Rosin Technique....Easy DIY Solventless

nosmoking said:

I feel like someone needs to try pressing Rosin on their George Foreman grill now. For all we know, it could be the holy grail of cheap press equipment.

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Non stick fry pan jaws just let the rosin flow around the side onto the metal jaws and drip down. It was nearly impossible to collect on the non stick surface at least on a small scale, but may be worth trying with bags and drip tech in a bigger attempt. I did get one good drip down but lost 3-4 on the jaws..

@Monsoon . bookmarked. ORDERED Thanks.

Monsoon said:

There's no insulator on either one so I'm guessing it's because the the frame plate acts as a giant heatsink.

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BIG EDIT: There's an update on the new magical D-Nail parchment alternative from Facebook. Brian from D-Nail says that these sheets are very similar to what they'll be releasing in the near future. Basically PTFE release sheets for the Electrolux HSG Panini Grill, which makes complete sense if you think about it. Not sure how the official ones will be different but he says he's been using the linked ones and they work great. They seem to be out of stock there but probably can't be too hard to find similar ones elsewhere.

Thoughts? @BoogerMan @herbivore21 @Joel W.

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Awesome thanks @Monsoon!

So we know they hold up fine under the d-nail press, but since all of us are using way more psi (like wayyyyy more lol), I wonder if the sheets will still hold up okay between our custom jaws/plates?

I found them on Amazon but it is a 24 pack for almost $100

so that is the toaster bag stuff? Definitely should be called grilled cheese tek then.

Monsoon said:

There's no insulator on either one so I'm guessing it's because the the frame plate acts as a giant heatsink.

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BIG EDIT: There's an update on the new magical D-Nail parchment alternative from Facebook. Brian from D-Nail says that these sheets are very similar to what they'll be releasing in the near future. Basically PTFE release sheets for the Electrolux HSG Panini Grill, which makes complete sense if you think about it. Not sure how the official ones will be different but he says he's been using the linked ones and they work great. They seem to be out of stock there but probably can't be too hard to find similar ones elsewhere.

Thoughts? @BoogerMan @herbivore21 @Joel W.

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I have lots of thoughts and knowledge on this topic, but I really can't share. Sorry guys, but I don't wanna betray anyone's trust or especially intellectual property. That's just about the most rotten thing you can do as a scientist!

I've got some of those sheets en route already so will have word in a week or less Still, if my man uses them himself, you can take that to the bank IME and IMO!

I want to try this rosin thing out tomorrow, what is the best parchment paper one can find locally? And any tips for beginners so I don't need to scroll through a bunch of pages would be great

I use reynolds, seems to work good for me. As far as tips, can't say since you didn't specify what you want use for pressing with and what heat source you will use. I use @Joel W. cuni plates and his recommended soldering irons along with a 4.5" irwin vise but that's me. Reading back several pages may help...no need to go back to the beginning of the thread though.

herbivore21 said:

I have lots of thoughts and knowledge on this topic, but I really can't share. Sorry guys, but I don't wanna betray anyone's trust or especially intellectual property. That's just about the most rotten thing you can do as a scientist!

I've got some of those sheets en route already so will have word in a week or less Still, if my man uses them himself, you can take that to the bank IME and IMO!

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No prob dude, looking forward to when they lift the cone of silence on it.

@heady blunts : the hash I've been using is high-grade, dry-sift, imported (mainly top-shelf Moroccan hashes from the coffeeshops, grown in the Rif Mountains, but from choice foreign genetics - Dutch, US, Indian, Pakistani, Afghani, etc.; such hashes are often produced by the family of coffeeshop owners - at least the Moroccan ones- , specifically for the CS circuit).

The terps in general, just are not able to transfer as well to rosin from hash, as with flower. Likely even the process of sieving out, even dry, strips the plant of some essential terps. I mean hell, there's no hash, that reeks like the stinkiest nugs do... but yeah just my observation, no hash will produce rosin AS aromatic as some quality flower rosin, though some do still transfer the smell through the pressing well enough, however I will say the flavor profile still transfers through nicely on the taste with hash, so there's that...

Yea too many people I respect use hash for rosin for me to argue it's validity, but I've smelled and tasted bubble hash water. Definitely some terps in there...

mmm i always drink some of the bubble hash water. also it's great to water your plants with!

@herbivore21 have you used the slicksheet ptfe paper? it sounds like the same product. i'd love a comparison if you have experience with it!

where is the hype coming from on the new sheets? i missed parts of the last two weeks of hash church maybe that's where? if there's a link or whatever i'd be interested to see what is causing the commotion.

reynolds premium works nicely for me. i was using the raw but it doesn't hold up as well. anyone tried the costco brand yet?

@CrazyDiamond

the waterfall tech is achieved by combining a couple factors.

first is the way you prepare the packet. it really came out of burrito tech which is a silly name sunfire came up with but basically is by folding the packet and parchment to direct the flow of the oil to make collection easier and to get it off the hot plates asap to avoid degredation.

it's easiest to have the oil run out both sides of the burrito. when i've experimented with sending it out one side and closing off the other i often got blow outs on the back end, but i didn't pursue it much.

instead of having lots of paper extending from the hot plates, your burrito should end right at the edge. put a large sheet of parchment between the burritos and the bottom plate that extends down to the table like a slide.

the second thing is to turn the heat up. if you want it to run like that you're gonna probably need to go up to 240--260*f for flowers, 220*f for hash (guestimates).

fwiw i still press at lower temps and collect off my burrito edges. the waterfall looks really pretty in videos but until i step up to pressing larger amounts of herb at a time (with a larger press) or working with more hash it seems kinda gimmicky and a waste of time.

if you have a nice 20ton press with 20 sq in plates and you wanna press large amounts at a time and get the waterfall like the strait fam videos on IG, a row of skinny burritos across the plate will work better than one big one.

happy squooshing!

heady blunts said:

@herbivore21 have you used the slicksheet ptfe paper? it sounds like the same product. i'd love a comparison if you have experience with it!

where is the hype coming from on the new sheets? i missed parts of the last two weeks of hash church maybe that's where? if there's a link or whatever i'd be interested to see what is causing the commotion.

reynolds premium works nicely for me. i was using the raw but it doesn't hold up as well. anyone tried the costco brand yet?

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The sheets were hyped back in August/September but D-Nail's been working on their own implementation since then. I think the OilSlick PTFE sheets tend to warp after a few uses and don't last that long. I think this new stuff is reinforced sustain higher pressures. It also should make collection easier since it's completely impermeable.

I've got some OilSlick Sheets that I got for QWET so I'll give them a try myself. Depending on how it holds up I may just try to use it for collection with burrito/enchilada tech.

@Monsoon

some folks love the ptfe. it definitely deforms under pressure on the first press IME. but because it stretches it resists blow outs, so you can do some interesting stuff with it.

ganjapharmer on icmag did a cool experiment a few months ago making enclosed packets wrapped in ptfe, then poking some holes with a needle to force directional flow.

i'm not a fan of the oil slick ptfe because it's always much more difficult to separate the oil from it than from parchment IME.

also mark scaldone raised concerns over the integrity of silicone and teflon under high pressure loads. could potentially drop the "rated for" temperature drastically.

obviously parchment has similar issues.

hopefully more concrete information will become available soon with the rising popularity of rosin.

until then i stick w/ parchment because it's cheaper and more convenient for me, and it just "feels" better. it's safe for cookies!

No one answered when I asked earlier. Can I skip over a bit of the drying (going on 24 hours on cardboard) with bubble and use the left over moisture to help rosin flow?

@heady blunts thanks for the description, but I'm with you, I like staying at lower temps so no waterfalls for me, lol.

iDRINKBLEACH said:

No one answered when I asked earlier. Can I skip over a bit of the drying (going on 24 hours on cardboard) with bubble and use the left over moisture to help rosin flow?

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Yes, that should be great.

At the rate this is catching on, I won't be surprised if my local vape/smoke shops to start carrying XL temp controlled hair irons next to "extraction tubes".

Seriously, lets hope this puts a dent in the number of people blowing themselves up.

I wonder if we'll see a news story telling us "How people can make drug lab using nothing but a hair iron and parchment paper" in the future or some quack story like that.

Monsoon said:

No prob dude, looking forward to when they lift the cone of silence on it.

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Me too brother, it's gonna be epic! I am just looking forward to ditching parchment type stuff altogether. None of it ever sat well with me.

Before I went to slick wrap, I used the Oil Slick PTFE for a very long time. It was great, except that flower rosin would deform every squish, even if you presquished your puck. This is because the slick sheet (PTFE) is just not thick enough to hold its shape.

It is however one of the best materials for various other purposes, for instance, making a dab proof tablecloth etc It also is fantastic for hash squishing! If it is not deformed/discolored, you could even wash it in iso and reuse!

Still, these fluoromer coated panini grill covers are fit for purpose for every aspect of our application with the possible exception of very high pressure. I will put that to the test as much as I'm able by squishing a small piece with the full weight of my 6" vise. I should be able to test a small sized (1" square or so) sample at something like 10000psi and I'll get microscope shots of the surface before and after to help give us a better idea of any deformation. My vise won't bring down the weight that the hydraulics and shit are gonna get though, especially when using hydraulics/pneumatics with small plates

Still, I have understood from what I've heard from you guys here as well as my professional extract artist friends is that we get diminishing returns after a certain amount of pressure anyway (usually the measurements I see where these diminishing returns happen is closer to half of 10000psi).

Sorry for the double post, but here's some watery looking pull and snap flower rosin (150x) lol



Tastes LOUD!

Wow, that looks great!

I bet you need good herb for results like that?

What was your method for that batch?

(very jealous here BTW)

Copacetic said:

Wow, that looks great!

I bet you need good herb for results like that?

What was your method for that batch?

(very jealous here BTW)

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Thanks bro, it really is from some nice material! The same herb as my last cluster bomb pic.

I stopped pre-squishing after fucking up my hash press in a vise after it got gunked and I couldn't get a puck out lol Just grabbing .75g bit, presquish by hand (CLEAN HANDS!!!), put it in some oil slick wrap and squish in a cheap hair straightener in my 6" vise. Didn't even count how long I squished, I prefer to watch the side of the puck ooze and use visual cues to know when to stop. I stop squishing when the amount of rosin stops visibly growing up the slick wrap above the nug and only bubbles with continued pressing. It is so strange, I find that less squishing gives me less shattery material. This material is perfectly cured, boveda 62 pack, mason jar cool dark place.

Here's a shot of the kind of heads (from the same jar) I squished to get that.



As you can see, the final result in my last rosin pic almost replicates the color of the heads. Mostly clear/cloudy and some pale amber heads!

Not quite as nice as the full melt, but definitely a tasty dab!

All of you liking these pics who are not yet squishing should hop to it. My tek outlined above can be done by anybody for minimal cash. Grab a nug of your preferred herb and squish it in a straightener with a bit of slick wrap and a vise. Dab. Repeat.

What a time to be a dab enthusiast!

EDIT: MAJOR WARNING - You probably are gonna break a few hair straighteners in that vise before you figure out a good model. Probably ask in this thread for straighteners available in your general locale (keep it general, don't feed the doxxers) that can take the pressure

Awwwww man, you're KILLING me with these pics

I used to get stuff that approached that quality (very talented friend ) but not for a LONG time now.

I've recently been getting some alright stuff, but nothing approaching the above.

Truly 'high end' relaxation has been a spectator sport for me for some time now, but don't worry, I'm saving for a holiday in CO!

Good stuff @herbivore21 . I was using a 25 micron pressing screen, and it was soaking up some of my rosin. any way to prevent some of this?
What kind of straightner do you use @herbivore21 ? I was going to order my press today but my dodge needs repaired. So I got all this bubble n my straightner is bout to be demolished

I got a chance to try some of the material @shark sandwich had linked, today. This material looks like it may hold up to our pressures. Here is a piece I pressed without any herb, just to see if there was any damage but it looked "ok"... (the marks were on it before pressing)



After the press, the bud was still noticeably soaked in rosin, so it's not letting the rosin flow like the parchment paper does?

This could be temps, but I doubt it.

you might have to bump plate temps slightly to compensate for the thicker material @Joel W.

have you temped the wafer immediately after releasing the press? could be helpful to get an idea of internal temp vs/ plate temp.

looks like it held up excellently!

heady blunts said:

you might have to bump plate temps slightly to compensate for the thicker material @Joel W.

have you temped the wafer immediately after releasing the press? could be helpful to get an idea of internal temp vs/ plate temp.

looks like it held up excellently!

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You may be right on the temps, I did not temp the wafer/puck afterwards but it was in the heat quite a while and the oil barely moved outside the jaws. Collection is much more difficult, but not impossible. I had to press really hard onto the rosin and drag it, to get it to release from the material, this left some visible marks on the material in the right light.

I need to play with it more but shop time is short right now.

Edit: It looks like the part of the puck that was soaked in rosin, may have squished outside the jaws. If so, that is normal for my experience.. I can not see through this stuff when pressing to make sure all the puck is inside the jaws., which is another bummer.