Micro-dosing

organic weed said:

Well... I like mega dosing too. The problem with mega dosing is that you do it once and then that's your new baseline which sucks coz you'll start using way more herb.

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Nah, I disagree, If you mega dose or dab only occasionally it will not increase your tolerance by any significant amount.. A new baseline will only occur if you actually mege dose all of the time. There's no way that if you vape a large amount " one time " that it will become you're new baseline. Tolerance is a gradual type of thing and it just doesn't work like that.

Nesta said:

I get emails from a few cannabis groups & one of them, Green Flower Media, sent me this article recently about medical micro dosing:

http://greenflowermedia.com/article/less-is-more-micro-dosing-and-medical-cannabis/

I'm usually a mega man myself, but after reading this thread & the Green Flower info - I'm intrigued & I think I'll try some micro dosing. It certainly can't hurt & I may discover that I like it.

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The beauty of vaporizing is having abundant options.

The Exteme Q with DDave 14mm mod should be ideal for microdosing, as the 14mm wand holds about 0.025g max and can easily clear the bowl in one hit.

-Treeburner

organic weed said:

Well... I like mega dosing too. The problem with mega dosing is that you do it once and then that's your new baseline which sucks coz you'll start using way more herb.

I've started appreciating that less is more with ganja coz this herb effects are not that dose related. There is a pharmacological term that summarizes the concept. I can't remember the word right now. Basically you can get the same or very similar effects with high or low dosage.


@ShadowVape does the Vrip allow for micro dosage, I.e. 0.1 grams and lower? There was a point made by @nilo earlier and I'd like to know if u'r planning to launch any micro dosage tool soon


By the way, for reducing dosage is just a matter if taking a few days break and then starting for ex with 1/2 dose?

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Perhaps "Threshold "? Is the word?

Great post BTW!

@DDave mods for SSV/DBV are amazing for Micr-Dosing and a single MEGA-Dose!

Ingenuity at it's finest!

This thread has me questions my session based portables....... I've started taking one quick hit and moving on, and it seems like 90% of the time, that one hit is sufficient..

KidFated. said:

This thread has me questions my session based portables....... I've started taking one quick hit and moving on, and it seems like 90% of the time, that one hit is sufficient..

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I came to the same conclusion. More than 1/2 the time I use a log or Lotus for one excellent, satisfying hit

Chill Dude said:

Nah, I disagree, If you mega dose or dab only occasionally it will not increase your tolerance by any significant amount..

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Not too sure about this statement. It depends by you definition of "occasionally". I am not a daily users, just vaping 2-3 times a week and my baseline went from 0.25 to 0.4 per session. Now I managed to cut to 0.2 and now trying to go down to 0.10 after t-breaks at least of 1 full week

organic weed said:

Not too sure about this statement. It depends by you definition of "occasionally". I am not a daily users, just vaping 2-3 times a week and my baseline went from 0.25 to 0.4 per session. Now I managed to cut to 0.2 and now trying to go down to 0.10 after t-breaks at least of 1 full week

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For me, occasionally means like 3 or 4 times per month. I either do dabs or maybe twice my usual bud amount. I'm a daily user and my tolerance has not gone up one bit from my occasional overindulgence. The funny thing is that although I'm a daily user and you're not, my typical session amount is much lower than yours .15g to .2g. That has been my typical session amount for over 4 years.. So no increase in tolerance here ..I guess some people have a harder time keeping their tolerance in check than others..

That said, Occassionally I like to go big and do like .2g in dabs in one session or maybe a .5g of flowers, but I always revert back to my typical session amount....

Edit: I never do T Breaks either...

Chill Dude said:

The funny thing is that although I'm a daily user and you're not, my typical session amount is much lower than yours .15g to .2g.
Edit: I never do T Breaks either...

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As I said I'm doing 0.1 sessions now. I did go up when I was a daily user and I felt it wasn't the optimal regime for me. T-breaks do work for many

organic weed said:

T-breaks do work for many

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Agreed..but, in my case my tolerance hasn't gone up so there is no reason for a T Break. The weird thing is in the past I did a two week T Break and after I still needed that .15g to .2g session to get me where I like to be. However, as you've said, some people do benefit from taking a break,

for you folks who take T breaks. i've found that using a different genetic every day keeps that problem away. each day i grab a different jar and i've been vaping an average of .75 of a gram per day for a few years now. i could vape more but i just don't need it.

i occasionally vape hash all day and start back on flowers the next day. not a problem with tolerance.

if you have the opportunity to have more than one genetic, try switching out every day. works for me, might work for you. as long as i don't have anything to do, i like getting high every day and i stay buzzed most of the day.

Chill Dude said:

The weird thing is in the past I did a two week T Break and after I still needed that .15g to .2g session to get me where I like to be. However, as you've said, some people do benefit from taking a break,

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So after that two weeks of abstaining, you never had an "enlightening experience" upon return? That .15 to .2 felt exactly the same as it did 2 weeks prior? If so, i'm fucking so envious!

My tolerance is a bitch, I still get effects from the meds, but not as much as i'd like. My issue is spacing sessions, as i'm a medicinal patient and I find the longer you space those sessions, the better the effects. There are so many other variables though....like body composition. I find it next to impossible to T-break due to the horrific withdrawals I experience (self medicating for years).

Biohacker spacing sessions work best for me also...

Folks
What do you think are the health benefits in the broadest sense possible of micro dosing vs macro dosing? Or do you think there's none/little?

organic weed said:

Biohacker spacing sessions work best for me also...

Folks
What do you think are the health benefits in the broadest sense possible of micro dosing vs macro dosing? Or do you think there's none/little?

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Aside from inhaling less vapour there is the lower temps one can use for smaller loads. Lower temperatures seems to not irritate my lungs and throat as much.

Organic weed the VRIP system used with a full size tube really favors heavier dosing due to what is required to milk the tube up and get nice condensed pulls, but if you run a tube with an ice catch and fill the tube with ice besides benefiting a cooling effect you reduce the volume in the tube substantially making it possible to have smaller doses still condense up nicely. One of the keys is to pack the shallower bowl denser then you would a full pack so that it gathers the heat faster due to the resistance and/or to run a higher base temp --- not just because of the slightly farther distance from where the wand tip seals in the intake to the herb with a shallower pack, but so that you can affect a faster extraction to get a full spectrum extraction from the smaller amount of herb present. Higher temp pulled faster is the way to micro dose with a VRIP kit if you still want the full spectrum. You can also get fancy and fill the bowl with glass beads or hemp fiber so that your packing the lesser amount of herbs on the top of the bowl and micro dose at the same temp and with approximately the same technique as when you macro dose you just won't pull as long.

The best way to check your tolerance though IMHO is to simply go on an herbal fast or sabbatical for 30 or more days...this always works great and you'll come back with "pinky" lungs that will reign in those rips by bio-default. Problem is that at least with our kit the damn vapor tastes so frickin good you want to pack more just for the flavor appreciation! Hard not to pledge allegiance to Flavor Country once you've been there!

After borrowing my friends Lotus recently I've found out the huge potential for micro-dosing.

I have an extremely low tolerence, and I've now realized that previously with friends I would always have too much and feel uncomfortably high.

But since I've started vaporizering and experimenting with very very small amounts (maybe as low as 10-20mg) I've found that it's an amazing tool! If I ever have trouble sleeping, DOMS from the gym, lack of appitite, pain or inflamation etc, a micro-dose will get me nicely dosed, whilst still mentally functional.

Folks
I did a 7 days break and then yesterday ingested 1/2 of my micro cookies that have on average 0.15 grams... So I ingested about 0.07 grams. I used to ingest 1.5 cookies in average, around o.2/0.25!grams... Well I was happily surprised that it did affect me positively, almost as strongly as before but not that heavy and without getting tired or numb... The concept is approved and I'll keep experimenting

i usually start the day with a .05 bag of vapor or less. i'm watching a resident evil marathon so i'm starting out with larger doses this morning.

i typically do 2 or 3 more small doses before i start with the .1 gram bowls. as the day rolls on, i switch up from .1 to .05ish. i like it. i still get a bit too high after a few bags but i'm working on staying at just the right place of mind.

i'm a believer! man i love weed!

I'm just trying out to put 10-20mg into my Mighty, cover it up with the liquid pad.
Heat it up to just above cloud threshold (155-157°C this time), make one deep inhale and put the vape back into the box. Sample that with the method of breathing only partial to keep vape in the lungs and I guess I'm in the top tier for max bang for your buck with no signs of sleepiness afterwards like when I'm tossing away oily reclaim + ABV at max temperature.

Man, you guys are geniuses! Tried just a fraction of my usual morning dose (.25g).....maybe did .1 or less and definitely feel the effects! I have no choice but to micro dose now....it's either that or abstain completely. Docs are pushing me toward the big bad pharmas...lithium and seroquel, and well...they can go fuck themselves. It's that easy.

biohacker said:

Man, you guys are geniuses! Tried just a fraction of my usual morning dose (.25g).....maybe did .1 or less and definitely feel the effects! I have no choice but to micro dose now....it's either that or abstain completely. Docs are pushing me toward the big bad pharmas...lithium and seroquel, and well...they can go fuck themselves. It's that easy.

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Hello biohacker, as an experiment before sleep I have been vapeing .02g to .03g mixtures of fresh and lightly vaped ABV to see if it helps with sleep. It seems to work to a point but that ratio is still a work in progress, what it has done is cut my consumption of fresh bud.

nilo said:

I find microdose is the best for me as well. Just 1 hit from a tiny puff of such a tiny amount is my fav high.

Is there any vaporiser that is excellent for microdose? I have the Purple Days Vape and Vrip Heat Want, they are not built for the microdoser. any recommendations?

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If you have access to concentrates, I would highly recommend the Dr. Dabber Light. It has a titanium coil wrapped around a glass or ceramic wick- your choice, although the standard kit comes with the glass wick. The titanium coil heats to a lower temp than many pens, so flavour is preserved.

The chamber is quite small, so even loading a dab the size of a small grain of rice comes close to filling it.. I really dig mine!

KidFated. said:

This thread has me questions my session based portables....... I've started taking one quick hit and moving on, and it seems like 90% of the time, that one hit is sufficient..

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This is probably why I've stopped using my pax so much. Its perfect for stealth when I cant use my VG, but having the option to load a micro dose, have a single hit and put it away is awesome. Come to think of it, maybe i should give the screen trick a go after a very thorough cleaning tomorrow.

I'm happily marrying the micro concept. 2/3 draws max keeps me happily relaxed for a long time and still pretty much awake and active. I don't disguise the heavier loads once in a while, like late afternoon during the w-é, but during the week micros are the way to go! Less weed, healthier regime, little to no side effect, etc... The Mighty is perfect for that