Vapir Prima

I have been a Vapir Fan for a long while.
The synthetic shells and plasticine casings are of not concern to me.
My NO2 lasted with perfect function for 4 years before I had to replace the battery.
Vapir Units demonstrate great longevity.
I am looking into the Prima right now, and look forward to discussing it very soon.

Well that solves that. Crafty it is lol.

ginolicious said:

Well that solves that. Crafty it is lol.

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Or Elevape Smart Vape (ESV)...

I say you guys should give it some time with the plastic taste as when I got my air there was plastic taste for a while. I just find it hard to believe that at that price range the company would release a vape that has plastici taste.

I just fired up the prima after letting her sit for a cpl weeks cause I've been rotating my vapes and my go to has been my mighty. Anyways I gotta say that I don't smell or taste anything other than the herb I put in it. I missed firing up the orange machine. I forgot how small it is, and tasty it can be. That is all

hey guys, new member. i have the vapir prima. i bought it off vapor nation a month ago and ive been using it daily for almost a month and juust today i took off the battery off the charger. i put it on my prima and i turn it on. i walk around do stuff for like fifteen minutes i comeback and the unit flashes orange. it doesnt heat up.
it just stays flashing on orange then it flashes red and turns off.

i called vapir and i sent it in. i got an rma and ups it in. im quite dissapointrd i had to pay $16 for ups plus $10 for driving to ups store. so whatever.

as far as the unit goes, i was wondering to those who owns it have u guys replaced the thick metal screen with a thinner screen the ones they use on the vapor brothers whip?

I was lucky enough that I exchanged the stinky Prima for an Elevape Smart Vape! - paid the difference in price, of course...

I'm never buying a plastic vape again!

An interesting tid-bit I stumbled upon while digging around on the web.
It seems that Vapir holds the Patent to Convection Vaporization
Check it out!
In other news, I await arrival of a "Prima" so I can see what it is all about.
It will be shipped early in the week.

I tested out a unit at the Emerald cup. What a nice little instrument. Build quality:top-notch. It is so much better then the summit, that there isn't even a comparison. Vapor quality and efficiency seemed to be very close to the Arizer air.

The flavor was excellent. The heat up time was incredibly quick, less than a minute. The battery life appears to be terrific.

I'm reading a lot of crap here about vapor paths, but I didn't experience any problems or plastic taste, nor do I agree that there is a problem potential because of the design. The folks who put this thing together, are not idiots. They don't want to cause any problems to your health anymore and theirs.

Get one of these in yoyr hands. Nice, nice portable unit!

Teaming

Gardenerjeff

Gardenerjeff said:

I tested out a unit at the Emerald cup. What a nice little instrument. Build quality:top-notch. It is so much better then the summit, that there isn't even a comparison. Vapor quality and efficiency seemed to be very close to the Arizer air.

The flavor was excellent. The heat up time was incredibly quick, less than a minute. The battery life appears to be terrific.

I'm reading a lot of crap here about vapor paths, but I didn't experience any problems or plastic taste, nor do I agree that there is a problem potential because of the design. The folks who put this thing together, are not idiots. They don't want to cause any problems to your health anymore and theirs.

Get one of these in yoyr hands. Nice, nice portable unit!

Teaming

Gardenerjeff

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Some people don't have a problem with inhaling plastic offgassing into their lungs, but I do.

If I can't get rid of the plastic taste after 6 dry burns and several sessions, I'm not using it.

Plastic all around a hot copper bowl is a bad design, in my poinion.

Look at the ESV and the Firewood for much smarter designs.

But this is a personal matter. Some people eat Mc Donalds every day, some eat healthy...

M0J0 said:

Some people don't have a problem with inhaling plastic offgassing into their lungs, but I do.

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You have spoken your piece, but many patients have been using the Prima with great satisfaction here locally.
Mine has not arrived yet, but friends that I trust love it, which is why I ordered it!
We get it... you do not like the Prima.
You are in the Prima thread, however, and we do not need you to bash the unit further.
I tried and HATED the EleVape Smart vape, so I quietly gave it away... and never posted anything in the Elevape thread at all.

M0J0 said:

But this is a personal matter

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Exactly.. the added cynical comparison to eating at MacDonalds Vs "eating Healthy" is over the top, and does not validate your point about vapor consumption and devices.

M0J0 said:

after 6 dry burns

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All information warns against doing "repeated dry burns".

M0J0 said:

Plastic all around a hot copper bowl

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PS- It is not an actual Plastic, but rather a high temp synthetic Polymer... Same as the casing on the Volcano, the Herbalizer, the Inhalater and a dozen others vaporizers.. and the bowl is not copper but ROH certified Brass.

Seasoned FC Members have seen this same format of negativity in the past by other newer members, expressing concerns about materials... in the Vapir NO2 thread on 2010. They spoke using worrysome words like "offgassing". More experienced vaporists came forth with facts and data, and debunked the concerns.

Hello all ! New to the forums.
I have had my Prima now for a week. Interesting vape to say the least. Still getting used to it. I own a Ascent and been using that as my main for the last year and a half. Both are good units with there own positive qualities.
How are you guys finding the heat consistency? I find mine reheating a fair bit after draws. Not really getting thick clouds like I've seen others here get. Any tips or suggestions ? Been using max temp.
Thanks

Vitolo said:

You have spoken your piece, but many patients have been using the Prima with great satisfaction here locally.
Mine has not arrived yet, but friends that I trust love it, which is why I ordered it!
We get it... you do not like the Prima.
You are in the Prima thread, however, and we do not need you to bash the unit further.
I tried and HATED the EleVape Smart vape, so I quietly gave it away... and never posted anything in the Elevape thread at all.

Exactly.. the added cynical comparison to eating at MacDonalds Vs "eating Healthy" is over the top, and does not validate your point about vapor consumption and devices.

All information warns against doing "repeated dry burns".

PS- It is not an actual Plastic, but rather a high temp synthetic Polymer.. and the bowl is not copper but ROH certified Brass.

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I'm not the only one that has reported plastic taste, so in truth, this is not my opinion.

I will still say that exposed plastic around the hot bowl (with whatever scientific brand name you call it), is still not a great design idea to me - you can say that is my opinion, I guess...

I didn't know I was not allowed to voice my opinion on this thread, but I have given my opinion and I'll leave you in peace.

Edit: I can see how my posts may have come through as negative. I apologize for that.

M0J0 said:

I didn't know I was not allowed to voice my opinion on this thread, but I have given my opinion and I'll leave you in peace.

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Sorry to give a wrong impression.....
I never meant to make you feel that you can not express an opinion.

M0J0 said:

with whatever scientific brand name you call it

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Just a few facts along with the opinion would have made it more technical, and less of a personal opinion.

Vitolo said:

Sorry to give a wrong impression.....
I never meant to make you feel that you can not express an opinion.

Just a few facts along with the opinion would have made it more technical, and less of a personal opinion.

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I guess the correct way I should have put it is:

I believe that because of the exposed plastic around the metal bowl, I keep getting that plastic flavor which is a deal breaker for me.

I really don't know if this particular plastic is non-toxic at high temps - so I should not have said it was toxic.

I have nothing really productive to say about this vape, so with that, I bow out.

Sorry for any negativity I may have brought to this thread.

Peace.

That was super fast shipping.
The Unit has arrived, and I await a charge...
Tomorrow I will let you know what I thought.

I used the Prima all night as my evening vaporizer... 3 extended (double) sessions
I did not replace the battery on charger, so I could look in the morning.
75% (3 dots showing), I am about to have a morning session.
VERY important to remember is that this is convection vaporization.
While the Prima may be small, room is built in for heated air to pass through the herb.
Just as an example, the Pax is of a similar shape but is pure conduction, meaning you pack the oven tight and get very dark abv when a load is toasted.
Traditionally the ABV from convection vaporization is not as dark a shade of brown.
While a much more unwieldy form and weight, the Firefly is pure convection.
The amount of herbal material that you can put in the Prima is small... and is approximately what one would put in the NO2.
This small amount of herb should be filled in the chamber, but not be packed, as air must pass through it.
Convection vapor has a more clear flavor, and you can get a better feel for the flavor of the strain you are using. Convection vapor can be hot, so slower speed of draw can cool it down.
I filled the Prima chamber full to the top, then leveled it as one might wipe the foam from a mug of beer.
I did not tamp it in any fashion.
The grind was a bit fine the first few sessions, but I liked the vapor better with medium grind (more like oregano from spice shelf).
I liked the flavor of the Prima.
I tasted nothing reminiscent of plastic.
I never did a "dry burn".
An idea for those that are sensitive to "factory smells" like packing and wraps is to open a new package, and let it sit a few minutes before you start suspiciously sniffing for aromas.
Those that are freaked out by new synthetic materials... stay away from Vaporizers like Volcano, Pax, Inhalater, Iolite and tons others... and stick to wood/glass/Stainless Steel.
The Prima was used again today for two extended sessions....
and I checked.. battery level is now at half.
I am charging the battery.
Cleanup was very simple.
Thumbs up on the the Prima!
(Check my Signature)

Interesting, could you clear the chamber of vapor... or the longer you draw more vapor you get?

You are the first to mention it is a convection vape...in my mind it was conduction....

edit: sorry to hear you hated the esv, imo it produces some of the tastier hits I never experienced!

PPN said:

You are the first to mention it is a convection vape...in my mind it was conduction....

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On the first page of this thread and i believe quoted from Vapirs description of the prima at the time Thcgos posted...

Thcgos said:

True convection technique ensures even heat exposure and incredible vapor quality from first puff to last cloud.

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On the vapir website now it says; " and the combination of True convection & conduction technology ensures even heat exposure and incredible vapor quality from first puff to last cloud."

Convection vaporizers are the best. Vapir makes good convection vapes that I've noticed from their desktop unit.

Several mixed reviews as to if people like it or hate it. Customizable temperature through an app like the Crafty or Elevape would have been a nice touch.

RUDE BOY said:

On the first page of this thread and i believe quoted from Vapirs description of the prima at the time Thcgos posted...



On the vapir website now it says; " and the combination of True convection & conduction technology ensures even heat exposure and incredible vapor quality from first puff to last cloud."

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You are 100% correct my quote was directly taken from the website at the time.

However it seems they have updated it, and rightfully so, as most people have noted it seems to be a combination of both conduction and convection.

Unable to modify my original post with the updated info (it must be too old?).

I am enjoying the Prima.

PPN said:

Interesting, could you clear the chamber of vapor... or the longer you draw more vapor you get?

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I do not see a way to clear the chamber... but the longer you draw the more vapor you definitely get.
I am enjoying my Prima, and do not get any impression that there are essences present other than the flavors of my medication (herbal).
I always considered Vapir to use principally convection.
The Vapir One 5.0 of course is 100% convection, as is the Vapir Rise.
While the Oxygen mini and NO2 have ROH Certified Brass ovens, that do get hot, they are still convection based.... using that side of oven wall heat to add to the efficiency.
The factor that makes them convection based, is that conduction based tools function on the principle of closeness within an oven, so that matter heats matter.
All of Vapir's products require a loose fill.
In the case of the oxygen mini, I believe Vapir came closest to employing a bit of conduction to the function, due to restricted air flow.... but it is a looser pack nonetheless.
I like the effects of a convection medicated state.
Varying delivery systems does a lot to enhance one's experience.

Hmmm....another contender for my VAS!

informative post about Vapir's products also.

Did you get fast answer or answer at all in my case from the contact in their website, I emailed them 3 times without any answer (i was only asking informations about a retailer and the unit itself)?

The bigger cons about Vapirs product (for somebody like...never tested any Vapir's vapes) was their design...awful imo. .although they make a good job about design for the Prima!

I just picked up a new prima for the excellent sale price of 250 Canadian, nice

snorcan said:

I just picked up a new prima for the excellent sale price of 250 Canadian, nice

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Awesome ! Congrats !

I've been loving mine!

I did find that it did have a brake in period till it really started to shine. As mentioned by PPN, good ground and very light packing. Very nice tasting and good vape !