The Arizer Air

Stevenski

Stevenski

Enter the Dragon
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You might want to remember that for another reason. There's a lot of folks around here that'll swear it didn't happen. It's impossible, don't you know......if you let it just sit there hot all the useful stuff gets lost. This mostly comes from folks looking for a reason their vape is better than yours of course, but they persist.

The first place I recall it being discussed was on the PD thread. Guys would put a loaded stem in and get distracted and yet still get a solid hit or two the next day. The PD is on full time, that means it 'cooked' for 8 hours..... Not ideal of course, but still potent. It was also discussed on the HA thread a while back when I used to read that one, but was dismissed somewhat when guys objected it was a convection vape?

I've tried all 3 experiments over the years and my experience squares with yours. Not something you want to do, but not a disaster either.

I think what happens is pretty clear. Absent airflow to sweep it out, the vapor simply condenses somewhere else handy, at least the heavier parts (like THC). The THC isn't being destroyed chemically, and it can't escape, it's gotta still be there.....

Thanks for the observation, IMO an important one.

OF
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When you think about it logically it makes perfect sense :science:. Yes you are robbed of certain properties but in my case at least they are luxuries not necessities. The difference is like pouring a crisp refreshing beer & enjoying it cold or forgetting about it (not because you vaped another Air stem) & coming back to the beer in an hour. Same great alcohol content & will do the job but it tastes like crap.
 
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Stevenski said:
When you think about it logically it makes perfect sense :science:. Yes you are robbed of certain properties but in my case at least they are luxuries not necessities. The difference is like pouring a crisp refreshing beer & enjoying it cold or forgetting about it (not because you vaped another Air stem) & coming back to the beer in an hour. Same great alcohol content & will do the job but it tastes like crap.
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Well put. Sadly being logical is not always a factor in 'why my vape is better'. If it makes the owner feel better I guess that's OK, but not throwing 'facts' around that might discourage the next guy from trying is not. Informed decisions is the goal?

So, IMO, while it's not a good idea to leave a stem in 'to bake', it's not really a sin either.

I really like the 'flat beer' analogy. It's not like say a nice glass of red wine left out too long where it's 'nose' gets damaged in that here the alcohol can actually be degrading to vinegar. And while you and I get the danger to a fine brew letting it go flat and warm, we should be very glad the Brits don't know our real names....... They tell me they (the Brits) got into warm beer because Lucas makes refrigerators there, something I was unable to confirm......

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Stevenski

Stevenski

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Very true @OF i don't notice anywhere near the dicksizing on this forum as others i have ventured on. The paranoia level is considerably higher though :uhoh:.

Most vapes have positive & negative points. A wise owner focuses on what they can control about their vaping experience & maximizing their particular vapes potential. I personally should have gotten a LSV rather than the EQ but rather than sook about it i seek to enjoy my EQ.

I think it is a bad idea to leave an active stem on a heated vape as it is a waste unless you can decarb at a suitably low temp or have other reasons for doing so.
 
fubar

fubar

Ancient and opiniated inhaler
OF said:
Yes, but not nearly as well as the ones Sinclue found:
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I just got some of these and they are way better than the 1/2" screens domed over a pencil end I'd been using.
But the ends aren't fused - in the photo or in what they sent - doesn't much matter - they work fine.
Easy to fit so they won't fall out and when the do eventually gunk up, easy to remove and flame clean.
The air definitely seems to work more efficiently for me with the decreased load over the dome.
Better extraction in fewer draws than without the dome.
I think having the herb exposed to air flow from the oven over the much greater dome surface area really helps convection extraction compared to the flat glass screen.
These work a treat in the solo too.
 
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OF

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Stevenski said:
The paranoia level is considerably higher though :uhoh:.

I think it is a bad idea to leave an active stem on a heated vape as it is a waste unless you can decarb at a suitably low temp or have other reasons for doing so.
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I think you're exactly right there. Due caution is always a good plan, but I think sometimes folks try to make it an art form. Life has risks, but checking under the bed every few minutes is not a good thing I think. We have a tendency around here to automatically label things 'poison' and 'toxic' when we don't really have the first idea of what is really going on. A personal favorite here is the 'toxic rubber smell' from food grade silicone.......

Still, we are who we are. We all bring some baggage to the party.

For sure cooking a stem for no reason is a waste at several levels, it's not a disaster however. All is not lost?

OF
 
Stevenski

Stevenski

Enter the Dragon
OF said:
I think you're exactly right there. Due caution is always a good plan, but I think sometimes folks try to make it an art form. Life has risks, but checking under the bed every few minutes is not a good thing I think. We have a tendency around here to automatically label things 'poison' and 'toxic' when we don't really have the first idea of what is really going on. A personal favorite here is the 'toxic rubber smell' from food grade silicone.......

Still, we are who we are. We all bring some baggage to the party.

For sure cooking a stem for no reason is a waste at several levels, it's not a disaster however. All is not lost?

OF
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Life is a risk. Sure you can minimize the risks but if you are looking for something you will find it. Kind of like vape bashing. Unless a vape is a bad choice to make most people will offer constructive opinions of the + & - of any given vape. Some come down to personal choice

EQ, HA & 7th Floor family are all pretty equal really so it would come down to the small variables but if you purchased one it would be a bold man to declare you have a "bad vape". You could have made a better decision for your particular application but it was not a bad one a such.

Then again I am a guy who started smoking cannabis through a juice bottle with a hose pipe stem so I am like at least one of these two fellas when it comes to being stupid/ignorrant

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beiberhole69

beiberhole69

Sexual Maven
OF said:
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Question... when it says Battery indicator lights and that blinking green means full... that doesn't mean that when it




ETA: a couple other questions I still have after reading the last 10 or so pages.


1. Is the silicone sleeve really worth keeping on? Why?

2. What's a good spare battery to get. A saw the link for the dome screens and picked those up. What battery yall recommend?
 
CarolKing

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
@beiberhole69 you should stick with the stock battery that comes with the Air. I have a silicone sleeve for my Air but I like mine naked, IMO just for cosmetic looks. Some folks feel it's a necessity to use one.

You could get a Nitecore battery charger. Many Air owners have that style of charger and there hasn't been any problems. You can charge the battery within the unit. It takes about 3 1/2 hours to charge your battery if it's low. That can be considered long for some.

Most of all this unit is well made with great materials. This portable will serve your needs for a long time. Unlike some of the throwaway portables I've seen in the marketplace.

The spare battery just gives you more time to vaporize if you were away from an electrical outlet. You might not need that if you vaporize occasionally. I get about 50 min of use per battery. If you only have one battery that's a lot of wear and tear if you charge often.

You should have a solid light if the battery is fully charged.
 
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OF

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beiberhole69 said:
2. What's a good spare battery to get. A saw the link for the dome screens and picked those up. What battery yall recommend?
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Stick with the factory battery, it really is better than almost all alternatives. And it preserves the warranty. Arizer chose wisely, go figure. The official battery is about the same price anyway. Centizen has an excellent thread somewhere on his exhaustive testing of Air battery prospects, finally buying and selling the genuine article from the battery maker. Depending on shipping he might have the best price (he's in Canada IIRC).

Most of us bought ours from PIU or PV, probably.

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beiberhole69

beiberhole69

Sexual Maven
Yea, I read something way back that talked about how Arizer has a sort of specific battery. I think that's actually how I found the thread. It seemed like people had possibly revised their opinion on that on recent pages though. I guess not.

The link I followed way back to the guy that got OEM (?) batteries and was selling them is sold out. $12 bucks is a lot more attractive than $19 if I'm looking to buy several (which I was). I just got my AA yesterday though, so I guess I should see how my usage goes.

Any probs with using it plugged in?

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Most of us bought ours from PIU or PV, probably.
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Sorry... could I have the links... not sure what those acronyms mean.

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WeedyGirl1979

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beiberhole69 said:
Sorry... could I have the links... not sure what those acronyms mean.
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PIU= Puff It Up
PV= Planet Vape
Both retailers that lots of members have used for Air (and Solo) supplies. You can get to both sites through the forums under the 'supporting tab' IIRC.
I have two batteries for my Air and the Nitecore charger. I'm very absent minded and hard on my poor batteries (more charging until full than draining fully, but I know neither are best practices) and having the external charger lets me charge one while using the other, or what I like to do more, drain both and recharge them together so I don't have to remember which one has more juice left. I love options! :)

Edited to answer a couple of your other questions (I'm no expert, just opinionated) I don't use the condom, it feels weird to my grip and looks cooler without. It's cold where I live, so I might give a shot to see if it affects heat-up time. And no, you shouldn't use while charging if you can avoid it- one of our more educated peeps says that the Air has to have some juice in the battery to heat at all, so you're basically draining and charging the battery at the same time. I noticed that when I used to use my Solo plugged in- I'd still drop a step with each session. I guess it's not as big a deal with replaceable batteries, but I just don't like it, and I don't have to, anyway. Welcome aboard!
 
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beiberhole69

beiberhole69

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Ok cool, thanks.

So, using while charging... what's the verdict there?

I've noticed that when I use it when it's charging it sometimes starts blinking orange. If I unplug it and plug it back in it usually goes back to blinking green.


Also, someone needs to come out with some long stems that kind of taper and are colored red/turquoise/green. Would make the AA look just like a lightsaber... capitalize on SW madness AND help make the piece a little more covert (sort of)
 
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LOL... that was Visine... makes your eyes not red.

... and for those aspiring predators, it will apparently make people pass out as well :s
 
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Do you know if these are the specs: 2250mAh, 3.3 - 4.2v

CentiZen had a good post back on the teen pages that said that was the type of battery used and that Arizer is covering their ass saying not to use 3rd party batteries or else you void the warranty.
 
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