble prefabricated parts into functioning units, now they go and buy their own pick and place machine?!
Like THAT'S not going to have a learning curve? There are loads of small companies making primarily electronic products (i.e. where the circuit board itself is actually the main component) that don't even do this, and just farm it out to the pros. Seems like a wack move on their part...
Like THAT'S not going to have a learning curve? There are loads of small companies making primarily electronic products (i.e. where the circuit board itself is actually the main component) that don't even do this, and just farm it out to the pros. Seems like a wack move on their part...
johnnyCanuck
Well-Known Member
Depends. If the pros (China?) can't get it right and a big percentage of failures are stemming from that, then it's money will spent as they must be dishing out a lot of $s in warranty claims. This plus the tweaks made in order to mass produce the heaters are my guesses for massively long delays.
seaofgreens
My Mind Is Free
This is becoming an interesting psychological experiment. Backers, while having waited a long long time, were just locked in. They paid money and knew that they would get their product or not, and that was that.
Pre-orders on the other hand, some of whom are now waiting a year or more at this point have had the option to withdraw at any time supposedly, so there is always that red button you can push, always there.... do you push it with this update? Or do you keep hanging on to optimism?
Definitely a bit different, and a bit more stressful when that button is there.
Pre-orders on the other hand, some of whom are now waiting a year or more at this point have had the option to withdraw at any time supposedly, so there is always that red button you can push, always there.... do you push it with this update? Or do you keep hanging on to optimism?
Definitely a bit different, and a bit more stressful when that button is there.
zymos
Well-Known Member
The big "if" there is whether bunk circuit boards are responsible for all (or any) of the malfunctions.
How many people want to wait around and be beta testers while GHL learns how to mass produce circuit boards?
I would certainly fall into that category. Been waiting since March for my preorder. Although I personally am completely fine with waiting now that I had several weeks to play with a Grasshopper on loan from someone else.
After actually handling a real device and knowing what the vaporizer is capable of, I'm more than happy to wait for my turn in line to get one.