Crafty/Crafty+ by Storz & Bickel

MinnBobber said:

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Yes, that was my point----how does S & B count charges? Does it count one charge everytime you plug in cable, even if that is really only a 20% topping off, or does it track partial charges where five 20% recharges count as one 100% charge cycle?

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dont think anyone knows, and I'm guessing it's not something we will get a straight answer on from s&b.

But this will be my argument if they ever try and charge me for cell replacement when I know it should be fine based on my usage and charging habits/methods.

Just based on numbers in my currently pretty baked head, one full charge should give around 30 mins runtime so one hour on clock is around 2 cycles, so I want (based on my usage and my charge method) a minimum of 150 hours before they try and charge me for replacement.

UnshavenFish said:

dont think anyone knows, and I'm guessing it's not something we will get a straight answer on from s&b.

But this will be my argument if they ever try and charge me for cell replacement when I know it should be fine based on my usage and charging habits/methods.

Just based on numbers in my currently pretty baked head, one full charge should give around 30 mins runtime so one hour on clock is around 2 cycles, so I want (based on my usage and my charge method) a minimum of 150 hours before they try and charge me for replacement.

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Baked, too, but...
If one hour on clock is 2 charge cycles (by your habits) then 150 hours on clock would be 300 charge cycles.
S&B told me approx. 825 charge cycles is the allowance, and that I had gone to 9XX cycles! My usage clock, as I recall, was at about 135 hours.
My brain is under strain comparing these numbers!
Need. some. vape. now.

If they are stating 825 I would guess this is the lower figure (better for them to use the lower) this would make me think they are counting in something like 25% - 30% stages, so a 25% charge counts as a full charge cycle in their heads.

I'm no expert and my numbers are vague at best, but should IMO be a good estimate.

We know the crafty charges to 4.20v from members tests here, so I think the fact they claim over 800 cycles shows they are counting part charges and not full, but without knowing what % they count it's hard to make estimates.

If they are counting 30% (two bars) as a cycle this would kinda fit with your numbers, if 150 hours is 300 real cycles then it would be around 900 of their chosen cycles.

I was going to get something to eat to try and sort my head out a little, but it also hurts now lol so my LSV has just got hot and I'm gonna cram as much as I can in it and see if that helps

Man the worries with this vape. It has a moisture strip so got to be careful. After 30 hours of use it could die anytime. Plus the overcharging voiding warranty. Although I'm not worried that I'll be seeing 150 hours. With that said when my warranty expires I'm planning to get another crafty. Wonder if when that happens if we will get a deal on a new crafty.

Astedra said:

Man the worries with this vape. It has a moisture strip so got to be careful. After 30 hours of use it could die anytime. Plus the overcharging voiding warranty. Although I'm not worried that I'll be seeing 150 hours. With that said when my warranty expires I'm planning to get another crafty. Wonder if when that happens if we will get a deal on a new crafty.

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I like all the posts like this, basically saying, "oy, the problems with this vape ... but, man, I wouldn't do without it."

With all these issues this vape should have a 5 year warranty like the firefly and pax smh

don't forget the Prima, 5 year warranty - and 2 year warranty on the battery.

My crafty's served me well so far!

Have been toking for many years but this is the 1st vape I've owned. Tastes so good vs combusting!
Prefer the high U get from vaping too.
I'm now a true vapor convert.

My units around 5months old and has clocked up 13hrs of usage. (Would be more but have a slow suply issue at the moment!)

It's worked perfectly since the 1st bowl.

Monk

13 hours? I should hope so! You are the PERFECT Crafty customer!

Was a bit worried after reading about faulty units but think mine's not one of the originals. Firmware is v02.05 but it still has a 1 minute shut off for some reason?
Not sure if the case is the newest version or not.
Crafty no. 10092

Monged Monk said:

Was a bit worried after reading about faulty units but think mine's not one of the originals. Firmware is v02.05 but it still has a 1 minute shut off for some reason?
Not sure if the case is the newest version or not.
Crafty no. 10092

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All versions even the newest still have the 1 minute off feature! Welcome to the Crafty Crew brother.

My Firmware is v02.08.

Thanks krizzle

Lol for some reason I thought the newer units had a 2 min shutoff time. Must of missread a post.

Crafty Vaper said:

I think S&B are selling a vaporizer with vibration. It is one of the reasons I bought this product. So I think it is a normal warranty thing when the vibration doesn't work!

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SB Germany wanted me to send my unit back when the haptic feedback module died after only 7 hours, eventually the unit died at the around 60 hour mark.. and I sent it back for a replacement (new unit had a broken wall adapter - never told SB)..

My Crafty #19xxx got the dreaded red\yellow flashing lights after 5 months and 51 hours use. Followed the instructions and sent it back. It got there on Monday and Wednesday I got an email that a package was sent. Got a brand new box with Crafty #35xxx, firmware 2.08 and the new casing on Friday. Very happy with the customer service, but I wonder how long this one will last.

Damn, with CS like that - who cares? It's posts like yours that give prospective buyers the confidence to pull the trigger. I have my issues with the Crafty (battery quickly degrades and slows heat up time) but if they will stand behind its operation for 2 years and replace it when it dies, I think it's probably a worthwhile vape to own if you "need" it. I'm actually starting to think crazy thoughts again (they cycle rapidly), and thinking that my only way to get around this - is to buy TWO Crafty's!

Need a bit of help, new to vaping, just bought a crafty, if I place 0.1 - 0.2 in it, I only seam to get clouds on the first couple of goes, I do pull on it until the green light turns red (not sure how many times I should keep pulling on it). The device also gets quite hot along with the mouth piece when I pull hard on it. Is this all normal or is this thing faulty, because I don't seam to be feeling a great deal off this, any advice will be greatly appreciated, thanks.

Use the liquid pad wire mesh pad with small loads on top of the load. I find that the crafty works best with full loads.

My mouthpiece never gets hot!

I have tried with and without the liquid pad, just seam to be getting the same results, how many pull are we meant to get off it? And should the liquid pad be underneath the load? I have been placing the pad on top of the load, sorry I have only had it a day.

Harry20 said:

Need a bit of help, new to vaping, just bought a crafty, if I place 0.1 - 0.2 in it, I only seam to get clouds on the first couple of goes, I do pull on it until the green light turns red (not sure how many times I should keep pulling on it). The device also gets quite hot along with the mouth piece when I pull hard on it. Is this all normal or is this thing faulty, because I don't seam to be feeling a great deal off this, any advice will be greatly appreciated, thanks.

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As @Astedra said the crafty will perform best with a full bowl, the load needs to stay put while you pull otherwise it will not heat the way we want, I'm no good with weights as my herb is a lot dryer than most (by choice) so I'm not sure how full your filling it but if only using small amounts the crafty extracts really quick so only getting a few pulls with coulds could be right, some strains will give more visual vapour than others so sometimes best to judge the effect (can take 10 mins to feel fully) rather than visuals, first I would try a full bowl and see if that improves things.

For me a full bowl normally lasts around 4-6 pulls over a few minutes with fast deep pulls or 2 pulls if through water without the CU, but this will vary from person to person depending on temp used speed and length of draw and quality or herb.

The crafty will get warm/hot (that's what we want ) this is a subjective area though as what's hot for some is barely warm for others, the only areas IMO that should get hot are around the bowl and the CU (cooling unit) but maybe with small loads more heat is passed through the CU and to the mouthpiece

So my method for getting the best results (for me) is a medium grind (SCS) quite dry herb (makes a crunch noise when squeezed) and a full bowl set at +200°c, the amount of pulls you will get can vary greatly depending on the variables I mentioned earlier but a good indication the load is spent is no visible vapour and your herb should be anywhere from a golden brown to coffee brown.

Harry20 said:

I have tried with and without the liquid pad, just seam to be getting the same results, how many pull are we meant to get off it? And should the liquid pad be underneath the load? I have been placing the pad on top of the load, sorry I have only had it a day.

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Liquid pad goes on top of your herb to keep it from flying around in the bowl


Also the best of thread might be helpful for you, lots of good info to read without all of our noise...

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/best-of-the-crafty-by-storz-bickel-thread.17002/

Instead of the liquid pad on top, you can use a standard screen. Cut a wedge out of the screen so it looks like pacman. Then fold the opening together so it makes a cone. Push the cone on top of your partial oven load (with the tip pushing into the load...that sounds weird), put the cu on and you're good to go.

Btw, I always fill loose about 2/3's and use the screen. My mouthpiece never gets warm but close to the heater does.

Harry20 said:

I have tried with and without the liquid pad, just seam to be getting the same results, how many pull are we meant to get off it? And should the liquid pad be underneath the load? I have been placing the pad on top of the load, sorry I have only had it a day.

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I use the liquid pad nearly every time I use the Crafty. There have only been a handful of times I've loaded the oven completely, and it does pump out the vapor like a monster. But it's usually just me so here's my MO: I grind to a pretty fine consistency, like espresso grind. I use the round part of the orange pick tool as kind of a scoop and just cover the oven screen with ground material. I've tried to measure the amount, but it doesn't register on my scale, so it must not be much at all. Then put the liquid pad on top. First round at 365 degrees and I take two pulls. Then I boost the temp to 385 and get 2-2.5 more pulls. The first couple of pulls produce a nice amount of vapor, then it tapers off. It seems to me this thing is so efficient that it extracts all the goodies and packs a helluva punch in very few pulls. I get a few more pulls when it's fully loaded, they're just much denser clouds. I love this thing, I'm using much less per session and stretching out my stash.

Wondering if anyone's actually had a v2.08 fail yet?

I've had mine for a couple of months now. Granted I've been using it more sparingly than my 2.05 which died at 111 hours. Still early days but I'm up to 44 hours and so far still working perfect and really have not noticed any decrease in battery life or performance.

fumes said:

Wondering if anyone's actually had a v2.08 fail yet?

I've had mine for a couple of months now. Granted I've been using it more sparingly than my 2.05 which died at 111 hours. Still early days but I'm up to 44 hours and so far still working perfect and really have not noticed any decrease in battery life or performance.

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My unit is firmware 2.08 and my vibration alarm is not working every session.

UnshavenFish said:

Liquid pad goes on top of your herb to keep it from flying around in the bowl

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Some people have used the pad under their herb. I was discussing this recently with a friend, pros and cons of pad placement (we were talking about the Plenty though).... there must be differences... maybe using the pad on the top creates more conduction?

fumes said:

Wondering if anyone's actually had a v2.08 fail yet?

I've had mine for a couple of months now. Granted I've been using it more sparingly than my 2.05 which died at 111 hours. Still early days but I'm up to 44 hours and so far still working perfect and really have not noticed any decrease in battery life or performance.

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Music to my ears!

Crafty Vaper said:

My unit is firmware 2.08 and my vibration alarm is not working every session.

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Ah snap!