next generation e-nails?

mrbonsai420 said:

Nice! Did you remember to use the FC discount code? I like to use mine upside down. Especially if you have the 20mm version. Although this next batch may be re-designed for an even better fit with the 20mm from what I hear.

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Josh from CCA is fantastic. ...I contacted him weeks ago asking when the improved storm carb caps (securely sits on banger)) he said he'd send me the updated version free of charge when available as well as hinting at a new design with a hollow handle... well I had forgotten about this conversation but three or four days ago I receive an email from Josh informing me that he had shipped out the new cap.
I'VE been testing out the SIC insert and am finding that previously I had a 150 degree lower difference between temperature settings

alittledabwilldoya' said:

I have two V2 Dnail carb caps.




Both have angled holes in the caps.
However, the second one that I bought has a slightly deeper bottom lip, which causes it to seal more effectively.

They both work great, although I haven't used anything other than the V2s.

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You want to sell the one you don't use to someone who would use it everyday?

herbivore21 said:

Ah dude, the carb I have (dnail universal 2.0) is an angled cut hole that causes the air to vortex around in a spiralling fashion inside the dish.

I have used it on dnail halos and infiniti large dishes and the fit and function is simply better than anything I've ever used. It produces considerably more clouds on an infiniti large dish vs the OG HE cap for example.

EDIT: I am now informed that this latest batch have straight holes! I would wait myself for the angled holed ones to come back but I will seek word on when this happens and report back for those of you still needing a carb.

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I wonder if the straight hole would reduce oil buildup near the hole on the inside of the carb cap? I started getting that when I switched to the Quartz Halo from the SiC, I find the oil climbs the sides more on this one.

I've heard they've had issues with sourcing a manufacturer for the carb caps so it was probably a derivative of that in some way.

I have one of the straight hole caps here in front of me ... unused. I feel a bit duped as I ordered expecting it to be the normal d nail gen 2 cap. The note should be at the top of the description imo and probably an updated picture.

Anyway the new gen 2 cap I have has a totally different finish (almost a shiny mirrored finish while the rest of my d nail gear is kind of velvety) than my original one, has a gaudy printed on label like China Ti and the edges around the bottom of the cap are a bit dinged up while my og gen 2 cap is practically flawless.

Needless to say I'm returning this carb cap.

I hope the new label and finish isn't their new standard. We pay a premium for a premium product not only in function, but also form imo.

Merry Christmas!

the finish on that that thing looks like shit too just like my slimline pieces - made in china crap is what I also thought as well - this is the kind of thing that happens when a company gets too big too fast

so i suppose that instagram guy that the one dude referenced earlier wouldn't be a bad move?

what would happen if you use an unfitted carb cap? I have this titanium 19mm that covers the whole quartz dish barely. You have to position it right., even then a little seepage is heard, no big deal though.


But, if i keep coming down hard with this carb cap to the quartz dish, will it break?

rolln_j said:

the finish on that that thing looks like shit too just like my slimline pieces - made in china crap is what I also thought as well - this is the kind of thing that happens when a company gets too big too fast

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They need to get a machine shop going in house. I'm not positive but I think HE may have been making the Ti for D-Nail which is why it was so nice and why stuff coming from a different source just isn't up to snuff.

If people are having issues with quality etc please let Diane know. They aren't going to fix these issues if no one says anything. When I asked for a return and respectfully gave my honest opinion on this carb cap she had said I was the only person to have a problem with the quality of the current batch of carb caps which seems odd to me ... but I guess I'm super ocd about my gear.

I've been waiting on a D-Nail carb cap, pulled the trigger on Christmas, if it is straight hole, and bad finish, I'll be calling Diane as well. Premium price, calls for premium product...... I already own 3 carb caps, one is a HE, so I wanted the D-Nail V2 for specific reasons, one being superior fit and finish- hell, my aroma cup from my solo works better than some of my carb caps....... please don't start disappointing us consumers, we obviously have money to spend on silly little metal pieces, lets not get too carried away by dropping the quality.

Yeah the quality is the one thing keeping us using D-Nail. Everyone else already has the same products for half price. If the quality isn't better then what is the point? The D-Nail stuff I have now is super high quality. If that changed why would anyone continue to go there?

darkrom said:

Yeah the quality is the one thing keeping us using D-Nail. Everyone else already has the same products for half price. If the quality isn't better then what is the point? The D-Nail stuff I have now is super high quality. If that changed why would anyone continue to go there?

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EXACTLY! I've already sent D-Nail an E-mail asking them to not send me the inferior cap, as I already own a bunch of those...... I'm willing to pay(and wait) for quality!

MileHighLife said:

If people are having issues with quality etc please let Diane know. They aren't going to fix these issues if no one says anything. When I asked for a return and respectfully gave my honest opinion on this carb cap she had said I was the only person to have a problem with the quality of the current batch of carb caps which seems odd to me ... but I guess I'm super ocd about my gear.

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yes I finally got around to composing a nice little email to diane that detailed my concerns re my latest purchase with them - i will update here when i get a reply

I am speaking to the head honcho over at D-nail about what the skinny is on the new carbs as soon as I can, since I also understood the angled hole to be a part of the pressure flow much like you guys.

There is every chance that the pressure flow works still in the new version with straight hole (with a clever reengineering of the design) but I wanna confirm this all first.

I will be back to you guys as soon as I can get some info.

P.S. I do believe HE were the ones producing the old caps (cannot 100% confirm this), which were d-nails design. Sadly, the relationship between the two companies has soured since Task/HE blatantly, knowingly ripped off d-nails quartz halo (can 100% confirm this!)!

It is such a shame that this shit has happened (especially if this falling out was the cause of the change in carbs). Still honestly, if I were in D-nails position, you'd better believe I'd have cut off all ties with HE as well! You just can't do business with shit like this going on!

Nonetheless, all of d-nail's Ti needs to be up to standard, and I encourage you guys to let dnail know if you are unhappy with your carb's function or if you find any burrs in the Ti etc (the latter is especially important from a QC perspective).

Do it politely, because they do listen and in my experience, D-nail make shit right if something goes wrong.

Again, I am sorry to hear that some of my friends here have been less than satisfied. You all know I recommend d-nail around here a lot and it pains me to see any of you guys less than 100% happy with their stuff!

herbivore21 said:

I am speaking to the head honcho over at D-nail about what the skinny is on the new carbs as soon as I can, since I also understood the angled hole to be a part of the pressure flow much like you guys.

There is every chance that the pressure flow works still in the new version with straight hole (with a clever reengineering of the design) but I wanna confirm this all first.

I will be back to you guys as soon as I can get some info.

P.S. I do believe HE were the ones producing the old caps (cannot 100% confirm this), which were d-nails design. Sadly, the relationship between the two companies has soured since Task/HE blatantly, knowingly ripped off d-nails quartz halo (can 100% confirm this!)!

It is such a shame that this shit has happened (especially if this falling out was the cause of the change in carbs). Still honestly, if I were in D-nails position, you'd better believe I'd have cut off all ties with HE as well! You just can't do business with shit like this going on!

Nonetheless, all of d-nail's Ti needs to be up to standard, and I encourage you guys to let dnail know if you are unhappy with your carb's function or if you find any burrs in the Ti etc (the latter is especially important from a QC perspective).

Do it politely, because they do listen and in my experience, D-nail make shit right if something goes wrong.

Again, I am sorry to hear that some of my friends here have been less than satisfied. You all know I recommend d-nail around here a lot and it pains me to see any of you guys less than 100% happy with their stuff!

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Are those dnail v2 carb caps essential for the quartz dish for complete satisfaction? Or is it all good without too.

DrSteez said:

Are those dnail v2 carb caps essential for the quartz dish for complete satisfaction? Or is it all good without too.

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The v2 carbs with original design are definitely designed to get an air and pressure flow that you will not get with other carbs (unsure about the new straight hole one with the different finish yet, but stay tuned!). Everyone who has one of the original v2 carbs will testify to it being much better.

This doesn't mean you'll get no joy at all with other carbs though. I think you'll be most happy with one that more or less fits and then when you eventually get the proper v2 carb it'll just be gravy!

You could tell me much better though, have you found your quartz halo nice even without the proper carbs?

herbivore21 said:

I am speaking to the head honcho over at D-nail about what the skinny is on the new carbs as soon as I can, since I also understood the angled hole to be a part of the pressure flow much like you guys.

There is every chance that the pressure flow works still in the new version with straight hole (with a clever reengineering of the design) but I wanna confirm this all first.

I will be back to you guys as soon as I can get some info.

P.S. I do believe HE were the ones producing the old caps (cannot 100% confirm this), which were d-nails design. Sadly, the relationship between the two companies has soured since Task/HE blatantly, knowingly ripped off d-nails quartz halo (can 100% confirm this!)!

It is such a shame that this shit has happened (especially if this falling out was the cause of the change in carbs). Still honestly, if I were in D-nails position, you'd better believe I'd have cut off all ties with HE as well! You just can't do business with shit like this going on!

Nonetheless, all of d-nail's Ti needs to be up to standard, and I encourage you guys to let dnail know if you are unhappy with your carb's function or if you find any burrs in the Ti etc (the latter is especially important from a QC perspective).

Do it politely, because they do listen and in my experience, D-nail make shit right if something goes wrong.

Again, I am sorry to hear that some of my friends here have been less than satisfied. You all know I recommend d-nail around here a lot and it pains me to see any of you guys less than 100% happy with their stuff!

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Really? Seems a bit juvenile to sour a business relationship over a nail design that really isn't anything ground breaking. The e-nail, modular domeless nail, carb cap and other progressive advancements in the industry that D-Nail banks off are originally HE's concepts.

MileHighLife said:

Really? Seems a bit juvenile to sour a business relationship over a nail design that really isn't anything ground breaking. The e-nail, modular domeless nail, carb cap and other progressive advancements in the industry that D-Nail banks off are originally HE's concepts.

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Remember that HE's enails failed early and they gave up producing the product altogether. Task thanked the D-nail guys IIRC for making the concept work. D-nail also actually designed a number of HE's recent ti products.

Regardless, I'm not here to argue this stuff though and this will be my last comment on the topic.

I have word on the new carbs. First of all, HE made the 1.3 bases, they didn't ever make the universal carbs or the slim series. The new Ti is purer grade 1 than the last (better ti, not worse!). The different finish/color relates to different amounts of ti o2 on the outer layer and can be a result of different polishing and may be influenced by the increased purity of the new ti.

The straight carb hole is only for this run. It has pros and cons compared to the angled hole v2 carb. The straight hole will lead to faster vaporization on small-medium dabs so long as the hole is above where the dab is on the dish (it is not necessary to move the cap around during the dab). However for larger dabbers I believe the standard angled hole would be better.

Which one is better for you guys will vary depending on the sort of dabs you do. Still, the next batch will be the angled hole again. Hopefully this helps clear things up - I suggest anyone who has received the straight hole but would prefer the angled hole contact d-nail and see if you can switch for the next batch.

herbivore21 said:

Remember that HE's enails failed early and they gave up producing the product altogether. Task thanked the D-nail guys IIRC for making the concept work. D-nail also actually designed a number of HE's recent ti products.

Regardless, I'm not here to argue this stuff though and this will be my last comment on the topic.

I have word on the new carbs. First of all, HE made the 1.3 bases, they didn't ever make the universal carbs or the slim series. The new Ti is purer grade 1 than the last (better ti, not worse!). The different finish/color relates to different amounts of ti o2 on the outer layer and can be a result of different polishing and may be influenced by the increased purity of the new ti.

The straight carb hole is only for this run. It has pros and cons compared to the angled hole v2 carb. The straight hole will lead to faster vaporization on small-medium dabs so long as the hole is above where the dab is on the dish (it is not necessary to move the cap around during the dab). However for larger dabbers I believe the standard angled hole would be better.

Which one is better for you guys will vary depending on the sort of dabs you do. Still, the next batch will be the angled hole again. Hopefully this helps clear things up - I suggest anyone who has received the straight hole but would prefer the angled hole contact d-nail and see if you can switch for the next batch.

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Correct which is why I said concepts. I'm never here to argue ... just get the facts out.

So the shiny finish is due to oxidation? My og cap looks like almost a brushed finish like HE gear and has an engraved logo (exactly like HE gear) while the new cap just looks like it came right off the lathe without any finishing touches and thrown in a box with a bunch of other caps so the edges are dinged up.

MileHighLife said:

So the shiny finish is due to oxidation?

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Not so likely the shinyness (that is more likely the polishing type), but either more or less oxidation could play a role in the color potentially. Different polishing material/method will be responsible for finish. Different composition (purer ti in the newer one) may also influence color/finish. I am not 100% on whether one/some/all of these factors are at play. More or less oxidation would be within very minor degrees and could still be related to different polishing type.

The new ti is better. The hole type may or may not be good for your needs though.

herbivore21 said:

Not so likely the shinyness (that is more likely the polishing type), but either more or less oxidation could play a role in the color potentially. Different polishing material/method will be responsible for finish. Different composition (purer ti in the newer one) may also influence color/finish. I am not 100% on whether one/some/all of these factors are at play. More or less oxidation would be within very minor degrees and could still be related to different polishing type.

The new ti is better. The hole type may or may not be good for your needs though.

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I agree it's more pure ... but also more malleable so it'll deform more easily which explains the dings around the bottom lip of the cap I received the other day.

Just got my Storm Cap from Josh at CCA/710 on Saturday and I have to say well worth the wait. I've been using a variety of caps in the meantime and while they did the job ok the Storm Cap was amazing. I like using 680-690 for my temps and I noticed that no matter how much I would try and clear the chamber there was always some vapor left. One good rip using the Storm Cap and the chamber was completely wiped out to where I was hacking my eyeballs out of my head. I figured I'd use a little less dab amount and sure enough I was getting killer rips while using less product. I've been using the Quartz insert and the taste is awesome but I will eventually try the Sic insert but for now I couldn't be happier.

I hate that I bought this quartz halo with no viable option for a decent carb cap

Sic dish in the 20mm Liger V2.0 was a big hit over the holidays! I was running fairly low temps and the flavor had everyone smacking their lips at the 650 degree mark and below! I agree having the right carb cap for the nail makes a big difference. I'm still not sure why more people aren't trying the CCA stuff now that the SiC and Quartz options are in, plus they have carb caps! The extremely high end materials and top quality machining with these smaller production run nails and inserts are where it's at IMO. Have you guys looked at the close ups of the Liger, I felt like I was inspecting a high end sports car part rather than a nail. The machining was THAT good. Plus when you inspect the quartz dish I can tell it's no cheap quartz. There is still no hazing on my quartz dish after a month of torch cleanings and I have already tested it by accidentally dropping it hot onto tile. It didn't break!. Not even my pukinbeagle quartz could say that! I only have one piece of SiC but I see 0 flaws or polishing lines. It is perfect! I know those Ferraris drive great guys but have you tried this McLaren?!? Don't get stuck on one brand just because that's what everyone else is buying.

Hell I'm sure not sure if the taste of SiC is any "Better" than quartz? SiC allows you to turn your coil temp down and your dabbing surface will stay closer to the coil temp. But with both surfaces at the same temp I think quartz is still pretty close to SiC in taste.

I found myself switching back and forth between materials. Dropping a different insert in the Liger occasionally. I don't know if I like the SiC at 620 or the Quartz at 700 better? I do know I like having both of them in my rotation and can't wait to get the flower/hash vaping attachment for this thing!

Also I just wanted to mention that I have been ordering my coils from Greenlight vapes. If you order from China direct they are around $25-$30 each ( plus Shipping?) and I haven't had one burn out yet. I have one of each size from there all going strong. Plus there is a one time coil replacement from when I bought my enail from them but I haven't had to use it yet. You have to pay shipping from China so I just bought a few. I like having 16mm, 20mm, and flat coils so I can try any nail I want without worrying about coil size or shape. The only on I didn't buy is the nectar collector 10mm but they do carry it. Here is my contact there
amy@greenlightvapes.com

Quite simply the liger is too big and heavy for my rig. I'd also need a new coil etc. Seems like switching just to switch, but if I had a huge rig I'd have considered it if I was just getting started.

darkrom said:

Quite simply the liger is too big and heavy for my rig. I'd also need a new coil etc. Seems like switching just to switch, but if I had a huge rig I'd have considered it if I was just getting started.

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It's not that big. I use mine on a FC-710 and occasionally a small 6" rig. I saw Tepictoton had his on a small mothership as well. I haven't noticed it not fitting anywhere my HE, Genesis, BOSS , or Zeus nails fit. I do use a drop down but it's not actually necessary to make it fit on any of my rigs. As far as weight is concerned it is nothing that would tip a rig, plus I would think the wire from the coil would determine much of the force put on a rig, not the actual weight of the nail.

As far as coils go, they are only $30 so that's not a deciding factor on what nail to use. Already having a D-nail halo setup and not wanting to switch to a new system is understandable. I am just wondering why more new e-nail owners aren't going this route, it works flawlessly.

Part of the appeal to d-nail is actually the fact that everyone else uses it lol. Just makes it nice for comparing temps etc. My rig is REALLY small, and the drop down is needed to make it like a tripod and not tip over from even the d-nail + sic ... haha.

If I was brand new I'd probably have considered the liger at the very least. Its neat looking, but 100% not an option for my rig. It does look well made.