Firewood Vaporizer

Madcap79

Madcap79

Jack of all trades, master of none.
I think the 'heating in intervals' means that when you draw, the unit dumps more power to the heater to try and keep up but then keeps running after your draw to get the heater back up to the specified temp range? It senses a drop in heat and turns on/up the juice? Fuck, I don't know. Haha.
 
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paytonpenn

Level 30 Nature/Healer
RUDE BOY said:
What's this heating in intervals thing all about? whats the timing of those intervals? I thought It was touted as working in the same manner as an ESV in that it heats when you take a hit, so what does the "It heats in intervals not actually because your drawing" even mean?
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Marc may clarify soon but since I am the one that mentioned it I will clarify what I said. Or attempt to make sense of it, sorry if its just redundant. The main point was that it wasn't heating based on your draw primarily because you drew and it doesn't care if you draw more because it will keep heating afterward for a specific time.

First I don't think I ever personally referenced that it worked like the ESV but since the "draw sense" feature was mentioned it was probably assumed to be like that. Its not. Either that or I don't fully know how the ESV works.

So Firewood needs an initial preheat before you can start vaping, normally this happens after you choose the temp and start the heater (seems some heaters are now starting automatically after the temp is chosen).
It takes about 5-15 seconds depending on your temp range (1-4) to get fully heated. (It can't get to the initial temp while you're inhaling from cold)
Once it reaches the range and doesn't detect a draw it slowly starts cooling down to a standby mode (10-20 before it starts cooling if no draws are further detected).

If it is already at temp range and you do draw, the draw sense technology will supply power to the heater to keep up with the temperature flucuations.

If it has already cooled down you'll need to do a "primer" puff to tell the Firewood to heat back up (3-8 seconds) so you can take another hit.

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Words are confusing guys, I try and reword things to be interpretted by a broad range of people but different generations and locations equal different prespectives.

Added an extra line of text that might be useful.
 
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Vapzilla

Vapzilla

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paytonpenn said:
The main point was that it wasn't heating based on your draw primarily because you drew and it doesn't care if you draw more because it will keep heating afterward for a specific time.

First I don't think I ever personally referenced that it worked like the ESV but since the "draw sense" feature was mentioned it was probably assumed to be like that. Its not. Either that or I don't fully know how the ESV works.
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Straight from their website:

New - Firewood 3!

Featuring:

Super Fast Heat Up Times - Coil Heats Up in 5 Seconds, Vapor in under 30 Seconds
Proprietary Draw Sense Technology - Automatically turns the heat on when you are drawing, off when not

To me that makes it sound that it works very much like the Elevape. The heater turns on, on a draw, and off when you stop drawing. That's the type a vaporizer it's advertised to be.
And if the heat stays on and continues to cook the load I believe we will have some conduction happening and material being wasted. But yet it's advertised as pure convection. (taste)?
Looking forward to hearing @firewood explain wtf's up!
 
Fat Freddy

Fat Freddy

FUCK CANCER TOO !
I purchased this unit a couple of week ago but haven't gotten around to using it yet ( I've been too busy acquiring vaporizers to use them it seems...you don't think that could be symptomatic of AVS
do you? Yeah, I didn't think so.) :shrug:

At any rate, I was going to follow these directions when I got around to cranking it up:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1024/9583/files/man.pdf?10797223450843551963

However, if some of you more experienced folks think the manual posted at the FW website doesn't quite cover all of its nuance, please do add your :2c: worth.

Gracias!
 
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Mr. Me2

Mr. Me2

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paytonpenn said:
If you guys have any requests for things you want to see in the next video I will gladly consider them. I was already planning on a one hit extraction with the D020-D.

I don't know the user on FC and since he hasn't posted the video yet... I will just leave it here.

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Do you have to select your temp each time you turn it on or does it remember your last temp?
 
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RUDE BOY

RUDE BOY

Space is the Place
Even though i'm not having great results yet @Vapezilla I don't see anyway for conduction in the v3, the herb capsule sits at a pretty decent enough height above the coil that it won't get to vaping temps unless your pulling the heat up through it when you hit it.

( be kinda like if you torch your lily but don't hit it, the heat source is there but heats not being drawn through your herb.)
 
IAmKrazy2

IAmKrazy2

Darth Vapor
Has anyone else had the unit switch from fibrate to a faint audible beep? It fixed itself after being turned off. Or the unit shutting down while you are trying to take a draw? These occurrences have me with an email out. Certainly don't seem right

Edit. Back to back to back sessions is where i get the most success and conduction then sure seems to be a factor when the unit is on for 10 minutes or whatever.
 
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KidFated.

KidFated.

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IAmKrazy2 said:
Has anyone else had the unit switch from fibrate to a faint audible beep? It fixed itself after being turned off. Or the unit shutting down while you are trying to take a draw? These occurrences have me with an email out. Certainly don't seem right

Edit. Back to back to back sessions is where i get the most success and conduction then sure seems to be a factor when the unit is on for 10 minutes or whatever.
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Conduction or a heatsoaked device ready to deliver hot air? Sorry if that sounds smartass-ish.
 
Vapzilla

Vapzilla

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RUDE BOY said:
Even though i'm not having great results yet @Vapezilla I don't see anyway for conduction in the v3, the herb capsule sits at a pretty decent enough height above the coil that it won't get to vaping temps unless your pulling the heat up through it when you hit it.

( be kinda like if you torch your lily but don't hit it, the heat source is there but heats not being drawn through your herb.)
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Okay, sounds like that makes good sense and well explained.
Would be very pleased without any conduction and waste shouldn't be a problem.
Now will just wait for Marc @firewood to explain the heater draw on/off function.
 
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paytonpenn

Level 30 Nature/Healer
Vapzilla said:
Super Fast Heat Up Times - Coil Heats Up in 5 Seconds, Vapor in under 30 Seconds
Proprietary Draw Sense Technology - Automatically turns the heat on when you are drawing, off when not

To me that makes it sound that it works very much like the Elevape. The heater turns on, on a draw, and off when you stop drawing. That's the type a vaporizer it's advertised to be.
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Yeah but it wouldn't make sense to compare it to the ESV if the coil heats up in 5 seconds but vapor is under 30 seconds. Heat up should be 1-3 seconds and vapor under 10 at the most if it truly was that similar to the ESV design. But a wall of words are totally open for your own interpretation.

Technically it does automatically turn on the heat when you draw and it stops when you're not. Although I've mentioned it, it can heat up in about 5 seconds after its already been heated and will continue to heat until its back at range which is why when you draw you'll see the coil glowing for about 5 seconds after before it starts cooling.

There isn't conduction happening, possibly with the older 2.1 method where the capsule sits on the heater, but all there is is radiative heat which is on all my convection vapes when I leave the bowl/stem in.
 
Vapzilla

Vapzilla

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The only reason I compare or find it similar to the EVS is they're the only two that I know of with draw sensor technology. Time wise I understand there's a difference. But when I read that it turns the heat on when you draw and off when not ( sounds similar to EVS) just really got wondering about how the heater could be on and glowing when it shouldn't have been.
Appreciate all the good info and am looking foward to getting one soon.
 
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firewood

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Manufacturer
Ok here is how the heater and draw sense work...

When you initially set the temp after turning it on, the heater will turn on right away and go to the set temp for 1 second. If no draw is detected, then the heater turns off until the heater temp drops down to an "idle" temp, which is below usable temps, but above room temp. If a draw is detected the heater will go back up to the set temp. If there is a continuous draw, it will keep the heater at the set temp during the draw and for 1 second after it stops, then go back to idle. If there is no draw for 100 seconds then the vape turns off.

Here is a test that anybody with a Firewood can do to see this:
- go to a dark area, not under any bright lights
- remove the mouthpiece and capsule
- turn the vape on
- after it does the initial battery indicator buzzes press the button 4 times to set heat level 4
- look closely into the heat chamber at the coil. In about 10 seconds (depends on battery level) after the vape buzzes your heat level choice back to you, you should be able to see the coil glow very dimly. You should also be able to feel some heat if you draw from the empty chamber.
- The coil will only glow for a second or two then go dark. After it glows then goes dark, blow into the air intake (right below the fw logo) to activate the heater. The coil should glow again within several seconds (depending on how long you wait from the previous glow)

This test shows the initial heat up, how each draw reactivates the heater, and how the heater turns off after reaching the set temp (with no further drawing).

If there is anybody having issues getting vapor who hasn't emailed me already, please try this test. If it doesn't go as expected then there is probably a defect and you should contact me.
 
Vape Dr.

Vape Dr.

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firewood said:
Ok here is how the heater and draw sense work...

When you initially set the temp after turning it on, the heater will turn on right away and go to the set temp for 1 second. If no draw is detected, then the heater turns off until the heater temp drops down to an "idle" temp, which is below usable temps, but above room temp. If a draw is detected the heater will go back up to the set temp. If there is a continuous draw, it will keep the heater at the set temp during the draw and for 1 second after it stops, then go back to idle. If there is no draw for 100 seconds then the vape turns off.

Here is a test that anybody with a Firewood can do to see this:
- go to a dark area, not under any bright lights
- remove the mouthpiece and capsule
- turn the vape on
- after it does the initial battery indicator buzzes press the button 4 times to set heat level 4
- look closely into the heat chamber at the coil. In about 10 seconds (depends on battery level) after the vape buzzes your heat level choice back to you, you should be able to see the coil glow very dimly. You should also be able to feel some heat if you draw from the empty chamber.
- The coil will only glow for a second or two then go dark. After it glows then goes dark, blow into the air intake (right below the fw logo) to activate the heater. The coil should glow again within several seconds (depending on how long you wait from the previous glow)

This test shows the initial heat up, how each draw reactivates the heater, and how the heater turns off after reaching the set temp (with no further drawing).

If there is anybody having issues getting vapor who hasn't emailed me already, please try this test. If it doesn't go as expected then there is probably a defect and you should contact me.
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So I received my FW3! Thank you Marc and thank you for your last post.:tup:

First impression......LOVE IT!:rockon:

The FW3 is so easy to use, I think people might be making it harder to use than it actually is. Marcs post is a spot on easy as hell tutorial. I had success from the very first time.
The FW3 is a superbly crafted convection vaporizer that is just plain simple. solid, and very well built.

My first go with the FW3 I packed the capsule (fluffy to the top, med grind, no packing) and fully charged the unit. The very first use with it was nothing short of stellar.

I started on temp 1. Did one "cigar puff", then did another but kept on drawing for about 8-10 seconds. First draw amazing taste and wispy vapor. Second draw, amazing taste and vapor! I took 6 draws on temp 1, then another 6 on temp 2 and I was floored!:D I find 8 seconds to be perfect for me.

The "primer puff" to activate the coil is only necessary when you turn the unit on. Each draw after is just taking a draw (no primer puff is necessary). I like the simple 1 button feature, it makes the FW3 very easy to use. It is also extremely efficient.

It has been a long time since a new vaporizer got me so excited to use. I'm still in the "honeymoon stage" with it but have been using it like crazy. The FW3 is a perfect example of K.I.S.S. (keep it simple stupid:cool:). The FW3 reminds me of my first dugout and I love that old school nostalgia of it! No fancy LED display or flashing lights. You use 1 button to turn it on, see battery level, set temps, and the 100 second auto off is absolutely fantastic too!

I am one happy camper so far with the FW3!:clap:

I am still in the testing phase, but will be sure to keep posting my progress as we get to know each other.:brow:

:science:
 
friedrich

friedrich

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My Firewood 3 continues to impress! I hope anyone with issues is getting them resolved.

I started using it with the mouthpiece partway out:
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It's a bit easier on my throat and still extracts plenty of vapor even though the capsule is further from the heater.

The slight bulge where the mouthpiece and capsule meet made a fair seal, but I just took another mouthpiece and, with much effort, slid the sleeve up so I could flip it over and attach the capsule on the o-ring end:
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Vape Dr.

Vape Dr.

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Since my last post I too slightly modified my FW3 and am getting even better results!
I agree the vapor is a bit on the warm side, but I think I figured it out.
Here is a picture of the stock FW3.


As you can see the glass sticks about an 1/8" past the silicone. I found the heat being transferred up the glass made the glass warm/hot which comes in contact with your lips.
I simply pushed the glass down the 1/8" into the silicone so it's just below being "flush" with the silcone like this


This made a significant difference for me. The draws are much cooler. I also did this so there is no worry if I use it in an 14mm female glass joint through water. I didn't want a chance of chipping the glass, now that the glass is below the silicone I have piece of mind.

This also dropped the chamber 1/8" closer to the coil which I feel works better at temp 1 & 2. The draws are cooler, denser, and my lips stay cooler as well (not that it got overly hot).

If I want even cooler draws I stick a silicone drip tip in the top and I can now pull for 14-15 seconds!:rockon:


I'm having a lot of fun with this guy!:nod:


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I am averaging 6 great draws on temp 1 and 6 great draws on temp 2. I could keep going but I'm literally only using about .10 -.15 in the chamber! I'm still getting great taste and vapor when I stop. I'm sure I could get 6 more draws if I wanted, we shall see! With the cooler draw I will try!:tup:

Amount of ABV used (after 12 great draws).
 
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Mr. Me2

Mr. Me2

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Vape Dr. said:
Since my last post I too slightly modified my FW3 and am getting even better results!
I agree the vapor is a bit on the warm side, but I think I figured it out.
Here is a picture of the stock FW3.


As you can see the glass sticks about an 1/8" past the silicone. I found the heat being transferred up the glass made the glass warm/hot which comes in contact with your lips.
I simply pushed the glass down the 1/8" into the silicone so it's just below being "flush" with the silcone like this


This made a significant difference for me. The draws are much cooler. I also did this so there is no worry if I use it in an 14mm female glass joint through water. I didn't want a chance of chipping the glass, now that the glass is below the silicone I have piece of mind.

This also dropped the chamber 1/8" closer to the coil which I feel works better at temp 1 & 2. The draws are cooler, denser, and my lips stay cooler as well (not that it got overly hot).

If I want even cooler draws I stick a silicone drip tip in the top and I can now pull for 14-15 seconds!:rockon:


I'm having a lot of fun with this guy!:nod:


***EDIT IN***
I am averaging 6 great draws on temp 1 and 6 great draws on temp 2. I could keep going but I'm literally only using about .10 -.15 in the chamber! I'm still getting great taste and vapor when I stop. I'm sure I could get 6 more draws if I wanted, we shall see! With the cooler draw I will try!:tup:

Amount of ABV used (after 12 great draws).
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Are you continuing to fill the capsules as you described? Does it work as well with partial loads? Or since its convection, this isn't a session vape and you can come back to it after a few pulls? Or do you need to finish a capsule after starting it?
 
IAmKrazy2

IAmKrazy2

Darth Vapor
I am continuing to work with Marc who has been excellent thus far. My device does pass the test posted in the thread above but i have got audible beeps on battery level 3 and 4 which isn't normal or could indicate a possible issue.

Still not able to get much for visual exhales or browned herb even on level 4. I will try some more testing right now but i will be straight forward and honest like i was to Marc. Either the issue is me, a defective unit, or a poor working vaporizer IMO. Not sure which it is, and i honestly want this thing to kock ass so i hope it is one of the first two.

Again, customer service has been with me the whole way, and i must recognize this is a very small bowl... but my results seem to vary greatly from those who are smitten at the moment.
 
friedrich

friedrich

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IAmKrazy2 said:
Still not able to get much for visual exhales or browned herb even on level 4. I will try some more testing right now but i will be straight forward and honest like i was to Marc. Either the issue is me, a defective unit, or a poor working vaporizer IMO. Not sure which it is, and i honestly want this thing to kock ass so i hope it is one of the first two.
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Yeah, something has to be wrong... on level 1 it takes a few draws, but I get visible vapor; and astonishing clouds start coming easily on 3 and 4 :ko:

Edit:
that's with mouthpiece fully inserted, loaded lightly with ground bud (usually around 0.05g I guess?) and still using an e-nano screen (blackened by torching)
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Vape Dr.

Vape Dr.

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So now I have been testing the FW3 with 1/4, 1/2, 3/4, and a full capsule.

The FW3 works incredibly whether you just put a pinch in for yourself or fill up the capsule for a group session. The capsule holds roughly between .05 and .15 grams. The ABV is also always very nice and uniform no matter the amount used.

As @friedrich said, this unit continues to impress.

I am having no trouble getting great taste and vapor on temps 1. On temp 1 the more draws I take the more vapor I get.

@IAmKrazy2 The FW3 is a great unit. I hope you get a new one soon, you are sure to enjoy it.

So far so good, very good. :)
 
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paytonpenn

Level 30 Nature/Healer
I can confirm that the battery packs also charge the Firewood.
I left mine at the three buzz low battery mode last night and I awoke with it at 75 percent this morning still connected to the battery pack. Its an even slower charge but it does it. You may want to be cautious about inadvertently wasting battery pack.

I will say the battery packs had some inconsistencies. One screw had no crevices to actually insert a screwdriver. Two of the doors were a tight fit. One of the on/off switches is too deep so you need a tool to slide it.

I am using Sunlabz 2600 for two packs and Powerex 2700s for another.
 
nosmoking

nosmoking

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paytonpenn said:
I can confirm that the battery packs also charge the Firewood.
I left mine at the three buzz low battery mode last night and I awoke with it at 75 percent this morning still connected to the battery pack. Its an even slower charge but it does it. You may want to be cautious about inadvertently wasting battery pack.

I will say the battery packs had some inconsistencies. One screw had no crevices to actually insert a screwdriver. Two of the doors were a tight fit. One of the on/off switches is too deep so you need a tool to slide it.

I am using Sunlabz 2600 for two packs and Powerex 2700s for another.
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Thanks for this input. I got two of those battery packs. I like how they are about the same width and thickness of the Firewood. One could easily tie a rubberband around the two to keep them together I would think. I'm assuming it makes the Firewood twice as heavy also.

I was going to get the same Eneloop batteries that are in the device to power the battery packs as they retain their life better than other batteries do when not used for long periods of time. Do you notice any differences using the Sunlabz or Powerex?

Madcap79 said:
VAS is growing......Must resist a little longer.....haha.
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Just give in already...you won't be sorry...that's for sure!
 
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