Vapir Prima

Still trying to decide on a new top tier vape and tomorrow is pay day! Keep,switching between grabbing the prima or taking my chances with the Mighty. My Air is my daily driver but I am looking for something that hits harder but still cool vapor to stop me combusting for good. Damn decisions! I wish this thread had more reviews! About to finish my 5th cancer treatment plan in a row and need to reward myself!

whatitdew said:

Still trying to decide on a new top tier vape and tomorrow is pay day! Keep,switching between grabbing the prima or taking my chances with the Mighty. My Air is my daily driver but I am looking for something that hits harder but still cool vapor to stop me combusting for good. Damn decisions! I wish this thread had more reviews! About to finish my 5th cancer treatment plan in a row and need to reward myself!

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I wish I could join you in satisfying VAS.

It looks like Buzz Danklin is back. He posted a review of the Prima at vaporizerwizard.com. You may want to take a look. It seems that the big time reviewers rate the Mighty/Crafty higher than the Prima.

I keep looking for the Mighty/Crafty killer, and it doesn't look like the Prima is it but it sounds like a real contender. Performance aside, the Crafty (and to a lesser extent, the Mighty) have been having some production issues that folks have been talking about on the threads here. The Prima is too new, but I haven't read about many production issues with it.

Personally, I'd get the Mighty or Crafty now and start saving to add the Prima next... But what do I know. I haven't tried the Prima yet.

Mr. Me2 said:

I wish I could join you in satisfying VAS.

It looks like Buzz Danklin is back. He posted a review of the Prima at vaporizerwizard.com. You may want to take a look. It seems that the big time reviewers rate the Mighty/Crafty higher than the Prima.

I keep looking for the Mighty/Crafty killer, and it doesn't look like the Prima is it but it sounds like a real contender. Performance aside, the Crafty (and to a lesser extent, the Mighty) have been having some production issues that folks have been talking about on the threads here. The Prima is too new, but I haven't read about many production issues with it.

Personally, I'd get the Mighty or Crafty now and start saving to add the Prima next... But what do I know. I haven't tried the Prima yet.

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I can't seem to load Buzz's Prima review. In fact, his whole site loads like a "root menu" atm, and the Prima link doesn't work...
I'll post a review of my Prima later today. Kinda curious about Buzz's impression first.
I have to say though: the vapor IS better than Pax. By far. It's cooler, more flavorful, etc.
I love that it comes apart to clean, but I also don't like that it comes apart. (does that make sense?)
I feel that inevitably I will lose pieces parts along the way. I wish the form factor of the Pax allowed for the attributes that make the Prima superior, but Pax still has the form factor victory.
I can't speak to the Crafty and Mighty, but the Prima can be nearly completely palmed. When I'm out I hold it like people hold the Pax 2 with the flat mouthpiece. Prima is more discreet than Crafty and Mighty. It needs almost as much maintenance as my old Pax 1, but it's MUCH easier since it can be disassembled. I will likely order another battery so I can just swap when it dies.
Sorry for the TL/DR. I'll post a real review later today

I had trouble viewing Buzz's site on my iPad too. Uktimately, I just switched to landscape view and was able to read it. But the site does need a tweak.

My initial reaction is lukewarm. Heat-up time crushes the Crafty. Less than 30 seconds to first temp and only a second or two to bump to the next temp.

It has a bit of a plastic taste on the first go-round but I can tell it will be tasty.

The fourth temp is definitely warmer than the Crafty but not uncomfortably so (not to Pinnacle Pro levels).

With the ESV, I do three draws at each temp setting and that kills the load. I tried the same thing with the Prima and, to my surprise, the ABV was still green-ish. I'll have to experiment more.

@tubasco, I know exactly what you mean about it coming apart. I'm a bit concerned that the cap that goes over the bowl could get too loose. Seems like it's nearly in danger of coming off too easily already.

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With the ESV, I do three draws at each temp setting and that kills the load. I tried the same thing with the Prima and, to my surprise, the ABV was still green-ish. I'll have to experiment more.

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Again, being on demand convection vs session conduction, this doesn't surprise me at all...

Nice to have some more feedback in here!

Mr Mellish said:

t has a bit of a plastic taste on the first go-round but I can tell it will be tasty.

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I ran it on high, empty, to off gas it as much as possible.. maybe 4 or 5 full cycles. That pretty much got rid of the rubbery factory smell/taste.
One thing of note is that the Prima is definitely NOT "session conduction." It is, I would guess, about 60/40 conduction/convection.
I put a nug in not shredded, and it vaporized through and through. The design is such that the entire OUTSIDE of the bowl gets hot, and the airflow passes by that before going into the bowl. There is a hotplate at the bottom of the bowl, but I've found that using the concentrate pad diffuses the heat somewhat, so there is less conduction happening.
I am seriously pleasantly surprised by this vape.

Mr Mellish said:

I'm a bit concerned that the cap that goes over the bowl could get too loose.

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I'm less concerned about that cap. It's held on by 2 neodymium magnets. As long as those are kept clean it's not going anywhere (unless you pull the unit out of a pocket/case BY the cap, that is).
I'm more concerned with the mouthpiece that seems to depend on a plastic notch fitting into a plastic groove to stay in place. I think it will inevitably wear down.
My biggest gripe is the screen that is in the endcap, above the bowl. I understand it's function: keeps particles from flying into your mouth. BUT it gets clogged after 1 or 2 bowls. Maybe because my material is dry atm? I bought a Santa Cruz shredder because it seems to work better for convection style vapes, but when my material is really dry it gets pulverized anyway... so the powder heats up, and flies up into that screen. Concentrates seem to clog it even faster (for obvious reasons).
BUT all that being said, 3 of us hit a fully packed bowl (concentrate pad, very tiny bit of concentrate & topped with ground herb) the other night and were destroyed before we played our set. It was DE-LICIOUS! Everyone who's tried my Prima is impressed with how it works... they're not the ones performing maintenance though, lol.
OK, FULL review later, haha... sorry to ramble!

@tubasco , do you think a domed screen at the bottom of the oven would work better than the pad? I didn't like using the pad as a spacer in the Crafty.

Shit Snacks said:

Again, being on demand convection vs session conduction, this doesn't surprise me at all...

Nice to have some more feedback in here!

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Isn't Crafty more like the Prima? I would never get that many draws out of a Crafty either. Will have to experiment more later.

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@tubasco , do you think a domed screen at the bottom of the oven would work better than the pad? I didn't like using the pad as a spacer in the Crafty.

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I can't speak for how it works in the Crafty, but I personally found ZERO draw resistance difference in the prima between using it with the pad and without. I read at least one "review" that stated otherwise, but in my personal experience there is no draw difference. I think it's due to the unique (i think it's unique, anyway) airflow. I truly believe the Prima is more dependent on convection (especially with the pad lifting material away from the hot plate) than people give it credit for.

tubasco said:

I can't speak for how it works in the Crafty, but I personally found ZERO draw resistance difference in the prima between using it with the pad and without. I read at least one "review" that stated otherwise, but in my personal experience there is no draw difference. I think it's due to the unique (i think it's unique, anyway) airflow. I truly believe the Prima is more dependent on convection (especially with the pad lifting material away from the hot plate) than people give it credit for.

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For me the pad was less about restricting airflow and more that it started pulling apart and got gunked up. I find using an extra screen in the Crafty (turned into a dome) to be cleaner. I was hoping that would work in the Prima too

Mr. Me2 said:

For me the pad was less about restricting airflow and more that it started pulling apart and got gunned up. I find using an extra screen in the Crafty (turned into a dome) to be cleaner. I was hoping that would work in the Prima too

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interesting. I'll try it out. I think a domed screen may allow better results at a lower temp, if anything. I feel like the pad allows the bowl to become more convection than conduction by moving the material away from the heat plate. A screen will transfer heat faster i think. The pad seems to diffuse the conduction heat a bit.
Yes, the pad does start to come apart a little bit, but they send a few in the box... and i think they're relatively cheap to reorder. I'm loving using a tiny piece of shatter on the pad and then topping that with herbs. So tasty!

tubasco said:

I can't speak for how it works in the Crafty, but I personally found ZERO draw resistance difference in the prima between using it with the pad and without. I read at least one "review" that stated otherwise, but in my personal experience there is no draw difference. I think it's due to the unique (i think it's unique, anyway) airflow. I truly believe the Prima is more dependent on convection (especially with the pad lifting material away from the hot plate) than people give it credit for.

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I've never liked using a pad with the Crafty...it just seemed to make the vapor hotter and sharper tasting. Perhaps I'll try the Prima without.

Do you guys pack full bowls or half bowls? Is this a weed hog?

If you pack small bowls do you place a screen on top of your load like people have done with the Crafty?

ginolicious said:

Do you guys pack full bowls or half bowls? Is this a weed hog?

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How is the draw resistance affected by these methods, if at all?

.. Being session+conduction:
if you take some draws and quit, do you waste material on a hot bowl?

Just received my unit with extra battery. Charged it up, loaded it up and put it on 3 out of 4 on power.. Three lights lit up. Took a hit and no vapor..... Put it on high 4/4 and tried a slow draw... Still no vapor... Am I doing something wrong? Or do I have a bad unit? I currently have a pak and Pax 2+ a crafty. Plenty of vapor. Help...

@gmaines did you pull out the cleaning brush from the mouthpiece? Can you feel the chamber getting warm?

smokey_da_vape said:

@gmaines did you pull out the cleaning brush from the mouthpiece? Can you feel the chamber getting warm?

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Chamber gets warm. Brush was removed..

Ok, so I got a Vapir Prima because a very friend of mine made me an offer I could not resist: he ordered one for me, and I'll pay him back in installments.

As you all know from my posts, I hadn't bought any new vapes after falling in love with the vapman, especially since battery vapes have let me down many times before.

My main gripe was that I really did not like having to worry about charging batteries. Leaving the most on the charger so they're always ready and I would just never buy any electronic gadget that doesn't allow me to remove and replace its battery.

So I looked at the Prima that my buddy was enticing me with and decided what the hell. It does have a removable battery, it's made of aluminum, not all plastic, and seemed sleek and small enough...

So here are my thoughts on it:

- profesional looking build - check
- nice stealth black color - check
- removable battery - check
- battery craddle/charger - check
- very fast heat up time - check
- nice ergonomic form factor - check
- good reviews - check

I've only had it for 2 days but i have already tried it and like it.

I'm very happy with all the points listed above, but here are some gripes...

- unit can get pretty hot. It comes with a bowl condom that you can add to the end cap that covers the bowl, but the whole body and mouthpiece can get pretty hot if you go over the aylutomatic session shutoff time.

- I'm used to the tiny vapman bowl which always gives me the right effect, so Prima's bowl was huge to me. If I load it with the same amount as a vapman Bowl, it doesn't even give me any visible vapor at all. I think it's because the herb particles go airborne when you draw.

I even added a second screen but this didn't help, so I had to use about double the material I would on the vapman just to get visible vapor. This is a very negative point for me because the last thing I want is to double my expenses on material...

- but the worse part for me, that I haven't seen anyone post here is the horrendous burnt plastic taste! I shit you not... I did three dry runs to try to get the I'd of the taste and after two more sessions, it still has that horrible burnt plastic taste! And I'm inhaling that shit into my lungs! WTF?

My buddy tells me that it will go away soon, but damn, this is nasty shit.

Other Plus points:

- I like the form factor a Lot.
- very good build quality
- it has almost Zero smell - less than the vapman
- it's almost instantly ready
- very easy to use - like sucking on a hot milk shake, but this is also a negativ, because I Love the ritual of using a vapman...
- it seems to hit a bit harder than the vapman, but I'm using more material, so that may be why...

I will post more after I've used it a bit more, but for now the burnt plastic taste is a huge turnoff for me. I guess ive been spoiled by vapman's natural materials, copper, gold and wood?

Anyone else get this or am I just a pussy?

Anyway, I'm so grateful to my good friend who got this for me! I will keep experimenting and report back.

@Mojo, I didn't do any burn-in and have only done three sessions with the thing...still tasting the plastic but I'm confident it will go away soon.

With that condom on, this thing looks like a crazy sci-fi vibrator.

I've experienced very little draw resistance (maybe very slightly more than the Crafty or the ESV). The lack of smell is a huge unexpected bonus for me... I had a friend's Pax 2 for a couple days and that thing reeks (I know you can put caps on it but she hasn't -- it smelled strong enough that I stored it in the garage).

When you did the VM amount in the Prima, did you get similar results/effects?

I didn't compare loads to the VM but it does seem to use a bit more than the ESV.

The new plastic taste does usually go away but if it smell/tastes like burnt plastic there is something not quite right.

Mr Mellish said:

@Mojo, I didn't do any burn-in and have only done three sessions with the thing...still tasting the plastic but I'm confident it will go away soon.

With that condom on, this thing looks like a crazy sci-fi vibrator.

I've experienced very little draw resistance (maybe very slightly more than the Crafty or the ESV). The lack of smell is a huge unexpected bonus for me... I had a friend's Pax 2 for a couple days and that thing reeks (I know you can put caps on it but she hasn't -- it smelled strong enough that I stored it in the garage).

When you did the VM amount in the Prima, did you get similar results/effects?

I didn't compare loads to the VM but it does seem to use a bit more than the ESV.

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The first session was exactly one vapman Bowl - loaded the vapman bowl and dumped it into the Prima.

I think it hit a bit harder. Even though I had zero visible vapor...

The second test was about twice that quantity so I can no longer compare.

@lookhigh, I may just not be used to it. It tastes like burnt plastic to me. @Mr Mellish can compare with some of his other Plastic Vapes.

M0J0 said:

@lookhigh, I may just not be used to it. It tastes like burnt plastic to me. @Mr Mellish can compare with some of his other Plastic Vapes.

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If I remember correctly, the Pinnacle Pro had a plastic taste to start out but it went away. I don't recall ever having a plastic taste with the Crafty. This is probably a more pronounced plastic taste than the PnP had but I don't think it tastes like burnt plastic.

big time plastic offgassing with both crafty and mighty....but gone quickly. If it was still there after a few burn offs i'd be a bit concerned.