• Do NOT click on any vaporpedia.com links. The domain has been compromised and will attempt to infect your system. See https://fuckcombustion.com/threads/warning-vaporpedia-com-has-been-compromised.54960/.

next generation e-nails?

MPZ

Well-Known Member
I don't have a Mighty or an herb attachment but maybe a Mighty oil pad with the dab placed in it used in the herb attachment would work, too. Or these

Thanks for the heads up! I didn't know anyone actually made ceramic pads like that! I will certainly be trying those out alongside the other options I have been considering for convection vaping with my D-nail Herb adapter :D:tup:

Had there been private info in her email I would have definitely not posted it. Instructions for proper assembly of the slim series bases didn't strike me as confidential :tup:

Perhaps the reason the outer wall of your quartz halo isn't conducting heat well is because the big washer doesn't come into contact with the dish around the rim :sherlock:



Did some testing on the CCA turtle banger today. Able to run it about 15 degrees cooler than the quartz halo, doing bigger dabs and seeing very little residual vapor trails after a dab. Again ceramic takes the cake for big, thick, low temp dabs but the turtle banger can handle some decent size dabs and the hits are super tasty. Loving the storm cell too. Just wish it had a ball point dabber instead of the spatula it currently has.

On a side note the D-Nail 1.2 is spot on with the 20mm barrel coil. It over shoots by only 1 degree when heating up and only drops a degree or 2 on big dabs. :clap:

A third hand base and cross-lock tweezers work awesome for torching SiC clean and holding sapphire while it cools:2c:
:peace:

I had to google the CCA turtle banger- found it on amazon lol. At $65 I'm tempted to just pick one up for my best friend- he told me not to buy him a nail because of the expense (he was originally going to contribute to me buying him a SiC or Quartz halo within the rest of my upcoming D-nail order, but for various reasons he doesent want to anymore, and doesn't want me to spend so much buying it outright since I'm already spending so much on my personal setup. Also he reports that his XL quave bangers are treating him quite well lol :) but $65 is cheap. Also since he torches I imagine the TI sleeve will make the quartz last longer.

I presume by ceramic you mean the SiC dish? If I get a nice tax return, I'm going to have to buy my friend one of those regardless of the cost. I really think he will benefit from its capability to run large dabs at lower temps than quartz.

Now that I think about it, I should probably wait until I have my setup to buy my friend anything- this way he can see what he thinks of convection dabbing. I'm also hoping he can find some opportunity to try out a d-nail again, but this time try either turning down the temperature or even turning the unit off mid-dab (he sold his d-nail because the continuous heat bothered his throat). Also I don't think he ever used his d-nail below ~700f, so if he could try a SiC on a D-nail at 5-600f that might make a difference as well. I suppose we will have to play it by ear.

Either way, more impressions are always appreciated- as much as he is enjoying his Quave XL bangers, I want to give him the birthday gift of an even better expereince!

@herbivore21
D-nail flower adapter and errlectric strike me as somewhat similar, d-nail seems to be able to get more clouds with flowers (comparing to videos I have seen from people like @DieHard - I've not used one myself though so may be missing some nuance here) but then errlectric allows dabbing too which dnail does not. Both require stirring for larger loads IIRC. Errlectric has more separate parts. Very similar units on the whole though.

I think it comes down to whether you want to dab on the herb nail and whether you want to use an enail controller which for other nails is going to mean you cannot change heaters without changing nail because the two are one. This really is the deal breaking/making difference between the two product IMO.

For me, I don't dab on the same rig that I use flowers on. Never have. I prefer much more percolation and a considerably bigger can for flower hits than for dabbing (of course this is personal preference - ain't no right or wrong here!). I have a separate dnail 1.2 with flower adapter on my luke wilson rig, while I use my ninja 1.2 on my SiC/Quartz/broken sapphire halos (OMG my replacement sapphire halo arrives tomorrow or the day after!!!!!!!!) on my Kevin Murray piece. That way flower hits and dabs are always ready on demand :D These kinds of factors in the end will probably inform your decision more than anything - how do you want to use it?

For my 2 cents, if you want to do convection dabs only (sounds like it), then get the d-nail flower adapter. Less parts needed and you don't wanna dab conduction anyway from the sound of it!? The d-nail flower adapter is also compatible with a broader variety of controllers which will mean it can be had much cheaper. I will highlight though - DO NOT BOTHER WITH THE ANALOG CONTROLLERS FOR FLOWER ADAPTERS!

Way too easy to accidentally combust with flowers due to inaccuracy of temp on dial of analogs to actual temp (these do not correlate with temps on dial of digital units at all IME and I've used two different analogs now!).

Continued....

To be clear, I am indeed going for a Lotus flower adapter (along with a mini ninja nail- I would have gone with the full ninja but I'm not sure which rig will accompany my lotus yet)- the delay on my purchase has been due to indecision over what to buy for my best friend. My curiosity about the errlectric is mostly "academic"- also I'm keen to pick up whatever tips I can find to get the results I want from the convection approach.

As far as rigs go, it appears that some in this thread consider them off-topic, but I disagree- as long as the discussion is around optimal rigs for our e-nail setups. Personally, I still have a lot of exploring to do as far as rigs are concerned- mostly because I still have yet to find my ideal vaping setup (though I am quite confident that the lotus will be it for me based on my previous experiences). On the other hand, I have been fortunate enough to hit a lot of really nice rigs, as my best friend is a high-end glass enthusiast (mostly with an arizer solo, thermovape cera, or source orb/Kind MD Vapes Sslim oil pen)

I have actually found that my preferences between pieces tend to stay the same whether I am vaping flowers or oil- but this is likely because I have a very small tolerance, and am usually looking for very specific effects (and thus tend to be forced into a more smaller rips approach to vape at very low temps). On the other hand, I suspect I agree with Herbivore in theory if not in practice- which is to say, there is a particular temperature range I like my vapor to be within when it gets to my mouth, and I will sacrifice some flavor to achieve the added diffusion (percolation) and water cooling (Can size, water level in the rig) necessary to maintain said temperature range.

The other big variable, IMO, is airiness- which I presume is the air to vapor ratio of a given rig. For example, my best friend owned both a Mothership Fab Egg and a Mothership Mini-beaker for the longest time- and he never could decide which one he preferred. I suspect the biggest reason for this is that the Fab Egg delivers airier hits (imo) than the mini beaker (percolation is actually similar between the two, as IIRC they both have Mothership's seed of life percs on them). I think the mini beaker gives a touch more water cooling, but I would have to ask my friend. Personally, I prefer the Mini beaker- I presume because with the small, low-temperature rips I take, the fab egg has too much airflow for me, resulting in a drop in flavor density. Of course, the wide variance in percolation between pieces can make these kinds of comparisons much more difficult.

So I guess the TL,DR of all that I just posted is that everyone has a different dabbing style, and everyone has different temperature and air to vapor ratios they prefer- so (as we all seem to agree already) everyone's rig needs are different. On the other hand, I feel it is extremely helpful to hear impressions of the "airiness," amount of water cooling, and flavor density of various rigs, when presented in context and relative to other rigs. In a dream world there would be a review website doing some hardcore CFD/flow bench style testing of various rigs so we could all have hard data as well, but we ain't that mainstream yet....

For my income mini ninja nail/ Lotus adapter setup, I am opting for one of these:
DSC_0301__52809.1437599535.1280.1280.JPG


A Grav Labs Diffusion pump. I wish the website I am getting it from (big black friday sale) had the latest version:
BDP.jpg


which shows that it's not a copy but an authorized "collab," but what ya gonna do right... at least the other one comes in a black label version...

I am choosing this piece because I really love flavor density (which this design has in spades from what I hear- and my best friend has hit one) and I don't think I will need the airiness that would come from a more conventional design/more percolation given the small hits I favor. At the very least, I'm willing to pay the ~$120-130 to find out.

Hope that wall of text was of some use to someone...

Edit: sorry for the obnoxiously long post! Edit 2: anyone know if Healthstones are actually inert? I just realized they might be perfect instead of metal pad for convection vaping!
 
Last edited:

MileHighLife

Blower of glass, grower of grass
Thanks for the heads up! I didn't know anyone actually made ceramic pads like that! I will certainly be trying those out alongside the other options I have been considering for convection vaping with my D-nail Herb adapter :D:tup:



I had to google the CCA turtle banger- found it on amazon lol. At $65 I'm tempted to just pick one up for my best friend- he told me not to buy him a nail because of the expense (he was originally going to contribute to me buying him a SiC or Quartz halo within the rest of my upcoming D-nail order, but for various reasons he doesent want to anymore, and doesn't want me to spend so much buying it outright since I'm already spending so much on my personal setup. Also he reports that his XL quave bangers are treating him quite well lol :) but $65 is cheap. Also since he torches I imagine the TI sleeve will make the quartz last longer.

I presume by ceramic you mean the SiC dish? If I get a nice tax return, I'm going to have to buy my friend one of those regardless of the cost. I really think he will benefit from its capability to run large dabs at lower temps than quartz.

Now that I think about it, I should probably wait until I have my setup to buy my friend anything- this way he can see what he thinks of convection dabbing. I'm also hoping he can find some opportunity to try out a d-nail again, but this time try either turning down the temperature or even turning the unit off mid-dab (he sold his d-nail because the continuous heat bothered his throat). Also I don't think he ever used his d-nail below ~700f, so if he could try a SiC on a D-nail at 5-600f that might make a difference as well. I suppose we will have to play it by ear.

Either way, more impressions are always appreciated- as much as he is enjoying his Quave XL bangers, I want to give him the birthday gift of an even better expereince!

@herbivore21


To be clear, I am indeed going for a Lotus flower adapter (along with a mini ninja nail- I would have gone with the full ninja but I'm not sure which rig will accompany my lotus yet)- the delay on my purchase has been due to indecision over what to buy for my best friend. My curiosity about the errlectric is mostly "academic"- also I'm keen to pick up whatever tips I can find to get the results I want from the convection approach.

As far as rigs go, it appears that some in this thread consider them off-topic, but I disagree- as long as the discussion is around optimal rigs for our e-nail setups. Personally, I still have a lot of exploring to do as far as rigs are concerned- mostly because I still have yet to find my ideal vaping setup (though I am quite confident that the lotus will be it for me based on my previous experiences). On the other hand, I have been fortunate enough to hit a lot of really nice rigs, as my best friend is a high-end glass enthusiast (mostly with an arizer solo, thermovape cera, or source orb/Kind MD Vapes Sslim oil pen)

I have actually found that my preferences between pieces tend to stay the same whether I am vaping flowers or oil- but this is likely because I have a very small tolerance, and am usually looking for very specific effects (and thus tend to be forced into a more smaller rips approach to vape at very low temps). On the other hand, I suspect I agree with Herbivore in theory if not in practice- which is to say, there is a particular temperature range I like my vapor to be within when it gets to my mouth, and I will sacrifice some flavor to achieve the added diffusion (percolation) and water cooling (Can size, water level in the rig) necessary to maintain said temperature range.

The other big variable, IMO, is airiness- which I presume is the air to vapor ratio of a given rig. For example, my best friend owned both a Mothership Fab Egg and a Mothership Mini-beaker for the longest time- and he never could decide which one he preferred. I suspect the biggest reason for this is that the Fab Egg delivers airier hits (imo) than the mini beaker (percolation is actually similar between the two, as IIRC they both have Mothership's seed of life percs on them). I think the mini beaker gives a touch more water cooling, but I would have to ask my friend. Personally, I prefer the Mini beaker- I presume because with the small, low-temperature rips I take, the fab egg has too much airflow for me, resulting in a drop in flavor density. Of course, the wide variance in percolation between pieces can make these kinds of comparisons much more difficult.

So I guess the TL,DR of all that I just posted is that everyone has a different dabbing style, and everyone has different temperature and air to vapor ratios they prefer- so (as we all seem to agree already) everyone's rig needs are different. On the other hand, I feel it is extremely helpful to hear impressions of the "airiness," amount of water cooling, and flavor density of various rigs, when presented in context and relative to other rigs. In a dream world there would be a review website doing some hardcore CFD/flow bench style testing of various rigs so we could all have hard data as well, but we ain't that mainstream yet....

For my income mini ninja nail/ Lotus adapter setup, I am opting for one of these:
DSC_0301__52809.1437599535.1280.1280.JPG


A Grav Labs Diffusion pump. I wish the website I am getting it from (big black friday sale) had the latest version:
BDP.jpg


which shows that it's not a copy but an authorized "collab," but what ya gonna do right... at least the other one comes in a black label version...

I am choosing this piece because I really love flavor density (which this design has in spades from what I hear- and my best friend has hit one) and I don't think I will need the airiness that would come from a more conventional design/more percolation given the small hits I favor. At the very least, I'm willing to pay the ~$120-130 to find out.

Hope that wall of text was of some use to someone...

Edit: sorry for the obnoxiously long post! Edit 2: anyone know if Healthstones are actually inert? I just realized they might be perfect instead of metal pad for convection vaping!
The turtle bangers are only $34 on their website.

FYI the Ninja Nail Mini uses an XMT 7100 pid. The same pid that high5 uses in their cheap unit. The high5 portable unit is $244 with a coil, warranty and superior PID.
:2c:

Health stones are inert as they're just porous ceramic. They are made to sit in the ground part of an 18/19 mm joint though so I don't think they'd work with the Lotus unless you narrowed them down a bit to fit down lower in the herb chamber.
 
Last edited:

MPZ

Well-Known Member
The turtle bangers are only $34 on their website.

FYI the Ninja Nail Mini uses an XMT 7100 pid. The same pid that high5 uses in their cheap unit. The high5 portable unit is $244 with a coil, warranty and superior PID.
:2c:

Health stones are inert as they're just porous ceramic. They are made to sit in the ground part of an 18/19 mm joint though so I don't think they'd work with the Lotus unless you narrowed them down a bit to fit down lower in the herb chamber.

I :love: this thread- you guys are so helpful! I had no idea the mini ninja used a PID inferior to the standard D-nail! The price is amazing on that High5 unit- I just worry because the warranty is void if you use it with other nails. On the other hand, that kit is so cheap that I bet it really wouldn't be all that expensive if I had to replace just the control unit. I have been leaning towards a d nail controller since the Lotus flower adapter is designed for them, but given that with the lotus I am setting the temp of the coil within it and not the air, perhaps this isn't necessary.

Do you know how compatible the high5 portable is with D-nail products? Due to circumstances I can't really explain without making private e-mails public I haven't technically ordered my d-nail stuff yet. And as much as I want to support/encourage their R&D, I'm a student and would thus love to save some money on a pid (and scoop a case to boot :) I was actually originally also considering an Auber... I guess I should probably do some PID research right about now.

If you have any further insights into what controller I should go for, or details about this High5 with D-nail products, I am ALL ears :):tup:

Thanks!!!

edit: I just got off the phone with a friend and he pointed out what you just did- as you say, a healthstone won't fit. The silver Surfer porous ceramic pads someone linked come in 14mm- I will have to ask d-nail for some dimensions to find out if they will fit- I hope so, I would prefer using ceramic to stainless
 

PoopMachine

Well-Known Member
The Auber is a great unit. Im using a Terpz right now also. They both work great.

I dont think there is enough of a difference between PIDs to let that influence your choice. If it fluctuates a couple of degrees and the Dnail one doesnt, big deal. A few degrees is nothing. FWIW, my Auber and Terpz unit are both pretty damn solid temperature wise.
 

MileHighLife

Blower of glass, grower of grass
I :love: this thread- you guys are so helpful! I had no idea the mini ninja used a PID inferior to the standard D-nail! The price is amazing on that High5 unit- I just worry because the warranty is void if you use it with other nails. On the other hand, that kit is so cheap that I bet it really wouldn't be all that expensive if I had to replace just the control unit. I have been leaning towards a d nail controller since the Lotus flower adapter is designed for them, but given that with the lotus I am setting the temp of the coil within it and not the air, perhaps this isn't necessary.

Do you know how compatible the high5 portable is with D-nail products? Due to circumstances I can't really explain without making private e-mails public I haven't technically ordered my d-nail stuff yet. And as much as I want to support/encourage their R&D, I'm a student and would thus love to save some money on a pid (and scoop a case to boot :) I was actually originally also considering an Auber... I guess I should probably do some PID research right about now.

If you have any further insights into what controller I should go for, or details about this High5 with D-nail products, I am ALL ears :):tup:

Thanks!!!

edit: I just got off the phone with a friend and he pointed out what you just did- as you say, a healthstone won't fit. The silver Surfer porous ceramic pads someone linked come in 14mm- I will have to ask d-nail for some dimensions to find out if they will fit- I hope so, I would prefer using ceramic to stainless
The pin layout on the High5 units is different than D-Nails layout so they're not compatible together. That's why High5 says the warranty is void if you use other manufacturers coils on their unit.

Auber uses the same pin layout as D-Nail and would be compatible with the Lotus and D-Nail coils.

So your buying this setup solely for use with the Lotus attachment? I just re-read your post and noticed that. Seems like a huge investment for a convection vape. Why not go with a more compact and refined convection vape and do convection dabs with that? You can pull some insane convection dabs with an Underdog, fine tuning the heat using a VVPS, and they're super sexy.

I actually just ordered some of those SSV ceramic disks that I'd linked to in 14mm yesterday to try out with my 14mm Underdog gongs.

Seems a bit finicky ...
 

alittledabwilldoya'

Sapphire Powered Dabstronaut.
I :love: this thread- you guys are so helpful!

Agreed!
Because of the info gleaned here, I am in dab heaven!


I was actually originally also considering an Auber... I guess I should probably do some PID research right about now.

If you have any further insights into what controller I should go for, or details about this High5 with D-nail products, I am ALL ears :):tup:

Thanks!!!

I note that you are looking @ a travel rig?
I am quite happy with my Auber RDK-200 for home use and just picked up and RDK-150 for travel use:

http://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=45&products_id=491

12V DC for the trip (I bought it for the parking lot at the ski resort) and an AC converter once you reach your destination.

Flat coil only.
Which is cool for me, as I am a devotee of the SiC Halo.

:D
 
Last edited:

MPZ

Well-Known Member
The pin layout on the High5 units is different than D-Nails layout so they're not compatible together. That's why High5 says the warranty is void if you use other manufacturers coils on their unit.

Auber uses the same pin layout as D-Nail and would be compatible with the Lotus and D-Nail coils.

So your buying this setup solely for use with the Lotus attachment? I just re-read your post and noticed that. Seems like a huge investment for a convection vape. Why not go with a more compact and refined convection vape and do convection dabs with that? You can pull some insane convection dabs with an Underdog, fine tuning the heat using a VVPS, and they're super sexy.

I actually just ordered some of those SSV ceramic disks that I'd linked to in 14mm yesterday to try out with my 14mm Underdog gongs.

Seems a bit finicky ...

Why am I going for a lotus?

2 reasons: temperature accuracy and the e-nail format.

As far as temperature accuracy is concerned, I have hit a pretty decent number of vapes over the years. I have owned an extreme q, a solo, a magic flight launch box, and a loose leaf cera (and hit an oil cera), and hit both analog and digital volcanoes, a silver surfer, a vaporbros, etc. A big part of the reason I had difficulties is that I am quite allergic to mold, and getting 110% clean flowers can be difficult in Washington state (mold everywhere here- I'm moving as soon as I finish school), is that I could never regulate temperature as well as I needed, to control the effect profile I got as well as I wanted. While I could get the results I wanted from the Cera, it was an analog vape so consistency was a big issue.

Then I hit a Herbalizer..... and discovered just how important accurate temperature control is to me. However, the Herbalizer is $750, and from what I've read here on FC it's not all that great with oil. Granted, the Lotus won't be as precise (nor calibrated such that what you see on the temp screen is what you get) as the herbalizer, but at least having the heating element's temperature be accurate to within ~+-5 degrees is still a huge win for me. I could go on, but that would require explaining a lot about my tolerance, other allergy issues, etc... but you probably get the idea.

As far as the e-nail platform goes, if my tolerance goes up it leaves me the option of things like the Sic halo at 450-500f or the sapphire shelf (maybe even halo if it goes up for sale and I have the money)- but whatever attatchment I go for, high temperature accuracy will be consistent.

I watched that video you uploaded back when I was first researching the lotus- seems pretty obvious to me that if the flowers make contact with the lotus, they will get too much heat directly from the titanium.

What control unit would you suggest? I'm wondering if I can save money without sacrificing too much temperature accuracy, but of course its hard to say how well other units will work with the coil in the Lotus. Theoretically I could buy say, an Auber RDK200 and see if it was sufficient, then get a d-nail unit and sell it if I wasn't happy, but I would rather not have to resort to that.

@alittledabwilldoya'
I have heard many great things about the Auber... I just don't know how well it will work with the D-nail coil within the Lotus. Seems most people around here aren't using them with d-nail coils...
 

chainz

Well-Known Member
For my 2 cents, if you want to do convection dabs only (sounds like it), then get the d-nail flower adapter. Less parts needed and you don't wanna dab conduction anyway from the sound of it!? The d-nail flower adapter is also compatible with a broader variety of controllers which will mean it can be had much cheaper. I will highlight though - DO NOT BOTHER WITH THE ANALOG CONTROLLERS FOR FLOWER ADAPTERS!

Way too easy to accidentally combust with flowers due to inaccuracy of temp on dial of analogs to actual temp (these do not correlate with temps on dial of digital units at all IME and I've used two different analogs now!).

Continued....

I have the Flower adapter as well, do you ever adjust your pid settings? i find i can keep it alot more stable and prevent combustion by retuning my pid settings from what id use to dab
 

MileHighLife

Blower of glass, grower of grass
Why am I going for a lotus?

2 reasons: temperature accuracy and the e-nail format.

As far as temperature accuracy is concerned, I have hit a pretty decent number of vapes over the years. I have owned an extreme q, a solo, a magic flight launch box, and a loose leaf cera (and hit an oil cera), and hit both analog and digital volcanoes, a silver surfer, a vaporbros, etc. A big part of the reason I had difficulties is that I am quite allergic to mold, and getting 110% clean flowers can be difficult in Washington state (mold everywhere here- I'm moving as soon as I finish school), is that I could never regulate temperature as well as I needed, to control the effect profile I got as well as I wanted. While I could get the results I wanted from the Cera, it was an analog vape so consistency was a big issue.

Then I hit a Herbalizer..... and discovered just how important accurate temperature control is to me. However, the Herbalizer is $750, and from what I've read here on FC it's not all that great with oil. Granted, the Lotus won't be as precise (nor calibrated such that what you see on the temp screen is what you get) as the herbalizer, but at least having the heating element's temperature be accurate to within ~+-5 degrees is still a huge win for me. I could go on, but that would require explaining a lot about my tolerance, other allergy issues, etc... but you probably get the idea.

As far as the e-nail platform goes, if my tolerance goes up it leaves me the option of things like the Sic halo at 450-500f or the sapphire shelf (maybe even halo if it goes up for sale and I have the money)- but whatever attatchment I go for, high temperature accuracy will be consistent.

I watched that video you uploaded back when I was first researching the lotus- seems pretty obvious to me that if the flowers make contact with the lotus, they will get too much heat directly from the titanium.

What control unit would you suggest? I'm wondering if I can save money without sacrificing too much temperature accuracy, but of course its hard to say how well other units will work with the coil in the Lotus. Theoretically I could buy say, an Auber RDK200 and see if it was sufficient, then get a d-nail unit and sell it if I wasn't happy, but I would rather not have to resort to that.

@alittledabwilldoya'
I have heard many great things about the Auber... I just don't know how well it will work with the D-nail coil within the Lotus. Seems most people around here aren't using them with d-nail coils...
The rdk 200/300 works well with the flat coils from d nail but I've never tried it with the lotus so I can't say how they'd do together. Think you'll have to be the guinea pig on that one but it should work fine. If you do get the Auber there are 2 settings I'd suggest you tweak with a little bit as the controllers are a bit slow out of the box but after a bit of tuning they operate more like a high5 (with xmt 7100 pid) and similar to the D-Nail 1.2 with temps fluctuating 5 - 10 more degrees on the Auber/high5 pids during a big dab.

So Auber for price and ease of use (knob temp adjustments are great). D-Nail 1.2 or Ninja Nail for accuracy. I've never been able to tell a difference in hits between the 2 other than numbers on the pid but it sounds like accuracy is important to you. It could play a bigger role with the Lotus too.
 

herbivore21

Well-Known Member
Accuracy is definitely important for the lotus, since 5-10 degrees for a cloud chaser may be enough discrepancy to mean accidental combustion instead of amazing vapor with drier flowers for example.

With concentrates, this discrepancy is less of an issue. I would agree 100% with milehighlife too. D-nail units for accuracy all the way, but the cheaper ones are alright if small fluctuations/less coping with wind etc are not a big deal in your situation.

I'd say if you are going to use the lotus for flowers at all or you are wanting to get the most clouds possible without compromising on taste in non full-melt bubble hashes, you should consider a proper dnail controller for it's tighter temp controls. Otherwise, most digital units should be reasonable too :)
 
Liger v2s with SiC insert are $130 for cca710s cyber Monday deal with the "fuckcombustion" discount code.
I wish there were more reviews for the Liger V2 before dropping cash for one. I do like the way it looks, but right now I'm leaning towards a D-Nail Base V1.4 and SiC halo for about the same price and seems more efficient/precise with the use of a flat coil. By the way, did you ever get your $30 flat coil from overseas?
 
Last edited:

MPZ

Well-Known Member
The rdk 200/300 works well with the flat coils from d nail but I've never tried it with the lotus so I can't say how they'd do together. Think you'll have to be the guinea pig on that one but it should work fine. If you do get the Auber there are 2 settings I'd suggest you tweak with a little bit as the controllers are a bit slow out of the box but after a bit of tuning they operate more like a high5 (with xmt 7100 pid) and similar to the D-Nail 1.2 with temps fluctuating 5 - 10 more degrees on the Auber/high5 pids during a big dab.

So Auber for price and ease of use (knob temp adjustments are great). D-Nail 1.2 or Ninja Nail for accuracy. I've never been able to tell a difference in hits between the 2 other than numbers on the pid but it sounds like accuracy is important to you. It could play a bigger role with the Lotus too.

I suppose the real question for me is whether the Auber will overshoot or not (I imagine Pid settings could influence this). Given the price difference between the two, I would be perfectly ok with the Auber dropping an extra 10 degrees under load. On the other hand, going over my intended temperature target is very much bad news for me in terms of control of the effects I get (though of course this varies with what I am vaping- in some cases I imagine it would simply be solved by tolerance)- and of course I want to avoid combustion.

Accuracy is definitely important for the lotus, since 5-10 degrees for a cloud chaser may be enough discrepancy to mean accidental combustion instead of amazing vapor with drier flowers for example.

With concentrates, this discrepancy is less of an issue. I would agree 100% with milehighlife too. D-nail units for accuracy all the way, but the cheaper ones are alright if small fluctuations/less coping with wind etc are not a big deal in your situation.

I'd say if you are going to use the lotus for flowers at all or you are wanting to get the most clouds possible without compromising on taste in non full-melt bubble hashes, you should consider a proper dnail controller for it's tighter temp controls. Otherwise, most digital units should be reasonable too :)

Due to my allergy issues here in Washington, I have been avoiding flowers, but I certainly want to use them in the future, and higher end I-502 stuff has left my allergies alone in the past. Man, this is a tough one- especially because with d-nail, buying a lotus gives a discount on the 1.2

I think I will just go for D-nail- the difference between ~70 and 250 is significant, but the performance really matters to me at the end of the day. I think I kinda blew the price difference out of proportion in my head because of how much I'm spending all at once between the d-nail setup, a rig for it, and Black Friday weekend (consumerism holiday makes me sad, but I'm not going to simply ignore the lowest prices of the year on lots of things).

Thanks again guys!
 

alittledabwilldoya'

Sapphire Powered Dabstronaut.
Last edited:

MileHighLife

Blower of glass, grower of grass
I wish there were more reviews for the Liger V2 before dropping cash for one. I do like the way it looks, but right now I'm leaning towards a D-Nail Base V1.4 and SiC halo for about the same price and seems more efficient/precise with the use of a flat coil. By the way, did you ever get your $30 flat coil from overseas?
Yeah the turtle banger works great. Flavor is really good and with the storm cell it's a really efficient little nail. Due to the titanium sleeve the banger is much skinnier than a typical banger would be so make sure you get the 20mm if you get one. I think the 16mm would be almost unusable.
 
Yeah the turtle banger works great. Flavor is really good and with the storm cell it's a really efficient little nail. Due to the titanium sleeve the banger is much skinnier than a typical banger would be so make sure you get the 20mm if you get one. I think the 16mm would be almost unusable.
That's great to hear. Have you had any issues with the heating coil slipping or sliding?
 

heady blunts

Well-Known Member
i just had the loveliest customer service from that dedicated do-gooder at d-nail's distribution department.

all issues resolved! she gave me a coupon towards a carb cap to smooth any hurt feelings. it worked! i feel great!

good timing with the v2 cap restock!
 
Last edited:

rolln_j

Well-Known Member
@heady blunts - good to hear, I knew they would get you sorted - and you are gonna need something to carb with anyhow to make the most out of the SiC - I used one the open end of those little jars that dabs come in for a hot minute once bc I somehow managed to leave my carb cap at home - worked in a pinch

@MileHighLife that is a super sexy heating coil (hate to even call it a coil)
 

Gonzo_da_wind

Well-Known Member
Yeah the turtle banger works great. Flavor is really good and with the storm cell it's a really efficient little nail. Due to the titanium sleeve the banger is much skinnier than a typical banger would be so make sure you get the 20mm if you get one. I think the 16mm would be almost unusable.
CAUTION!!! THE TURTLE BANGERS ARE NOT for anyone who is not A)Experienced enail user B)Experienced and/or well informed in using an enail with quartz nail..... The Ti shell is amazing as far as the Ti's heat dispersion helping make up for Quartz shortcomings in that aspect.....
HOWEVER THE TURTLE BANGER IS EXTREMELY SUSCEPTIBLE TO BREAKING FROM HEAT STRESS /THERMAL SHOCK Whenever considering the intergrity of the design of a product made of materials with radically different thermal properties.... a product that undergoes as its main function an exreme heating and coolřing process .... keep in mind these substances dont "share" thier thermal qualities .I think of ig like These qualities can be thought to be competeing And if one of the materials thermal prooerties that is so too much greater or less than the other then the weaker materials structureal integrity is compromised
 

DMPesso

Well-Known Member
Hey I'm sure this has probably been asked as I haven't read the entire thread but do you guys think the D nail analog package is better than the mininail brand that's made in Washington? I'm looking to spend the least amount but have something that functions right out the box. I'm not an extreme dabber I barely dab because I can't stand using a torch. I mainly go for co2 oil or something like the clear from harborside which is a super clean purged bho. I tend to stay away from wax and other oils as most of it has a harsh residual taste. The only clean stuff I can get in NY is co2 oil and ganja gold. Can someone recommend me the best setup for minimal cost ?
 

MileHighLife

Blower of glass, grower of grass
CAUTION!!! THE TURTLE BANGERS ARE NOT for anyone who is not A)Experienced enail user B)Experienced and/or well informed in using an enail with quartz nail..... The Ti shell is amazing as far as the Ti's heat dispersion helping make up for Quartz shortcomings in that aspect.....
HOWEVER THE TURTLE BANGER IS EXTREMELY SUSCEPTIBLE TO BREAKING FROM HEAT STRESS /THERMAL SHOCK Whenever considering the intergrity of the design of a product made of materials with radically different thermal properties.... a product that undergoes as its main function an exreme heating and coolřing process .... keep in mind these substances dont "share" thier thermal qualities .I think of ig like These qualities can be thought to be competeing And if one of the materials thermal prooerties that is so too much greater or less than the other then the weaker materials structureal integrity is compromised
The titanium shell has two functions. First, it disperses the heat evenly across the banger and second it protects the banger from breakage. With the typical e nail banger you need to remove the coil during cool down or risk the banger being crushed as the coil cools. The titanium shell on the turtle banger easily slides on and off the banger when hot, cold, heating and cooling.

The turtle banger works at super low temps compared to the quartz halo. It's crazy and unexpected. I have it set at 625 F right now and it's producing thick super tasty hits. It doesn't handle globs like ceramic does but it's definitely my most flavor nail right now and handles bigger dabs than the quartz halo at 685 F.

Can't wait to compare the Liger w/ SiC insert with the SiC halo.

@slowandsteady the Hyman coil is great. Coiled perfectly with a very flexible 6" cable.

Edit: @DMPesso check out High5 vape enails. Their cheap kits work great out of the box and come with a coil of your choice. Then you can add your nail of choice to the controller/coil. So for a lot cheaper than that mininail you could get the High5 with either a D-Nail halo/slim series base/generation 2 carb cap, a Liger v2 with insert and Storm Cell carb cap or whatever nail you like.
 
Last edited:
Top Bottom