Non-skunk

weenstoned said:

Looks aren't everything, but I can't imagine picking the first lambsbread posted by @sativasam if the second were available because Jamaicans do not have magic cannabis growing abilities.

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No, but the way the individual climate affects what is grown, and how it cures, is individual to Jamaica.

The cure is basically destroyed by being crushed. Humidity is not that tough to control.

While I know for sure there is some fantastic Cannabis that has Jamaican lineage, as a matter of fact, the 3rd picture I posted on page 2 is a Jamaican Sativa.

It has a unique Terpene profile for sure, Sweet citrus and reeks of ammonia.
Grown Organically it has this burning rubber aroma, sounds gross but it's quite intoxicating and extremely appealing to the senses.

However, a common misconception of the people of Jamaica is that everyone smokes and grows weed. This is far from the truth...

I've watched a few documentaries, and the laws are even more strict and punishment is just as, if not more so severe than many areas of the U.S. and A. (Borat plug). Regarding possession and growing.

@sativasam , did nail the part about the Locals being apprehensive about selling their herbs to tourists, however they are a hospitable and pleasant culture.

I'm glad to see the heated debate became much cooler, .... @seaofgreens is one of my favorite posters, he is good people for sure.

Welcome to FC @sativasam , this is a very tight-knit community that not only values, but embraces one another's opinion .

I've ceased all other forums I used to frequent, in favor of FC....
Way too many egotistical, arrogant asshats that spread misinformation as if fact.

That kind of behavior does not occur here, hence my love for the Community.

@Hashtag46&2 hard for us to be arrogant when we forget what we are thinking halfway through a ...

I've just seen this thread and can totally relate to @bibblybobbly s op. I'm actually fine with modern European cannabis but completely understand the sentiment in the op, probably 90% of my friends back home use e phrase "I don't like skunk". I've spent a while investigating this and have to say it's hard to replicate the high from land race genetics, whether traditional North African or Indian hashish, or imported "weed" (as were in the uk were gonna assume Pakistan/India/Jamaica/Thai probably not Mexican).

the variables I put it down to are.....
Thc degradation/transformation due to light, air, extreme pressures (with weak Moroccan hash) and handling.
I found the strains that gave the least triply high were indica. Those landrace sativas are great when they've been demolished by the above things but I think you'll find when grown properly they can be seriously psycadelic. The cdb/thc thing is. Interesting but I've only have a couple of high cdb strains and I'm not sure about the antipsycotic properties people talk about. I need to investigate further and won't try and draw conclusions on that.

I say experiment! I certainly did and had a lot of fun I'd take a bud of "skunk" (can we please say MEC for modern European cannabis!) and leave it in a jar on a windowsill for a month or two (stick a novels in there if it's getting too dry) I think you'll be surprised by the change in high when thc breaks down to cbn in the sun.

Good luck bud, some great advise from people in thread even if it can be hard for some to empathise at times. All the best

Oooo and grow your own. Dutch passion orange bud is the strain your looking for I reckon.

I just visited a N. Cal collective and donated for some stinky Super Skunk.

So has anyone actually tried to vape some Sess, Thai or any other type of high grade weed? What temps did you use, and what was it like?

I was doing some reading about legalization and came across some interesting material that I think is germane to this discussion. A couple of highlights:

clear-uk.org said:

Strength is simple, it's how much of the active chemicals you get per gram of sample. If you have a strong sample, you don't need as much of it to get the same effect as a large amount of weak stuff, but the effect will be the pretty much same overall providing you don't slam too much too fast.
Potency is the ratio of THC to CBD. Therefore if a potency figure is going to be quoted it needs two values: %THC and %CBD, or perhaps as a simple ratio of THC:CBD. High potency cannabis would mean a large THC figure combined with a small CBD figure.

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clear-uk.org said:

There has always been a range of strengths and potencies available and because of prohibition there have never been proper records kept of what people were actually buying. Therefore it's next to impossible to be sure of how, if at all, they may have changed over time.
Some reports claim certain strains (so called "skunk") contain a lot of THC but very little CBD, whereas the traditional forms of hash we used to get a lot of before the war on drugs seem to have had close to equal amounts of both chemicals.

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^ Note the imprecise/colloquial/non-botany/non-cultivation use of the word "skunk" in the above quote.

clear-uk.org said:

There has been a general change however. Cannabis in the UK used to come mainly from North Africa in the form of hashish grown naturally in the sunshine. Because of prohibition these supplies were greatly reduced which lead to the growth of the cannabis farms industry which produces herbal cannabis grown intensively under lights. The strains of plants selected for these intensive grow ops were picked because they gave a high yield of strong cannabis grown under the artificial conditions. It is entirely possible that the CBD content has decreased due to this market change.
It is important to note however that if this change has occurred, it happened because of the workings of cannabis prohibition. Worse, it went unnoticed by the authorities for nearly 10 years until the study in 2008 because the illegal trade is totally unregulated.

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http://clear-uk.org/does-cannabis-make-you-mad/

fidget said:

Bibbly mate I think you're generalising a lot.
"Skunk" is what the media like to refer to weed as in scare articles.
I don't know anyone personally who has even used the word since the 90's.
Seems to me you'd be best with indica dominant strains.
There are an awful lot of knowledgeable people out there and plenty of excellent bud- you need to get networking and make some new contacts.

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I use that word! I like skunk and cheesy weed.
@bibblybobbly, I wonder if you could "season" your skunk bud by letting it dry out a bit? And then use a 4 piece grinder to collect trichomes separately. Definitely smoke less of the skunk.

Does seem that you might be getting strains that disagree with you.

My BFF loves to get high, needs it (4 or 5 qualifying medical conditions) but LOATHES the smell and flavor - PARTICULARLY of skunk or cheesy bud. Which is hilarious because I love skunk and cheesy bud. Hell, I love the smell of cannabis and pretty much always have, even before I vaped so regularly.

@blankexpression - snap! "Commericially grown weed inthis countrytends to be chopped early so it can be brought to market quicker."
Forgot about early harvest. That may be. And if the grower is also strain ignorant, if they grow a sativa, they usually mature much slower, so it would be EASY to harvest early. Talk about anxiety in the making!

woolspinner said:

I use that word! I like skunk and cheesy weed.
@bibblybobbly, I wonder if you could "season" your skunk bud by letting it dry out a bit? And then use a 4 piece grinder to collect trichomes separately. Definitely smoke less of the skunk.

Does seem that you might be getting strains that disagree with you.

My BFF loves to get high, needs it (4 or 5 qualifying medical conditions) but LOATHES the smell and flavor - PARTICULARLY of skunk or cheesy bud. Which is hilarious because I love skunk and cheesy bud. Hell, I love the smell of cannabis and pretty much always have, even before I vaped so regularly.

@blankexpression - snap! "Commericially grown weed inthis countrytends to be chopped early so it can be brought to market quicker."
Forgot about early harvest. That may be. And if the grower is also strain ignorant, if they grow a sativa, they usually mature much slower, so it would be EASY to harvest early. Talk about anxiety in the making!

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I'll try to explain some of the confusion around the use of the term skunk here as I understand it.

In the UK, the media got swept up into a moral panic surrounding high resin containing flower varieties a ways back. They used the generic identifier 'skunk' to label these varieties of potent cannabis flowers. It is probably not easy/possible to determine whether any/all of these varieties were skunk, but it is very likely of course that many were skunk derived - that variety has been crossed with everything at this point lol.

Skunk is not a meaningful descriptor of a given cannabis variety in this context and it is more likely that this thread is about people who prefer less potent or psychoactive cannabis (this is perfectly fair of course, we all like/want/need different things) to those varieties that have been described to them by dealers as 'skunk' (and which as discussed, may or may not be anything of the sort)

In the UK (and no doubt around the world) cannabis varieties are sometimes named inconsistently. For example, a variety named Gringo became a mainstay in Sussex IIRC (may have been another town/region) which was actually just another name for THC Bomb, a variety from Dutch breeder Bombseeds.

In Australia we have a similar situation with what's called hydro and bush, although our bush doesn't resemble Thai stick or brick weed, usually just long fluffy buds. I theorise the difference in highs may be strain related due to the fact most indoor growers go for indica and when planting in the australian outdoors you really may as well plant sativas, which obviously is not prefer for black market indoor because of its size.
Price doesn't really vary where I am, you get what you get and some people really dislike getting some bushy stuff, where as a lot of older smokers I know won't touch "hydro". Until legalisation we will never full experience different genetics consistently.

Edit to add, this is all speculation on most indoor being indica and outdoor being sativa, or a hybrid which is either way dominant. The indoor hydro bud all tends to be smaller and denser with the Orange tips, where out the door door stuff I come across (it's harder to come across) tends to be longer fluffier buds more like a bag of broccolni.

Tommy10 said:

In Australia we have a similar situation with what's called hydro and bush, although our bush doesn't resemble Thai stick or brick weed, usually just long fluffy buds. I theorise the difference in highs may be strain related due to the fact most indoor growers go for indica and when planting in the australian outdoors you really may as well plant sativas, which obviously is not prefer for black market indoor because of its size.
Price doesn't really vary where I am, you get what you get and some people really dislike getting some bushy stuff, where as a lot of older smokers I know won't touch "hydro". Until legalisation we will never full experience different genetics consistently.

Edit to add, this is all speculation on most indoor being indica and outdoor being sativa, or a hybrid which is either way dominant. The indoor hydro bud all tends to be smaller and denser with the Orange tips, where out the door door stuff I come across (it's harder to come across) tends to be longer fluffier buds more like a bag of broccolni.

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I have a similar situation, and your description is accurate, just got a little bush weed, and it looks and smells pretty ordinary, but what a hard hitter, literally sat a friend on his arse. Go figure!, hydro definitely looks prettier, but I do sometimes question the potency.

almostthere said:

I do sometimes question the potency

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I have been growing White Rhino for over 15 years indoors, I have given clones to friends to grow outdoors and the potency and looks are quite similar. Usually my Hydro tastes better as I flush mine for a week before harvesting. The outdoor stuff can have a more organic/earthy/nutrient/compost/shit smell and takes 4-5 months to grow to harvest here in the cold climate.

Sounds like heaven, I'm a medical user and it sucks big time having to take what I can get, not always bad and generally ok to vape. I think the flush is important, in ancient times I gmo, and even did a type of soil flush regimen approaching harvest.

I am pretty sure that the vast majority of people don't know what the heck they're toking/vaping.All those mumbo-jumbo made up names ...When in fact 90%+ of what is in the commercial market is just a genetic mashup of skunk /nl /haze/afg#1 ...Ok,I'd throw some og s and chems in there but I think they're also derived by the former...I like to know I'm smokin Mazari or Thai or Malawi and not the new hype "granny's tits " or "peanutbutter monkey " or I don't know wtf...

I myself prefer growing/vaping landraces or landrace-based hybrids.Especially for daytime use,I don't really like "skunks"(dutch hybrids) or american hybrids ,they have a burnout effect on me(even in times of skyrocketed tolerance) .I love the smells and tastes,but for me they are evening/ nighttime meds .Also narrow leafed ladies are a lot sexier regarding my growing preferences...

Zak McKracken said:

or I don't know wtf

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There are three types of pot, Indica, Sativa and a hybrid of both.

LesPlenty said:

There are three types of pot, Indica, Sativa and a hybrid of both.

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I was referring to the shady/uncontrolled name giving which contributes even more to public ignorance.

You are referring to the cannabis species sativa,indica and ruderalis (not accepted by everyone,there is other taxonomy as well ,like WLD or NLD drug type categorization).

Zak McKracken said:

ruderalis

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No, I wasn`t trying to be rude or derail the thread. But seriously, some of the names are quite weird and flat out misleading, dare I say `marketing` taking over.

Yeah, this thread is chock-full of superstition and rumors.


I've smoked both new hybrids, classic hybrids and old landraces in bud form, plus old hash before it went awful.

Most of what people believe is 'old' style weed is just so-called skunk that was grown by an incompetent.



I've gave away 2 foot high clones to a new grower, of Tangilope that I've been growing with great results for 2 years off the same mother plant. Mine is perfect glistening buds with a crazy smell (this strain needs carbon filters replaced often!) that gets you nicely high and gets better reviews than imported stuff.

His was straggly, horrible crap I hadn't seen the like of since just after solid went nasty, when people were just throwing purple haze seeds into tomato fertilizer bags under stolen security lights.

I've also grown Pakistan Valley Kush, an old indica landrace, and that turned out just as good as the tangilope, got people just as high and tasted incredibly good, I wish I'd took a clone off it.



While genetics have been improved, the figures people throw around are seriously exaggerated. Older strains aren't much weaker than new strains, the main differences are better growing, harvesting and preparation.

Old weed used to be grown randomly in fields with some manure thrown on, people would chop it down, throw it into piles and let it dry in the sun, then chuck it into bags and squash it down.
Weed grown now, in most cases, is carefully tended, gently harvested, dried in the dark then carefully packaged.
Especially weed that's going to be tested, those '30% THC!' readings you see at Cannabis Cups are prime cola buds carefully selected and handled as little as possible.



Names of strains are only going to get stranger and stranger, just like race horses or ships or anything else that needs a unique name. All the best ideas get taken and weird ones are all that's left!




Ruderalis incidentally is the strain or species used to create Autoflowering. By itself it's not worth smoking at all, but crossed with stronger genetics you can get it strong enough to be worth it while keeping it's autoflowering characteristic. That's also why it's generally weaker than photoperiod strains.

seaofgreens said:

If you truly are interested in unadulterated, "weak," stuff, just get a ton of seeds, throw them in a ditch and gather what comes up. Nobody can claim responsibility for it's existence, and if nobody discovers it, you have yourself a few pounds of the weak 5% thc weed you are craving. Grab it all up, and smash it in your hands of in a hydraulic press if you really want to get that "brick."

Cheers

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seaofgreens said:

Nope, weed grown inside in any climate has the same controllable environment. It's all about what the grower decides to do/deems necessary. Get to know your grower or supply line if you care. Otherwise, accept your reality.

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seaofgreens said:

Maybe grow out that land-race yourself, show me a well grown, well manicured example, and then we shall be able to have a reasonable discussion about the flavor/potency of the jamaican land-race varieties being the best to your palate, and why.

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seaofgreens said:

my point is that you should be delving into the genetics behind the bag and wonder what it is that is causing these effects you like so much, whether it is the plant, or the handling etc...

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Erm... I say a lot of the same stuff but 3 years ago, and throughout most of the past pages..

I am also from the UK.

Up until recently i would exclusivley (and by choice) smoke "Thai" weed. It would come in blocks held together with cotten. I prefered smoking Thai as the effects where more managable, "Skunk" always got me too stoned. "Skunk" always left my brain feeling a bit hazy as well for many days after, did not like this feeling.

However a side effect started to occur. The Thai was getting older and drier every time i scored. I found this was not good for vaping, caused too many particulates which caused me issues with plegm. I felt like i was trying hack stuff up from my lungs all the time. Not good.

So i was forced to switch supplier, and start vaping "skunk". If you are getting some local person to sort you out in the UK, you rarely get a choice of strains. I found i managed to avoid getting too stonned by reducing my dosage. Only half filling a stem, or taking a few hits on the vapcap and leaving it a while. Now i have built up so tolerance. The pleghm issue is gone, as "skunk" has more resin and is less dry. Still the "brain haze" which i did not like.

I now get deliveries of named strains in the post. Expensive but you know what your getting. I found sativa strains dont give you so much "brain haze". Currently vaping "blueberry pie" and happy i finally found an alternative to Thai. Looking forward to try other sativa strains such as sour diesel in the future.

If i was ever to grow weed. (I have no plans to). I would grow weaker strains like Thai. Love that dark earthy taste. I am sure i was only getting problems as what i was getting was not fresh.

Think there is a definate untapped market out there for weaker strains. We dont all want to drink whiskey every day, sometimes you want something weaker like a beer. Skunk has bad press in the UK, the media latching on to phycosis causing super weed. Shame you cant get decent weaker strains as this would help in the fight to free up the herb.

Thai is actually a sativa too, they're generally a more euphoriant uplifting high.

Perhaps it's not weaker weed you like, but sativa that you like?

I'm wrecked out of my face right now, just had a friend round and of course I had to demonstrate my new vapes, but I'm still capable of doing stuff because I'm smoking a sativa and it certainly isn't weak.
If I was smoking something like StarDawg I wouldn't even by typing this I'd have dozed off in the sun. I actually get some indica to help me sleep sometimes.

It's generally the indica that's a heavy, couch-lock stone and that's what the majority of weed here seems to be. Indica generally has a shorter flowering time and is a shorter, wider plant with higher yields, so commercial growers indoors prefer them.

Sativa's are more common outdoors, where you only get 1 crop a year so a longer flowering time isn't a disadvantage and can give you a higher yield. The only sativa I really see sold in my area is Haze (possibly lemon, it's fairly compressed) brought over from Spain, which is grown outdoors.

Thats how i picked blueberry pie as a strain, i saw it was a sativa too like Thai. Cant wait to see if other sativas are also up my street.

OP should go sativas a go.

Have any of you guys tried hemp tea? I quite enjoy this plus it's legal and cheap over here in the UK. I got a bag from ebay, about £7/8 for lust less than an ounce. Its mixed with lemon verbena and I enjoy this just as much as lemon haze. The brand is chill zone, I can't find it on there anymore but there's other ways to find it. Other flavours too. Licorice, blueberry and mint. Or you can try just pure hemp tea, its still got a nice flavour on its own and very easy to find. These will be low in CBD probably max out at about 2-3%

There's an abundance of other herbs that you can vaporise. If you're not that into 'skunk' you may enjoy these with most them being less psychoactive and in my eyes quite beneficial.

There's also a lot of high CBD buds available online, some of these have reminded me of the old Thai stick. Although I once had a summer on that stuff rolled with some drum gold and it was a beautiful serene time. I remember it being quite cheap, darkish green, full of seeds and quite scraggy, more leafs and stems rather than pure buds. I have to admit I'm quite a fan of these and feel like they could use more recognition, these 'new wave' of strains are more buddy and compact than the old stuff. I can use it (less than 0.05 in a mighty dosing cap) for wake and vape and enjoy a nice boost from it without feeling too much of a space cadet. Still get a little light headed but it's a nice start to the day. These range from low 4/5% to high I've seen advertised 22% somewhere. They're not fully legal over here, the're sold as legal but there has been prosecutions and raids to shops selling these flowers. I still treat these as illegal as in I only do it privately, I don't go out and walk around vaping. That would be nice but not worth the risk even if it's sold to me as legal it can easily be mistaken and that's just hassle I can't be bothered with

I know this thread is over 3 years old and I don't know if the OP is still around but I know that if there's ever a drought again then I'm set with alternatives so I don't have to ounce off the walls chewing my finger tips off