Harmoniousliving
Well-Known Member
You misinterpreted me. My comment was directed towards your statement saying education ,renewable resources, etc was unimportant
Who will win the Republican nomination for President?
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seaofgreens
My Mind Is Free
Yes... I am an extremely sarcastic personality in real life. It doesn't transfer into written medium as well... But yes, that was of course meant sarcastically 
Harmoniousliving
Well-Known Member
Haha okay !
Like you say it is difficult to interpret things like sarcasm over text sometimes . And for the record I am sure as hell not a conservative !!
Like you say it is difficult to interpret things like sarcasm over text sometimes . And for the record I am sure as hell not a conservative !!
KimDracula
Well-Known Member
Some dangerous lunatic will win the nomination. While Trump shocks many people; he's really only separated from most of the Republican field by actual experience in government. Most of the others believe things that are very close to what Trump says without the layer of code that gives other candidates some wiggle-room with their rhetoric. Any of them would be a disaster, although Ted Cruz seems like the biggest villain of the bunch.
There are still important differences between the parties, despite what many people like to say. One party seeks to expand voting while the other must try and restrict it in order to compete. One party believes in the equality of women while the other seeks to keep them subjugated (and this also applies to every minority group). Only one of the parties believes that science is real while the other pushes a religion in its place.
There are still important differences between the parties, despite what many people like to say. One party seeks to expand voting while the other must try and restrict it in order to compete. One party believes in the equality of women while the other seeks to keep them subjugated (and this also applies to every minority group). Only one of the parties believes that science is real while the other pushes a religion in its place.
RelaxedNow
Well-Known Member
Either way, the GOP will be giving Hillary a free ticket for presidency. Reason being, Trump can't possibly win a general election, and if he's not nominated, he'll run as a third party candidate, splitting the Republican vote. Most of his supporters will stick with him in the latter case, but their numbers won't grow much beyond where they are currently. I believe he's in this only for the power his voter block will give him when it comes down to the wire. Can you imagine the concessions he can get for endorsing the eventual Republican candidate?
I haven't voted for a Democrat in my 43 years as a voter, and I sure as hell won't vote for Hillary. Is it just me, or is this the worst candidate pool ever, regardless of party?
little maggie
Well-Known Member
My fear is that if Sanders doesn't get to run that non-Republicans will choose not to vote. And several of you just confirmed that. Many of my friends did that in 2000 which is how we ended up with Bush. And for all the rhetoric about how the 2 parties are basically the same we would be in a very different environment without 8 years of Bush. I'd rather have Hilary than any of the Republicans running. Unlike some of you, I'm checking my passport in case a Republican wins.
howie105
Well-Known Member
Perhaps the most obvious.
gangababa
Well-Known Member
Rush Limbaugh promised to leave our USA the second time our popularly elected President won.
Like most regressives, he lied and did not leave.
How obvious can a Clinton presidency be when polls put Trump or Cruz neck and neck with her?
Half of Americans are IDIOTS!
People think the politicos are all the same, but that is a sign of delusion, illusion or insanity.
Keep the Supreme Court in mind! We are close to being returned to the time of back alley abortion deaths, damn it!
Anyone who is woman or young or educated in logic or dedicated to reality or not deluded by lies must fight the republicon rape (aka privatization) of America and roll-back of human rights.
All need to fight the scriptural regressive ignorant attachment to made up crap that is the heart and soul of republicon identity.
Trump is an indictment of America!
Near fifty years have past since Regan started the war on education and the results of those actions has been the dumbing down of Americans.
Vote or Shut Up
BTW, my passport and plans have nothing to do with the next President.
I am leaving because there are other more civilized places to live than this fearful unhealthy degenerated country created by Presidents Nixon (paranoid), Ford (stumbling), Regan (demented), Bush (disconnected), Bush (product of Regan education).
Demonic hate boils the souls of Trump-pets.
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lwien
Well-Known Member
Trump is neck and neck with Clinton?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...s/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
http://www.oddsshark.com/entertainment/us-presidential-odds-2016-futures
You must still be looking at early December numbers. Look at the chart. Things can change pretty dramatically. If I was a begin' man, I'd put my money on Rubio to win the GOP and Hillary to edge him out in a close race in the General. If Trump won the GOP, Clinton would win by a landslide. You can't win the general without the Hispanic, the Black and the Female voters. No way........no how.
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gangababa
Well-Known Member
Trump is neck and neck with Clinton?
December 23rd poling (link)
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton CNN/ORC Clinton 49, Trump 47 Clinton +2
General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton CNN/ORC Clinton 46, Cruz 48 Cruz +2
General Election: Rubio vs. Clinton CNN/ORC Rubio 49, Clinton 46 Rubio +3
That any Republican running today can get more than 25% of Americans' vote is (I submit) proof of American ignorance; proof of Regan's republicon successful war on education, reality, rationality and reason.
The 21st century republicon party has regressed to the "Know Nothing" party of the past. Some of these people want to reverse all of the 20th century gains from laws against child labor, laws for weekends, minimum wage, Social Security, environmental and food safety, equality, voting rights, education, fairness, etc.
Some of their religious leaders want to return to the biblical world of chattel women (who can't vote); and they say so!
Yes, support from women and minorities is needed in the political world, so simply take away their right to vote.
Or better yet control the vote count and ignore the total failure of exit polling while trumppet-ing the Donald (duck)'s polls as proof of America's choice.
His_Highness
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
In answer to the original question......Rubio.
Haven't thought about this in years but ..... I'd be more likely to vote for Pat Paulsen than Trump even though Pat died.
Haven't thought about this in years but ..... I'd be more likely to vote for Pat Paulsen than Trump even though Pat died.
lwien
Well-Known Member
Yup. I'd vote for ANY dead man rather than Trump.
gaseous_clay
Well-Known Member
An asshole.
HellsWindStaff
Dharma Initiate
Initially came to post this picture that I found funny:
I agree with the guy above who said that the election this year just seems pretty awful across the board. This was what I initially came to post, how crappy the candidates seem but then reading the thread got me thinking about things, which is what follows. No offense to anyone, just my thoughts.
To the guy above who said America is in shambles because of the last X amount of Republican presidents and wants to leave, go ahead. I don't mean to offend, but you're clearly unobjective when it comes to it, judging by your post. I'd rather have an educated objective opinion rather than one which will shoehorn all Republican presidents as ruining the country, while Bill Clinton (and every other Dem not mentioned) was just THE BEST. We should ignore the financial crisis he helped contribute lol, we should ignore him signing DOMA ? All good, he soley moved the country forward..... (I don't mean to pick on you, but your comment was one in particular that stood out to me)
Every president has done their fair share of progressing the country, and fucking it over. I don't believe Jimmy Carter was the weakest president and totally spineless, he (or his administration) actually if I recall secured the release of the hostages, but since Iran hated him, they waited to screw him over in the public eye, but still was a relatively ineffective president. George Bush may have invaded Iraq on some shady pretenses, but the Middle East was the more stable then, than it is now. Pro's and cons to everything. I wish that people in general would just look at everything with a bit of a broader lens.
FYI, Democrats always say how much they are doing for minorities, the needy, low income, but they are the ones who are chiefly keeping them down there with the always lingering promise of a better tomorrow and keeping them tied to the system with their programs..... or is it all the red devil republican's fault? I'm not saying that Republican's are putting minorities at the forefront and prioritizing them, but it's a false belief that the Democrats are. Just something you never hear.
I also don't mean for this to turn into a pissing match, and the reason I shy away from politics is because that is what it ends up becoming. I can find tons of articles that will support either stance to the upmost extreme. You can find one by LiberalNews.com and I can find one by ConservativesRUs.com , and their is probably truth in each of them, but now my perception of your news is questioned because I know its from a Liberal leaning source, just like how your perception of my news should be questioned because you know it leans right. Neither that objective. I just wish people wouldn't look at such extremes and absolutes all the time is really all I'm trying to say.
I agree with the guy above who said that the election this year just seems pretty awful across the board. This was what I initially came to post, how crappy the candidates seem but then reading the thread got me thinking about things, which is what follows. No offense to anyone, just my thoughts.
To the guy above who said America is in shambles because of the last X amount of Republican presidents and wants to leave, go ahead. I don't mean to offend, but you're clearly unobjective when it comes to it, judging by your post. I'd rather have an educated objective opinion rather than one which will shoehorn all Republican presidents as ruining the country, while Bill Clinton (and every other Dem not mentioned) was just THE BEST. We should ignore the financial crisis he helped contribute lol, we should ignore him signing DOMA ? All good, he soley moved the country forward..... (I don't mean to pick on you, but your comment was one in particular that stood out to me)
Every president has done their fair share of progressing the country, and fucking it over. I don't believe Jimmy Carter was the weakest president and totally spineless, he (or his administration) actually if I recall secured the release of the hostages, but since Iran hated him, they waited to screw him over in the public eye, but still was a relatively ineffective president. George Bush may have invaded Iraq on some shady pretenses, but the Middle East was the more stable then, than it is now. Pro's and cons to everything. I wish that people in general would just look at everything with a bit of a broader lens.
FYI, Democrats always say how much they are doing for minorities, the needy, low income, but they are the ones who are chiefly keeping them down there with the always lingering promise of a better tomorrow and keeping them tied to the system with their programs..... or is it all the red devil republican's fault? I'm not saying that Republican's are putting minorities at the forefront and prioritizing them, but it's a false belief that the Democrats are. Just something you never hear.
I also don't mean for this to turn into a pissing match, and the reason I shy away from politics is because that is what it ends up becoming. I can find tons of articles that will support either stance to the upmost extreme. You can find one by LiberalNews.com and I can find one by ConservativesRUs.com , and their is probably truth in each of them, but now my perception of your news is questioned because I know its from a Liberal leaning source, just like how your perception of my news should be questioned because you know it leans right. Neither that objective. I just wish people wouldn't look at such extremes and absolutes all the time is really all I'm trying to say.
His_Highness
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
I agree with many of the points made. Especially the comment about any person who says they want to leave the country. I can still be embarrassed by some of our shenanigans and still feel this is the best f'n country on earth ... Lemme hold the door for ya.....
Having stated similar things in the past about the extreme left and right and having gotten into heated threads when stating them.....I'll just say....
Let the games begin
seaofgreens
My Mind Is Free
@HellsWindStaff
What programs are keeping minorities down? It seems like you are insinuating that the common themes democrats support such as welfare, universal health care, renewable energy, public housing and food assistance are:
1) Programs geared towards and only used by minorities
2) Primarily a tool used by white Americans to keep non-white Americans down
So.... if so.... wtf?
If not... what programs are we talking about? Not some esoteric initiative that had a rider attached which impacted some minority population due to democratic support. An actual, federally funded program please.
What programs are keeping minorities down? It seems like you are insinuating that the common themes democrats support such as welfare, universal health care, renewable energy, public housing and food assistance are:
1) Programs geared towards and only used by minorities
2) Primarily a tool used by white Americans to keep non-white Americans down
So.... if so.... wtf?
If not... what programs are we talking about? Not some esoteric initiative that had a rider attached which impacted some minority population due to democratic support. An actual, federally funded program please.
HellsWindStaff
Dharma Initiate
I'm not insinuating either thing. Apologies if you took it that way.
I'm on mobile right now, but in general, I feel that a lot of democratic initiatives like you mentioned, work better on paper than in actuality. I don't think poverty has improved; or housing, etc. When I get back, I can look for some examples. But I'd prefer not too, and if we want to chalk it up to me speaking out my ass, that is fine I didn't mean to offend but I wanted to throw my .02 ... Truly I'm not all that interested in politics, I come here to post about vapes and other things, so I should probably have just let the politic talk go amongst those truly invested, I just was trying to preach to have more objectivity truly.
I have no clue who I'll be voting for, I can't make a call until the candidates are locked in, because I'm registered third party. I will most certainly be voting though based on who I think will do the best job; and what best job means to me. Does that mean that I think weed should be legal? Gun control? Handouts? My opinions are not really vested heavily one way or the other, I'm pretty middling, so I'll have to see the lesser of evils, no one stands out as a be all champion
I'm on mobile right now, but in general, I feel that a lot of democratic initiatives like you mentioned, work better on paper than in actuality. I don't think poverty has improved; or housing, etc. When I get back, I can look for some examples. But I'd prefer not too, and if we want to chalk it up to me speaking out my ass, that is fine
I didn't mean to offend but I wanted to throw my .02 ... Truly I'm not all that interested in politics, I come here to post about vapes and other things, so I should probably have just let the politic talk go amongst those truly invested, I just was trying to preach to have more objectivity truly.I have no clue who I'll be voting for, I can't make a call until the candidates are locked in, because I'm registered third party. I will most certainly be voting though based on who I think will do the best job; and what best job means to me. Does that mean that I think weed should be legal? Gun control? Handouts? My opinions are not really vested heavily one way or the other, I'm pretty middling, so I'll have to see the lesser of evils, no one stands out as a be all champion
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
I think the fact that folks can get medical insurance right now that hadn't been in the past is a good thing that the Democrats did.
People with pre existing conditions can keep their medical insurance. In the past people would get kicked off their medical insurance if they got too sick. I know the insurance issues aren't perfect at this point.
It should be universal healthcare and we would have had that if it hadn't been for the Republicans.
The insurance companies get too much of the pie right now. That's why premiums are through the roof. The cost of medicine causes our insurance to go up. We should be buying it like our Canadian neighbors. Sorry getting off topic a bit.
People with pre existing conditions can keep their medical insurance. In the past people would get kicked off their medical insurance if they got too sick. I know the insurance issues aren't perfect at this point.
It should be universal healthcare and we would have had that if it hadn't been for the Republicans.
The insurance companies get too much of the pie right now. That's why premiums are through the roof. The cost of medicine causes our insurance to go up. We should be buying it like our Canadian neighbors. Sorry getting off topic a bit.
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WakeAndVape
VapeLife X
The two party system is a loosing strategy all around.
He who controls the choices wins. Regardless to who's button we push in the ballot box.
Besides who tallies the votes? Can the powers that be just pick who they want to win and use public sentiment on candidates to determine the gap of vicotry?
I didn't meet too many people who supported trump until the polls started reporting his sweeping popularity.
The news reports what the country thinks. People accept and internalize these thoughts
Television programming is just that. Fuck all political parties
Often times the choice is between parties, is like the choice between getting chocolate or candy before you get fucked...
Funny how NOT getting fucked is never an option.
He who controls the choices wins. Regardless to who's button we push in the ballot box.
Besides who tallies the votes? Can the powers that be just pick who they want to win and use public sentiment on candidates to determine the gap of vicotry?
I didn't meet too many people who supported trump until the polls started reporting his sweeping popularity.
The news reports what the country thinks. People accept and internalize these thoughts
Television programming is just that. Fuck all political parties
Often times the choice is between parties, is like the choice between getting chocolate or candy before you get fucked...
Funny how NOT getting fucked is never an option.
HellsWindStaff
Dharma Initiate
Yes, did not mean to derail topic either, here is an article I just found that kind of was the jist of what I was trying to say much more eloquently
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2014/03/do-federal-social-programs-work
I will politely bow out of the conversation, though. I agree how not getting fucked never seems to be an option, I believe South Park illustrated it pretty well.....a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich
much more eloquently http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2014/03/do-federal-social-programs-work
I will politely bow out of the conversation, though. I agree how not getting fucked never seems to be an option, I believe South Park illustrated it pretty well.....a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich
lwien
Well-Known Member
May have???
The Middle East has never been stable but it was definitely more stable before we invaded Iraq.
Not everything. Sometimes the cons can so outweigh the pro's that the pro's just disappear, like invading Iraq and taking out the one stabilizing force that was holding the country together. There are some tribal countries that need to be ruled with an iron fist and if you take that fist away, chaos prevails.
But in regards to your comment that both parties are to blame for a lot of the fiasco's that have gone down, you are absolutely correct. Neither party can be held blameless, but there is a general mindset that prevails in each party and for me, my alignment is with the Dems.
I think it will be Rubio, Cruz or MAYBE Bush. Maybe Trump will go another party if he doesn't get the republican nod. Not sure if that is okay to do?
I didn't think so many people would predict Rubio as well.
If trump ends up there I predict the republican party will change, a lot, maybe members will join other political parties like libertarians, constitutionalist, etc. Maybe start a new party or two. Unless the GOP turns into the Tea Party, and the other people run to other parties.
It's always been a bit nutty but this time seems to be outlandishly nutty, like some kind of psychological experiment.
So for my guess:
Rubio
Cruz
Bush
I really think it will be Rubio vs Clinton
I didn't think so many people would predict Rubio as well.
If trump ends up there I predict the republican party will change, a lot, maybe members will join other political parties like libertarians, constitutionalist, etc. Maybe start a new party or two. Unless the GOP turns into the Tea Party, and the other people run to other parties.
It's always been a bit nutty but this time seems to be outlandishly nutty, like some kind of psychological experiment.
So for my guess:
Rubio
Cruz
Bush
I really think it will be Rubio vs Clinton