The Future of Vaporizing

shredder

Well-Known Member
I know that there's some anecdotal evidence on this but I'd sure like to see something a bit more scientific in regards to specific strains that are more vaporizer friendly. If, in fact, this can be proven somehow it could open up a whole new strain category, eh?
You have anecdotal evidence of this? Please share.

The flavors can be altered through breeding with an eye towards turpene profiles, that's being done as we speak, but I think the cure and storage of the herb is more likely to make it suitable for a particular vape, or style of vaping. And of course personal taste is variable, so what we like, may not be what others might like.
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
I'm vaping some Blueberry in my Nano and it's very vaporizer friendly - damn near perfect.

We all have different taste perceptions. That would be the same with different strains that you would be using.

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I'm sure glad I haven't any obligations this evening.:smug:
 

Khantagious

Well-Known Member
I think the cure and storage of the herb is more likely to make it suitable for a particular vape, or style of vaping.

This is definitely true in my experience. I've had herbs that have vaporized really nicely (efficient and even extraction), but then weeks later, I would get the same strain from a different harvest only to find that the flavor was pretty much the same but it just didn't vaporize as well (at least, not with my setup).
 

Skyscraper

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I have also heard of this phenomenon. I have a good friend who has bred plants for several generations. He almost always ends up with some branches that are total seed bomb (don't worry there's always plenty of kind sinsemilla bud). Just leaf and seed with very little bud. I have vaped the leaves and not been able to get more than one good hit out of them. This makes me think that herb that doesn't last long in a vape or provides wispy hits has very few trichomes present on the surface.

EDIT: Hypothetical scenario if the above suggestion is true. If you buy 20-25% THC herb that doesn't vape well from a dispensary, then what happened to all those trichomes?
 
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ChooChooCharlie

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Ditto - for example, very humid today. Not good vaping. darn particles clump.
And that lousy herb, well got it here about every other bag. Grrr. Beggars can't be choosers.

I know this may annoy many, but as for the future of vaping, I'd like to see a "Camry" vape.

A true daily driver.

Then more people will try and hopefully switch. Focus on ergonomics, easy of use before, during, after sessions. Less on horsepower/engine type, more focus on ride comfort, handling.

But that's me.
 

grokit

well-worn member
I know this may annoy many, but as for the future of vaping, I'd like to see a "Camry" vape.

A true daily driver.

Then more people will try and hopefully switch. Focus on ergonomics, easy of use before, during, after sessions. Less on horsepower/engine type, more focus on ride comfort, handling.
That's pretty much what the new s&b portables are, just charge them fill them and draw vapor :tup:
 

ChooChooCharlie

Well-Known Member
Now that Bob Stiller has more time on his hands, maybe this is the future. Hold on.



Upon entering one of Mr. Stiller's new franchised and branded tasting lounges, you are greeted by an android who says, "Welcome to Stonebucks. Choose your pod. The bar code is read by the Storz-Bickel Steady, and the temperature and time will be set automatically. Enjoy your visit to Stonebucks."
 

MinnBobber

Well-Known Member
Now that Bob Stiller has more time on his hands, maybe this is the future. Hold on.



Upon entering one of Mr. Stiller's new franchised and branded tasting lounges, you are greeted by an android who says, "Welcome to Stonebucks. Choose your pod. The bar code is read by the Storz-Bickel Steady, and the temperature and time will be set automatically. Enjoy your visit to Stonebucks."
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I think Israel has a system like this already. They're way ahead of most of the world RE cannabis, cannabis research etc.
I think they have pre-packed cannabis doses, ready to be vaped. Like a Keurig coffee "dose".

I need to search as I read about it many months ago
 

MinnBobber

Well-Known Member
@MinnBobber : Holy crap. Just watched a product demo vid of the Syqe Inhaler.
Have no idea if or how this thing works.
The future. Be afraid, be very afraid.
(don't want to post link, gut feel -- newbie here)
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Yes, that's the one.

It kind of goes beyond a unique/ precise vaporizer.
It connects to your Dr's smartphone who can then adjust the dosage.

It takes it to another level and that level includes more control over your vaping :(
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
This I found within an article about this year's Hempfest. The new law in WA disallows using cannabis in public. They were not allowed a cannabis garden in Seattle. Some city officials would like that law changed. Vaporizing is suggested as a way to use cannabis instead of smoking. Here's part of the passage.

The City Attorney supports state legislation that would allow local jurisdictions to license and regulate locations that allow marijuana use by vaporizing or eating. These locations would have to be for adults ages 21 and over only. Independently of the language in HB 2136 banning “marijuana clubs” (which we’d like to change), state law also prohibits smoking in businesses open to the public and businesses that have employees. We are not seeking to change this law; regulated marijuana consumption lounges should prohibit smoking.

Here is some more of part of a Leafly future of vaporizing article.
Its fun to think about what future vapes might do -- examine the quality of your plants? Tell you exactly what combination of ingredients you’re inhaling? Project videos of what’s changing in the molecular structure of the plant while you vape? Whatever happens, the possibilities of future vaping are boundless and the benefits are all yours.

Read through the whole article at Leafly Future of Vaporizing
 
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Stu

Maconheiro
Staff member
The Future of Vaping - Stealth LASER Mini-Pens!
If you attach them to mini-sharks, I'm in. :rockon:

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RwaNde

Member
Big Cannabis is already out there in the US, anyone with a piece of mind should jump into the growing business and experience the wealth that comes with it.

Technology vise for eCigs,

- more potent and much improved flavour concentrates
- eCapsules, gel concentrate for vaporizition
- indirect vaporizition to avoid contact with heating element (or cotton), therefore easy refill and instant accessibility and no need to replace coils
- design and safety evolution
- new battery technology with 10x more lifetime in small size.

For herbs, much of the previous points applies, however I would add

- compact sized, fan assisted, large capacity, built-in grinding (atomizer) ready to go device with massive capaity nano battery and volcano like performance
- built-in cooling chamber for the end product
- auto ABV trichomes collection
- auto cleaning
- manual heating/vaping chamber humidity control for preparative purposes (40-85% RH)

My ideas in a nutshell
 

ZC

Well-Known Member
What I want with the future of vaporizing is more room for artisan crafted vapes. One of the things I always loved about smoking culture, both tobacco and cannabis, is that there's been this huge space for artistic smoking pieces. Beautiful handcrafted glass or wooden pipes with their own personality so to speak.

Vaping doesn't have enough of that. In this forum we have some, we have amazing Log Vapes being handmade with care, we have Dan making the beautiful Okin, and we have Joda Glass and Ed's TNT for beautiful custom stems. These are all incredible artists and I'm glad they're part of this community. But I also haven't seen any of them in a local headshop next to vapes like the DBV or MFLB. For the most part, the general vaping public is only really exposed to the more commercial, mass produced types of vapes.

But I still feel like there's a lot more that can be done in this space, and it feels largely unexplored. There's a lot of incredibly unique things that could be done from simple log vape technology. Glass artists that make traditional water pieces could integrate the resistor into their glass, log's can be hand-carved into anything you can imagine.

Wheres the log vape carved out to look like a brain, that you then suck your vapor out of through a straw? Or the log with a coffee mug handle? Or the long stemmed gandalf-style pipe with a swinging cap -the cap being a log vape itself while the rest of the pipe is really just a fancy stem. Or a wooden and glass "raygun" where pulling the trigger pushed the core into the stem. A wooden lamp with a custom glass stem that looks like a genie.

There are endless possibilities for vapes as pieces of art, and I believe right now we're seeing a very narrow spectrum of them.

My hope is that as vaporization grows to be more common, there will be more of a market for this kind of art, and more artists creating beautiful, functional vapes.

I also hope that we can get more of an open culture on materials used and safety. Most manufacturers aren't upfront about materials used, and even when they are, MSDS sheets and most safety testing isn't done with the expectation of the user inhaling deeply from the product at high temperatures.
 

sativasam

NO SMOKING
To quote myself on another thread...

"Its kind of akward in social situations when you pull out this device that looks like a walkie talkie....and suck on it for ages like a crack head...or a sick person with an asthma pump.......staring at them right in the eye while you do it. And they look at you back, like :uhh:. And everything goes silent.

Smoking is seen as cool and sexy (at least by those that do it). And vapes, well they're just not 'cool' yet. I think vapes are cool. I'm not sure if vapes are sexy? are vapes sexy? I think thats what vapes need to make them go mainstream. James Bond vaping with a whiskey, Bob Marley never without vape in mouth. Marilyn Monroe releasing vapor slowly out of her mouth and breathing it back up through her nose."
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Since I was in my mid twentys I haven't worried what is cool. For the most part I don't personally vaporize with a large group. I vape recreationally as well as medical.

It probably depends on if you vaporize in large groups. That peer pressure. My brother in law still smokes, and he's older than myself. I've tried to change him over. I have been able to switch over a close friend. She is my age - later 50s. It really depends on the person. I think younger folks are more open to new things.

It seems like every week there are new portables entering the market. Not so many desk style vaporizers.

Everybody it seems has heard about the Volcano in the cannabis community. Every time I mention vaporizing cannabis I hear them mention, like the Volcano? No cannabis smoke enters my lungs, unless its secondhand smoke from somebody else.:dog::cheers:
 
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sativasam

NO SMOKING
Why do we continue to use wooden barrels for aging alcohol? What about the superior taste of some teas prepared in a teapot made from region specific natural clay, with water boiled in an iron kettle? Or the use of briar wood for fine tobacco pipes. Why do these materials live on in a modern age? I think it is about more than just tradition.

It's about the materials themselves, and the way in which they impart complexity into the experience of using them. They are, in themselves, complex. They are not inert, they enhance the experience by interacting with the raw materials in very interesting ways.

The industrial revolution has created the need for materials that react to stress in a predictable way. This has led to the refinement of natural materials into more pure forms. And these materials are perfect for the industrial manufacturing process. So, the makeup of modern vaporizers follows suit. Plastic, stainless steel, glass, ceramic. These materials are most common. But, are they the best materials for the application? It seems to me that their use in vaporizers is more a result of the modern manufacturing process, and less to do with what actually works best for our very specific task.

I have always found that refined materials feel one-dimensional. I don't know exactly what biological process leads to this feeling, but I think that it has something to do with our history of interacting with nature. We have an innate ability to understand the language of materials. The minute details and inconsistencies in wood, stone, metal ore, etc. make it possible for us to interact with those materials on an intimate level, whether we are aware of it or not. The texture of nature is like braille for our brains.

Feom the point of view of someone that makes sculpture, I understand your point entirely. I love how you so eloquently put that "the texture of nature is like braille for our brains" :clap:

Having now quit tobacco/nicotine and got comfortable with vaping Cannabis on its own, I can not see what I thought was so fascinating about smoking. The ritual isn't really a ritual, it is simply a means to an end; as the best and easiest way to get the drug into the blood stream. In some ways I'm happy to have plastic vapes (and the tech inside) that make consuming Cannabis feel more clinical and less 'ritualistic'. The modern plastic vape makes me think of 'science', 'health' and "life saving' - in comparison to smoking in which materials such as rolling papers, fire and tobacco bring to mind associations of 'death' and 'ill health'. At the same time plastic, batteries, solder etc all have bad associations such as being 'synthetic' 'toxic' etc. I feel our doubt about these materials lies in their dangers. But actually most of us here trust science. Thats why we are vaping in the first place. I know some devices have published reports or papers that can prove their devices are safe, such as the Volcano. Hopefully more of the vape companies can tap into our belief in science and make the materials/devices that they produce 100% certified for the health conscious. Vaporising is high tech, lets embrace it! Clinical yes. Efficient yes. Soulless maybe. But still with its heart in the right place.

While wood comes from a living thing, that fed on the earths soil, giving it a more individual and natural feel. Vapes that use wood, (excluding the Lotus) all use modern forms of energy to heat the material such as batteries, mains etc, and have electrical components inside. This to me personally seems to somewhat contradict the ethical, connection to nature that wood has. But yes it is true that these vapes have more character. This should be exploited so as to create a vape that creates an experience full of character and soul that complements the character and soul of the very herb you are using!

Wood kind of speaks more of the past, plastic of the future.

In art there was a movement called Arte Povera, meaning poor art; it was characterised by it's use of worthless or organic materials such as wood, rock, wool etc. Glass on the other hand can be seen as a posh material in comparison. Plastic could often be described as cheap which is why I think many don't like plastic vapes, but my point is that I feel in creating that perfect 'character' or 'soul' of a vape one should have certain sensibilities about materials. Even though the MFLB has loads of character I personally feel using a toxic Lithium battery in a natural hand carved wooden box just feels wrong. The lotus as well as having a wooden cap, has cave man fire, which for me has associations with the 4 elements...fire, earth, air, water. The miVape boasts posh, clinical, all glass components, but then wraps itself in cheap plastic. Madness! Any way I think there is something to looking at materials in this way.

While some vaporizers simplify and homogenize the ritual, others compel the user to invest time and effort perfecting technique and understanding subtle nuances in order to maximize the experience. Further, some vaporizers encourage experimentation, which is shared daily on this forum. Log vapes like the HI and Underdog, the Lotus, MFLB, Vapor Genie, Flash Vape and others demand and reward the effort you put into them. And they have plenty of personality and, yes, soul. Some people will always opt for the convenience of a Keurig coffee dispenser while others will painstakingly pull a shot of espresso in pursuit of that perfect cup. I think something similar is happening in vaporizers. Some eschew manual vaporizers that require user investment, others embrace it.

I really like this point. DIY makes things more personal. But in that context I also find the homogenized nature of the plastic vape to be useful when trying to quit smoking as it depersonalises the experience.
Saying this, we the people create cultures such as 'weed culture' and then that culture is sold back to us by the big corporate companies until there is no culture left. Vapes started their humble beginnings in the bedrooms of enthusiasts; now it's a money making business. As the future of vapes is likely dictated by companies with money, our culture may be in their soulless hands. The DIY culture within the vape community will be important in keeping it alive as a real culture created for people rather than purely for profit. The knowledge and materials for mods/experimentation/diy in a dream scenario would hopefully become so accessible and cheap that every one of us would have the ability to make our own perfect vape to match our preferences or even our individual herbs/concentrates; and we won't need Storz & Bickel or Goboof or anyone else to dictate to us how we go about our vaping.

Great thread!
 
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Dan Morrison

Well-Known Member
Manufacturer
@sativasam Very great thoughts on this topic!

I have since come around a bit on plastic, and I tend to agree with you about modern materials, and how they inspire a sense of the futuristic. I have always had a soft spot for retro-futurism, and the consumer product design trends of the 70's-80's... I love old school digital alarm clocks, and car dashes from that era...

I've been trying to force myself into enjoying plastic objects, because life would be so much easier if I did, ha! There was a time when I wouldn't even consider buying a plastic handled kitchen...thing.. but.. now.. well, I might!

And hearing your thoughts makes it all the more clear, aesthetics is all about personal taste. It's just a reflection of your experiences in life so far.

But function is more objective. We can all agree if a vaporizer doesn't work well. Function is king, and vaporizers made with the best possible materials to fulfill our needs are ideal, whether those materials are synthetic or natural.

I am bias towards using natural materials, but... I also feel like they have physical properties that make them best suited to the function of the piece. Looking good is merely a bonus.

Anyhow, I feel like I'm going to drift off-topic. ha.

I'm just excited for the future of vaporizing, it's just getting started!

Mod note: Edited to remain within manufacturer/retailer rules.
 
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