Custom Copper Nickel Vise and Arbor Jaws For Rosin Tech.

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herbivore21

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BoogerMan said:
Sweet I'll look you up on IG. I completely missed everything you posted about it lol :doh:

I was looking into dry ice when I was researching screens for dry sift. I can get it at a grocery store so it is readily available for me.

A lot of people were saying it was garbage. But then a few would say they love it.

Have you tried making dry ice hash before? Did you like it? How was taste?
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Hey brother, I have made dry ice hash a number of times. The thing about it is that unless you are absolutely deft in your shaking technique and do not over-agitate the material (it is so, so easy to overagitate the material hence why many think it is a sucky tek). I made some super melty stuff that was very nice and tasted great, however it didn't squish anywhere near as well as bubble hash.

Basically, bubble > sifts IME as the residual moisture really facilitates the squish and increases yields. Lower quality bubble squishes great still, whereas lower quality dry sift is a PITA to squish by comparison.

Can't wait to finally get off my ass and get a vise and get some plates organized, I just hope I can get in before the holidays lol ;)

I did some squishes a week or two ago with the tiniest little shitty vise/vice/weiss you could ever imagine and my usual flat iron. Got ALL of the goods out of my material in one single squish! 21% yield! However this vice lifted the material as it tightened, a common issue in cheaper vises AFAIK. Can't wait to get a proper setup with some help from my man @Joel W.
 
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Another set of H press blocks almost ready to head out in the morning.

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I have more 2" copper nickel round bar in stock again for those waiting and those still undecided. :)

I have gotten several requests to build larger plates and I am wondering what size plates do you guys and gals really want??

They make a bunch of different sizes in square, rectangle or round bar but I can't just buy a small chunk and the bigger it is, the more expensive costs are.

Then, I would have to figure out a way to heat it properly with either more irons, bigger irons, or new heaters all together with controllers.

Not to mention I would need a press and lot's of herb to test with. (not totally against this)

Personally, I do not see the attraction to using bags with larger amount at once, but I just make rosin for my own consumption and I really like the "dabs on demand" with fresh rosin. I can make a weeks worth in 10-15 minutes just fine with 2" jaws so I am not sure it's even worth trying to figure it all out.

Just looking for your ideal plate size?
 
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CrazyDiamond

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Joel W. said:
Personally, I do not see the attraction to using bags with larger amount at once, but I just make rosin for my own consumption and I really like the "dabs on demand" with fresh rosin. I can make a weeks worth in 10-15 minutes just fine with 2" jaws so I am not sure it's even worth trying to figure it all out.
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I wholeheartedly agree with and endorse this statement. EXACTLY...10-20 minutes, boom, weeks worth. I would say the bigger the plates, the pressure needed is going to up, which means something like @BoogerMan has or larger for a press...bigger plates, mo $$, bigger press, mo $$, more heaters or bigger heaters and probably some kind of controller, mo $$. My vise and 2" cuni plates work great, do a fantastic job on the first press yields, and was very cheep. So peeps, think about that before you go to the bigger plates.
 
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CrazyDiamond said:
I wholeheartedly agree with and endorse this statement. EXACTLY...10-20 minutes, boom, weeks worth. I would say the bigger the plates, the pressure needed is going to up, which means something like @BoogerMan has or larger for a press...bigger plates, mo $$, bigger press, mo $$, more heaters or bigger heaters and probably some kind of controller, mo $$. My vise and 2" cuni plates work great, do a fantastic job on the first press yields, and was very cheep. So peeps, think about that before you go to the bigger plates.
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I completely agree as well.

If I had 30 pieces of parchment cut, I could squish an ounce and collect it in an hour, probably less. That sure beats a 4-5 day BHO purge haha.

If we find a reusable parchment alternative, that would make things go even quicker. No more cutting parchment!
 
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smokum said:
Are the cheapy soldering irons mostly a 'standard' dia that will insert into @Joel W. 's plates ? and if not... what is suggested to take up the jiggle room ?

Also @Joel W. have you shipped basic plates to Canada ? what was the average shipping costs ?
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The irons I use and drill for, are .315" in diameter and the hole is about .318". I do not use any shims but @BoogerMan needed to use some aluminum foil on his digital irons to make better contact to the blocks with good results.. It does not seem to be needed with the hotter/cheap irons.

I have not shipped to Canada yet, If you want to pm me your postal zipcode, I will get an idea tomorrow of shipping costs to Canada.
 
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@Joel W.

Thanks for the data info. I'm not quite in the position to order just yet, and was just curious of the shipping cost for the sake of inquiring.

I do want to use inexpensive digitals as well myself, yet I'm still not sure if I want to go the route of vice or press yet (have both that can be modified, but since I use my vice often on the farm, I think the bottle jack 4 ton A-frame home made press that's just sitting there may be my route in the end).:nod:
 
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@Joel W.

Just a quick post to say I am interested in some of the round plates but I am at the end of a nearly two week trip that has been stupid expensive so when I get home mid next week I need to figure out if I have any money to spend on setting up a vice and then convince the wife. This post is mainly just to let you know there are more of us out here interested in your plates.
 
herbivore21

herbivore21

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Joel W. said:
I have more 2" copper nickel round bar in stock again for those waiting and those still undecided. :)

I have gotten several requests to build larger plates and I am wondering what size plates do you guys and gals really want??

They make a bunch of different sizes in square, rectangle or round bar but I can't just buy a small chunk and the bigger it is, the more expensive costs are.

Then, I would have to figure out a way to heat it properly with either more irons, bigger irons, or new heaters all together with controllers.

Not to mention I would need a press and lot's of herb to test with. (not totally against this)

Personally, I do not see the attraction to using bags with larger amount at once, but I just make rosin for my own consumption and I really like the "dabs on demand" with fresh rosin. I can make a weeks worth in 10-15 minutes just fine with 2" jaws so I am not sure it's even worth trying to figure it all out.

Just looking for your ideal plate size?
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I agree with the 2" diameter round being a good size. One issue we will run into is that we are not going to necessarily get the pressures we need to get the goods out at low enough temps if we move to bigger plates in an effort to squish more nugs at once. Most vises I've seen aren't gonna bring much more than 1 ton of pressure to the party. Hydraulic presses are another story altogether, and for example, if one has 20 tons or more to bring to bear on the material, then we can really start to think of squishing amounts up to a quarter oz or even more at a time.

I also wonder whether specially designed plates will become necessary at this stage to ensure that the resin is guided away from the heat and the rest of the plant material being squished. I think we're gonna see some interesting developments in the plate design space in the not too distant future as it seems an obvious next port of call once we find a great form factor and an ideal source of adequate pressure.
 
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garymon said:
This post is mainly just to let you know there are more of us out here interested in your plates.
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Good to hear, I have about 8-9 sets of 2" jaws in stock now whenever you are ready.

@herbivore21 . Just finished my last set of jaws this am and your jaws are next in line. :)

Edit: @smokum , I will try to find out approximately.
 
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mayanhippy said:
how much for a pair of these bad boys? whats heat up temp like? nd what kind of vise would these fit like a glove?
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That set pictured was for a 5" Irwin mechanics vise. They will heat up to 220f in about 20 minutes and if you are in a hurry, you can heat them with a torch in just a few minutes. They were custom and I am selling them for $150 shipped US to FC members. (150+shipping on FB) International shipping is actual costs.

Edit: Anyone who has PM'd me previously for pricing, I will honor the price in the PM. ;)
 
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mayanhippy

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Joel W. said:
That set pictured was for a 5" Irwin mechanics vise. They will heat up to 220f in about 20 minutes and if you are in a hurry, you can heat them with a torch in just a few minutes. They were custom and I am selling them for $150 shipped US to FC members. (150+shipping on FB) International shipping is actual costs.

Edit: Anyone who has PM'd me previously for pricing, I will honor the price in the PM. ;)
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150 not bad. are they made custom to order? would you be able to make a custom one for this vise http://m.homedepot.com/p/Yost-3-in-Heavy-Duty-Drill-Press-Vise-DPV-3/205192388 if so how long would wait time be? or maybe this vise would work better http://m.lowes.com/pd/IRWIN-4-5-in-Vise/50168501
 
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mayanhippy said:
150 not bad. are they made custom to order? would you be able to make a custom one for this vise http://m.homedepot.com/p/Yost-3-in-Heavy-Duty-Drill-Press-Vise-DPV-3/205192388 if so how long would wait time be? or maybe this vise would work better http://m.lowes.com/pd/IRWIN-4-5-in-Vise/50168501
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Yes, I can build the jaws to fit most vises, if you can help me with getting the measurements needed for the specific vise.

The first vise you listed, I do not think there is enough room for the bolts with a 2" block in the middle. I would suggest cheaper $100 glue in blocks for that vise.

For the second vise, there is probably just enough room between the bolts for a 2" block I think.

I can usually get them out, in a business day or two after payment. I am at my shop Monday through Thursday.
 
herbivore21

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BoogerMan said:
Thanks @Joel W.! I couldn't have done it without you! Seriously thank you for all the help. I probably asked a million questions and you were so kind and helpful and didn't seem to get frustrated at all. People like you help make this forum a wonderful place to learn and share!

First squish of some mid grade bud (the one that yields 12% from bho)

Not weighing anything as of now. Just messing around tonight!

This works 1000x better than the flat irons. I cranked it to 30 ft lbs. This is the best thing ever!

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Super skunk press. Holy fireness!
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BoogerMan said:
No need to be sorry! This is such an amazing setup! I am so happy with how it looks and performs. It is amazing IMO

It ended up getting up to 240F before I shut it off last night.

I think I'll stick to around 225-230F anyways since that seemed to work well and was super tasty (I squished each 1/2g bud about 2 times to get everything out).

I'm going to try to use a little foil around the irons to get an even tighter fit. Maybe this will help with temps and heat up times like we talked about.

I'll report back later tonight :D I'm off to squish town!

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The tip @Joel W. gave about keeping the movable jaw slightly loose definitely helps with allowing the jaws to align even more flush. In sure this tip can be applied to other vise/squish setups!

So the foil worked great. I got up go 260F in about half the time it took me to get up to 225F last night.

Seems like 420C puts me around 230F. Thats a nice coincidence :smug:
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Hey man, tell me, does that digital thermometer/themocouple in your first pictures work well to measure temp?

BTW to each of you with Joel W grips and plates: Do you find that once the plates reach temp that they will stay at temp with the appropriate soldering iron? Or do you have to turn them off and on and fiddle with them get back to temp for every squish?

@Joel W. could I inquire how deep you drill the holes for the soldering irons? Cheers :)
 
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herbivore21

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So I've got my vise setup complete! It turns out that all of the soldering irons I can find locally seem to be 1-1.5mm broader in diameter than Joel W. drilled for so after speaking with him, tomorrow I'm gonna attempt to redrill to fit the irons I can find locally into my beautiful new plates :D. Joel did offer right away to make a new set for me, but I'd much rather try and modify these and save him the trouble if it can be done easily!

The jaws/plates fixed onto my vise with the supplied bolts nicely, I can get the plates to align very well (it is important to leave the moving jaw bolts a little loose to do this). My vise does seem to lift at the last turn or so though, which is a PITA.

I've managed to find a pair of high quality, high temp microprocessor controlled soldering irons with d-nail style target and actual temp display in degrees (temp controlled by the degree). I need to redrill for this to fit properly.

Still, I can see that this can get huge amounts more pressure than I was able to get before, with lower temps. Even with unsheathed cheap and nasty soldering irons that are sitting very loose in holes far too big for them, I can get the plates to a stable 200f or 250f!

I'll provide a proper review when I have some kinks ironed out of my squish station and have a nice personal sized temperature controlled squish rig for a relatively low price!
 
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Monsoon

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herbivore21 said:
So I've got my vise setup complete! It turns out that all of the soldering irons I can find locally seem to be 1-1.5mm broader in diameter than Joel W. drilled for so after speaking with him, tomorrow I'm gonna attempt to redrill to fit the irons I can find locally into my beautiful new plates :D. Joel did offer right away to make a new set for me, but I'd much rather try and modify these and save him the trouble if it can be done easily!

The jaws/plates fixed onto my vise with the supplied bolts nicely, I can get the plates to align very well (it is important to leave the moving jaw bolts a little loose to do this). My vise does seem to lift at the last turn or so though, which is a PITA.

I've managed to find a pair of high quality, high temp microprocessor controlled soldering irons with d-nail style target and actual temp display in degrees (temp controlled by the degree). I need to redrill for this to fit properly.

Still, I can see that this can get huge amounts more pressure than I was able to get before, with lower temps. Even with unsheathed cheap and nasty soldering irons that are sitting very loose in holes far too big for them, I can get the plates to a stable 200f or 250f!

I'll provide a proper review when I have some kinks ironed out of my squish station and have a nice personal sized temperature controlled squish rig for a relatively low price!
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Can't wait to see your results!

@Joel W. not sure what the feasibility is for you but I think it would be a good idea to provide the option to include a pair of soldering irons with the plates so people don't have to worry about tracking down their own.
 
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