Crafty/Crafty+ by Storz & Bickel

I am really leaning toward the mighty @ this point. I can use my air as my on the go vape. There is very little chance my wife would agree to to let me keep them both. Happy wife= $400 vape at this point. It is a larger investment into my medical needs than she would like. She had a little sticker shock the first time I showed her the mighty on S&B website. But she also knows & supports that vaporizing & injesting high grade medical cannabis on a daily basis keeps me off of 80mg oxy very 6hrs & fentanyl suckers for breakthrough. Sorry, off topic. That happens a lot while medicating before I start my day.

The battery warranty is only for a year on both units correct? I do have the S&B power bank for the crafty coming up. I could use it to charge my phone I guess if I choose the mighty. I know it will be a high quality power bank!

I do need a stealthy vape though, probably 20-25% of the time I am on the go with the family. My Air works ok for that, it is not the most stealthy vape, way more then the solo though. I just think that I will mostly use it at home, I really need it at night to sleep. The Air has pass-through charging but it has to have 10-15% or you get the flashing red light. I get down that low all the time & I have to swap battery, if I want to medicate with the Air. I don't know why this is so hard for me. I never struggled with any of my past vaporizer purchases. I am confident that I will be happy with either one, it is just deciding what part of my vape life do I want to bless with a S&B
vaporizer!! Sorry I am long winded sometimes. Also I welcome any insight or opinions.

I don't have much insight, but I'm full of opinions ...

AKFiRe said:

The battery warranty is only for a year on both units correct?

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No warranty on battery as far as I know (unless your from Australia) they are classed as wear and tear items, best you normally get is between 1 and 3 month on batterys for warranty, due to the fact that how they are treated can have a big impact on how long they last.

AKFiRe said:

Do you think S&B would do a upgrade for difference in cost? Or am I better off selling the crafty NIB & buy the Mighty?

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If they are unused could you not just send one back for a full refund (maybe minus shipping costs) most places give 7-30 days to return if unused, saves you the trouble of finding someone to buy it.

It all comes down to what will fit your routine best, both perform the same (I don't have a mighty but others have confirmed this)

Crafty...heat up time around 2 mins and should get 3-5 bowls per full charge, smaller size and one button controls + app, around 2 hour charge time

Mighty...heat up time around 1 min and should get between 6-10 bowls per full charge, bigger size and full control on device, I think the charge time is also around 2 hours but I'm not 100% sure

These IMO are the main function differences to consider, going only by the threads here the mighty seems more reliable although both (as with any vape) have the potential to go wrong, with both units there are people that have had no problems and also others that have gone through multiple units.

i think the general advice is...if it's going to get lots of use and size don't matter then the mighty might fit better, but if size does matter and you like the app idea then it's the crafty, either way performance is the same so its more about how it will be used.

Anyone else here scrape the oils inside their cooling unit? I tried putting those sticky oil stuff on my oil pad and got monster hits out of them. I tried it with 1/3 bud load for taste and an oil pad on top, got about 27 hits and was still running before I gave up.

Now I can make this Crafty a party vape with a load like that. I was heavy facemelting too after that 27 hitter.

UnshavenFish said:

both perform the same (I don't have a mighty but others have confirmed this)

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UnshavenFish said:

either way performance is the same so its more about how it will be used.

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Having owned both the Crafty and Mighty, I would have to say that they perform slightly different. It's also been said before (due to the Mighty's slightly more powerful heater, and extra battery) that the Mighty has just a touch more power than is noticeable IMO. It's night and day after about 30 hours of use or so.... the Crafty can barely sometimes even keep up to my strong pulls, where the Mighty doesn't even break a sweat. Furthermore, once the Crafty battery is at 1/2 or less, the performance drops even more, and the battery/heater struggle to bring up the temp, and even pauses for a bit before it starts to climb. Never seen that with my Mighty unless it was right dead.

There is definitely a performance difference between the Crafty and Mighty IME. Just my opinion and 2 cents based on 35 hours experience with the Crafty, and over one hundred with the Mighty.

any body knows if worrks with bluestacks or similar android emulator?

blabau said:

any body knows if worrks with bluestacks or similar android emulator?

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Android x86 - the other emulators don't support the Bluetooth connectivity. (using Oracle VirtualBox to run it)

TLDR: DO NOT USE UPS IF YOU LIKE PRIVACY

Background: my crafty died ( had & loved it since march ) - got the yellow/red blinking - organized a pick up with S&B - UPS attached this to the door to the street - I am pretty sure somebody was at home - and everyone on the street could read my full name and that I have business with S&B
Better send your device in when you like privacy!

Btw: this also means I cannot test my android-crafty app with old firmwares anymore - will most likely get a new device with new firmware from what I read here - please contact me if you use the app with old firmware and there are any problems.

Well, my 4th replacement Crafty only lasted 44 days. It died Saturday evening, the power button no longer works. The unit is more than 60% charged and the power button no longer has the spring like feed back. I am now waiting for S&B to send me a shipping label. This will be my 5th Crafty in about a year. Reliability is certainly not one of the Crafty's traits, but when it works, it works very well. On another note, I have collected a lifetime supply of Crafty o-rings, cooling units, orange acrylic grinder, etc.... All courtesy of S&B's unreliability

The ratio of problems with relatively new units looks like it has not gone down. Do you think that today is more reliable the Mighty?

I've already burned four Herbalaires and a Summit. For the last HA i'm still expecting an answer from two weeks ago, the summit died last Friday.

I'm tired of having to stay without vaporize because of defective devices and thinking to buying a durable equipment (desktop + Portable); but I think it will not be the case of Crafty.

blabau said:

I'm tired of having to stay without vaporize because of defective devices and thinking to buying a durable equipment (desktop + Portable); but I think it will not be the case of Crafty.

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Sounds like you need some butane power in your life...durable, reliable, powerful, no electronics to fail, no charge time and no heat up time.

My favourites are Daisy, lotus and Vapman.

blabau said:

The ratio of problems with relatively new units looks like it has not gone down. Do you think that today is more reliable the Mighty?

I've already burned four Herbalaires and a Summit. For the last HA i'm still expecting an answer from two weeks ago, the summit died last Friday.

I'm tired of having to stay without vaporize because of defective devices and thinking to buying a durable equipment (desktop + Portable); but I think it will not be the case of Crafty.

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I think every Vaper needs a desktop vape. I can recommend the Volcano. Three years...no problems!

ligi said:

TLDR: DO NOT USE UPS IF YOU LIKE PRIVACY

Background: my crafty died ( had & loved it since march ) - got the yellow/red blinking - organized a pick up with S&B - UPS attached this to the door to the street - I am pretty sure somebody was at home - and everyone on the street could read my full name and that I have business with S&B

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My package from SB Germany said "Crafty Vaporizer" on the package, uh that is very annoying..

Hello, I'm on my way of choosing a vaporizer, as i can see from this thread (and from other resources) the devices are dying randomly (some after 30 hours of use and some after 150 hours of use) S&B looks like to be Ok with replacing them, but still i wonder if crafty can be considered a stable device to buy in a country without S&B support? sending a device back to Germany every couple of month may be annoying?

Thank you!

_boo said:

sending a device back to Germany every couple of month may be annoying?

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Yes, it may. Tough choice. Even tougher if you are more than a casual user. People here often talk of having a backup vape to use when Crafty is in transit.

Maybe consider a somewhat more robust Mighty? Or something even more solid may suit you better, depending on where you are on the planet.

Thanks for the reply! Yes, you are right the choice is a bit tough, i was impressed by the review of the vapor quality (cause this is what i'm looking for), and was almost nailed that this is the device i will get, but than i started to read more and more complaints and was a bit disappointed, i'm planning to use it about 1-2 sessions a week but still. And what makes mighty more solid device? As far as i understand they are of almost the same technology?

_boo said:

Thanks for the reply! Yes, you are right the choice is a bit tough, i was impressed by the review of the vapor quality (cause this is what i'm looking for), and was almost nailed that this is the device i will get, but than i started to read more and more complaints and was a bit disappointed, i'm planning to use it about 1-2 sessions a week but still. And what makes mighty more solid device? As far as i understand they are of almost the same technology?

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From fc, there seems to be more warranty claims with the Crafty. Having said that (and keeping my fingers crossed), I haven't had any problems with mine. The main difference is size and battery life (because that Mighty has two batteries). That apparently makes the Mighty heat up a little faster and maintain its temperature better. But the Crafty is still a better fit for me.

Apart from warranty concerns, I agree with @vapviking about having a 2nd vape. It's nice to have a backup and fun to switch off.

@_boo Welcome to FC! With only 1-2 sessions/week I wouldn't worry about the longevity of the Crafty. If you don't NEED the extra small stealth, go with the Mighty. But if you are taking it in your pants pocket or jacket pocket and need more discretion, and don't mind the approx. 3-4 bowl battery life, then get the Crafty!

How long have peeps had to wait to get a warranty issue resolved with s&b Germany? Sent mine a week ago, not received anything back and no response to my email sent yesterday

saint-82 said:

How long have peeps had to wait to get a warranty issue resolved with s&b Germany? Sent mine a week ago, not received anything back and no response to my email sent yesterday

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Would also be interested in this - was sending mine in last week and was hoping to get it back this week - but this does not sound too good - what error did you have?

about 10 days. (send from southern Europe)

tdriver said:

about 10 days. (send from southern Europe)

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10 Days from pick up to arrival? Southern Europe means outside germany?

So I went with a crafty from a fellow user
Are newer models still plagued with reliability problems?
How to make my crafty last as long as possible?
How does warranty within the u.s work? How's the customer service?
Best c.s experience I've had yet is my indica which was replaced Bo issues super fast and very polite service
Will my experience with s &b be similar if something does happen?

Hello, im new here but read many informative discussions about the crafty from you.
Thanks for that, now ive got one!

But my question: Is it normal that the temperature (in app) is never under 30°c/80°f in off mode after 1h ?

Thanks!

UniqueCrafty said:

Hello, im new here but read many informative discussions about the crafty from you.
Thanks for that, now ive got one!

But my question: Is it normal that the temperature (in app) is never under 30°c/80°f in off mode after 1h ?

Thanks!

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This is the temperature of your surroundings. Whatever the ambient temperature of your location the crafty will read that temperature.

420democrat said:

Are newer models still plagued with reliability problems?

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Newer models have a better chance of resisting the housing cracking but overall there are reports of the same issuses from initial release.

420democrat said:

How to make my crafty last as long as possible

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Take care of it!! Be careful!! Dont let your careless friends ever take your cu off or on. The crafty is expensive so treat it like a Porsche not a Pinto!!

420democrat said:

How does warranty within the u.s work? How's the customer service?

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For any warranty issues just follow their directions on the website and they will take care of you.

@_boo Welcome to FC! With only 1-2 sessions/week I wouldn't worry about the longevity of the Crafty. If you don't NEED the extra small stealth, go with the Mighty. But if you are taking it in your pants pocket or jacket pocket and need more discretion, and don't mind the approx. 3-4 bowl battery life, then get the Crafty!

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Thank you! Well, i don't really care about the stealthiness or battery life, as this is for personal home/may be some time out of home use (that's why i want the portable one), what i do care is the quality and reliability. What i do know is that i want a convection vape.
I know some of you have experience with different types and brands of vaporizers, so thank you for your help!

I'll be in Amsterdam in a month, and will be picking up one, still hesitating, because of these reliability issues. I also considering a firefly(i see that some of you had some experience with it as well, i know its not a firefly thread) but still how would you compare the quality and reliability of firefly with crafty/mighty?

Also i see that there is a 14/18 mm water adapter for the cfrafty/mighty, so it can be used with the bubbler, can you comment on this?